Richard Tice has detailed how Reform UK is taking legal action to prevent asylum seekers from being housed in hotels, following their mass victory in the recent local elections.Speaking on GB News' Camilla Tominey Show, Reform's Deputy Leader revealed the party has assembled a legal team working at no cost to challenge the practice.FULL STORY HERE.
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00:00Back. Joining me now in the studio is Richard Tice, Deputy Leader of Reform UK. Welcome.
00:04Very good morning.
00:05Let's talk about immigration. Are you going to support the Tories in their quest to disapply
00:09the Human Rights Act from immigration policy?
00:12Well, if the amendment is selected, then I would think so. But we would, frankly, we need
00:17to leave the ECHR, which of course the Tories won't do. And frankly, we should scrap the
00:22Human Rights Act and start again, which again, the Tories wouldn't do.
00:25So it's a step in the right direction. But all these things, as you quite rightly challenged,
00:29Chris Philpon, why didn't they do this when they were in office? And that's why we're
00:33doing so well in polls. That's why no one trusts them anymore.
00:36Can I just confirm, you'd definitely scrap the Human Rights Act if you were in power.
00:40Yeah, we've got to get rid of the Human Rights Act, start again, definitely leave the ECHR,
00:44which is a disaster.
00:46There's a report in the Telegraph, I believe it is, saying that reform is going to court
00:50to shut asylum hotels. How will that actually work in practice? Because people might rightly
00:55ask, well, where are you going to put asylum seekers?
00:57So we are, we've got a brilliant KC and a team of lawyers acting on a pro bono, no cost
01:03basis. They've already started work. And we will be using every possible legal lever
01:09to try to resist bringing asylum seekers, whether it's into hotels or housing in the councils
01:16we control. So for example, in Lincolnshire, where we've just won control of the council,
01:19I've got an asylum seeker hotel in Skegness. And yeah, we will be looking at every possible
01:26lever.
01:26So for example, where?
01:27Oh, very simple. The Greens and the Lib Dems are rather keen on them in their councils.
01:31So in the nice possible way, you're welcome, folks.
01:34Oh, you're going to emulate the policy of, I think it's a Texas governor, isn't it?
01:38Greg Abbott. Greg Abbott decided over in America, this is an American idea, that if you're very
01:44welcoming to migrants in Democrat areas, you're welcome to them.
01:48So are you seriously saying this?
01:50How are you going to make this work legally?
01:53Our voters have said, we don't want illegal immigration. We don't want mass uncontrolled
01:59immigration. And what they're saying to us, they've given us a mandate to do all we can
02:03in the councils that we control to stop this illegal immigration.
02:06So which areas are you going to move these migrants to?
02:08At the end of the day, that's a matter for the government. I'm just making the point.
02:12Is it workable, this Richard Tyson?
02:13I'm making the point that we will put every...
02:17No, no, you're missing the point. The point is, we resist the use of hotels and housing,
02:24and we will use a variety of levers and legal mechanisms to try to make it unlawful for them
02:31in our areas. And then it's up to the government to send them somewhere else.
02:33Are you being serious in this idea that you would like to...
02:36Deadly serious. Meetings are taking place this week.
02:38No, about moving them to migrant, welcome areas.
02:41Look, I'm just slightly teasing the Lib Dems and the Greens because they seem so keen on asylum seekers.
02:46And we can have a little bit of fun in politics, amongst all the seriousness.
02:50Indeed we can. What about tents versus hotels?
02:52Andrea Jenkins, your now colleague in Greater Lincolnshire.
02:56Well, thank heavens we're asking the question.
02:57Because actually, if smart, organised tents are suitable for British Army in places like Afghanistan,
03:04why aren't they good enough for people who've come here illegally?
03:07We should have that debate and that discussion.
03:09But Camilla, the smart thing to do...
03:10Smart and civilised tents for refugees. It doesn't quite work, does it?
03:14I mean, the reason why tents are smart and civilised when the army is in them is because these are people who sort of make their beds with hospital corners, right?
03:21Well, maybe actually...
03:22What refugee camp made of tents has ever looked smart and civilised in your experience?
03:28Well, maybe a bit of discipline and a bit of structure and a bit of fitness, it's good for all of us.
03:33So what are you saying? You're going to put asylum seekers through some kind of military camp?
03:37My real point is that we've got to process people quickly and remove them.
03:42If they've come here illegally, they should all be removed.
03:45And the other thing, of course, we've got to do is stop them crossing the Channel.
03:48This year, I suspect we're going to be 45,000 to 50,000 people.
03:51By the time of the next election, we could be looking at 150,000.
03:54And the British people are raging furious about this.
03:57So your offshore processing is going to be your deterrent?
04:00If you leave the ECHR...
04:00You're reinvigorating Rwanda.
04:02Well, you leave the ECHR and you pick up and take back, which France is legally obliged to stop them leaving their shores and they're in breach of their international duties.
04:09Are you happy with the US trade deal?
04:10Because farmers are saying it sells them out and we know you're on the side of farmers, right?
04:14We are on the side of farmers.
04:15But look, it's work in progress.
04:16But actually, let's get this in context.
04:19For example, it's a partial trade deal.
04:22It's work in progress.
04:22Actually, it's not the full-fat option.
04:26And with regard to farming, for example, it doesn't cover things like chicken.
04:30It doesn't cover things like hormone-treated beef.
04:32No, but it does cover beef.
04:33I mean, 13,000 tonnes of beef coming from the US.
04:37It's going to undercut the farmers of Aberdeen.
04:40Look at the opportunities.
04:41Indeed, Aberdeen Angus beef is some of the best beef in the world.
04:45And Americans want to buy that great beef.
04:47So we've got great export opportunities.
04:49So you're up to start with doing a good job, is it?
04:50Actually, look, credit where credit's due.
04:52Because of the Brexit opportunity, he's been able to have a trade negotiation.
04:56So he's praising himself thanks to Brexit.
04:59Funny for a man who wanted a separate referendum.
05:01Although, are you as worried as Liam Fox about the great Brexit sellout when it comes to the EU summit?
05:04Yes, I'm very worried indeed about that.
05:06And I think we've secured an extra debate on that because it's really concerning.
05:12He wants to handcuff us to a failing economic model.
05:15What conversations have you had with Jacob Rees-Mogg about defecting to reform?
05:19No.
05:19He's not ruling it out.
05:20What do you mean, none?
05:21You haven't spoken to him directly.
05:22You've just asked me a question.
05:23I've simply answered it.
05:24Do you mean you personally or reform in general?
05:26Me personally, and I suspect...
05:27No, look, Jacob...
05:28Hang on, finish that sentence.
05:30Jacob's a lovely man, but he's a loyal Conservative.
05:32Has reform...
05:33Has anyone in the reform party been discussing defection with Jacob Rees-Mogg?
05:35Not to my knowledge.
05:36No, that's not a denial.
05:38It is a denial.
05:38Not to your knowledge doesn't mean no.
05:40Well, if...
05:41No, I...
05:42Yes or no.
05:42Has anyone spoken to Jacob Rees-Mogg about defection in reform?
05:45I have not spoken, and not to my knowledge has anybody spoken...
05:48I can't speak...
05:49We've got hundreds of counsellors.
05:50They might have bumped into Jacob and had a fun chat in the pub.
05:53All right, so you're saying you haven't, but you can't rule out somebody else having
05:55had such conversations.
05:56I think I can reasonably rule it out.
05:59And can we talk as well about this extraordinary story in the Sunday Telegraph?
06:03To be fair, the paper's been taken away, but I think you're familiar with it.
06:05This police officer, he was investigated for a tweet, but then police officers took away
06:11what they regarded as Brexitee materials.
06:13That included a copy of The Spectator and a book by Douglas Murray.
06:17Well, obviously The Spectator's understandable.
06:18I mean, it's clearly a very difficult, dangerous magazine.
06:21I mean, the whole thing is outrageous.
06:22This attack on free speech.
06:23And the irony, this was a former police officer in the same county of Kent, for heaven's sake.
06:29Yes, I know.
06:30But the fact that he was arrested, I think they needed six former colleagues in Kent police
06:37for it.
06:38I mean, the whole thing is utterly...
06:39Will you put a stop to this?
06:40Of course.
06:40I mean, the Tories are committed to saying, get rid of non-crime hate incidents, policing
06:45of force.
06:45But once again, these all came in under the Tory regime, and that's why they'll never be forgiven,
06:50they'll never be forgotten.
06:51The other point that's been made is the comparative lack of policing.
06:54I've made it with regard to the Channel 4 documentary on grooming gangs.
06:58Have you seen it?
06:59I haven't.
06:59I've not actually seen that.
07:00Okay.
07:01There's a part in it where it reveals that there are TikTok groups operating, which are
07:06kind of protesting the innocence of convicted child rapists, and then referring to their
07:11victims as, excuse my French again, I've said this once already, but silly cows and bitches
07:18talking about the victims.
07:20It does beg the question, why aren't the police investigating these groups?
07:24Of course they should be.
07:24I mean, it's just outrageous.
07:26And I'm afraid the reason is because there is a cover-up going on in multiple areas, many
07:33towns, many local authorities and institutions, because people are, they are guilty of an outrageous,
07:42scandalous cover-up.
07:43So, reform are now in charge in Derbyshire, Staffordshire, North Northamptonshire.
07:49Will you hold rape gang inquiries in those councils that you're now in control of?
07:55What can you commit to here?
07:57Well, we've got to look at whatever we can legally get done in those areas.
08:03I haven't specifically got that answer today, but we are absolutely determined to try and
08:08hold these people to account.
08:09And it's extraordinary that Labour is still sort of sitting on the fence on this.
08:14Are they doing local inquiries?
08:15Are they not?
08:16Why won't they do a national inquiry?
08:17I know, but Rupert Lowe has funded a inquiry, hasn't he?
08:19But of course, the issue is it hasn't got statutory powers.
08:22And that's why I think actually the Maggie Oliver initiative of actually running private prosecutions
08:27and looking at a judicial review may be faster and smarter to try and bring some people
08:32to justice and essentially to force through a different route action and accountability.
08:37We've just got to try all of these different things to see what works.
08:41Quick question.
08:41You're not going to be campaigning for the abandonment of first past the post now, are you?
08:46No, no.
08:47We've always believed in PR.
08:48It's in the manifesto.
08:49Have you?
08:49You've always believed in PR.
08:50We've always believed in PR.
08:51Or even when you're ahead in the polls and you can win a majority without the Tories,
08:54I keep on being told.
08:54We've got the Welsh and Holyrood elections in Scotland next year.
08:58Let me just get this confirmed.
08:59And those under PR.
09:00You are going to be campaigning for proportional representation now.
09:05Look, we stick to our word.
09:06We like proportional representation.
09:08We think it's fair.
09:09There's pluses and minuses to every situation.
09:11I think you quite like first past the post now, don't you, if you're up at 31, 32 in
09:15the polls?
09:16You're teasing me on a Sunday morning.
09:17It's outrageous.
09:18I know.
09:18It's great fun.
09:19Can we talk about something very serious to finish?
09:21You've been speaking a lot in the House of Commons about the need to prescribe the IRGC,
09:26the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps.
09:29What are your concerns there?
09:30Well, I mean, we've got to prescribe the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps.
09:35They're essentially a harbour of terrorism, whether it's the Houthis, Hezbollah, and Hamas,
09:42of course.
09:43And there's no excuse.
09:44It's pathetic that the Foreign Office continues to prevent this.
09:49And we've also got suspects.
09:52I want to know the immigration status of some of these suspects have been arrested for alleged
09:57terrorism offences.
09:58What's their immigration status?
10:00How long have they been meeting?
10:01The British people need to know answers.
10:03And if you don't give information, people worry about a cover-up.
10:06All right.
10:07Richard Dice, we need to leave it there.
10:08But thank you very much for your time this morning.
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