The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 2 Episode 5
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00:00I know I can't save you I know I can't save you
00:18I think Jen is fake.
00:24Okay well this escalated quickly.
00:26With the smiley just so you know.
00:28Also it's nice.
00:30Having this confession come out has definitely caught me off guard because this isn't supposed
00:33to be malicious at all.
00:35Okay Macy this is your fault.
00:37I was like I didn't do that.
00:38Okay I can't say who did not do it.
00:40That definitely kind of put a damper on the mood.
00:43I don't know I'm so emotional.
00:45That's a lot.
00:46Give yourself some grace.
00:48Yeah.
00:49I don't know who wrote the card that Jen was fake.
00:53If it wasn't to me or Jessie because they have this weird beef then I would say they
00:58brainwashed someone else to feel the same way about Jen.
01:01Okay.
01:02Well we're proud of you.
01:03This was so cool.
01:04Also don't forget Friday baby shower celebrate Billie.
01:08There'll be bunnies there.
01:10Oh bunnies?
01:11Little baby bunnies that you can hold.
01:12Love you guys.
01:13I love you.
01:14I love you.
01:15I love you.
01:16I love you.
01:17I love you.
01:18I love you.
01:19I love you.
01:20I love you.
01:21I love you.
01:22I love you.
01:23I love you.
01:24I love you.
01:25I love you.
01:26I love you.
01:27I love you.
01:28I love you.
01:29No.
01:30Jen.
01:31You're not.
01:32You're not.
01:33You've had so much on your plate.
01:34I also think that for you, if any situation where anybody feels like you're being fake
01:37just bring it up, rather than just calling it fake.
01:39Yeah.
01:40Fake.
01:41Great.
01:42You've been going through so much lately.
01:43It's okay.
01:45Yeah.
01:46Of course.
01:47I'm just like, okay, I'm here to be a part of Mom Talk and to be empowered and gain support.
01:54But there's none of that.
01:57I just wanted to get to the bottom of why are these women doing this to me and like what are your intentions behind
02:04Our friendship, and if you do have an issue with me like let's talk about it
02:08I said I think the comment was either from me, Mikaela, or Blake
02:57Hi! Welcome to Fox Glide. Thank you, this store is so cute. Thank you so much. So nice to meet both of you. I think you've been talking with Miriam about your baby shower, right? Yes.
03:18I'm having a baby shower after baby's born because we didn't know the gender yet, and now I do.
03:24I invited everyone from MomTalk because I'm definitely still making efforts to feel like I've been accepted back into this group, especially before the girls trip, and I've been getting really close with Jen and Miranda because I need some friends.
03:38Are you a plant person? I am but I'm not because I'll start it and then I'll forget about it. I want to though. I want to get to know them.
03:44I've got some that they're supposed to die. What do they call it? Prenials or whatever? Prenials? When it dies it comes back? I don't know. Like it's supposed to die? Yeah, it's like supposed to die and then it comes back. I want that. That's what's happening in my life right now. And I thought I killed him. Same actually.
03:59Have you talked to Jen at all? I was so worried about her. Like nobody wants to hear that. Yeah, she called me. Did she want to have a conversation or no? She wants to think on it for a while before she decides if and when she's going to bring it up.
04:12Well, I guess we'll have to wait and find out. Yeah. Anyway, I'm curious who all shows up at the shower because I invited everyone but I would be shocked if everybody showed up. Do you want me to guess who I think will be there? Maybe guess who wouldn't be there. Hopefully that number is smaller than the one that wouldn't be there. Okay, I'll tell you who I don't think will be there. Okay, cool.
04:30I don't think Demi, Mikaela, Jesse and Jesse. Yeah, we'll be there. That seems about right. Whitney wants to move forward with these girls and I do think that it is possible with some of them. But in order to move forward, I think you need to prove yourself that you really are sorry through your actions. And for me, I'm hoping this girls trip can be a great opportunity for me to get to know all of the girls and vice versa and see where things go.
04:57I'm like trying to show my support towards Macy more and I thought it'd be fun if all of us got together and like did something for her at the pickleball event. Funny shirts or painted our bodies. Yeah. Oh, that'd be fun. I don't know what but painted our bodies. That would actually be hilarious. Wearing our bikinis and it says,
05:18I'm putting together this new group chat without Macy because I want to plan something very special for her at this pickleball event. Let's hope that this redeems me a little bit. Let's make the chat. I'm going to make it right now.
05:32Okay, so I said, I thought it'd be fun to do something for Macy at the pickleball tournament. Maybe shirts, body paint. Haha. I think that's good. I'm scared.
05:42I'm scared. I really am.
05:44New text.
05:45You should leave it.
05:47Don't please don't go. Wow.
05:57Whitney just sent a text. I thought it'd be fun to do something for Macy at the pickleball tournament. I bet you do. Maybe shirts, body paint. Haha. I don't think I'm going to reply to her. I'm definitely not responding to this message. Hell no. I feel like she definitely like hit her head and forgot about it.
06:12Definitely like hit her head and forgot what she did last year. I'm going to leave that one on red.
06:17You have to respond. Nobody's responding. You have to say something.
06:25It's just me and you. We're having a conversation. Everyone leave. Goodbye.
06:29I just want to kick it with my girls for the night. Girls for the night. Girls for the night. Girls for the night.
06:39Since therapy, Dakota is putting in an effort and really trying to show the partner that he says he is and I'm communicating with him better. But I need to now focus on healing. And that is a journey in itself. It's very complex.
06:53Hello. Hello.
06:57Oh, hi my baby kids. Oh, you love your Nana, huh? I think he looks like Dakota. He's nicer than Dakota.
07:06My family and I don't always see eye to eye. Like at the barbecue, for example. He lied. Yes, that is so wrong. But give him some grace.
07:17You guys had seen each other three times and then he came over and had sex with you. What does that say about you?
07:25But at the same time, they've helped me a lot with Everett and my other kids during this turmoil with Dakota. So I am so grateful for them.
07:33Where are you in Dakota right now?
07:35And then we made our TikToks last night and then all my friends like Taylor, Taylor.
07:40I saw that too. I'm like, what the heck is going on?
07:47It's just a TikTok. It's really not that deep. Like, I know, but it's like, but I feel like those kind of TikToks. It's like, oh, they're back together.
07:59It never said that. No, but it said he's trying and he's cleaning my floors.
08:06Well, I don't know. We're working through things, but like we're not living together. We're not going on dates.
08:12We're not seeing each other that often besides when he visits his son.
08:15So are you guys having sex? Because that's going to confuse him.
08:19Yes, but it doesn't change anything. I told them that.
08:22Why are you having sex with him then?
08:24I have been hooking up with Dakota still and it's just hard to completely cut that off.
08:29It's almost like a trauma response. Like, yes, I'm angry, but I still like want that.
08:35It's like a, it's a thing. It's just passion.
08:38When I'm being intimate with him, I feel nothing. I literally turn it off. Like, I don't know how I do it.
08:43Like, he calls me the dude in the relationship because after he's like, can we cuddle?
08:47And I'm like, no, I don't want to cuddle. Like, if anything, you can leave.
08:52I like almost turn it off like I'm protecting myself because I know if I do feel it will hurt really bad.
08:58I feel like you shouldn't be doing that.
09:00Even he's shaking his head. No, look at him. He said, no, mom, don't do it.
09:07I'm a little annoyed that my family is being a little judgmental.
09:10I'm trying to tell me like what to do. It's my choice at the end of the day.
09:14It's not really their place to say or tell me what to do.
09:17I think you guys just need Jesus in your life.
09:20I think Taylor just needs to not have sex with Dakota.
09:24It's like giving him the wrong vibe.
09:28It's like, do you want to be with me or you don't want to be with me?
09:30Like, are you using me for sex?
09:33You just feel lonely. Like, and you want that like connection.
09:35Go use your freaking vibrator.
09:37That's not a person.
09:38And honestly, sometimes vibrators feel better than the guy.
09:42Anyway, it's true.
09:42What?
09:44Oh my gosh. I don't want to even hear this.
09:47Have you never used one?
09:48No, we're not talking about that.
09:49I literally found a book of all the positions.
09:55Have you tried them all?
09:57Yes.
09:59Oh my gosh.
10:01I just don't think that you should keep having sex with him.
10:04I don't have feelings anymore. I don't feel nothing.
10:06That is not true.
10:07Because I think you've come a long way and you're over here.
10:10You're backtracking.
10:11Replace yourself with Indy.
10:13Knowing your daughter came to you and is telling you all this stuff.
10:15What would you tell your daughter?
10:19I would just explain to her, I've been in your shoes.
10:22It actually will make you feel...
10:24Because I assume it's going to end up being 10 times shittier, right?
10:27So I'll be like...
10:28So why aren't you taking your own advice?
10:31I think you guys shouldn't be having sex if you're working on it.
10:34Because I feel like you guys both have your own issues.
10:36And if you can't do it for yourself, do it for him.
10:40My sister does have a point.
10:42This is doing nothing progressive for me.
10:44And I feel like I have to cut that off
10:46or you're just going to continue the unhealthy cycle.
11:05Yeah.
11:09Hi.
11:10Hi.
11:11How are you?
11:12Good, how are you doing?
11:13You know, I'm trying to be better at just like saying things head-on
11:16rather than bottling it up.
11:18I saw the video Mikaela made.
11:22Man, I mean, shit.
11:24I'm putting food on that table for that girl, that's for sure.
11:28She's making all of these hurtful videos, making fun of my traumas.
11:32Like Connor and I going through a hard time in our relationship.
11:36All of this harassing and bullying, whatever you want to call it.
11:39Whether it's about me or about our relationship.
11:43If you really feel that way, how about you just say it to my face?
11:46I get it from Jesse, Demi and Mikaela.
11:48I get it.
11:49But then you're in it too.
11:50And then I'm like, okay, we're creating this narrative online
11:53where I'm not friends with Macy.
11:56Because why else would she be in these videos?
11:58The fact that I'm in it, yeah, I can see how you think that.
12:00But I genuinely don't know what they're going to say in the caption.
12:04I'm just like, oh, we're getting this trend, okay.
12:07I think that's why I didn't think that it was about you.
12:10Regardless of Macy saying that she wasn't aware of what Mikaela was going to say,
12:17at what point are you going to tune in to that's what she's continually doing?
12:21If you've already seen the first post, why are you in the second one?
12:24I genuinely feel like I need to have a conversation just one-on-one with Mikaela
12:28before we even go on this girls trip.
12:30Okay, well, maybe I'll talk to her and see what she thinks
12:34and see if she's open to chatting with you in person.
12:37And maybe I can help facilitate it.
12:39Hopefully, everyone could come and have a little kumbaya.
12:42I was going to say kumbaya.
12:45I really want to talk to Mikaela before the girls trip
12:47because I'm not fully understanding why you still have such harsh feelings towards me.
12:52And even more than that, mom talk is driven by love and unity.
12:56And that's clearly not what Mikaela is doing.
12:58She's doing the exact opposite.
13:01Love you.
13:02Love you, too.
13:02I'll talk to you later.
13:03Okay, bye.
13:24I got you flowers.
13:25For what?
13:26Because you're going to get a million followers today.
13:29I think.
13:31Demi and I are going to meet up to do Pilates today.
13:33It's one of our favorite workouts.
13:34We don't do it as much as we should, but we have the girls trip in a few days.
13:37So we got to look good.
13:38And Pilates is a good workout.
13:40Keep up, Jessie.
13:42Did you only get two hours of sleep or what?
13:44I'm like, I'm already shaking.
13:46We're going to be jiggling walking out of here.
13:47I feel like I'm giving birth.
13:50Your legs are goals.
13:52The one time a year I do it.
13:53Yeah, we're all wondering how she has those legs
13:55because this is her first time in the gym for like, I think in three years.
14:00I truly work out maybe one to two days a year.
14:02I was not lying.
14:03So it must be good genetics.
14:05But I feel like I, you know, keep pretty active in the bedroom.
14:08So maybe Jordan's the reason for these legs.
14:10You think you're going to go to Whitney's baby shower?
14:13No.
14:13Yeah, I didn't think you would.
14:14I was just not.
14:15Are you?
14:16No.
14:17But I feel like she probably expects us all to go.
14:20Because at Macy's dinner, she was like, remember Friday?
14:23Like kind of delusional.
14:24Like there's going to be bunnies.
14:25I'm like, that doesn't change anything.
14:27Yeah.
14:27Whitney dropped her baby shower announcement
14:29and that was the last thing I was expecting.
14:31I think it's a little strange because
14:33she knows that probably half the group isn't going to come.
14:36I think we want to host like a hibachi dinner that night
14:38because Jordan's friend has this hibachi grill.
14:41And he brings it out and he does the whole show for you.
14:43And he has like heat lamps.
14:43You do it in the front yard, but it's like cozy.
14:45So I was thinking we should do that for the people not going.
14:48Yes.
14:48Like we might as well do something fun that night.
14:50It's going to be so interesting to see how the trip's going to go.
14:52Like I'm excited to go to Arizona and get out of the cold.
14:55But we saw how Park City and Vegas went and I'm just like,
14:58please, can we just have like a calm, chill girls trip?
15:02I am feeling very apprehensive about this girls trip.
15:05I am not on the best terms with Whitney still.
15:08She has tried to reach out and mend things.
15:11I don't fully trust her and I'm not ready to hear what she has to say.
15:15Between that and Jen and the lies and not being able to trust her.
15:21It's just like, I don't want to be on a girls trip with these people.
15:25Okay, Macy's dinner.
15:26Do you know who wrote the Jen is fake thing?
15:29No, I have no clue.
15:30Maybe this needs to be what comes out for her to be like,
15:33let's face these issues and like not be fake to each other anymore.
15:35I don't even know how to act around Jen right now.
15:37Like I feel awkward.
15:39I know.
15:39I'm feeling so weird about Jen.
15:41Zach called me.
15:43What?
15:43Yeah.
15:44Like right before this.
15:45What did he say?
15:46We talked for like 45 minutes.
15:49So he said that he talked to Jordan about the whole Chippendale situation.
15:52Did you tell him we gave Jen a heads up?
15:54Yeah, I said, I thought that by giving Jen a heads up,
15:57and I was like, I know you're not Jen,
15:58but I thought that you guys would be in communication enough.
16:01Zach's just really confused.
16:03And it's another situation with Jen where like,
16:05he's not being told the full truth.
16:06He's the one who told us we're going to go together for exposure therapy.
16:09Yeah.
16:10I get where he's coming from.
16:11And this is what shocks me is that he fully was like,
16:15like her lying about the Ben Affleck thing.
16:17Like, why would she make that up?
16:19That's where for me, I'm like, this isn't a miscommunication.
16:22This isn't you hating confrontation.
16:23That is literally a pathological liar.
16:26At this point, I think Jen needs to be held accountable
16:28for all of the lies that are coming out.
16:30The last time we talked to her, we didn't know everything.
16:33So I think we were a little soft on her.
16:34But since that conversation,
16:36we're finding out more lies that have been told.
16:38I'm not interested in having a friend who lies about the weirdest things
16:42because what are you going to lie about about me?
16:44That's just not what mom talks about.
16:47Dude, what do we do?
16:48I have to do her hair tomorrow.
16:49Oh my hell.
16:50Like, how do I not talk to her about all of this
16:53while I'm doing it?
16:53But then how awkward that I'm like sitting there for three hours
16:55doing her hair and like calling her out for being a liar.
16:57How should I bring it up?
16:58Should I just be like, so I've kind of heard
17:00there's been some tension with Chippendales.
17:02Like, how do you feel?
17:03Yeah, we're really confused.
17:04All of us are feeling very frustrated with you.
17:07I just feel so bad because like last year
17:09when this all went down, I was like,
17:10no, I'm a girl's girl.
17:11Like, you do not deserve to be treated this way.
17:13I've been treated this way.
17:14And I don't want it to feel like I'm flipping on her.
17:16But this has nothing to do with gender now.
17:17Like, it's literally just the actions we're seeing.
17:19Exactly.
17:20Would you have to be that way?
17:21I'm sorry.
17:22We can't just blindly be like, she's a power.
17:24Like, empowering women is being like,
17:26hey, step into your freaking power.
17:28Yeah.
17:28And like, tell the truth.
17:41How are you feeling?
17:42I know the last couple of days and weeks have just been
17:45pretty much since we moved back.
17:46You either want to chop my head off
17:48or you're crying and you want to order cookies.
17:50I'm pregnant.
17:52Zach and I were really struggling
17:54after the Chippendales prank.
17:56But we had a really good talk.
17:58And we just want to block out all the noise
18:01and be a united front.
18:03It's definitely ironic that I chose mom talk over Zach
18:06and then mom talk screwed me over.
18:08Very ironic.
18:10I'm sorry, sweetie.
18:12The thing is like, you have me, you have your kids.
18:14Do you even want to be part of mom talk?
18:16I think being a part of mom talk
18:18is a huge responsibility for each of us.
18:20Because as a group, we're trying to influence the world.
18:24And I feel like if no one's-
18:26But what are you guys trying to influence?
18:28What are you trying to show women?
18:29We're trying to empower women.
18:30But you guys all just shit on each other.
18:34It's like a lot of the girls are just like followers
18:36and like whatever is convenient.
18:37Like it was popular to protect Jen.
18:39Now it's popular to say Jen's fake.
18:42It's just hard because like I really,
18:44in this next chapter of our life,
18:45am like doing everything I can to support you.
18:48And then you go hang out with these girls
18:49and you come home and you cry pretty much every time.
18:52And you're just like, this is what this person said about me.
18:54I'm like, friends don't say that about each other.
18:56Like that's not a real thing.
18:57But it's like, you're almost trapped
18:59because this is like your business.
19:00And like-
19:01It's not even just that.
19:02It's just like, I truly feel like mom talk
19:05has so much potential.
19:07Well, I mean, obviously it's reached millions of people.
19:10I'm not denying that.
19:11I'm just saying how like you as a pregnant woman
19:13that's growing a baby,
19:15like it's not, babe, you couldn't sleep last night.
19:18You literally had a panic attack.
19:20Yeah.
19:22Anyways, well, what do you want to do moving forward?
19:26As of right now, I think it's really important for me to rest
19:28and think of the baby that I'm carrying.
19:30And I do think that this is causing me a lot of stress.
19:32My relationship with the girls is falling apart.
19:35And I think it's because Jesse and Demi
19:38are trying to get the whole group against me.
19:40Part of me is wanting to people put it so badly
19:43and just act like everything's okay.
19:45And I can't, like the uncomfortable feeling right now
19:48is the feeling that I need to have.
19:51Even though it sucks.
19:52For so long, I've been a pushover.
19:54And for so long, I've had so many people walk all over me.
19:58I don't want to play the victim mentality anymore
20:00and run away from my issues.
20:01I'm not doing that.
20:02I'm just fed up at this point.
20:03And I want someone to finally hear me.
20:07I need to confront these issues.
20:08And if not, it's actually worse for me.
20:15Hi, welcome in.
20:28Hi, everything looks so good.
20:30I'm excited.
20:31Yes, highly recommend the hot chocolate.
20:33Okay, let's do hot chocolate.
20:34That's perfect today.
20:36I was supposed to do Jen's hair,
20:37but she reached out and said
20:39she wanted to talk in person first.
20:40So we're just going to meet up
20:42and hash this out outside of the hair salon.
20:44I was super nervous about having to sit with her for hours
20:46doing her hair while potentially arguing and fighting.
20:49It would have been so uncomfortable.
20:54I just don't know what their intentions are
20:56behind all of this.
20:58I've asked them to stop talking shit
21:00about my husband and me.
21:02I'm done trying to keep the peace.
21:03Like they poke the bear and the claws are coming out.
21:05Like I'm done.
21:06You haven't seen the other side of me.
21:07You don't realize I was raising the hood.
21:09Like watch out.
21:10All right, catch me outside.
21:11How about that?
21:12Okay, you were born in Provo, Utah.
21:14Calm down.
21:15Yeah, so I was born in Provo,
21:16but raised in the hood.
21:17So, aye.
21:22I wish Demi was here as well.
21:25I feel like she's equally responsible
21:27for all of the stuff that has happened.
21:29But I decided to meet with just Jesse first
21:32because I feel like when they're together,
21:34they just team up.
21:35I just want to squash everything
21:37and ask why are you doing this to me?
21:40Hi.
21:41Oh my gosh.
21:43Not good to be honest, but it's okay.
21:44It's fine.
21:45What's going on?
21:46Oh my gosh.
21:49I'm going to be,
21:49this is going to be a really hard conversation.
21:55First off, I just want to take accountability.
21:58I know I suck at confrontation
22:00and I know that can come off as two-faced,
22:02which I totally get that.
22:03But first off, I genuinely want to ask you,
22:06when have I intentionally ever tried to hurt you
22:11in our friendship?
22:12What are you talking about?
22:14You continue to bash me in my relationship.
22:16Because of the things I want to talk about, yes.
22:18Honestly, it makes me question your character.
22:23Okay.
22:23Because I'm...
22:24Character is something we definitely need to talk about
22:26because you're the liar here.
22:28Okay, well, what you think I'm lying about,
22:30I would love to confront you about
22:32and that's why I came here.
22:33Okay, let's start with Chippendales.
22:35Okay.
22:35Did Demi ask me for consent
22:38for Brett to dress up as a Chippendales dancer
22:41for a performance?
22:42Yes, she did.
22:44She never mentioned flying down a male stripper.
22:47She never mentioned...
22:47She said, there are things that I want to keep as a surprise
22:50and you said, totally go for it.
22:52That would be so fun.
22:53I'm totally good with it.
22:54And the fact that you said me and Zach
22:55are going to go to Chippendales ourselves,
22:58that means you're okay with the situation, Jen.
23:00No, the difference...
23:01How was it any different?
23:01What she told me was lighthearted.
23:03What actually happened was disrespectful.
23:04The Chippendales thing was all in good fun
23:07and considering what Jen had shared with us
23:09about Zach's progress in therapy,
23:10we thought this was all going to be safe territory,
23:13not something that would upset him.
23:15We kind of thought it was going to be closure
23:16for the whole Chippendales thing together.
23:18What would be lighthearted in that scenario?
23:20Jordan was literally grinding on me.
23:22It was...
23:23That was never...
23:24If you go to Chippendales,
23:25they put your hands on their ass.
23:27It's way worse at the real Chippendales.
23:29The difference is...
23:29But her intention...
23:30Different.
23:31Her intention...
23:31You guys go to Chippendales.
23:38I just wish you would have confronted me saying,
23:40okay, you don't know these big surprises
23:42and I know you're in a rocky place in your relationship.
23:45Is this okay?
23:46I wish you had asked me
23:47because I would have never given you guys consent
23:50for Jordan and this random male stripper
23:53to be grinding on me and touching me.
23:54A male stripper is a performer.
23:55It's a difference.
23:56Clearly, there's a lot of lies going on
23:58and those are the things that make me judge you
23:59because if you guys lie about
24:01being related to a celebrity,
24:02why?
24:03Oh my...
24:04And you know that's going to come out.
24:05So it's very weird.
24:07Okay.
24:07You can lie about something like that.
24:09It makes me question your character.
24:11I'm lying.
24:12Your husband said,
24:13Jen made up this lie
24:13and I have been telling her to stop.
24:15We are not related to the Afflecks.
24:16I have told her to stop lying about it on podcasts.
24:19All that's been told to me,
24:20literally since the day that you started dating him...
24:21Then you exactly have a communication problem
24:23because he said,
24:23I don't know where Jen came up with this.
24:25I've been telling her to stop talking about it.
24:26It's a lie.
24:27Jesse brings up the Ben Affleck situation.
24:30Again, I was telling everyone
24:32what I'd been told the past six years.
24:34But also, what does this have to do with anything?
24:38At this point,
24:39it feels like they're harping on anything to put me down
24:43when it feels like straight up bullying.
24:46You literally gaslight everyone
24:48saying that I had consent over everything that happened,
24:51which is not true.
24:52That's what you guys do.
24:53You do it.
24:53No.
24:54Yes.
24:54We are very honest.
24:56If anything, me and Demi are honest to a fault.
24:57We told everyone,
24:59Jen and Zach said they were going to go to Chippendales,
25:01that they wanted exposure therapy.
25:02I gave consent.
25:03Jen thought it was funny.
25:05For your husband to rub his little dick on me?
25:07He didn't rub his dick on you.
25:09Well, I know about your past.
25:10You are such a prude.
25:11Okay, I know about your past.
25:12What's my past, Jen?
25:13I know about your past.
25:14Give it to me.
25:15If you're asking to swing with us, it's a no.
25:17And I'm done with this conversation.
25:18I don't want to have this conversation.
25:22Oh, my God.
25:38Yeah, let's get it.
25:40I'm excited for a good old sunshine bun.
25:43I've never heard of this place.
25:44Sunshine Buns.
25:47So there's no better time to tell you
25:49than I guess right now since we're five minutes away.
25:52Oh, Lord.
25:55So Whitney called me
25:57and I guess she's been wanting to talk to you.
26:00And she's like, why don't we just meet there or something?
26:03Meet where?
26:03At the Sunshine Buns.
26:05No.
26:06Okay, you take me home.
26:08Whitney and I were like best friends for almost two years
26:11and I felt like people didn't get a lot of that context
26:13of why our friendship fell out.
26:16It really all started in Park City.
26:18I felt like I was being left out of the friend group.
26:20I was going through a lot in my chronic illness.
26:22I had a couple conversations with her about it
26:24and it was almost like she gaslit me and flipped it on me
26:28and made it seem like, oh, well, you're doing this to yourself
26:30or you're going through this.
26:32She involved me with no explanation
26:34and then showed up to my birthday party
26:36just to talk to Macy.
26:38I think she wants to talk
26:39because the girls' trip's coming up
26:40and she thinks that you hate her.
26:42Well, it's because she's obsessed with herself.
26:46Lately, I feel like mom talk
26:47is turning on each other left and right.
26:49It's really sad to see
26:50because I feel like we're supposed to be
26:51women supporting each other.
26:52We're taught in the church to love one another,
26:54to be Christ-like and to be forgiving,
26:57but it doesn't feel like that's happening.
26:58The girls' trip is coming up
27:00and I really just want no hostility.
27:02So I figured this is kind of my shot
27:03at just trying to get Whitney and Mikayla together,
27:06see if they can work it out.
27:07However, I just don't know if that's going to happen.
27:08It's going to be really sunshiny at Sunshine Buns.
27:19I don't have anything to say to her.
27:21You can make it two minutes.
27:22I'm going to make it less than two minutes.
27:26Okay, well, I'll call you.
27:28You're going to call me right now?
27:29I'll just call you and put you on mute.
27:31Well, no, you're going to come in there with me still
27:33because then I'll call you and put you on mute.
27:36And then, or no, you have to put it on mute
27:38because then I can't hear you.
27:39Yes.
27:40And you know our safe word.
27:41What's the safe word?
27:42Our safe word, sisterhood.
27:44If I say sisterhood, then you ought to, I don't know,
27:47say you have to go pick up your kids
27:48from school or something.
27:49Since I'm being held against my will to this conversation,
27:52I have to make a safe word.
27:53Hello.
27:54Hello.
27:55I just want to hear what she has to say to me
27:58and then I'm ready to go.
27:59Sisterhood.
28:00You guys can talk and I'll just chill in the car.
28:02Bye.
28:03Sorry, hold on.
28:03I got to make sure Jace is picking up my kids.
28:06Okay.
28:10Can we dive more into what's been bothering you about me?
28:15Yeah, I mean, I honestly don't care to really say much more.
28:19I wanted to know why you wanted to have this conversation.
28:25Why can't I hear anything?
28:27I feel like for me, I was like,
28:28I don't really care to put energy into it.
28:30So if you feel like something's bothering you,
28:33I'd love to know.
28:34I think Makayla muted herself.
28:41I care about you and I want to know what we can do to move past this.
28:45I don't care to have the friendship.
28:47I didn't want to have this conversation.
28:49Why did you want to have the conversation?
28:50Because I want to move past this, Makayla.
28:52Then move past it.
28:56If you want to move past it, you're throwing yourself into the group.
28:58Every time I open the internet,
28:59somebody's making blatantly explicit videos about me.
29:02Then don't look at my stuff.
29:03I don't follow you.
29:04It's on my For You page.
29:05It just pops up.
29:06Well, not everything's about you.
29:08You're the one making it about me.
29:10You're so delusional and you think that everyone's always coming for you.
29:13Whitney refuses to acknowledge anything that makes her look bad
29:16or makes her look like the villain.
29:18You're very explicit about how you feel about me online.
29:21If I want to make videos about you,
29:22I can do that because you're not my friend.
29:26You're exactly right.
29:26Okay.
29:27Okay, so you're not my friend,
29:28but you can blatantly harass me on the internet.
29:30I'm not blatantly harassing you on the internet.
29:32Then what are you doing?
29:33I'm posting my videos.
29:35It's like I go through conversations with her
29:37where it's like 10 different personalities that I'm seeing.
29:39She has like her victim voice where she goes very soft
29:42and then she goes psycho off the rails
29:44where she's yelling and banging on things.
29:46And from this conversation,
29:47the only thing I'm taking is that Whitney was upset
29:49by videos that I posted on social media.
29:53Okay, I will be cordial to you in person
29:55when we're at group or work events.
29:57If it's a friendship thing.
29:58So we'll be cordial in person, but we'll harass her online.
30:01No one's harassing you again.
30:02Did you just hear what I said?
30:03No one's harassing you on the internet.
30:04I feel like it's harassment.
30:06If you feel like that, then come to me and tell me.
30:08That's what I'm doing right now.
30:09You call Macy every single time
30:10and you put her in the middle yet again.
30:12I asked her why she was in the video.
30:14So in Ephesians 4, 32, it says,
30:18be kind to one another, tenderhearted,
30:20forgiving each other, just as God and Christ
30:23also has forgiven you.
30:24That's clearly not what's happening right now.
30:28At this point, it's kind of like a sisterhood
30:30that we've created that you removed yourself from.
30:36Moving forward with like mom talk
30:38and that sisterhood there.
30:43I don't know, it just puts a tricky dynamic
30:45on like our sisterhood.
30:49I'm three sisterhoods deep.
30:51Why is she not coming in?
30:56I'm like sisterhood this, sisterhood that,
30:57and she's still not coming in.
31:00Yeah.
31:03Where do you want to leave things off?
31:05Moving forward, it's just being cordial in group situations.
31:09That's it.
31:10Okay.
31:11I just don't understand.
31:13And I hate that I don't understand, but I don't.
31:16It just sucks.
31:18We were best friends, me, Macy, Michaela.
31:21It just feels helpless.
31:22Like there's nothing I can do to break down this wall.
31:25If you have harsh feelings towards me, Michaela,
31:28like whatever, you go ahead and deal with that.
31:30But can we please just be civil and respect each other
31:34when we go on this girl's trip?
31:36I couldn't hear one word.
31:37It was like it was on mute.
31:39I muted you.
31:40Yes, you ding dong.
31:41You muted me.
31:42I'm the one who's supposed to mute you.
31:43You know how many fucking times I was saying sisterhood?
31:45It was comical.
31:46Like I was like, I feel like I almost started laughing.
31:49I was like, this is my sisterhood that I chose.
31:53Looking at the door.
31:54Stop.
31:54It was comical.
31:56I was like, this is a fucking joke.
31:59I was like, you're calling Macy about it.
32:01She's like, Macy was in the video.
32:02And I said, Macy can do whatever the hell she wants.
32:04How many times I have to say, it's not about you.
32:07And as far as like the girl's trip,
32:08I'll just go and continue to ignore her.
32:11No one's like, we don't owe you anything.
32:14We have a whole group of people going through their own shit.
32:17Yeah, I get it.
32:21That's it.
32:22I'm glad you enjoyed yourself.
32:26And we can turn the party out till the sun come up.
32:48Dakota is coming over so we can discuss our relationship
32:53and where it goes from here.
32:56As hard as it is, my mom and sister, they do have a point.
32:59I need to take a step back.
33:01Because everything's so clouded when we're like sleeping together.
33:03Like, I think this is just a cycle that I would like to break.
33:06It's quite a night, huh?
33:07Night ever.
33:10I don't think Dakota would ever be on board of like a full on break.
33:15I think he sees endgame.
33:16So I'm the one who has to initiate this
33:18because I don't think he's wanting to.
33:22Oh my gosh.
33:24What?
33:25Nothing.
33:25I'm just tired.
33:26Yeah, same.
33:28And I actually slept so hard last night for like the first time ever.
33:33Good.
33:33I was out.
33:35Good.
33:35I'm glad you're out.
33:37What?
33:40You've been out for like a month and a half now?
33:44And like, it's still the same.
33:46It's the same song and dance every day.
33:49Yeah.
33:50And I feel like what my heart wants,
33:54it's to like obviously work on a chance with us like for our family.
34:02But nothing's changing.
34:05So I'm like, I think you're exhausted.
34:07I'm exhausted.
34:08There's really no other answers other than like,
34:11I feel like taking a good step back.
34:20And I hate to say it, but it's the truth.
34:22Like...
34:26Yeah.
34:50I mean, for me, I don't want anything or anyone else.
34:56I still want you.
34:58I still want my family.
35:01But like, I don't think nothing changes if nothing changes.
35:05Yeah.
35:08I think it's just really hard because we've both come from very broken places.
35:12We've both hurt each other tremendously in many ways.
35:17And I know I have tons of things that are so hard for me to just work through.
35:23Our situation is like the worst situation ever.
35:27Every pain point Taylor has, I am someone that activates that for her.
35:34It's hard because I've never loved anyone more than I have Taylor.
35:38But the best thing I can do is give her space.
35:42And for me, my whole focus right now is to just be the best dad.
35:47I want him to have a really happy life,
35:49regardless if me and Taylor are ever together or not.
35:52I guess the next thing would be ever.
35:56Are you wanting to still do the night situation?
35:59Yeah, I'll just keep him all night.
36:01Okay, yeah.
36:03See, that's the part that makes this so hard.
36:07I mean, it's part of co-parenting.
36:08Yeah.
36:10It's the worst thing ever.
36:11Yeah, I just, yeah, I've never...
36:18Yeah, I've never experienced it though, so.
36:22Yeah, tell.
36:23Yeah, I think it's just hard because he's so young.
36:25I know.
36:31It's really hard to imagine a life without Dakota.
36:35It would be like, it'd be another loss for me.
36:39But there is like just a cycle of fight all day,
36:43and then he'll come over and then we'll sleep together.
36:46And then there's like love.
36:47But the cycle is more toxic than good days.
36:56I do love Dakota.
36:58And so it's not something I want to give up,
37:00but I do feel like it's the best thing for us.
37:09Oh, you're okay, you're okay.
37:24Oh my gosh, so freaking cute.
37:29Here, maybe?
37:29She's a fairy.
37:31Obviously the conversation with Mikaela didn't go well.
37:34I'm striking out of the game right now.
37:36But I'm so excited to celebrate baby Billy.
37:40It's going to be great.
37:42Oh my gosh, so freaking cute.
37:44What is this?
37:44I don't know what the bunnies are for.
37:46I just like wanted people to be able to go and hold a bunny.
37:49Oh my gosh, Whitney.
37:52Because I have Billy with me,
37:54I knew that everybody was going to want to hold him,
37:56but I didn't want that to happen.
37:58So I was like, hey, like here's something cute
38:00and fuzzy and cuddly that you can hold to get that fix.
38:05Bunnies stink.
38:07No, it's fine.
38:12Oh, I love it.
38:15How are you?
38:15Good.
38:16I know, isn't it so cute?
38:17I know, isn't it so beautiful?
38:18Hey, I love this.
38:19I know, there's like a little flower bar.
38:21We've got the balloons.
38:23And I love this.
38:24This is cute.
38:25I know, I feel like a little fairy.
38:26I could barely breathe in this dress,
38:28but this is the best I've ever felt,
38:30like with all my pregnancies.
38:31Oh, Connor did get a vasectomy today.
38:34He's dead.
38:36No.
38:36I'm curious to know if they show up.
38:38Yeah, I don't know.
38:39Like Demi and Jessie and...
38:41Yeah.
38:41I don't think Michaela's going to come.
38:43I mean, I'd be shocked if Layla and Taylor didn't come.
38:44I mean, no, Miranda's coming because we just talked.
38:46I don't know if Layla's going to be...
38:48She was the one who wrote the note
38:49saying that I was fake or something.
38:52How did you find that out?
38:53Macy told me that.
38:55Yeah, Layla was the one who wrote the confession.
38:59I feel bummed about it,
39:01but at the same time,
39:03I don't think her intention was to tear me down.
39:06I think her intention was to still be included in the group
39:10because some of the most vocal girls,
39:13Demi and Jessie,
39:14were having these opinions about me.
39:16I'm so done with them,
39:17and I'm done going to Jay-Z Styles too.
39:21Well, damn.
39:23Yeah.
39:30Hello, guys.
39:32Right now, my focus is being the best version of myself,
39:36and so I decided to come to Whitney's baby shower
39:40because even though she didn't support me at my baby shower,
39:43I don't think I have to be petty back
39:45and be like, I'm not going to come to yours.
39:47The other girls didn't want to come,
39:48and I feel like they did that to be petty.
39:52Honestly, it's true.
39:55Hello.
39:55Hello, Whitney.
39:57You look so beautiful.
39:59Today is Whitney's baby shower,
40:00and I'm going to go support her, be a good friend
40:02because that's what I would want in a friendship.
40:05Thanks for coming.
40:06Granted, I didn't get that in return in the past,
40:08but I think we're trying to take steps forward
40:11and kind of move forward in our friendship.
40:13Hey, guys.
40:14I want to welcome you, though,
40:16officially to Whitney's baby shower.
40:19And Billie's.
40:20And Billie's.
40:22Babies are such a blessing from God,
40:26and we are so happy that you're all here
40:29to celebrate with us.
40:31Thanks for coming.
40:31We love you guys.
40:32Yes.
40:33And enjoy.
40:36I'm so happy with the women that did show up.
40:39I'm loving seeing Macy here.
40:40Hopefully, we can just leave the past behind us.
40:42I'm not surprised that Taylor showed up
40:44because I felt like we were rekindling that relationship,
40:47so I'd be pissed if she didn't show up.
40:49I would have had my mom call her and say,
40:52why aren't you here?
40:53I want to hear about all the girl drama, actually.
40:56Oh, it's been a lot.
40:57I don't know anything.
40:58Dude, I'm switching up to do something.
40:59Some squinting.
41:09You're cool.
41:11Hello.
41:12Good, how are you?
41:15Hi.
41:15So cute.
41:16I love you.
41:18We're going to a little fall dinner tonight
41:20over at Jordan and Jessie's,
41:22and we're having a little hibachi night.
41:24This trumps a baby shower all day long.
41:27Hello.
41:28Hi.
41:29Are you alone?
41:30Yeah.
41:31Wait, what?
41:32That's so sad.
41:32Came to practice.
41:34I know.
41:35Everyone's at the baby shower but us.
41:37I know.
41:37So this is like the rebellion.
41:39Wait, you guys don't want to go and support?
41:41I mean.
41:42I mean, support what?
41:44The baby's here.
41:47I don't regret not showing up to Whitney's baby shower
41:50because I feel like she invited the group
41:52as a whole as a formality,
41:53and she also knows we're still on rocky ground.
41:56So I'm good to Whitney in situations
41:58where we're doing things as a group,
42:00but I don't think I owe it to her
42:01to go to a baby shower quite yet.
42:03All right, you guys all like fire, right?
42:05Yes.
42:09All right, are you guys ready to start
42:10catching shrimp in your mouth?
42:11Yes, sir.
42:12We'll go to you first.
42:13Okay.
42:14This isn't a representation of how I am with my mouth.
42:18Demetria.
42:19Demetria.
42:20All right, you ready?
42:21Yeah.
42:26Okay, standing up.
42:30Oh, cute.
42:32I'm ready.
42:38Did you even open your mouth?
42:40Layla took that shrimp like a beast straight to the forehead,
42:44nowhere near her mouth,
42:45and her tongue's out,
42:46and her mouth's open,
42:48and she's like,
42:49uh, her splat.
42:51Hilarious.
42:52I wonder what they're doing at Whitney's shower.
42:54Probably like milking cows.
42:56Taylor, you want a bunny?
42:58I don't like bunnies.
42:59You can go hold a bunny.
43:02I think mine peed.
43:04I don't mind Whitney at this point, honestly.
43:07It's Jen.
43:09No, yeah, Jen's my new Whitney.
43:11It's my new Roman Empire.
43:12There's this many people who have had lies.
43:15It's not an isolated situation.
43:16It's like, no, this lie, this lie, this lie.
43:18At what point are you just not gonna look like a liar?
43:22They're so outlandish, the lies,
43:23and they're so specific, too.
43:25It's so weird.
43:26Apparently, Jen said that Jordan had his tiny dick all over her.
43:30No, he didn't, first of all.
43:32But also, where's this hostility coming from?
43:35What could possibly have switched so quickly
43:39with one little Chippendales performance
43:41that you consented to?
43:43I'm just preparing for whatever happened with Jesse
43:46to happen to me.
43:48She is brave to go on this trip, in my opinion,
43:50because it's like, Layla has issues with her.
43:52I have issues with her.
43:53You guys have issues with her.
43:54It makes sense that her and Whitney are the ones
43:56that are getting close, though.
43:57Yeah, it does.
43:58They're the only ones that can.
43:59Like I said, the delusion likes company.
44:02It's really hard to catch me at a loss for words,
44:04but I was completely shocked after my argument with Jen
44:07because the accusations she was throwing
44:10were just crazy to me.
44:11Like, if this is an invitation to swing,
44:13the answer is no.
44:14First of all, Zach would not be my first choice
44:16in this group of husbands.
44:18Second of all, I did have a situation
44:20in a past relationship, and it did involve swinging,
44:24but that was way in my past
44:26and something I shared with her in confidence,
44:28and it just kind of shows me
44:29that she's willing to throw daggers
44:31when she feels backed into a corner.
44:33I don't know if this is a defense mechanism of Jen's,
44:35but I don't want anything to do with a friend like that.
44:38Like, it's bleeding into our friend group
44:39and to mom talk,
44:41and that's where it's not okay for me.
44:43Wait, Jen, what's your issue with Jesse and Demi?
44:46The Chief and Del is like kind of a sensitive topic.
44:50I'm just like, what was your intention?
44:52I mean, I asked Jesse this.
44:53I'm like, when have I intentionally ever tried to hurt him?
44:57So what's your issue with Demi then?
44:59Yes.
45:01Some things went down in Italy.
45:02Like, I'll just straight up say it.
45:04Like, she was literally playing truth or dare
45:06with a ton of single men.
45:08Did she kiss them?
45:10One of them kissed her on the cheek.
45:13I called her out for it.
45:16She gave me crap for it.
45:18You think I'm going to have your back and stick up for you
45:21when you know you screwed up?
45:23I do feel like Demi sits on her high horse
45:25and looks down at all of us.
45:27A lot of what she does is trashy.
45:28So what else is trashy that I do then,
45:30since a lot of it is?
45:31Well, I mean, the whole swinging thing was trashy.
45:33We got that down.
45:34What else?
45:35That whole era of your life.
45:37I'm also not going to defend Chase in anything,
45:39but I do feel like Demi did throw Chase
45:42touching her out of proportion.
45:44Your girlfriend's literally crying and just left.
45:47Like, that's probably...
45:48Where's your husband?
45:49He's upstairs.
45:50Don't touch me again.
45:52Brett!
45:52He just laid his hands on me.
45:54What the hell?
45:55Yeah.
45:55She's always prying at us and our issues.
45:57And it's like, you actually don't share
45:59a damn thing about your life.
46:00So, I mean, I would like you to open that lens
46:02and let's see what yours looks like.
46:04So you feel like they were like coming at you
46:06in your marriage?
46:07Yeah.
46:07So you ask her about the confession
46:09that Macy got with her and Brett?
46:11Wait, what?
46:12What?
46:14I didn't know if Macy told you
46:15she got a confession about Demi and Brett.
46:18It said Brett slept with me while Demi was away.
46:20It said, I slept with Demi's husband last year
46:22while she was away.
46:24Like, yeah, that's not true.
46:25Demi doesn't go a day away from Brett, so...
46:26Besides the girls trip we did in June.
46:29It's the ones you never expect
46:30and that's why it's crazy.
46:32That is true.
46:35Wait, Brett was sleeping with someone
46:37when Demi was away?
46:38Yes.
46:40Now, where I have an issue
46:42is when she's asking me for truth.
46:44Let's talk about you and your husband.
46:47That's messy.
46:48That's messy.
46:49I feel for Jen because it's like
46:51if people are digging and messing
46:52with her relationship,
46:53she has every right to have a backbone
46:55and fight back.
46:56So I probably feel the same way.
46:58I just am so dreading the minute
47:00Jen tries to come out of the grenades.
47:02I know she's gonna do it.
47:03She's gonna come at you for the fake thing.
47:05Let her.
47:06I have nothing to hide.
47:07She's gonna make herself look dumb.
47:09If she comes in below the belt,
47:10I will absolutely dominate her.
47:12I will make her look like such a fool.
47:14Between all the different opinions
47:16and people taking sides,
47:18I just can't see this going any other way
47:21but a pure bloodbath.
47:22I am absolutely packing extra super tampons.
47:26She's disgusting.
47:28I don't want to be associated with her.
47:29I'm like, you have no idea what's coming for you.
47:32Going into this girls trip,
47:33Mikaela and I are worse than when we started.
47:36Jesse and Jen definitely
47:37don't need to be in a room together.
47:38Demi needs to be very careful about calling people out
47:40because we all know she's got skeletons in her closet.
47:43All I know is shit is definitely
47:45gonna go down at this girl's trip.
47:47Wow, this will be great to be all together.
47:49Yikes, yikes, yikes, yikes.
48:03Oh, no, she's fine.
48:04Okay.
48:08Almost said I love you.
48:09Well, I do, but you know what I'm saying.
48:11Yeah.
48:13It's time for Mormon girls gone wild.
48:16We're gonna play target and see roulette.
48:19No.
48:20Question of the day, where's Jen?
48:24Jen likes to put on a facade that she's always happy.
48:26She cries like every day and it's 90% related to the girls.
48:30Demi has skeletons in her closet.
48:32Does Jen know there's skeletons?
48:35All right, you guys, I have a surprise.
48:37Another truth box.
48:39Dear God.
48:40I was there in Italy.
48:42I saw everything.
48:43Why would you be talking to him that much?
48:45It doesn't add up to me.
48:46I feel like Demi is trying to break the soul of mom talk.
48:50I've also been told that you think you deserve the biggest brand deal.
48:53It's not a shock that I was a fan favorite.
48:56I just think you're a fake.
48:57Am I the only one that cares about loyalty?
49:01Taylor, why do you think we're preying on your downfall?
49:04Because look at the two girls it is.
49:05She's a disgusting human being.
49:07You're just a selfish bitch.
49:09She needs help.
49:10She needs to go be a fucking mom and she does not get my sympathy anymore.
49:15If Taylor's in, I'm out.