The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 2 Episode 2
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00:00I just feel like convenient timing, it all feels weird.
00:03Long story short, why now?
00:07The number one thing that held me back
00:09was because I wanted to work out my marriage.
00:11And so I feel like now, I am ready to own up to things.
00:16Miranda, she was a swinger.
00:18She was very much involved in the whole situation.
00:20But Miranda and Chase, her husband, during the time
00:23denied everything and tried to make
00:25Taylor to look like a villain.
00:26And so that's why I feel like we all
00:28have a hard time with Miranda.
00:29I definitely think Miranda sees how well MomTalk is doing.
00:33And now she's just coming on back,
00:34even though she hasn't talked to any of us for like 2
00:37and 1⁄2 years.
00:38It doesn't feel like the intention's pure.
00:39I don't ever think the intention ever will feel pure.
00:42I don't think I have any intention of us
00:43all hanging out in group settings every single weekend.
00:45I believe you.
00:47I trust your intentions.
00:49I know that's not, it's hard conversations to have.
00:53I don't think one single part of me
00:54wants to hear what Whitney has to say.
00:56I don't really give a shit.
00:57She's not even part of the group.
00:58MomTalk is my chosen family, and I've
01:00become more protective over it.
01:02So ideally, I would love for Whitney and Miranda
01:05to link up and leave all of us alone.
01:07Girl can dream.
01:09I think it's just when it's all put out there,
01:11and it's like he said, she said.
01:12It's like, OK, well, who's lying to us?
01:13Like, we just don't, no one wants to be lied to,
01:15I think is the problem.
01:16I wasn't ready to own anything.
01:18Like, the reason I never even brought up the whole, like,
01:20kissing thing and initially, like, wanted to deny that
01:22is because it's still freaking weird.
01:24That wasn't something I wanted to continue doing, right?
01:26This is, like, awkward to talk about,
01:28like, with the church and, like, family and everything.
01:30Like, it still was shameful and uncomfortable to bring up.
01:36I have, like, animosity, I think,
01:38with us because I felt, like, very left by you.
01:41We were like sisters.
01:42I feel like you thought maybe I was leading Chase on when I've
01:46never, like, chased a day in my life, and he knows that,
01:48and that's why he hates me and is obsessed.
01:50But I told him about a dream.
01:53I feel like Miranda thinks I led Chase on while they were still
01:55married because I told him that I had, like,
01:58a sex dream about him, and honestly,
02:00I didn't think anything of it.
02:01Because of what we were doing, that seemed so mild to me.
02:04Like, a sex dream?
02:05What to do?
02:06I really didn't think a dream was
02:08a big deal considering we're making out with each other
02:10and touching each other on the weekends.
02:13It felt like it just, like, opened up a space for him
02:16to feel comfortable to say things to you.
02:18Shortly after I told Chase about the sex dream,
02:20Chase came to me at the gym and told me
02:24that he had feelings for me.
02:26And basically, that was him, like, trying to open a door.
02:28And I was like, I, like, am flattered and I appreciate it,
02:30but I do not feel the same.
02:32It just felt very hurtful that, like,
02:33you were telling everyone in our friend group,
02:35but you never told me.
02:36Yeah, that is my bad.
02:37I was being a bad friend of, like,
02:39not immediately going to you and be like,
02:40this is what your husband said,
02:42but I knew I would lose you that day.
02:46It was hard just because it was also, I mean,
02:47I was, like, four months postpartum.
02:49I know.
02:50And then I was also, like,
02:55I lost my best friend, dude.
02:57Yeah.
02:59I don't think you'd think about the fact that I cared,
03:02but I cared.
03:03Like, it hurt a lot.
03:05I just never wanted you to know, because I was so mad.
03:07Yeah.
03:08And I completely understand the husband thing,
03:11because I feel like as a best friend,
03:12you owe that to your best friend to tell him no matter what.
03:15And that's where I went bad, and I know that.
03:17I appreciate that.
03:19We were so inexperienced.
03:21There was no way that we could have
03:22been so inexperienced.
03:24There was no bound, there was no discussion.
03:26So lines were blurred.
03:28The girls have this resentment towards her,
03:31and they all stuck by my back.
03:33So it's like almost as I should have
03:34that resentment as well.
03:35However, they don't know the extent of the situation.
03:39I think they forget I was also a villain in that story.
03:42There will be a conversation between Miranda and I.
03:45Without everyone, I would love that.
03:46It's just me and her.
03:48I've always wanted to get past this,
03:50but I was in a very different place.
03:53There was so much that I literally
03:56did not have it in me to face.
03:59I'm proud of you both.
04:00Just to be able to sit in the same room
04:03and have this conversation,
04:04no matter how it goes and how you move forward.
04:07I guess I never really considered the fact
04:09that Taylor and Miranda were really good friends
04:11before all the fallout happened.
04:13And I could understand why Miranda would miss that
04:15and feel like she's longing for a place
04:18and them kind of longing to be friends again.
04:22It's been a hell of a couple of years, huh?
04:24Yes, it's been awful.
04:26I was telling them I've become a lot more softer
04:28than I was.
04:29Really?
04:30I feel like I can see that.
04:31Yeah, it's made me soft.
04:32And I think we're just more empathetic
04:33because I feel like when people are struggling,
04:35Whitney, for example, has been destroyed on the internet.
04:39And I felt nothing but empathy for her
04:41because yes, you might've made a lot of your own decisions
04:44and pissed a lot of people off.
04:46But I've been in your place
04:48and when you're kicked while you're down,
04:50freaking sucks and it can make you go insane.
04:53I'm trying to make amends with all of these women.
04:57What we learn in the church is to open our heart, forgive.
05:00Everyone's being cordial,
05:01but I can feel I'm not necessarily wanted here right now.
05:04So it's really nice to have Taylor sticking up for me.
05:07I feel like these little steps are being taken.
05:11I'm really hoping the momentum
05:12and the growth that we're making doesn't stop.
05:15Everyone's like, Whitney freaking hates you, Taylor.
05:17Whatever, but I just want people to know
05:19that I've been there at the fucking bottom,
05:22kicked, and it sucks.
05:24Well, I don't hate you, but I appreciate that.
05:28Just wanted everyone in the room to know that too.
05:31Taylor's preaching tonight.
05:32I love it.
05:33Amen.
05:34Hallelujah.
05:35Get her a name tag.
05:37Just kidding.
05:39I'm kind of confused because I feel like we still
05:42didn't get to the bottom of this swinging scandal tonight.
05:44Miranda skirted around the issue a lot.
05:47I'm throwing a Halloween party next week.
05:48So I think I need to expand my guest list.
05:51Miranda's ex-husband Chase is dating my friend.
05:53So not only am I going to invite him,
05:55I invited Miranda too.
05:57I think that trust is everything in friendships.
05:59And if we don't have trust in mom talk,
06:00we don't have anything.
06:01And I think we'll be able to tell who's lying and who's not
06:04if we get them in the same room.
06:07I'm glad we had a little icebreaker sesh
06:10before your party.
06:11Ooh, it's exciting.
06:13When is that again?
06:14Next week.
06:15Oh, okay.
06:16Let's go.
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07:03Suspect is a multi-millionaire but still orders a kids' meal
07:05at every restaurant.
07:14This is so me.
07:15It's so you.
07:15Like, oh, wait, these ones are cute, too, like the denim.
07:17No, I love the denim.
07:19Hello!
07:20McKay!
07:21Hello!
07:22Look how cute you look!
07:25I'm super excited for the Halloween party,
07:27and I really need to find a costume.
07:29That's actually so cute.
07:30I really want that.
07:31And now I'm divorced.
07:32I just got my body redone.
07:34I want to show it off.
07:35I'm also dating somebody new right now.
07:38Cameron is a soccer coach.
07:39He was raised Mormon, and his dad is a bishop.
07:43Me and him have been together for about four months now.
07:46He seriously is the best.
07:47He sees me.
07:48He loves me in ways that I didn't think that anyone could love me,
07:51and I feel confident in myself for the first time in a really long time.
07:56Hello!
07:57Hi!
07:58You guys are all the same vibe.
08:00I, like, went total opposite.
08:02I kind of want to try these.
08:03We need some for stagecoach.
08:04Yeah.
08:05Wait, Jen's going to stagecoach, right?
08:07I don't know.
08:08How is she doing?
08:09Taylor was saying Jen told her that Zach was planning on moving back in their house
08:13and working things out because he's a changed man.
08:16A changed man.
08:17I think it just breaks my heart because it's like,
08:19I just don't know how much better it can get from that.
08:21And maybe, like, he really has changed,
08:23but I just feel like he's shown his true character, and, like, I don't know.
08:27How would you feel if he went to a Magic Mike concert?
08:30Being divorced and taking care of two kids would be kind of tough,
08:33so I guess you make the decision.
08:35She had me read their entire thread.
08:37I'm done with you.
08:38I'm done with our marriage.
08:40I'm done.
08:41You're disgusting.
08:42He said, I don't love you anymore.
08:43I don't love you.
08:44When it's that bad where, like, you're telling your spouse you don't love them.
08:48No, it's crazy behavior.
08:49You're a bad mom, whatever.
08:50Like, there's not many success stories of it's better than ever after that low of a look.
08:54Yeah.
08:55I think women tend to put up with a lot more in their marriages in the Mormon church
08:59because it is frowned upon to get divorced.
09:01Maybe there's a little bit of that playing in with Jen and Zach's relationship.
09:05Jen said it was a trial period.
09:07Oh, what does that mean?
09:08They're just going to test out the waters, I guess, and see if he's actually changed.
09:12And then if not, I'm like, they're going to kick him out again.
09:36Got one.
09:37Got one.
09:38There you go.
09:39Whoa.
09:40Damn.
09:41Oh, nice, dude.
09:42You see that one?
09:43Yeah, I did.
09:44I can see why you guys do this.
09:46It's relaxing, isn't it?
09:48Yeah, dude.
09:49That's why I do it.
09:50I'm from Idaho, so I, like, love fly fishing.
09:53It's like therapy for me.
09:55Oh, shit.
09:56Shit.
09:57With everything that's going on with Taylor, I just wanted to hang out with my friends
10:02and just, like, clear my head.
10:04And we're just trying to chill.
10:05So, Dakota, what's going on with you and Taylor now?
10:07Yeah, things have been, like, super rough.
10:10But, like, I get why, like, everything I did, like, hurt her 10 times more.
10:14I just screwed up.
10:15Like, I freaking lied.
10:16I don't know, dude.
10:17I just feel for my son.
10:19I've never been a dad.
10:20It's, like, the most important thing ever to me in my life right now.
10:23And I feel like I'm, like, losing that.
10:26Oh, freak.
10:29Co-parenting and living alone.
10:31Fuck.
10:32Like, just trying to navigate all this.
10:35That's been challenging for me.
10:37I messed up.
10:38And I wish I could go back and change that because I love Taylor more than anyone.
10:42That's where I have to come in and start showing her I want to make things right.
10:47I want to fix this.
10:49And I'm willing to do whatever it takes.
10:53But I do feel like Taylor's parents have been there for me, even with our situation right now.
10:57Like, Leanne just invited me to a barbecue at her place this weekend.
11:01If you could come for dinner, that would be great.
11:05I appreciate you inviting me.
11:06Jer and I both wanted to sit down with you.
11:08Are you going to be here?
11:10Yeah, Jeremy, I'll be there.
11:12You better, pussy.
11:17Hey, Zach, you just barely moved back?
11:19Yeah, like, five days ago.
11:21Have you liked being back so far?
11:23Yeah, it's been good.
11:25We've been doing ketamine therapy together.
11:27You're kidding me.
11:28Yeah, more than anything, I'm just back to support Jen.
11:31So, like, the whole Chippendale thing, how would you have operated differently?
11:35What I did was wrong.
11:36And, like, I have to live with the repercussions of that the rest of my life.
11:40It's just been a good time for me to, like, look inside and kind of see what changes I need to make.
11:46Oh, shit.
11:47Sorry, Zach, give me just a second.
11:49This is some bullshit I'm dealing with.
11:51Are you guys still going to church and everything?
11:54I'm not currently going, no.
11:56Jen still wants to go, and I think eventually we will.
11:59Interesting.
12:00Okay, so that's more from your side.
12:02Yeah, it's 100% me.
12:03Wait, whoa, that is crazy, dude.
12:05I feel not accepted.
12:06I also feel honestly embarrassed.
12:08We've had, like, a couple nasty interactions with people.
12:11At church?
12:12Yeah.
12:13Dude, that's, like, exactly what I had to go through.
12:15I get death threats from women all the time.
12:17Yeah, I probably had 50 to 100 DMs saying, like, you deserve to die.
12:21Like, if I saw you in person, I'd kill you.
12:23Jeez.
12:24You know, if you have, like, a good relationship with God and you're trying to figure it out with him, I don't think anything else matters.
12:28100%?
12:29Yeah.
12:31I really like all the husbands.
12:32We have a weird bond.
12:33We kind of all are in a similar situation.
12:36Sometimes it's nice to be with them and just, like, vent to each other about, like, the wives.
12:40Jen asked me to give Jesse and Demi an apology.
12:43Probably won't be the funnest conversation, but for us to heal in our marriage, I think it needs to happen.
12:49I'm just hoping to move past this whole situation.
12:52So, how come all the Utah boys are catching fish and the Idaho boy—
12:55I already caught—dude, I had a couple on.
12:57Oh, I didn't see it.
12:58Yeah, I caught one and then—oh, shit.
13:03The guy's pouring his guts out, hasn't caught one fish.
13:05You know I can't multitask, dude.
13:20Okay.
13:21Let's do this.
13:22I've never been up against someone's husband, so—
13:24I know.
13:25This is a new feeling.
13:26This is so interesting.
13:27Give me Whitney all day every day, but this is different.
13:30Apparently, Jen has asked Zach to meet with me and Demi.
13:32I definitely feel like they're better off apart, but I guess if this is going to help Jen, I'm all for it.
13:38So, I'm curious to see how this goes.
13:41Jen told me that it was, like, after a ketamine session that he's like,
13:46He's like, I need to meet with my Lord and Savior.
13:48I don't know, I just feel—
13:50Jesse!
13:51His Lord and Savior, us.
13:54We are.
14:00I'm nervous going into this conversation with Demi and Jesse.
14:03They can both be very aggressive.
14:05I don't know if they're going to accept me.
14:07I don't know if they're going to accept me.
14:09I don't know if they're going to accept me.
14:11I don't know if they're going to accept me.
14:13They can both be very aggressive.
14:14I don't know if they're going to accept my apology, but I want to show Jen how much I support her.
14:19And I feel like whoever Jen decides to be friends with, I want her to feel that support.
14:22But yeah, they spread a lot of rumors and lies about me.
14:24For that reason, I'm a little bit scared about how this conversation is going to go.
14:30Are we ready to do this?
14:31All right, girl power.
14:33Power to the pussy.
14:37Hello.
14:38Hi, guys.
14:39How are you?
14:40Good.
14:41Good to see you.
14:42Thanks for coming, guys.
14:43Thanks for having us.
14:44We were so surprised you chose the coffee shop.
14:45This feels like a business meeting.
14:46I know.
14:47It does.
14:48I know.
14:49I was like, it kind of feels like an interview.
14:50It does.
14:51Two against one.
14:52You're like, what are your good qualities?
14:53What do you struggle with?
14:54We know what you struggle with, but just kidding.
14:56Thanks, Jesse.
14:57I appreciate that.
14:58But thank you guys for coming.
14:59I mean, I feel like there's been some weird contention and things ever since Vegas.
15:04I said some super hurtful things to Jen.
15:08Gambling and then complaining about Chippendales is like, I look like the biggest hypocrite
15:11in the world.
15:12Yeah.
15:13I could have easily just been like, hey, I'm bummed out.
15:14But like, I get you were having fun.
15:15You were being a supportive friend.
15:16And I didn't.
15:17And I regret that.
15:18Yes.
15:19I'm grateful for what you guys said.
15:20Honestly, like, it has been, like, transformative for our marriage.
15:25Because then, like, it's helped us have some of the hardest conversations we've ever had.
15:29What is going on right now?
15:31He is doing a full 180.
15:33And I was not expecting this at all.
15:36I just wanted to address with you, Demi.
15:37Watching it back, I was like, damn.
15:40Like, she was talking major shit on me.
15:42Major truth, not shit.
15:44Just calling out the behavior.
15:46That's all.
15:47Some things.
15:48Like, for example, you said I gambled my medical school tuition.
15:50Just so you know, that's a blatant lie.
15:51Well, that came from Jen, though.
15:52We were told this.
15:53Jen told us that the night before when I was reading the text.
15:56I don't want to throw Jen into this because I just want to take accountability.
15:59Well, is that true or false?
16:01That is 100% a blatant lie.
16:05I would have never just made that up or, like, brought that up if I didn't think that that was the truth.
16:10And that also goes into what we thought about you.
16:12Because we have been told certain things.
16:14So that kind of just played into the mindset we had when it comes to you.
16:17I think what scares me is when she's like, he has to learn.
16:20He can't be a narcissist.
16:21And we're like, what?
16:22Like, she just uses language that's a little scary.
16:25I have never seen anyone take accountability like he has.
16:32Especially having those narcissistic traits that he carries.
16:35Because a lot of times it's not just environmental.
16:37It's, like, passed down genetically.
16:41To me, I guess I thought those were conversations you were having.
16:44Yeah, I thought that was pretty harsh coming from your partner.
16:48I don't feel like that's who I am.
16:50And that's, like, not who I want to be.
16:53There's always been an element of Jen where I don't fully trust what she's saying.
16:56I feel like not a lot of it is sincere or genuine.
16:59And I blamed it on the relationship.
17:01She's not sure what to say or how to say it because how Zach will react.
17:04But now that I'm hearing these things, I'm like, is she just not trustworthy as a person?
17:08Does she not like confrontation?
17:09And she doesn't like to make people upset.
17:11So she tells everyone what they want to hear.
17:13I'm really, really confused.
17:15She's expressed to me that you guys were so there that night.
17:20But then no one in the group has been there since.
17:23That's what pisses me off.
17:24Because I have texted her.
17:25I have texted her.
17:26I can show you.
17:27I love you.
17:28She doesn't respond.
17:29She doesn't respond to us.
17:30I've tried.
17:31So for her to say that, it sucks.
17:32I only have Jen's perspective.
17:33I don't know what you guys have or haven't done.
17:35And obviously, I'm going to take, like, my wife's side.
17:37Because, like, that's what I'm supposed to do.
17:38For sure.
17:39It sounds like a pattern.
17:40We've only had Jen's perspective, too, on you.
17:42And it seems like it's not matching up, which is concerning.
17:45Things are adding up when it comes to Jen.
17:47It sounds like she is spinning things in her favor.
17:50Like, she's playing both sides.
17:51And I don't like that.
17:52If it turns out that the things that Zach is saying is true,
17:56then she absolutely needs to be held accountable for that.
17:59It sounds like I have some tough conversations I need to have with my own wife.
18:03Yeah.
18:27Oh, my gosh.
18:37Hello.
18:38Oh!
18:40You look so cute.
18:41Oh, hey, buddy.
18:43Look at his little eyes.
18:44Wait, I want him.
18:46Now we just need Dakota to show up.
18:51Did you know he was coming?
18:52Did I tell you?
18:53I don't know.
18:55I don't care.
18:56Yes, you do care.
18:57Yeah, you do.
18:58Because you would have already been gone if you didn't care.
19:00Ever since Jenna and finding out everything I have, I feel like I am really struggling.
19:06Dakota and I, we have lack of communication, and it's affecting our co-parenting.
19:11But it's hard because my parents really want us to give our all before we say we quit.
19:17So what are you going to be for Halloween?
19:19Oh, I am Gretchen Wieners.
19:23Oh, from Mean Girls?
19:24Yeah.
19:25Are you a slutty Gretchen?
19:27Or are you going to be just...
19:29I'm a cat, so I'm pretty covered.
19:31So pretty boring.
19:35So who's all going to the party?
19:37I wish I could go.
19:38So you can be friend Chase and talk to him?
19:40Yeah, I don't know why you like Chase.
19:42They're nice to me.
19:43Why should I be mean to anybody that's not nice?
19:45I like everybody.
19:46Because they treated your daughter like shit.
19:47I don't understand.
19:49My mom's a real estate agent, and she was Chase and Miranda's realtor when they were still married.
19:54And for some reason, she will always stay in touch with them.
19:56It's just, I'm not surprised either, because she's always his way.
19:59Do you care that I talk to Chase or Miranda?
20:01I don't have the capacity to be worrying about that type of shit when I have my own shit, you know?
20:09TAYLOR
20:17My goal is always to be with Taylor.
20:20To have our family together.
20:22And I think the only way to have a lasting relationship is you have to get really good at forgiving each other and not go backwards.
20:29I want to, like, truly try to go forward.
20:32Hello?
20:33Who is it?
20:34You know who it is.
20:35Oh, for hell's sakes.
20:37Your favorite friend.
20:38Oh, well, there's the big guy.
20:41Hi.
20:45Hi, Brynn.
20:46Hi.
20:47Taylor.
20:48Hi.
20:49Oh, Everett, don't touch the corn.
20:50Okay, I guess Everett's going to touch the corn.
20:52Oh, we're doing it down there.
20:54Oh, I thought it was out here.
20:56Okay.
20:57I'm going to go take these in.
20:58Let me go take something down there.
20:59You want to grab that corn so bad, don't you?
21:02You want to grab the cookies, one of you?
21:04Yeah.
21:08Does anybody want any corn?
21:10I'm good right now, thank you, though.
21:18You're just so quiet.
21:19Like, you're just so closed off.
21:21I'm at loss for words.
21:22You guys were together, and then not together, and then what's today?
21:26What's today looking like, I guess?
21:28I don't know.
21:29It's just so exhausting going back and forth, back and forth, on, off.
21:33It's not good.
21:34We're all tired of it.
21:35Like, really.
21:36It's obvious.
21:37You guys started your relationship on a foundation of shit.
21:40Yeah.
21:41I agree.
21:42Be honest.
21:43You didn't heal from your divorce.
21:44You had a ton of baggage.
21:46It's hard because you guys have a damn kid now.
21:48Yeah.
21:50I always cry at these things, too.
21:53Actually, I am.
21:54Shows you're a good human.
21:58Look, a relationship isn't 50-50.
22:01It's 100% on both ends.
22:03It feels like there's a little bit lacking on one end.
22:08It's going to take me a while to get there.
22:09I hear he slept with another girl.
22:10He admitted it.
22:11I was so sad that I needed space.
22:13He went and hooked up with Jenna that very night, I found out, and was bawling my eyes out.
22:18During the time when I slept with the girl, I hung with Taylor three times or two times.
22:22Two nights after that, he goes,
22:24And Taylor, you're pretty much the only girl I'm seeing.
22:26I'm trash to him.
22:27You come over the next night, fuck me,
22:30and then you go and you hang out with another girl,
22:32and then he comes the next night and fucks me again.
22:36I wasn't lying to you about someone else.
22:38Here's the thing, I'm going to be blunt, freaking honest.
22:41Shit.
22:42He just told me that you guys had seen each other three times.
22:45I don't know Taylor.
22:46Before all this.
22:47And then you're sitting there telling me that he came over and had sex with you?
22:51What does that say about you?
22:55I'm not pointing fingers.
22:58That's what I'm saying.
22:59I'm saying I was trash.
23:02I know.
23:03No, no, no.
23:04I'm saying that.
23:07I guess what I'm hearing is you deserve what you got,
23:10because you gave it up so easily.
23:12That's what I hear.
23:13And when you hear your parents say that,
23:15why were you expecting to be respected?
23:18It hurts.
23:22It just confirms my insecurities and my beliefs about myself.
23:25No, I'm saying.
23:26You're not trash.
23:27You're not leaving.
23:29No self-respect.
23:30I hate me.
23:31What I'm saying.
23:32Let me finish.
23:34Let me finish.
23:37You guys both had so much baggage.
23:41Because I know.
23:42I know I didn't have self-respect.
23:44It doesn't change that when you lie,
23:46you go hook up with another girl while you're apologizing.
23:49I know, but you're supposed to give the other person the benefit of the doubt.
23:52I just found all these outlines that I was fucked over.
23:56And no one is saying, oh, get over it right now.
23:58Well, stop saying.
23:59No, you can't say it.
24:00Sacrifice it just for a little bit.
24:02He was asking her to hang out in the day, and I was only nights.
24:05I was only nights.
24:06This is driving me nuts when she's saying this shit.
24:08That's the biggest lie I've ever seen in my life,
24:10and I'm not going to let you keep saying that lie to me.
24:12You did.
24:13Stop saying that lie to me, because that is not true.
24:16And when you're asking me to come over at night all the time,
24:20what is that telling me as a guy?
24:22Why did I have to ask that?
24:25Because I've already told you, Taylor,
24:27you're forgetting that I'm coming from a very broken place, too.
24:30That matters.
24:31You can't just disregard the shit that I just went through
24:34and where I was at in my life here.
24:36Okay, but you knowing that,
24:37then don't come into my life and pretend to be the future of me.
24:39So why did you want to come into my life?
24:40Oh, my God.
24:41Taylor, give an inch so he can walk a mile.
24:43Just give fucking two inches of sacrifice and see what he can do.
24:50Why are you guys all coming at me?
24:52I feel very unheard, judged, like, let's move on.
24:58Let's get over it.
24:59And I'm like, in what world am I supposed to just let this go?
25:04You guys, it takes a season to grow anything.
25:07I just think that you need to forgive yourself.
25:09That's where it all comes down to,
25:12because you guys weren't really together to me.
25:15And yes, you shouldn't have slept with him.
25:17And that's why we always tell you, like,
25:19that's not the fucking point.
25:22He lied, yes, that is so wrong.
25:24That's crazy at all.
25:25But you weren't together.
25:26So what are you saying right now?
25:27What does that mean to you?
25:28I'm just saying.
25:29So what are you saying?
25:30You need to go through therapy and give him some grace.
25:34If you love him, then it's worth trying.
25:37Family is something that I strongly believe in.
25:39That's exactly my whole point.
25:41I have still chose to stick through this and try to figure this out.
25:46You know it too, and that's why it drives me nuts,
25:48that's why it drives me nuts,
25:49is because you do know how much I care and love you, Taylor.
25:52Dude, I have a child with you.
25:54All I've wanted is a family.
25:56Why do I want to come here and blast this to the wind?
25:58Then don't come.
25:59Okay, okay.
26:00Who wants to do that?
26:01Stop.
26:02You guys are not going anywhere.
26:03Honestly, I think you guys need to be separated and stay separated.
26:06You need to work.
26:07Focus on you.
26:08You need to keep going to therapy,
26:10and you need to give yourself grace.
26:13You carry so much guilt with your kids and what happened.
26:16Now you have Ever,
26:17and he can feel tension in the house when you guys are together.
26:20100%.
26:21You can tell, and you need to do what's best for him,
26:23and I'm sorry, it's staying separated right now.
26:29If God really did send him to you,
26:31he will bring him back to you.
26:33It's you and Satan in your own head,
26:35and it's eating you alive.
26:37Put it in God's hands,
26:38because I honestly think it'll blossom after.
26:40I think I was punished for what I did.
26:43Oh my gosh, Taylor.
26:44No, I think it was,
26:45I'm going to let you feel what you did to somebody.
26:48No.
26:49God is not like that.
26:50I didn't cheat on you.
26:51I'm sorry, but God is not like that.
26:52Betrayal.
26:53It is betrayal,
26:54but I don't think that we're getting anywhere right now.
26:57I have to work in the morning, so.
26:59So get out.
27:00No, not get out, but let's,
27:03if we can say a prayer,
27:04since we didn't pray before we ate.
27:08Dear Congressional Assembly Father,
27:10we're so grateful for this night.
27:12We're grateful to have Dakota and Taylor
27:15be able to try to figure things out.
27:21And please bless that they can love one another,
27:24and we're grateful for our family.
27:27Sometimes we don't all get along,
27:29but we're grateful,
27:31and I say this in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.
27:36As angry and mad as I am,
27:38shutting the door is just not going to happen right now.
27:43I feel like I still obviously have
27:46lots of feelings towards him.
27:51I do love Dakota.
27:53That's why I'm in so much pain.
28:12For you getting high off the drama,
28:14don't make me dial your mama.
28:25It's important for me that Zach makes peace
28:27with Jesse and Demi,
28:29because I feel like a lot of the resentment
28:32they have towards me is actually
28:34because of the resentment they have towards Zach.
28:38Hi, babe.
28:39Hi, how did it go?
28:42That was a little rough.
28:44Oh, no.
28:45You want to come sit right here?
28:47So, they were basically like,
28:50Zach, the reason we have such negative feelings towards you
28:53is every time we're with Jen,
28:55all it is is negativity.
28:57All she says is how horrible you are,
29:00how narcissistic you are.
29:01You're kidding me right now.
29:03And I clarified a lot of lies and things
29:05that had been said about me,
29:06and they're like, well, that's what we had heard.
29:08I haven't really talked to them at all since Vegas.
29:11In fact, they've never even reached out to me.
29:13So, they also called you out for that.
29:15So, let me just...
29:16Called me out.
29:17Yes.
29:18Didn't feel like it was like a,
29:20hey, how do we squash our beef to then support Jen?
29:23It kind of felt like it was everyone...
29:26Not...
29:27Against Zach.
29:28No, against you, to be honest.
29:30Against me.
29:31It just bums me out, sweetie,
29:33because I've made mistakes.
29:34That being said, it's like,
29:36I'm so careful with my friends about the way,
29:39like, because there's negative things that you do,
29:42but I would never tell, like,
29:43Colin or Jackson are my best buddies, these things,
29:45because I don't want them to have this one-sided opinion.
29:47I don't want to vent to them about my marriage.
29:49All I've done since Vegas is defend you
29:51on social media, with my friends.
29:54At the same time,
29:55I'm also not defending your actions.
29:57But I have defended you and our relationship
30:01more times than you can even count.
30:03And do you know how many people have made me feel
30:05like delusional for doing that?
30:08And the crap that I've been through
30:10for defending you and your actions?
30:12If you don't trust them,
30:14then please don't go share
30:17all the negativity about our marriage.
30:19I mean, the fact that they're saying that
30:22makes me so...
30:23Wait, you're not listening to me.
30:25Let me speak.
30:26You spoke for five minutes.
30:27Hear me out.
30:28Will I admit that there are times
30:30I talked negatively about you before Vegas?
30:33Yes.
30:34They said it's continued.
30:35No.
30:36No, in fact,
30:37they haven't been a part of my life after Vegas.
30:39I'm definitely triggered
30:41because Zach went there to apologize in the first place,
30:44and now it's turned back on me.
30:46I need to have a conversation with the girls
30:48because I feel like if they truly valued me as a friend,
30:51they wouldn't be turning my husband against me.
30:53I just want to squash everything
30:55and get to the bottom of all of this.
30:58I would be happy to sit down with you and them.
31:02Yeah.
31:03I want to be straightforward about everything,
31:04and I don't want to be playing telephone.
31:06I want everyone in the room.
31:07That's what it felt like,
31:08is a lot of he said, she said.
31:09And I'm not playing the he said, she said anymore,
31:11and I think it would be best if we were all in the same room.
31:34So I kind of thought
31:35this could be like a centerpiece for food.
31:37That'll be cute.
31:38Are you amped?
31:39I'm nervous.
31:40Look how cute.
31:41Spooky.
31:42That's going to go out front, right?
31:44Yeah.
31:45Oh, they're here.
31:47Hello.
31:48We just let ourselves in.
31:49Welcome to our home.
31:50Jordan and I are having a Halloween party,
31:52and we are having Brett and Demi over today.
31:54We had this idea to surprise everyone
31:56with a Chippendales performance starring Brett and Jordan.
31:59I think it's a chance for Zach
32:01to show that he's really changed
32:03and to just embrace this and be able to move forward.
32:06I mean, do you think this ends good?
32:08I know you're saying it's a coin flip,
32:09but what's your premonition to that?
32:11I don't know.
32:12They're like, stop yapping.
32:13For his sake, I hope, obviously, that he reacts...
32:15Normally.
32:16...as though he's evolved.
32:17Do you think you're a little bit of a pusher?
32:19I think I'm a therapist.
32:20It's going to be crazy, though,
32:21like getting everyone in one room.
32:23I heard that you're inviting Kate.
32:25Is she bringing Chase?
32:27I think so.
32:28Jesse inviting Chase to the Halloween party is so messy
32:32because everyone has literally hooked up with everyone.
32:35We had Taylor, who was married to her ex-husband.
32:38They swung with Miranda and Chase.
32:41Chase fell in love with Taylor,
32:43but Taylor didn't reciprocate those same feelings for Chase,
32:47so Chase got butt hurt,
32:49and he's been bashing her online ever since.
32:51Now, Chase is dating one of Jesse's friends, Kate,
32:55but also Layla and Chase hooked up,
32:58so this is just going to end so bad.
33:00I'm nervous about it.
33:02In a normal world,
33:03I would never put these people together in one room,
33:05but how else are we going to get to the bottom
33:07of Miranda's involvement in the swinging scandal?
33:09Like, if you want to come back into MomTalk,
33:11you have to be willing to tell the truth.
33:16Oh, my gosh, he's here, you guys.
33:17One of you broke out into a dance right now.
33:19How's it going, you guys? How's it going?
33:20Good. Jordan.
33:21Jason.
33:22Jason, nice to meet you.
33:23Brett.
33:24I think I oiled you up at one point.
33:26Yeah, there was a little bit of that backstage.
33:28We've flown in an actual host of Chippendales.
33:33He's going to teach them not only a choreographed dance,
33:36but be there with them in the performance.
33:38Brett is going to look so sexy.
33:41We might need to implement this at home.
33:43Can you guys take off your shirts for this?
33:45Yeah, I think we need the shirts off.
33:47Oh, boy.
33:48Just giving a little tease.
33:50And then a no, no, no.
33:51No, no, no.
33:54Yeah, you got to roll with it.
33:55Yeah, I like that.
33:56Oh, I don't like that.
33:57Yeah.
34:00So Jen's going to be the guest of honor.
34:02She'll be right here.
34:03We're going to give Jen the full Chippendales experience,
34:06and it's not the full experience
34:07if she doesn't get a lap dance, right?
34:09Time to go higher.
34:11Row, row.
34:16Next.
34:17You got to get ready.
34:18I guess I'm going in for this, too, then.
34:21Just let it go.
34:22And then you have to kiss her all again.
34:28That was incredible.
34:29I think that's good.
34:30And then after that, then it can just be like freestyle
34:32for a second and have fun with it, right?
34:33Yeah.
34:34Oh, boy.
34:35I'm kind of nervous.
34:37This is either going to be the best Halloween party ever
34:39or the worst.
34:42I think you guys did a great job.
34:43We need a lot more practice.
34:44I mean.
34:53Hi, guys.
34:54Welcome in.
34:55We have our jammies and newborn in this first cubby.
34:58So you guys look around.
34:59You already see something.
35:00Look at the little bats.
35:01It's so cute.
35:03Oh, my God.
35:04It's adorable.
35:05Tomorrow.
35:08Look at the ghosts.
35:09I like the bats more.
35:10OK.
35:11With everyone in Mom Talk,
35:12it's clear that there's still some drama, animosity.
35:16There's tension right now.
35:18So you're still thinking it's a boy?
35:19Yes.
35:20I still think it's a girl.
35:21But lucky me.
35:22I can't afford being involved in any big drama anymore.
35:25Saved by the baby.
35:27God bless.
35:29Good luck tomorrow.
35:31We'll be praying for you.
35:33See you later.
35:35Oh, they're here.
35:36I am sweating.
35:37It's like really not any of our business,
35:38but we've been brought into it.
35:39I know.
35:40No, that's what I feel like right now.
35:41That's what sucks.
35:42I'm like, I'm going to throw up.
35:43Like I shouldn't be in this conversation.
35:44I know.
35:45Today, Jen and Zac are coming over.
35:46Jen unexpectedly reached out to me.
35:47She is so excited.
35:48She's like, you know, I'm like, I'm down.
35:49I'm down.
35:50I'm down.
35:51I'm down.
35:52I'm down.
35:53I'm down.
35:54I'm down.
35:55I'm down.
35:56I'm down.
35:57I'm down.
35:58I'm down.
35:59I'm down.
36:00I'm down.
36:01I'm down.
36:02I'm down.
36:03unexpectedly reached out to Demi and I,
36:05and I'm wondering if it's about our conversation with Zach.
36:09I only have Jen's perspective.
36:10I don't know what you guys have or haven't done.
36:12Sounds like a pattern.
36:13We've only had Jen's perspective too on you,
36:15and it seems like it's not matching up.
36:17I think all of us left confused
36:19and wondering what the truth was
36:21because Jen's telling him one thing and us another.
36:24Between Miranda and Jen,
36:25we seem to be dealing with so many lies and mom talk lately,
36:28and that's not a good feeling.
36:30You gonna wait for me?
36:32Sorry, I'm not wasting time.
36:35Okay.
36:36Do we wave?
36:37What's the vibe?
36:38This is so comfy.
36:39I hate it.
36:40I'm not looking.
36:41I hate it.
36:41I hate it.
36:42Hi.
36:43Hi.
36:44Hi.
36:45You look cute outfit.
36:46You look all dressy.
36:47It definitely hurt hearing that Jessie and Demi
36:50were talking negatively about me to my husband.
36:54It makes me question if they're really on my side
36:57and if they really support me as a friend.
36:59If they have an issue with me,
37:00I would like them to confront that.
37:04Where is everyone at now?
37:05I just told Jen the truth.
37:06I told her, yeah, the girls basically said,
37:09when you're with them, you're talking bad about me.
37:12I guess we could just start there.
37:13Do you feel like you've only heard negative from me?
37:15Because I feel like the past six months,
37:17all I've talked about is the progress that we've made.
37:19I mean, I've had moments where I've confided in you
37:21because I trust you,
37:22but my truth is our relationship is up and down.
37:25I don't feel like it's correct for you to say
37:29that all I've ever said was negative things.
37:33It's interesting to me that Jen is so upset
37:35with the involvement of everyone in her marriage
37:38when she was the one that brought everyone
37:40into her marriage and into those problems.
37:43We definitely still have our tough days
37:45where we just aren't on the same page.
37:47He just started questioning me and my character.
37:50It's just so frustrating.
37:53This could be the difference between us
37:55either breaking generational trauma or me leaving him.
38:00You are putting all of this out to the world
38:01and then you're getting upset when we have opinions.
38:04Our opinion is being formed by what we're hearing
38:06is what we were saying.
38:07I was being told that you gambled money
38:08that was being given to you by family,
38:10which apparently is not true,
38:12which I would like clarification on that
38:14because I would have never said that
38:15if that wasn't told to me.
38:16Yeah, he, I mean, maybe you want to clarify.
38:20That I, babe, okay.
38:22I mean, we can get into that if that's what you want,
38:24but I would appreciate if you would just tell them the truth
38:27and that is not the truth.
38:31No, he didn't gamble money that his parents sent us.
38:34Had I gambled money behind Jen's back?
38:36Yes.
38:37And had I sports bet behind her back?
38:39I think I had clarified.
38:40I don't remember telling you.
38:41What the fuck, Jen?
38:43Zach didn't gamble away the money
38:45that was given to him for medical school?
38:47That was a big reason why we all were so worried about her
38:51and her relationship.
38:52I don't even know what to believe right now.
38:55But if you had the right intentions,
38:58you wouldn't have then continued to talk bad
39:00about my relationship.
39:03Every conversation we have, am I not,
39:05trust your gut, do what's best for you.
39:08Am I ever like, leave his ass, he's a horrible person.
39:11I'm majority of the time, team, figure it out.
39:15Team, marriage, yes or no.
39:17I know from your guys' perspective,
39:18you think you guys have been good friends to Jen,
39:20but in her reality, she doesn't feel that way.
39:23I didn't feel like anyone was there for me.
39:25I sent you a text that said,
39:27I have a feeling that I should check in on you right now.
39:28I love you.
39:29I hope you're doing okay.
39:30I also sent you a voice memo and said, I love you.
39:32I hope you're doing okay.
39:33And you kind of like ghost us.
39:35Like you don't really.
39:36I disagree because after Vegas.
39:37You can't disagree, it's a fact.
39:38I checked in on you, Jen.
39:40Jen, I literally, oh my God.
39:42I am gonna lose my mind.
39:46I have reached out to her multiple times.
39:47I've sent her voice memos, texts.
39:49She would respond to me like four or five days later,
39:51just like, thanks, love you.
39:53So to say I wasn't there is a lie.
39:56You chose to remove yourself.
39:57But rightfully so, because I confided with you
40:01as a friend that I trusted.
40:02I didn't expect that you were going to
40:03then exploit this information.
40:05And then you told the whole group.
40:07And then it was the whole group against me.
40:09How could I turn to you after that?
40:11If you had come to me, because you have,
40:13after Italy, you did come to me
40:15and I could easily talk about that,
40:16which I'm not going to.
40:17About what?
40:19Just everything that happened in Italy.
40:21What happened in Italy?
40:23Well, just how after Italy, Brett was crying to you and.
40:27No, he wasn't.
40:29Was he at the hotel room?
40:30He was like, you have nothing to worry about.
40:33Some of the girls and I took a trip to Italy
40:35to go to Vanderpump Villa.
40:37And one of the guys specifically, Marciano,
40:39was like super flirtatious.
40:41And I felt like I handled it the best that I could.
40:44Truly did nothing wrong.
40:45I genuinely feel like Jen is just grasping at straws.
40:48I feel like she almost like wants me to be in trouble
40:50or for there to be an issue with me and Brett.
40:53And the issue is not there.
40:55She's trying to just hide behind what's going on with her
40:58and all of the lies that she's telling
41:00that are coming to light
41:01and try to take the heat off of her.
41:05Jen, I'm not coming at your husband just to come at him.
41:08It's because I've been in a situation like this
41:10and I'm trying to be there for you because I love you.
41:13For so long, I was team Jen against Zach.
41:16And now Jen's showing erratic behavior and starting to lie
41:19and showing what kind of friend she is.
41:21And I don't think that's good for mom talk.
41:23I think there's a lot of things
41:24this group needs to deal with.
41:30♪♪♪
41:33♪♪♪
41:36♪♪♪
41:39♪♪♪
41:42♪♪♪
41:45Okay, here comes mom.
41:46I got this outfit.
41:48Is this supposed to be like a naughty nurse or something?
41:50Yes, it's supposed to be naughty, but like it's...
41:52I'm literally, like, if I let go of this,
41:54like, this whole thing is going to come down.
41:56You have always told me that your fantasy
41:58was for me to dress up as a doctor.
41:59So I see what you're going for.
42:02After talking to Jesse and Demi,
42:04I don't know where my friendship stands with them
42:07and if I can trust them.
42:09Oh my gosh, this is too good.
42:11But I'm definitely not going to let that stop me
42:12from going to the Halloween party.
42:14Hopefully we can just have a good time.
42:18Do you have any others?
42:19Um...
42:21This is your Halloween party,
42:22so I'm just going to be there to support.
42:24J-Lo and Ben Affleck.
42:26He is your second cousin, so like...
42:29No, he's not.
42:29Yes.
42:31Yes.
42:31Okay, if that's what you want to keep telling people.
42:34I mean, that's what your family told me.
42:36That is not true, though.
42:37Yes, it is true.
42:39Okay.
42:40I think the whole Ben Affleck thing is hilarious.
42:42I feel like if anyone was related to Ben Affleck,
42:44that's something they'd imagine.
42:46With Zach, he's just trying to squash it,
42:50even though his family did tell me that.
42:52What do you mean you're not related?
42:54Why are you sitting like this is a face-off?
42:56Because it is a face-off.
42:57You're not going to make me feel stupid.
42:59I'm not going to get into this.
43:00If that's what you were...
43:01Wait a second.
43:01You're not going to make me feel stupid
43:03when that's all I've been told from your family.
43:05I had told you for months.
43:07Do you...
43:07But do you truly know if that's true or not?
43:09No, and I never claimed that either, babe.
43:11I told you...
43:12But have you heard that from your family?
43:14Are you going to let me speak or not?
43:15No. Have you heard that from your family, yes or no?
43:17I've heard that as a joke.
43:19As... No, not as a joke.
43:19No one's ever claimed to have some relationship with him
43:22besides you, babe.
43:23How do you jokingly say that to someone
43:25when they're being married into a family?
43:28I have no idea if I am or am not related to Ben Affleck.
43:32And that had been like a running joke in my family.
43:35It had never been something serious.
43:36And so when Jen started telling people that,
43:39I did tell her,
43:40I don't think you should say that anymore.
43:42I think that's probably going to backfire.
43:44Your grandpa was like,
43:45yes, like we have met them before,
43:47like a long time ago when he was little or something.
43:49I had also heard that.
43:51You were there.
43:52I had heard that.
43:53So then don't make me feel crazy.
43:54I'm not making you feel crazy.
43:55I'm just saying you ran with it when I said...
43:57Of course I ran with that.
43:58I'm second cousins with Ben Affleck.
44:01You're not.
44:01Or maybe you are. I don't know.
44:03We don't know.
44:04I feel like this is Jen's battle
44:05and I guess I'll just leave that for Jen
44:08to share her perspective.
44:11But I'm excited for the Halloween party.
44:13I want to show Jen how much I support her.
44:16Even though I don't fully trust Demi and Jessie,
44:18I'm just going to move forward
44:20knowing where everyone stands.
44:22Anyways, back to the Halloween costume.
44:24I think that's what we should be for Halloween.
44:25How are you feeling about tonight?
44:27With Demi and Jessie?
44:30I'm going to these parties to support you
44:33and this is a group that you want to be associated with.
44:36Therefore, I'm going to be there and be positive.
44:38The conversation with them was tough.
44:41But again, I don't want to continue
44:43to do this with them.
44:43I'm trying to leave this up to you.
44:45It's your decision to decide if they're good friends or not.
45:07Do I look like J-Lo?
45:09Nice.
45:10Do you like it?
45:10I like it.
45:12You look so good.
45:14You look like Ben Affleck.
45:15Oh my gosh.
45:16This looks so good.
45:19So tonight's the Halloween party.
45:20I'm really excited to have everyone over to my new home.
45:23Jordan and I decided to dress up as Ben Affleck and J-Lo.
45:27Jen and Zach are probably not going
45:29to be too happy about this.
45:30But how was I supposed to know we
45:31were going to have a big fight before the party?
45:33Ha, ha, ha, ha.
45:38I cannot.
45:40You look so hot.
45:42I'm so freaked out.
45:45You look so good.
45:48I'm super excited because I'm bringing
45:49my boyfriend, Cameron, tonight.
45:50This is the first time he's going
45:51to be around all of mom talk.
45:53And I'm really excited for him to kind of just get
45:54integrated into the group.
45:56Come get a drink.
45:57We have food.
45:57We have soda.
45:59Hello.
46:01Thank you for coming.
46:02You guys look so good.
46:05Dakota just texted me.
46:06He's almost here.
46:07Are they coming together?
46:08They got a huge fight last night.
46:09No.
46:10So then he called Dakota.
46:12Well, shit, dude, you know how it is.
46:14Like, I mean, when she's pissed off, dude, she's pissed off.
46:16It's not super enjoyable for me to be around her
46:19when she's angry.
46:20Well, don't be around her.
46:21It's a big party.
46:23You guys have a baby together.
46:24You could be at a party together.
46:25Like, come on.
46:26They need to grow the hell up.
46:32Taylor's here.
46:33Taylor's here.
46:34Taylor's coming in.
46:36You look so hot.
46:38So do you.
46:39Do you know who I am?
46:40Let me see.
46:41Look at me and him together.
46:42Am I an idiot?
46:43J-Lo and Ben Affleck.
46:46You're kidding.
46:47We're going to roast Jen and Zach.
46:48You assholes.
46:54Hello.
46:58This is unreal.
47:03Is your ass out?
47:05Woo!
47:06Dang!
47:07Woo!
47:08You know Dakota's coming, right?
47:10It's just funny because I, like, I knew
47:12he was going to come regardless.
47:14Really?
47:14You did?
47:15Then also he told him.
47:16There's no way he's not coming.
47:17Well, I'm like, Chase is coming.
47:19I don't know what Jessie was thinking,
47:21but she invited Dakota, Miranda, and Chase, her ex-husband.
47:25These are people that I am not getting along with,
47:27haven't gotten along with.
47:28So I feel like this is going to be miserable.
47:30All I see is chaos.
47:32My friend who's dating Chase, she was like,
47:34I tried to test him.
47:35And I was like, oh, I'm really nervous.
47:37I don't think we should go.
47:37He's like, no, we have to go.
47:39Like, he wants to come so bad.
47:40He's such a freak.
47:46I am so glad that I got invited to Jessie's Halloween party.
47:49I just think that it's another opportunity for me
47:52to connect with everyone and hopefully
47:54deepen those relationships.
47:55Maybe if I'm lucky, I can get in the good graces of these girls
47:58and potentially be back in long time.
48:04Oh, Jenny's back right there.
48:06Oh, yeah.
48:07Hi.
48:08Hi, guys.
48:09Hi.
48:10I'm hot this way.
48:11This is hot.
48:12This is hot.
48:12Wait, so we have J-Lo and Ben Affleck,
48:15and then J-Lo and a Ben Affleck?
48:16Yes.
48:16I freaking love it.
48:19Jessie likes to start shit, clearly.
48:23I think that this is another jab at Jenna and I's expense.
48:26And I'm just not really sure why she feels the need to do that.
48:31Dakota!
48:32Dakota!
48:33School bus!
48:37What is he?
48:38He's a bus?
48:39He's the bus.
48:40He's a school bus.
48:41He's a school bus.
48:42I don't get it.
48:43Yeah.
48:43I had the brilliant idea for Dakota to be the bus
48:46that hits Regina George.
48:50Excuse me.
48:51I'm sick.
48:51Have you seen Dakota yet?
48:53No.
48:54He's here.
48:55Is he?
48:55He can come say hi to me.
48:56He can come to you.
48:57Yeah, I don't go to them.
48:58Don't bring him over here.
49:01Who's going to come in next?
49:02I'm stressed.
49:03I'm on edge.
49:03I'm getting, like, anxious.
49:05No, it's safe.
49:06I really don't know why Jessie decided
49:08to invite all these people.
49:10Because we have all the former swingers in the same room.
49:13It's just going to be a shit show.
49:14I have a feeling that it's going to be bad.
49:17Chase is coming in.
49:17Chase is coming in.
49:19Oh, wait.
49:20And Dakota's right there by the door.
49:22Oh.
49:23I don't like this.
49:24I have a feeling that stuff is about to go down tonight.
49:28I just see your best friend's here.
49:29Hey, your best friend's pulling up.
49:34If you see me coming, I'm about to get a start.
49:37Oh, I'm so excited.
49:39I can't.
49:40You look so good, Shaylee.
49:42It's perfect.
49:43Your house is beautiful.
49:44It's a surprise.
49:45I'm so excited.
49:46That's what I am.
49:47I just came as me.
49:47I knew it.
49:49I knew it.
49:49No, this is iconic.
49:50This is so good.
49:52Don't look.
49:53I know.
49:53Don't look.
49:54I'm not.
49:55There's a douche bag behind you.
49:57How many?
49:58A lot.
50:01Chase is my ex-husband.
50:03And Kate is his girlfriend.
50:05She's great.
50:06I love her.
50:06I have a good relationship with Chase as well.
50:09But do I want him here at this party?
50:11No.
50:12Go, go, go, go like an animal.
50:16Hey, Dakota.
50:17What's up, bro?
50:18Oh, shit.
50:20What's up, dude?
50:21What's up?
50:22How you doing?
50:23Dude, how are you?
50:24Good, how are you?
50:24Who walks up to me?
50:26Chase.
50:27Comes up and gives me a hug.
50:29I thought it was weird.
50:30But Taylor's already pissed at me.
50:32So I'm trying to be cordial with everyone tonight
50:34and not cause problems.
50:36And so this is the first time where I was like, OK,
50:39I'm going to be like super nice.
50:40How's being a dad?
50:41Dude, the best thing ever.
50:43Bro, seriously, it's the coolest experience
50:45I've ever had in my life.
50:47Is anything happening back there?
50:48Like, who's talking to who?
50:50No, they're fully talking.
50:51Who, Dakota and Chase?
50:52Dakota and Chase are fully talking.
50:53I don't know what they're saying.
50:54What are they saying?
50:54Look at them.
50:55No, they're like giggling.
50:55They're giggling.
50:56They're laughing.
50:57They're like giggling.
50:57That's what this song's about.
50:59Dude, I don't know what Taylor thinks.
51:01But at the end of the day, like, I don't get
51:02why we fucking hate each other.
51:04Did you ask Taylor, though, if I ever fucked her?
51:06Because the answer is no.
51:06Yeah, I know.
51:07And anything happen outside of spin the bottle?
51:09No.
51:10I know.
51:10Everyone in the world thinks I fuck her.
51:12I know.
51:12This is sugary.
51:19When Taylor first went online, I hadn't
51:21told my parents at this point.
51:22And again, I'm a returned missionary, married in a temple.
51:25So I hadn't told them that I had left the church.
51:27Yeah.
51:27So for us, it was like, oh, deny, deny, deny.
51:29Yeah.
51:30And if I could go back, dude, I'd
51:31change that 10 out of 10 times.
51:32Right.
51:32And I wish that's what I could tell Taylor and her family.
51:34It's like, look, I wasn't trying to hit on you.
51:36Yeah.
51:37But the cheating situation was only you.
51:40Chase, he is, like, pointing and, like, talking.
51:43Like, I can just tell he's, like, talking about me.
51:45He keeps pointing at me.
51:46Like, it's triggering.
51:47And I'm livid.
51:48Jessie, wait.
51:49That's me.
51:49Excuse me.
51:50Down here to the right.
51:50Sorry.
51:50Uh-oh.
51:51Because they were pointing at her.
51:53Yeah.
51:54I would feel it, too.
51:55Was lying.
51:56What's up?
51:57Hi.
51:57What are you guys talking about over here?
51:58How are you doing?
51:58We're talking about everything.
51:59But you're pointing at me, so.
52:00Oh, he was saying.
52:01Because we're talking about you.
52:02Good thing.
52:02So what are you talking about?
52:04The whole thing.
52:04Yeah.
52:05OK, I'll let Chase say it then.
52:07Yeah, I was saying, at the end of the day,
52:08when people ask me about you and my opinion of you,
52:11I say 98% of my interactions with Taylor
52:13are extremely positive.
52:15Aspen, your mom, your dad, I fucking love.
52:19I love you guys.
52:20But also, you bring up the lowest point of my life.
52:23So I, in return, bring up the lowest point of yours.
52:25What was your lowest point?
52:26What was your lowest point?
52:27When you announced that we were swingers to the whole universe.
52:30That's your lowest point of your life?
52:31Are you sure?
52:32Yeah.
52:34Look at her turning her head, too, dude.
52:35How do you know what she's like, in case she's like, eh?
52:38What do you think's lower than that?
52:40I won't say it, for your sake.
52:41Well, don't bring it up, and then not say it to me.
52:43I'll do whatever the fuck I want.
52:44I know, I'm just saying.
52:45Don't tell me what to do.
52:46Maybe we should go stand over there.
52:48I actually haven't gotten a drink yet.
52:51Let me explain that.
52:52I want to hear that, too.
52:52No, go.
52:53Hey.
52:53Go.
52:54I want to hear that.
52:54Hey, Alex, I want to hear that.
52:56Like, they're, like, heated.
52:58Are we doing all truth for truth right now?
53:00Are we doing truth for truth?
53:01Go for it.
53:02Did you tell me at the gym you had a sex dream about me?
53:04Yeah.
53:04OK, say that right there.
53:05Hey.
53:06They already know that.
53:07I've already talked about that.
53:08I had a sex dream.
53:08Oh, I'm glad.
53:09It took two and a half years to bring that up.
53:10Anything else?
53:11Anything else?
53:11Why did it take two and a half years?
53:13It didn't.
53:14What did you tell me at the gym?
53:15What did I tell you at the gym?
53:16Yeah, what did you tell me at the gym?
53:17I said that I also had a sex dream.
53:19No.
53:20No, OK, let's do truth for truth.
53:21How fucking awkward this is for me right now.
53:23Tell me what you told me at the gym.
53:24That's exactly what I told you.
53:26Are you sure?
53:27We're not doing truth for truth, then.
53:28There you go.
53:29Look at him.
53:29Look at him.
53:29You can tell he's lying.
53:30Did you or not?
53:31No, I never said that.
53:32That whole thing.
53:33OK, you can just tell he's lying right there.
53:34Dude, I do.
53:35I feel like he just lied right there.
53:36I'm not lying.
53:37Why didn't you tell him the truth?
53:39Jordan and Jesse and Demi and Brett went upstairs.
53:42What do we?
53:43OK, guys, change.
53:44Hurry.
53:45How are we feeling?
53:46What's?
53:47Absolutely terrified, but just going to lean into it
53:50like you've never seen before.
53:51Guys, I'm like nervously like getting.
53:53Why am I nervous?
53:54Because there's a lot going on down there.
53:56There's a lot going on.
53:57I told you what happened at the gym.
53:58I already told you that.
53:59You just said a sex dream.
53:59That's not true.
54:00Yes, that is true.
54:03And I'll tell you what else happened, too.
54:05What do you mean listen to a lie?
54:07I'm not trying to listen to anything.
54:09This is a thing.
54:09This is for the internet.
54:10I'm just saying.
54:11I'm trying to just let him talk to you.
54:13I'm not a part of this.
54:15One, two.
54:18So stop making it seem like.
54:20I was out of nowhere.
54:21Taylor, I just found out about that
54:22freaking two weeks ago, a month ago.
54:25You never told me that.
54:27Oh, you never told her that?
54:28That's crazy.
54:29No, she left that out, too.
54:31Who said are you on, Dakota?
54:33I don't care if you believe whatever.
54:35If you're my partner, you have my back
54:37and then you discuss it at home.
54:39I feel like so betrayed.
54:40If he's saying that, then why should I not?
54:42Why would you believe him?
54:44He's yelling.
54:45That's not your fault.
54:46This is the crazy.
54:47Dakota, you just lied to your face.
54:50Taylor, I had a sexuality about you.
54:51That just came out of nowhere
54:52to your fucking lying mouth.
54:54Your boyfriend's a fucking liar.
54:55It's fucking sick.
54:57I don't know what's going on.
54:58I never said that.
54:59I want you to go home.
55:00I should be really stupid later.
55:01He just looked you in the fucking eye
55:03and said he didn't have feelings for me.
55:04You saw his face change.
55:05I'm trying to just.
55:06Wait, Taylor, isn't it crazy?
55:07Fuck you.
55:08Fuck you.
55:09You're a liar.
55:15Jesse, the police are here.
55:17No.
55:18Wait.
55:18You just touched my wife.
55:20Take ownership.
55:21Take ownership right now.
55:25What the hell is about to happen?
55:31This is our marriage.
55:31This isn't a game.
55:33I can't do this.
55:34Will you please cut the camera?
55:36I don't want to get it twisted.
55:38The height of what I was involved
55:39in was kissing people.
55:41You did do more than just kiss.
55:43Like, if you're going to come into mom talk,
55:45be open and honest.
55:46Because if you're not, I will clear the air.
55:49I just want to move on.