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00:00The Vocal Duo of the Year goes to...
00:02♪♪
00:06-♪♪
00:08-♪♪ Don't get down and wish upon a star ♪♪
00:12Hi, guys. I'm here with the CMAs.
00:14I got invited to present an award.
00:17Taylor, right here.
00:18Taylor, right here.
00:19Taylor, one more time. Look right here.
00:20And onto the red carpet, the girl.
00:22I'm like, I'm so sorry. I'm so nervous.
00:24She's like, we are so excited you're here.
00:26I was just in shock. I'm like, how?
00:27Why? Of all people, like, Luke Bryan's, like,
00:29right next to me, and it was just insane.
00:31It was the coolest experience.
00:33♪♪
00:35Taylor, what do you think about our show,
00:37The Secret Lives of Country Music Wives?
00:40I love it. What could possibly go wrong?
00:43♪♪
00:45I posted about my CMAs.
00:47Not a single one of my friends from MomTalk
00:49said a single thing about it or commented.
00:51To hear nothing, like, what the fuck?
00:54I just had never seen such silence on a post.
00:58After Friendsgiving, I thought we were good,
01:00but I have noticed claws are always out recently.
01:04I do not think that MomTalk is living up to
01:07the supportive outlet that I thought we all had.
01:11So I feel like I have every right to speak my feelings.
01:15I'm going to defend myself against all of them
01:17if I have to.
01:19We have some new MomTalk drama.
01:21It was awkward that every single one of my friends
01:24was silent. I remember seeing her, like, post
01:27no one was supporting me.
01:29And then they're all responding, being like,
01:30are you crazy? Like, we definitely did.
01:32They're posting screenshots. They're posting, like...
01:34Screenshots.
01:35I mean, it's, like, this whole thing.
01:37The MomTalk feud has now officially reached
01:39a new level of insanity
01:41because Demi has now gone off the rails.
01:44Demi said, Macy, please, let's not feed
01:46the extremely large ego you don't need her baby,
01:49contrary to what she tries to make us all believe.
01:52The women are fighting each other in the comments
01:54of a post that was posted by the official
01:57Secret Lives of MormonWives social media page.
02:00MomTalk. Oh, my God, MormonWives.
02:02Will it survive?
02:04Come ye saints and come ye sinners
02:08Alleluia
02:12Listen up
02:14I'm the one you've been dreaming of
02:18I got everything you could ever want
02:22Try me and you'll see
02:24I'll bring you to your knees
02:26Baby, you're gonna believe
02:28Make us not into temptation
02:32Make us not into temptation
02:36Temptation
02:48I'm so tired of going back and forth
02:50I'm so tired of going back and forth
02:52I'm so tired of going back and forth
02:54Hello. Welcome.
02:56Smells so good. It smells like Christmas.
02:58Yeah, it does smell like Christmas.
03:00Cute.
03:02Welcome. Smells so good in here.
03:04Do you guys want some hot cocoa?
03:06Yes.
03:08Taylor posting on her story about how none of us
03:10supported her on her CMAs post is crazy.
03:12Like, did we not all just have, like,
03:14a kumbaya moment at Friendsgiving?
03:16It seems to be a running pattern
03:18that wherever Taylor is, chaos follows.
03:20Guys, what the hell?
03:22What the hell?
03:24What's going on?
03:26When I first saw her story, I thought it was a joke.
03:28I thought it was, like, a satire, like, funny thing.
03:30Because I'm like, why wouldn't you, like,
03:32message us in the group chat being like,
03:34hey, like, did you not see the post?
03:36Or, like, I don't know. It just felt weird.
03:38This whole situation is very confusing,
03:40I feel like, for all of us, because we were just
03:42rallying around Taylor at Friendsgiving,
03:44and so I genuinely thought it was a joke.
03:46But at the same time, I was like,
03:48hmm, after seeing more stories, I don't think this is a joke.
03:50There was a lot of backlash
03:52online of people being like, you're a fake friend to Taylor.
03:54You don't even support her, blah, blah, blah.
03:56I'm like, I know for a fact I texted her
03:58the day of CMAs being like, hey, I'm so proud of you,
04:00love you, you're gonna kill it.
04:02So her being upset about us
04:04not commenting on her post is definitely
04:06throwing us all through a loop.
04:08I saw her post. I was literally
04:10at a date with Jacob, so I liked it.
04:12And I was like, oh, maybe I'll comment later, but I forgot.
04:14Like, it had been 23 hours.
04:16I hadn't even seen the post, and to be honest,
04:18I'm like, she doesn't message us back for five days,
04:20so maybe give it five days and not 24 hours.
04:22That's what I said to her.
04:24I genuinely did not see the post.
04:26I was out with my family Friday night.
04:28I don't think she's commented on my last few posts.
04:30I keep tallies of who's commenting and who's not.
04:32I feel like that's weird.
04:34I feel like she makes these posts without thinking a lot of the time.
04:36Like, even with the Swinger stuff, she did post things,
04:38and she's like, oh, I didn't think about it before I posted it.
04:40Taylor hides behind her page
04:42being mostly satire,
04:44and I think it's bullshit.
04:46You can't say whatever the hell you want,
04:48post whatever you want,
04:50and then make a joke that hurts somebody,
04:52and then not expect people to react,
04:54and then not expect consequences.
04:56It's not okay.
04:58At this point, I truly view Taylor
05:00as a liability to MomTalk,
05:02and I just think she's a loose cannon.
05:04From going on a live stream
05:06and throwing everyone under the bus for the Swinging scandal
05:08to going on about the CMAs
05:10and trying to make everyone look bad,
05:12although I feel like Taylor is kind of viewed
05:14as the leader,
05:16to me, I don't think she is qualified in any way,
05:18and honestly hasn't been
05:20throughout the entirety of MomTalk.
05:22She wanted everyone to feel the hurt
05:24that she felt, so now all her minions
05:26go out, and they go, and they comment
05:28on all of our shit, and they're like, you're a terrible friend,
05:30this is why she hasn't been coming around,
05:32you're all bullies, you don't invite her,
05:34and what are we gonna do?
05:36Too much water?
05:38It tastes like dirt.
05:40It's too healthy. You're expecting a yummy hot chocolate?
05:42That's not what it is.
05:44And it tastes like tree bark.
05:46But, yeah.
05:48Like, it's so dumb. That's the thing,
05:50I feel like it doesn't affect me, because I'm like,
05:52I know it's not true.
05:54We're getting thousands of comments and DMs
05:56telling us that we're mean girls and we're bad friends,
05:58and that was frustrating, considering
06:00how much energy
06:02I have put into Taylor and our friendship.
06:04I message her multiple times a week,
06:06I try to send her cookies and dinners
06:08and Starbucks and coffee,
06:10and then for her to go on publicly and blast it
06:12to her four million followers,
06:14it feels unwarranted and very unfair.
06:16She hyperfixates on one problem.
06:18She does it with her relationship with Dakota, right?
06:20But, like, in this situation,
06:22she's hyperfixated on the social media
06:24aspect of it all. Like, she's not really listening
06:26to the other parts, like, points that you're making,
06:28and it's like, social media, social media,
06:30it's like she can't get that out of her brain.
06:32Like, no matter how many times that's said to her,
06:34she doesn't really see it.
06:36Whatever you want to call it, narcissism,
06:38a disconnect in the brain,
06:40not fully matured, there is
06:42something going on, and I'm so sick
06:44of the narrative of, everyone else
06:46is doing this, when Taylor's ruining her own
06:48goddamn life. Every single problem
06:50that's been brought into her life has been because of her.
06:52And somehow, we're all being villainized now,
06:54and she's willing to throw us all under the bus,
06:56and we're supposed to now bow down
06:58to the leader who brought us this opportunity,
07:00when we're getting treated like shit online
07:02and in public. I want to hear what she's thinking.
07:04This drama couldn't have come at a
07:06worse time, because me and Jessie
07:08are hosting a party with Baby Mama and JT Styles
07:10next week. In the past,
07:12in MomTalk, it was Sinners vs. Saints.
07:14So that is the theme for the event.
07:16We are inviting MomTalk supporters, and so I feel like
07:18it's really important for all of us girls to kind of show
07:20a united front, and be friendly
07:22and cordial to each other.
07:24So, I want to sit down with Taylor,
07:26and kind of talk some sense into her.
07:28Anyways, I'm going to dump this out.
07:30It was great.
07:32I keep getting whiffs of it.
07:42And oranges!
07:48Hello! Hi!
07:50How's it going? Good, how are you?
07:52Good. Come on in.
07:54Bob the Builder's here.
07:56Yay! I've been needing help, so...
07:58Hi, my little little bug!
08:00Dakota's coming to grab him,
08:02so I'm just waiting on him. I'm going to pack him up.
08:04Hi!
08:06Okay, let's go.
08:08Hi!
08:10How are you? Good, how are you?
08:12What's up, porn staff?
08:14Do you like it?
08:16He will not go down, and he's been fussy, so...
08:18It's because he was excited to see us.
08:20Bye, buddy! I love you!
08:22With all the drama going on
08:24with MomTalk, it's been really hard
08:26to give Dakota an answer
08:28right now on his ultimatum.
08:30I just feel conflicted between
08:32walking and staying in
08:34this relationship where I know we're both toxic
08:36together. He's saying, like,
08:38if you can't give me 100% commitment,
08:40then I have to start moving on with my life, because we've been at this
08:42for two years, so... This decision has been
08:44weighing on me. I'm just trying to, like, think about
08:46whatever and what is
08:48best for all of us, but
08:50I don't know how single moms out there do it.
08:52I'm just grateful for my family.
08:54They have been a saving grace.
08:56I need to hear about all your
08:58so-called friends.
09:00Yeah. Come tell me.
09:02It's been a shit show. Not a single one of my friends
09:04said anything on my CMA post, which I thought,
09:06in my head, that's a big
09:08night for me. And I feel like
09:10it's just not normal for, like, not
09:12a single one to say anything. I feel like this is, like,
09:14a cool accomplishment. Like, I've never
09:16done something like this, and to hear nothing
09:18from my friends... This is our job.
09:20This is what we do. This is what we love. It's our
09:22passion. Yes, they did support me in
09:24other ways, like texting me, hey, good luck with the CMAs.
09:26How's the CMAs? Like, privately,
09:28some of them. But when it came
09:30to, like, publicly, not a single one
09:32said anything. And if my dad didn't see it, or someone
09:34that isn't on social media all the time,
09:36that makes sense to me. But
09:38in mom talk, that's, like, what we're
09:40about is supporting each other privately
09:42and publicly. I didn't,
09:44like, handle it how I probably should
09:46have, but in the moment, I was just frustrated, and I was like,
09:48I'll be petty too, and so I posted it. Demi was
09:50like, I guess we're supposed to bow down to Taylor.
09:52Like, she's the queen. Like, we missed one thing.
09:54Like, they were all freaking out
09:56about it, and coming at me. So I just
09:58felt very attacked. It was like a game of, like,
10:00basically me against
10:02all of them, I feel like. Oh, she's
10:04the one that I just seen the most.
10:06Oh, yeah. Demi made herself look
10:08like a fool, because she just, like, was
10:10bullying me. She wants to be Queen V.
10:12Demi
10:14went as far as calling me a narcissist,
10:16a manipulator, a gaslighter.
10:18I only tell half-truths to people.
10:20I twist things to make them look like they're one
10:22thing, but they're another. I'm calculated.
10:24Anything you can think of,
10:26she pretty much said on the internet.
10:28Anyone that bullied me, she, like, supported it, and then
10:30she kind of, like, fed into it a lot.
10:32This was from IG. Someone had commented,
10:34Taylor was a bad friend. She was only super
10:36nice because she was pregnant.
10:38Demi comments, ding, ding, ding.
10:40You can tell by some of the comments that Demi has
10:42written that she has never cared about her friendship
10:44with Taylor. Oh, sweetie. Honey
10:46girl. The other way around.
10:48She has never been a friend to me
10:50or anyone in the cast. All of her
10:52relationships are transactional.
10:54I don't know why it got to that.
10:56It's like, are you waiting for
10:58a weak moment of mine for
11:00my downfall? And I really think that's what it was.
11:02She saw a weak moment. Everyone's mad at Taylor.
11:04We're taking her down.
11:06Do you think that you deserve to
11:08go and have such an
11:10amazing event, though, at the
11:12CMAs? I don't know.
11:14When we were in first class and we were
11:16eating, I was wanting to
11:18cry. Really?
11:20Because I was like, why am I
11:22sitting here? Why? Is it becoming
11:24reality?
11:26No. It's like,
11:28why do I deserve to be here
11:30eating this food on first class? That's in my head.
11:32But why not? Why not you?
11:36Because the swinging scandal.
11:38Get over that.
11:40Because you know what? The
11:42entire family, we don't care
11:44about it. The only person that
11:46hasn't forgiven you is
11:48yourself.
11:50I never want you to feel like that you are
11:52trash or your daughter of God
11:54to be picked out of
11:56all these other reality stars,
11:58movie stars. On the red carpet,
12:00I got tears in my eyes because
12:02it's like, you've made it.
12:04My phone was blowing up like,
12:06oh my gosh, your daughter. And I'm like,
12:08it's freaking cool. You should have seen this.
12:10We're having like this freaking
12:12Super Bowl party.
12:14You ended up pulling yourself
12:16out of like that darkness.
12:18And I think that's exciting. That's something
12:20that you should like be proud of.
12:22I felt undeserving
12:24of that moment, actually.
12:26I don't actually deserve to be here
12:28and treated like this. It actually really makes me feel good.
12:30Like I don't feel good about myself.
12:32I already feel like trash because
12:34of swinging scandal. It's what I'm
12:36known for. But the other girls not
12:38commenting on my post, it made me question
12:40if I deserved it even more.
12:42It's like, if that's what you think of me,
12:44then that confirms
12:46what I think of me, you know?
12:48There's nothing in this world
12:50that would ever change the way that I feel
12:52about you. With Mom Talk,
12:54I look back at the times of where it started
12:56and hope for that again.
12:58But right now, I do feel like I don't
13:00know who actually is my friend. And that's
13:02what I need to figure out. You deserve
13:04all the happiness in this world.
13:06And you need to feel that.
13:08You need to feel that love.
13:28Do this.
13:30Curious to hear her perspective.
13:32I'll move to the back so that she can sit
13:34in the front so we can interrogate her. Oh no,
13:36not the interrogation. Taylor can
13:38be erratic sometimes
13:40and a lot of people in our group can
13:42actually, so it's not just her. But
13:44I feel like me and McKayla are her closest friends
13:46in Mom Talk and understand her more.
13:48Even though I don't think Taylor had bad
13:50intentions towards us, like this is a
13:52situation that I feel like I can't be on her side with.
13:54I don't feel like I'm all the way on Demi's side
13:56because it's a bit strong. I feel like I'm still
13:58kind of in the middle, but I'm like, Taylor, you're wrong
14:00in this situation. Hello. Hello.
14:02Look who it is.
14:04Making an appearance.
14:06Not the kid toy. Oh, I actually like that.
14:08She's like, it's my anxiety toy when I get anxious.
14:18I need to get a quesadilla.
14:20I'm so hungry. I could die.
14:22Can I do a 12 ounce hot chocolate with hazelnut?
14:24Make that two. Two of those.
14:26You want one?
14:28Thank you. You too.
14:30This is good as hell.
14:32This is so good. You want to try it?
14:34Oh yeah. It's like a chocolate shake.
14:36No, it's like, it's like a milkshake.
14:38So how is everybody feeling?
14:40I feel fine.
14:42I bet you do.
14:44So I'm sorry
14:46that I feel fine.
14:48I would do it again.
14:50Why though? Because
14:52that's how I felt.
14:54Everyone saw my story that day
14:56and no one said a thing.
14:58That to me is telling. The silence was loud.
15:00Any one of you would think
15:02the exact same thing. I don't care what you guys say.
15:04There's no way that 8 out of 8 girls
15:06were not on their phones for 24 hours and didn't see it.
15:08I think it's safe to say that.
15:10It's such an isolated event
15:12of just like one post that people didn't
15:14comment on that one time
15:16and then to publicly go out and be like, hey,
15:18basically, no matter how you worded it,
15:20made us look like bad friends.
15:22And then we're getting comments saying,
15:24oh, well you guys are mean girls because you don't support your friends.
15:26Well, that's not true because we're texting her,
15:28we're DMing her, we're going out of our way
15:30to see how she's doing. So people don't know the whole story
15:32that a good amount of people
15:34reached out to you. But then I explained,
15:36I literally was just like, I think
15:38a lot of these girls are supportive.
15:40I was just taken back by the fact that
15:42not a single one said a word
15:44and I thought it was weird. That's it.
15:46I know, but I think the aspect that I'm confused about is
15:48does it matter if it's online or does it matter
15:50if it's in our real life?
15:52Because I'm like,
15:54we've had those conversations.
15:56I think both it matters.
15:58For me, private support is way more important than
16:00social media support when it comes to
16:02my friendships and the genuine
16:04friendships that I care about.
16:06I'd much rather have a close circle
16:08of the people that actually know me behind the scenes
16:10and have that support. But I feel like
16:12Taylor's the complete opposite and I'd rather
16:14be going online and getting it from strangers
16:16on the internet. Whatever's going on
16:18online doesn't matter because it's also
16:20like you have to separate the two. This is still
16:22your real life and your real friendships that are being
16:24hurt as well.
16:26Were you annoyed or hurt? Well, it annoyed me.
16:28It definitely hurt some people.
16:30Did it hurt you guys?
16:32No, but it's also telling to me like,
16:34oh damn.
16:36How quick it was to throw us all
16:38under the bus with no context,
16:40no warning. Okay, so next time I'll just send you
16:42a warning of what I'm going to post.
16:44Well, not necessarily.
16:46Are you listening to anything we're saying?
16:48Yeah. I honestly don't think you guys
16:50thought it was that deep just like me.
16:52Even if I was like, yeah, it was petty, it was funny.
16:54If I saw that it was hurting people,
16:56I would still be like, you know what, I am sorry
16:58that I did that. Like I can still feel
17:00empathy for people that I've hurt.
17:02My CMA post, I felt
17:04my feelings were valid. That's how I felt.
17:06I was petty and I posted it. That was my bad.
17:08End of story. But
17:10listening to what Mikaela is saying and hearing
17:12that they were bullied online, I am
17:14sorry that that is happening.
17:16I know I'm going to see everyone at the
17:18sinners party and before that, me and Laila
17:20are going to New York for a brand trip.
17:22So maybe I should apologize for
17:24being petty about the post. Just hone on
17:26to your empath side, you know?
17:28We're in the wrong of posting
17:30it and grouping everybody in.
17:32You know? I know, I agree that
17:34you feel that way.
17:36Shut up.
17:38Sorry if I didn't say what you guys wanted to hear.
17:40I want you to actually feel it.
17:42Okay. In coming from a place that
17:44I do feel bad. Maybe I just
17:46need to go home and think. Love you guys.
17:48I know you don't love me, but
17:50it's fine. No one said that.
18:02Oh goodness.
18:04Thank you so much.
18:06We're here.
18:08I feel like things are a little contentious
18:10still in mom talk, but today
18:12I'm forgetting all that because Jacob and I are in
18:14San Diego to do a frozen embryo transfer.
18:16I've been on hormones for a long time.
18:18Going through IVF under the radar.
18:20None of the girls know. Hi, how are you?
18:22I want to avoid those questions
18:24where it's like, oh, did you transfer? Are you pregnant?
18:26It's like so many questions that get overwhelming when you're
18:28going through IVF. We're like 30 minutes behind.
18:30Okay, left side.
18:32Give me a three, two, one.
18:34Three, two, one.
18:36Okay, that's not too bad.
18:38It is a very personal journey,
18:40so we decided to keep it private.
18:42Oh, I see.
18:44Oh, there it is.
18:52Yeah.
18:54So the dot is the air bubble
18:56that identifies where the embryo is placed.
18:58The embryo is
19:00right in there.
19:02Oh, crazy.
19:04Thank you so much.
19:06I have never heard the church having a stance
19:08on IVF, and if anything, I think
19:10they're happy because the more babies,
19:12the better. Mormons have a lot of kids,
19:14so I think it's something that they would never discourage.
19:16This is the start of
19:18a new life.
19:36Just having Carlos, like, brought so much joy.
19:38And then now
19:40thinking about, like, another one.
19:42Another baby.
19:44It's a lot.
19:46Aw, you're so excited, baby.
19:48Yeah.
19:54I love you. I love you.
19:56Thanks for being the best, most supportive.
19:58Of course.
20:00I'm not gonna lie, I feel like
20:02my life is going really good right now.
20:04However, I am worried for
20:06this Saints and Sinners party.
20:08It's coming up, and it's gonna be the first time
20:10we're all gonna be together since the CMA drama.
20:12When they're mad,
20:14both Demi and Taylor can fight really dirty.
20:16And I just feel like, in my soul,
20:18that it's gonna be
20:20brutal. But I'm really trying
20:22to focus on staying stress-free
20:24because this IVF transfer is what matters
20:26the most to us right now.
20:28Are you excited?
20:30Yes.
20:36New York City, uh
20:38New York City, uh
20:40Stacking all my paper
20:42paper, shout out to my haters
20:44New York City, uh
20:46New York City, uh
20:48Tonight is Macy and Jesse's
20:50Saints and Sinners party, but today
20:52me and Taylor are in New York City to work on a really
20:54fun brand deal.
20:56How are you? Good to see you.
20:58And we're going to shoot a commercial for them
21:00and shoot some billboard pictures for them that'll be in
21:02Times Square.
21:04It's super fun.
21:06I'm so happy that opportunities like this
21:08come from being on MomTalk.
21:10Alright, next look.
21:12How do you think it's gonna go tonight?
21:14Horrible. It's a bloodbath, for sure.
21:16I'm scared for you, to be honest.
21:18After hearing what Macy and Mikayla
21:20said, then I started to feel bad,
21:22so I decided to make an apology
21:24text.
21:30Immediately after I sent my apology text,
21:32immediately after I sent my apology,
21:34Demi sends a chapter book
21:36of how she does not accept
21:38my apology and goes on to say why.
21:46The group message ended up in a
21:48war zone, honestly, because Demi,
21:50she's still going off, and I'm like
21:52Kay, the girl needs to let it go.
21:54Like, what do you want me to do?
22:03I think she wants me to
22:05kiss her feet. Not happening,
22:07so let's move on.
22:09You posted the thing, but it was one single
22:11story, and it blew up into something that,
22:13in my opinion, I don't think it needed to go to.
22:15Thank you. Zoom in on that.
22:17I don't know.
22:19I think
22:21there's parts of it that
22:23Demi is valid in, but the level
22:25that she's taking it to online, I think that's where I
22:27like, that's where I draw the line.
22:29Initially, I was freaking mad at Taylor, but
22:31she apologized in the group chat,
22:33and I feel like she does feel bad, so
22:35I'm gonna let it go and kind of move past it.
22:37I would normally be more loyal to
22:39Demi. I do have a closer relationship with
22:41Demi than Taylor, but in this situation,
22:43I do feel like Demi took it too far. I feel
22:45like she was approaching the level of bullying,
22:47so kind of fucked up
22:49on Demi's part. Speaking of
22:51Demi, before we came here,
22:53she texted me, and she asked me
22:55how much I was making on this brand deal.
22:57And I didn't
22:59text her back, because I just feel like
23:01we all kind of learned our lesson with
23:03Demi, that when it comes to money, you don't
23:05bring it up, because she doesn't handle
23:07money really well.
23:09I definitely do think that Demi is
23:11a little power hungry. I think
23:13after seeing how well this last
23:15experience went for her, and how much
23:17love she got online, and how
23:19she was definitely a fan favorite,
23:21I think it kind of went to her head.
23:23You think you deserve the biggest brand deal.
23:25I'm curious to why you think you deserve that.
23:27It's not a shock that I was a fan favorite.
23:29I feel like I'm an asset. I should fight for more.
23:31She kind of wants to be
23:33the forefront and center of things,
23:35so I definitely think she took it to heart
23:37when Taylor was asked to do the Seamaze,
23:39and she wasn't. But I just think that
23:41we need to celebrate each other's wins in this
23:43group. There's going to be opportunities that some of us
23:45get, that some of us don't get. And if we
23:47harp, and we focus on every single thing that we're
23:49not getting, this is just going to be so
23:51toxic, and just not a healthy
23:53environment to be in, so I really think she needs to get
23:55over herself with that.
23:57Demi says
23:59an atomic bomb is coming for me.
24:01I cannot.
24:03She's like an atomic bomb. Taylor's
24:05so scared. She's shaking in her boots right now.
24:07Yeah, sweaty palms. Sweaty palms.
24:09I feel like
24:11honestly, not validating what you
24:13did, but like... I mean, it's very
24:15on brand for you. Thank you.
24:17Okay, well, I'll see if you keep that
24:19same energy tonight when I'm being attacked.
24:21What do you mean?
24:23When I'm being attacked. Oh, I'm going to stand up
24:25for you. I want to hear you say that. I will.
24:27I am
24:29dreading to come back
24:31to the Saints and Sinners party because
24:33I just know I'm going to be
24:35in the hot seat.
24:37But I do want to go support Macy
24:39and Jessie in this. Demi
24:41in the group message said, you're bringing
24:43a BB gun to an atomic bomb that's coming
24:45for you. Basically trying to scare me
24:47to not go, or like, I should
24:49be afraid, but I'm going in there.
24:51I'm not afraid, and if anything, that fueled me more.
25:05We are eight days post-transfer,
25:07and we decided we're going to take
25:09a little pregnancy test.
25:11I'm scared.
25:13Three, two, one.
25:15Wait.
25:17Put it to the camera. I can't see it.
25:19Okay.
25:25Oh my gosh.
25:31I'm so excited.
25:37I love you so much.
25:39I love you too.
25:41We're so excited. We're
25:43pregnant, and honestly, we couldn't
25:45be happier after all the sacrifice
25:47being on hormones for months.
25:49And in three weeks,
25:51it should have a heartbeat. So we're not
25:53out of the woods yet. It's still scary, but it's exciting.
25:55It's exciting.
25:57I'm so excited.
25:59Can you believe it? I'm pregnant.
26:01That's crazy. Oh my gosh.
26:05I think the hardest part of this journey,
26:07though, is going to be keeping it a secret from all my
26:09nosy little friends. I love you.
26:11It's really hard
26:13to keep a secret because I'm excited.
26:15I don't know how I'm going to do it, especially because I feel
26:17like the group prize, they can read things
26:19pretty well, but I'm going to have to
26:21hide it a little bit longer.
26:23This is my cute
26:25little baby mama.
26:27This beat
26:29really make me move.
26:31Everybody on the dance floor groove.
26:33All my friends looking at me like, ooh,
26:35she got that step or two.
26:37Yeah, I'm feeling you, baby.
26:39This has been really nice.
26:41Just kind of like getting away from all the
26:43drama back home.
26:45Just being able to just kind of like
26:47just talk us to.
26:49I know you're close with Demi and Jessie.
26:51It's okay if you also
26:53don't agree with everything they're doing
26:55and you want to take a step back.
26:57I feel like my issue is that I let
26:59other people dictate
27:01how I feel about somebody.
27:03Because I was closer with Demi and Jessie at one point,
27:05they would tell me things about
27:07what you were doing or what Jen was doing
27:09and I would just take their side
27:11automatically because they're my friend.
27:13Demi is a very
27:15passionate person that goes very hard
27:17at somebody when they do her wrong
27:19in her eyes and she
27:21definitely pushes her
27:23narrative of how she feels on that person
27:25to everybody. She's done it to Jen,
27:27now she's doing it to Taylor. Looking back,
27:29I got sucked into her negative mindset
27:31towards Jen and now it seems like
27:33Demi wants us to choose between
27:35Taylor or her, which I think is
27:37a load of bullshit.
27:39But I also am terrified of Demi
27:41stressing me out. I'm breaking out
27:43because of it right now.
27:45Oh, I didn't know
27:47I'm praying a little harder
27:49It's a party out here
27:51It's a party out here
27:53But I try not to be a sinner
27:55You know I'm praying a little harder
27:59Hi!
28:01The Hog Rollers! How are you?
28:03Hi!
28:05Tonight is Saints and Sinners and
28:07things with mom talk right now have been
28:09super heavy. The whole Taylor incident
28:11kind of felt like a big slap in the face.
28:13I will always be that voice
28:15of like, hey, this is not okay
28:17and if you're going to act the way that you're acting,
28:19you're going to get called out. How are you doing?
28:21This has been so much
28:23Yeah, like
28:25more than I would like to admit
28:27I'm like embarrassed to admit
28:29how much time and energy this has
28:31Oh, I'm exhausted
28:33and I feel like this has triggered
28:35so much that I need to
28:37address. In that moment
28:39of you being so upset for
28:4122 hours when we have all had moments
28:43of being upset with Taylor and we haven't
28:45reacted, it just was like
28:47whoa. This drama that's
28:49going on is crazy. Taylor sent
28:51an apology text
28:53Demi got very heated and then it just turned
28:55into a whole shit show. I do think Demi
28:57can take it too far sometimes. Like
28:59when I found out about Demi like
29:01threatening a cease and desist against
29:03Jen, I was like shocked.
29:05Apparently Demi is going out of her way to get
29:07a cease and desist to try to keep
29:09Jen and other people from talking about it
29:11In this instance, I can
29:13see where she's coming from and why this is upsetting
29:15her so much because I know almost
29:17every single person in MomTalk did
29:19in fact reach out to Taylor and
29:21it's validating to have
29:23somebody see my perspective as to why
29:25I've always felt like Taylor doesn't know
29:27how to be your friend. It's so
29:29frustrating to like have the
29:31narratives be spun and things that are not
29:33true. Like when the swinging stuff
29:35came out, I had my stepkids coming home from school
29:37having people bully them being like, oh you're
29:39hot stepmom, like she swings, like tell her to
29:41call me. And then look how it
29:43continues to happen. It continues to
29:45happen. Yeah. I feel like again
29:47I have to walk on eggshells around you. Like
29:49that's not a friendship that
29:51I don't think anyone would want.
29:53Yep. Watching Taylor's
29:55behavior and seeing it kind of unfold
29:57on a personal level, I'm
29:59understanding a little bit more
30:01as to why Whitney kept her
30:03distance from her and why she had such strong
30:05opinions about her. How are you feeling about
30:07seeing Taylor tonight?
30:09Not good. Yeah. I already
30:11know that I'm in a
30:13triggered state. This
30:15has been the wildest switch up of all
30:17for me. Seeing Whitney's support
30:19but I really do think she is learning
30:21and growing. Whereas with Taylor, I think
30:23that she thinks that we're just going to be like,
30:25okay awesome, you started this so
30:27do whatever you want. And I think we're all
30:29kind of over that. Like you are not in a position
30:31of power. Sit down.
30:33I appreciate
30:35you seeing the full picture and like helping me
30:37through it. It means a lot.
30:41I
30:43value our
30:45friendship right now.
30:47So I'm going to give you
30:49my group chat that has
30:51me, Demi, Jessie, Macy, and Mikayla
30:53in it. If you want to read it.
30:55Talking behind each other's backs
30:57is kind of the opposite of what Mom Talks
30:59is supposed to stand for. So I want to show
31:01Taylor the group chat messages so that she
31:03can see what she's walking into
31:05tonight. Here it is.
31:07Kind of a lot. Okay.
31:09But I don't know. I don't think
31:11I said anything too harsh.
31:13No, thank you.
31:21The text thread that I'm reading
31:23is harsh because I'm
31:25pretty much being called anything you can
31:27think of in there.
31:29How dumb I am.
31:31Like did she not see like she's
31:33the problem. Now we see what
31:35Dakota deals with. Yeah, it's
31:37sad to see. This is like mean girl behavior.
31:39Like it's gross behavior.
31:41It was a full on bully thread
31:43and it got worse because
31:45Demi is trying to get all the girls
31:47to go against me.
31:49I don't feel like those girls even
31:51realize Demi's true colors and
31:53especially Jessie. She's just a loyal
31:55friend to Demi, but there's more that
31:57I know about Demi that I could tell Jessie
31:59to kind of just be like, open your eyes.
32:01And they can think whatever they want about me, but I
32:03don't sit there and talk about
32:05Don't sit there and talk about my friends like that.
32:07They'll never see your suits like that from me.
32:09No.
32:11So, okay Demi, you have an atomic bomb
32:13coming for me? Bring it, cause I have one too.
32:35You made it!
32:37Look how good this looks.
32:39Look how amazing it is.
32:41I want to live here. Like it's perfect.
32:43And your outfit, all together.
32:45I know, you too. We're like the perfect opposites
32:47of each other.
32:49Tonight's the Saints and Sinners party.
32:51Macy and I are doing it as a combined
32:53business party for both of our companies.
32:55I have Jay-Z Styles. It's a hair care brand
32:57and Macy has Baby Mama, which is supplements
32:59and we thought it would be a good idea to
33:01do a little bit of both.
33:03Macy has Baby Mama, which is supplements
33:05and we thought it would be a really cool way to show
33:07that two women entrepreneurs can empower each other
33:09and also involve the community.
33:11I know it's going to be an incredible night
33:13for our businesses, but I also know that
33:15there's going to be drama.
33:17We haven't all been together in a room since
33:19the CMA's situation and I'm still
33:21very much upset with Taylor, so
33:23tensions are going to be high and this could be explosive.
33:25Oh, we need to do that TikTok.
33:27Okay.
33:33People like it?
33:35That's cute. Yeah, that's great.
33:37Oh, I love it.
33:45Wow.
33:47This is unreal.
33:51How do you think
33:53tonight's going to go? I just hope Taylor's
33:55accountable. I hope that she owns her stuff.
33:57There will be some accountability, but it won't be
33:59a full accountability, in my opinion.
34:01You look so cute.
34:03You tired? Yeah, I'm tired and I'm tired
34:05of trying to hide this pregnancy.
34:07You can't, you said that way too loud.
34:09I said it so quiet.
34:11No, people can read your lips right now.
34:13I'm tired. People can read your lips.
34:15I'm tired and I'm bloated. You're spilling the tea
34:17too soon. To you.
34:19Don't say anything. I'm not.
34:21No, hold on. Don't say anything.
34:23My boobs are still big. Jacob.
34:25You think this is my first rodeo?
34:27It looks like it. Oh my God.
34:29I'm fine, I'm fine. Look at us.
34:31You grind, I grind.
34:33Hi, how are you?
34:35Oh my gosh, look at you guys.
34:39Look at you.
34:41Are you a saint or a sinner?
34:43I can't decide. I'm both. You're both?
34:45Hi, nice to meet you.
34:47Alright you guys, we just wanted
34:49Oh, hello.
34:51Oh, here it goes.
34:53Hi you guys, we just wanted to welcome you
34:55to the Saints and Sinners party
34:57by Jay-Z Styles and Baby Mama.
35:03Thank you guys so much for coming. It means the
35:05world to us that you are here celebrating
35:07with us. We just want you guys to have fun
35:09tonight and also make sure you get some good photos
35:11to document the night.
35:13Thank you guys. We love you all.
35:27Hello! Thank you for coming.
35:29Hi, how was New York?
35:31It was good.
35:33Who do I feel like we're missing? Besides Taylor, obviously.
35:41Dakota is with me tonight.
35:43He wanted to come support me
35:45given he knows I'm going to be attacked.
35:47Dakota and I
35:49were not officially together, but he still
35:51is nice and sticks by
35:53my side, so I appreciate the support
35:55from him.
35:57What up!
35:59I haven't gotten a clear
36:01answer from the ultimatum,
36:03but the biggest reason why I'm going to the Saints
36:05and Sinners party is because
36:07with all the drama going on right now,
36:09Taylor is kind of alone,
36:11and so I just want to let
36:13her know that I always have her back.
36:15It is weird because
36:17none of the Mom Talk girls commented.
36:19I noticed it, and I
36:21wasn't even trying to notice that.
36:23They can say, like, I was busy
36:25that day, and it's like, nah.
36:27You were on your phone, you sup.
36:29How was New York?
36:31A blur. I'm running off
36:33no sleep and no food.
36:35However, I wanted to come tonight
36:37and support my friends, unlike
36:39some other people.
36:41Let's not lump everyone in again.
36:43That didn't go well the first time.
36:45I'm okay.
36:47No, I'm saying we're not.
36:49I didn't speak for everyone here.
36:51No, because I've talked to everyone.
36:53Everyone is frustrated.
36:55Well, they've all talked to me as well.
36:57I mean, you went to a whole other level
36:59of all these other girls.
37:01Taylor's here with her 12-foot wings,
37:03and she just has that crazy look in her eye,
37:05and I'm like, she is here to fight.
37:07I am so fed up.
37:09We have a long line of
37:11all this shit that she's building,
37:13building, building, and at this point,
37:15I'm just like, fuck you, Taylor.
37:17Should we go in the back room?
37:19You are behind closed doors.
37:21You are done.
37:23Like, not on my watch, bitch.
37:25You're done.
37:33Do you guys want to go back here
37:35to talk with a little more quiet?
37:39Jessie, come sit with me right here.
37:43I feel like this feels weird.
37:45It feels like it's all of us,
37:47and I feel like it's all of yourself.
37:49Well, apparently I am by myself, according to Demi,
37:51so go at it.
37:53Well, I actually want to hear what you have to say.
37:55I wanted to apologize,
37:57and I'm no longer apologizing to you
37:59specifically because of the bullying
38:01I've seen online for about a week now
38:03and the extent that you took it to
38:05and whatever reason you have.
38:07I did apologize to everyone else in the text,
38:09whether you thought it was sincere or not,
38:11and remember what else I said?
38:13I sat with what Mikayla said,
38:15and then she was like,
38:17well, maybe you should think about how it affected all of us
38:19and how the people came at us,
38:21and I was like, okay, you're right.
38:23Why would you not be sorry?
38:25I'm just confused by that.
38:27Because I feel like I was just sharing my feelings,
38:29and I didn't think of it in big picture
38:31that you guys were going to get bullied.
38:33You know the platform you have?
38:35In what world would you put that out there
38:37and not expect a response when you have a problem?
38:39Well, you guys think I'm dumber than a block,
38:41so maybe that just...
38:43Maybe I shouldn't have done it,
38:45but fuck, thanks a lot, Taylor.
38:47Oh, you've never said that?
38:49I didn't say you're dumber than a what?
38:51A block? I think one of you said it.
38:53A brick?
38:55I guess for me where my frustration came from
38:57is as a friend,
38:59why did you think that was your first and only move
39:01to make instead of just coming to us?
39:03I feel like the silence was loud on that post,
39:05and I felt that it was pettiness.
39:07So why didn't you come to the group and say,
39:09hey, guys, I noticed this, and I'm feeling weird.
39:11Well, I'm telling you, half is pettiness,
39:13and half genuinely probably did not see it, like you.
39:15But that's an assumption, because that's not true.
39:17Well, I knew people had liked it, and they didn't say anything.
39:19Like, they just... No one supported it.
39:21If you go to anyone...
39:23Should I go around and say why we didn't comment
39:25and, like, get to the bottom of this?
39:27I don't care. You do. You do care because you posted about it.
39:29You don't care to come to us, but you care to put it online?
39:31That's communicating very loudly that you don't give a shit
39:33about the relationship. We were exhausted.
39:35We were heading into Thanksgiving weekend.
39:37We all were with our families or on dates or with our kids,
39:39and I know for a fact on Bible that half was petty
39:41and half genuinely didn't see it.
39:43That's not fair to say when that's not true.
39:45It's not the truth, Taylor.
39:47Well, no one would ever come out and say that.
39:49When I see not a single person
39:51on a big night, I felt that it was weird.
39:53I understand you drawing the conclusion
39:55that, oh, this feels planned.
39:57And petty, and so I... I reacted fast, poorly,
39:59and that's my bad.
40:01And I was petty, and I put it online, and it affected you guys
40:03all more drastically than I anticipated.
40:05And that is my bad, and that is all I can say.
40:07Everyone loves you and worships you.
40:09You have to realize the power you hold.
40:11Taylor tends to take her emotions as facts,
40:13and maybe she liked being validated
40:15and feeling like the victim in this situation,
40:17and taking it online validates her feelings,
40:19so I think that's why she did what she did.
40:21This is like a pattern,
40:23and the betrayal's so deep from you
40:25that I can't believe you would do something like that,
40:27that all I'm seeing is many yous come after me.
40:29This is not the issue you have with me.
40:31This is from, I don't know,
40:33from how long ago.
40:35And look at the build-up to a point of bullying.
40:37I am not a bully, and I'm not a mean person.
40:39So you don't think you were a bully?
40:41No.
40:43I am sitting here wondering
40:45why Layla hasn't spoken up yet
40:47because she told me that she was gonna have my back
40:49in this situation.
40:51Well, I'll see if you keep that same energy tonight when I'm being attacked.
40:53What do you mean?
40:55I'm being attacked.
40:57Oh, I'm gonna stand up for you.
40:59I don't know if she's terrified of Demi, but...
41:01I think I was defending myself against your behavior,
41:03and it's very weird of you to sit in your chair right now
41:05and spin this on its head as though you're the victim.
41:07That is, like, the most victim-complex thing
41:09I've ever seen in my life.
41:11I just think you're a fake.
41:13I'm not fake. Okay, does anyone here think I'm fake?
41:15No, no.
41:17I know that you're fake, so...
41:19Okay, what do you think is fake about me?
41:21You can't say that and not back it up. Say it.
41:23What's fake?
41:25I just feel uncomfortable saying it to you.
41:27Just say it.
41:29Why are you looking to her for validation to say it?
41:31Like, what you've done behind her back yet again.
41:33What?
41:35What I've done behind her back?
41:37Yes, and what you've said.
41:39Do you want me to say it? Oh, absolutely. Say it.
41:41Okay, she doesn't think you're good at hair,
41:43and she told me not to go to you for hair,
41:45and that's why I went to a different salon,
41:47because she doesn't think you're good at all,
41:49and she said that she's, like, stuck in a thing with you.
41:51Huh? You don't think she's good at hair,
41:53but, like, you feel, like, obligated to go to her.
41:55She said, do not go to her if she's not good at hair.
41:57No, I didn't at all.
41:59I said to go to Jay-Z.
42:01I don't know how they do with color.
42:03They're great at extensions.
42:05That's your best friend.
42:07I literally had had my hair done one time by them.
42:09I didn't know how they work.
42:11But were you happy with that one time?
42:13I don't remember.
42:15Do you see how she can't answer?
42:17Okay, should we just have the resolution
42:19of the petty IG post and move on from it?
42:21No, because she's fake,
42:23and I think she's a bitch.
42:25I really, truly think that.
42:27Turn, like, other people against each other right now, though.
42:29I think I'm trying to tell her, like,
42:31how her friend's chick is saying behind her back.
42:33To hear Miranda and Whitney take Demi's side,
42:35I'm in complete shock.
42:37I'm the only one who stuck up for them,
42:39and, like, you did me dirty again?
42:41Do you not think that's...
42:43Oh, Taylor, talk to me.
42:45Talk to me, because this is about me.
42:47Look me in the eyes, you narcissist. Look at me.
42:49I know how Taylor can be sometimes,
42:51especially online and throwing up something petty
42:53just for clicks.
42:55But I also see why it was very upsetting
42:57to some of the other girls,
42:59because I don't think that private things
43:01should be shared to everyone on the Internet.
43:03So...
43:05Okay, do we want to get into how you are behind closed doors?
43:07Should we open that door?
43:09Go for it.
43:11Okay, so should we talk about the way that you treat your boyfriend?
43:13Go get help. Stop hurting people.
43:15Take accountability for what you're doing.
43:17It's not okay.
43:19Yes, from my history.
43:21It's every goddamn time you're with us,
43:23this is a you problem.
43:25Let's go ask Dakota.
43:27Go up. Breathe.
43:29No, no.
43:31I'm gonna protect your ever-in-the-situation.
43:35Like, thinking back to Taylor's arrest,
43:37Taylor and Dakota,
43:39they're so toxic in their relationship.
43:41They brought out this nasty side in each other.
43:43And given the nature of their relationship
43:45and what has happened up until this point,
43:47I would never put my child
43:49in that environment.
43:51When you have the audacity to sit here
43:53and try to ruin my reputation,
43:55we are done.
43:57Let's take it there, Taylor.
43:59The need goes to one of the worst times of my life.
44:01We've seen the body cam footage.
44:03It's no secret that Dakota and I
44:05have struggled with unhealthy patterns.
44:07I was called, like, a child abuser,
44:09the worst mom in the world.
44:11It's not easy to hear as a mom.
44:13You don't want to be labeled as that.
44:15And it's not true, because I didn't hurt my daughter.
44:17And I don't want to, like, justify or make excuses for it.
44:19But I've taken the steps and the time
44:21to work through those things.
44:23And so for Demi to still bring that up
44:25to talk about my child,
44:27this isn't about being petty or bitchy.
44:29This could be life-ruining.
44:31I don't think it's fair
44:33to the initial argument, though,
44:35what we're here for.
44:37I feel like things are getting really out of hand and really messy.
44:39I feel like this is becoming a really ugly battle
44:41between Demi and Taylor.
44:43I love talking about hair, but...
44:45Yeah, I think that it's gotten a little off-topic.
44:47I think that we just need to come back to what it was.
44:49I mean, where are you guys standing?
44:51You can speak.
44:53Well, I just have one question.
44:55Yes.
44:57All I want to know is, are you sorry?
44:59To all of you and how I made you feel
45:01and the people coming at you, yes,
45:03I'm sorry for that part, and that is it.
45:05Okay.
45:07I'm gonna go enjoy that party.
45:09That's all I wanted to know.
45:11Demi and I are getting closer,
45:13so I can see how aggravating this is for her.
45:15Watch your head!
45:17Can I talk to you?
45:19Me? Yeah.
45:21Mom talk is supposed to be sisterhood
45:23and support and genuine friendships.
45:25However, I think Demi has let
45:27the money side
45:29and greed go to her head.
45:31Yes, mom talk is a business,
45:33but it's much more than that.
45:35I'm not scared of her, but she's a scary girl,
45:37if that makes sense.
45:39And we all need to be aware.
45:41And I just want to say I'm, like, sorry,
45:43and I just, I want you to be careful with her as well.
45:45Yeah.
45:47This is the second time she's done you dirty behind your back.
45:49Yeah, I'm aware.
45:51Was that necessary to even tell you?
45:53Because, like, that was weighing on me.
45:55Going to that, I'm glad I know. I am.
45:57I'm hurt, obviously, and I'm, like, embarrassed
45:59because it sucks that, like, that is my business I put out there,
46:01and I don't want anyone thinking I'm bad,
46:03especially without context.
46:05But that's your best friend sending people elsewhere.
46:07Yes, and that is super hurtful.
46:09I feel like I've never known, probably,
46:11and it does make me wonder other things that were said.
46:13I don't know what to do right now.
46:15I feel like I'm kind of in shock.
46:17Like, I just don't know how to, like, approach it.
46:19But I appreciate you telling me.
46:21I am feeling betrayed and kind of deflated.
46:23Like, I feel like a deflated balloon.
46:25This group as a whole is really damaged.
46:27It's gotten to a really hostile point,
46:29and I don't know what's going to happen.
46:31I don't know. It just feels like the whole group right now.
46:33Like, I don't know where we're going to go from here.
46:35It feels...
46:37It feels...
46:41I'm so excited. New Orleans has always been on my bucket list.
46:43Is that a pregnancy test?
46:45We're going to play pregnancy roulette.
46:47I was not planning on telling the girls I'm pregnant.
46:49Oh!
46:51I'm going to cry. Who is it?
46:53What I said was not shitting on your business.
46:55It was strictly what...
46:57But it is.
46:59To me, it's the rot and the opposite of what mom talk is about.
47:01Like, shut up.
47:03Did everyone get the video of Jen?
47:05There are so many fractures within our group right now.
47:07Does anyone care about me?
47:11Taylor, I really don't see the need for her to even stick around.
47:13I'd go to war.