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01:06She was very much interested in alternative therapies.
01:11Worldwide, people are fascinated by miracle cures.
01:14It's effective and everyone can work with it without a medical license.
01:20And alternative therapy can be a feeding ground for fake practitioners.
01:26I think he's delusional.
01:28I think he is a charlatan.
01:30Some self-proclaimed healers gain cult status.
01:34I would like to say to the master, you're definitely a messenger sent by God.
01:40Preying on desperately ill people across the globe.
01:44This young boy is being slapped constantly and would have no doubt been covered in bruises.
01:50He's vomiting.
01:52She was at some point screaming out in pain.
01:54It sounds like torture.
01:56Sometimes with fatal consequences.
02:00As a result of that, he was incredibly unwell.
02:03He was pale.
02:04His eyes were sunken.
02:06She was dead by the time they arrived.
02:14For all those who are concerned, please wait for the result of the report from the Australian authorities.
02:2227th of April, 2015.
02:28Sydney, Australia.
02:30Authorities are investigating the unexplained death of a six-year-old boy in a hotel room.
02:36My name's Ashley Mullaney.
02:38I'm a foreign correspondent working for an Australian TV network.
02:42When we first heard about this case, it was unusual because it looked as though there'd been a medical episode.
02:50Something that wouldn't ordinarily make the news.
02:53But then when I was asked to dig a little bit deeper, there was this slapping therapy involved and the boy had died from it.
03:02The unorthodox ancient Chinese therapy was being taught by a self-professed practitioner with a significant global following.
03:09This young boy had been taken to this clinic by his parents, by his grandmother, for treatment for type 1 diabetes and this self-styled practitioner had promised the world.
03:21Don't worry, just do it.
03:23He was claiming a 100% success rate to cure everything from cancer to diabetes and part of this treatment was encouraging patients to come off of their insulin and instead use this therapy called Pader Lajin, which translates to slapping and stretching the body.
03:42The cult leader is taken in for questioning in connection with the boy's untimely death.
03:55The police, what's the emergency?
04:0318 months later and 10,000 miles away in the UK, emergency services receive reports of a seriously ill woman at a remote residential retreat in Wiltshire.
04:15My name is Ben Southam, I'm a Senior Specialist Prosecutor with the Special Crime Division within the CPS.
04:25The emergency services were called at two o'clock in the morning.
04:31She was dead by the time they arrived.
04:36The victim has been attending a £750 five-day self-healing workshop in a secluded country house.
04:44The lady who died was 71 years of age.
04:49She was somebody who was very much interested in alternative therapies.
04:54She'd been diagnosed with diabetes in 1998.
04:57She hated needles so she was very much looking for other ways to treat her diabetes other than being injected regularly with insulin.
05:04And this was one of the therapies that she'd found and begun to explore.
05:08The victim joined 29 other followers with varying ailments on Monday, 17th of October.
05:17She was seemingly in good health.
05:20So officers are baffled that three days later, she's dead.
05:23They need to find out exactly what has gone on behind the closed doors of this retreat.
05:29She attended a workshop in something called Piedelagin.
05:34It is not only healing, it is also diagnosing.
05:38I'm Andrew Eddy.
05:39I'm a Senior Crown Prosecutor in the Complex Casework Unit working for the Wessex area of the CPS.
05:45Piedelagin, which involves the slapping and stretching, so very often with wooden panels, which has no real foundation in science or medicine really.
05:59Just keep on slapping, slapping, slapping.
06:00Participants vigorously slap their bodies, particularly joint areas and the head, to expel diseases.
06:09Then stretch by lying down on tables, on the floor or against the walls and door frames.
06:16They take part in a number of elements to these workshops.
06:20So there's the fasting, they do yoga, and then they actually do the Piedelagin exercises as well.
06:26When the police arrived, two ladies who were sharing a room with the victim explained how she became particularly unwell and how her condition deteriorated.
06:38During the fast, obviously, by its very nature, they're not eating, but they're drinking, I think it's called date tea.
06:46This obscure treatment seems very unorthodox and is contrary to the beliefs of Western medicine.
06:52My name is Dr Rob Andrews and I'm an associate professor of diabetes at the University of Exeter.
06:59We always say to people with type 1 diabetes that, to be very, very careful when they're doing fasting diets.
07:07If someone becomes unwell with diabetes, that if over a two hour period that hasn't settled, that they should be in contact with a healthcare worker.
07:17Nobody calls for medical help, and by day three, the victim's condition has worsened.
07:22Somebody had a heart attack or stroke. You don't have to call the ambulance, believe me.
07:27She was vomiting, they didn't understand what was going on. They were trying to persuade her to eat and drink, which wasn't having any effect.
07:38She was in a distressed state and they thought it wise to move the mattress onto the floor of the bedroom to make her safer because she was obviously in spasm.
07:52She must have been in agony, I should imagine, and she was at some point screaming out in pain.
07:58The victim is fighting for her life. Finally, in desperation, a member of the hotel staff dials 999, but it is too late.
08:13Sadly, she died where she was on the mattress on the floor.
08:16I think the police fairly quickly got a sense of what had gone on just from speaking to the people that were present.
08:25Suspicious, officers arrest the man leading the workshop, a US national, and take him under caution to nearby Melksham Police Station.
08:34They quickly realised that he was in charge of the seminar and therefore given that one of the people who had attended his seminar had died effectively on his watch.
08:45And obviously he was somebody who was of great interest to the police.
08:47He was a former Wall Street banker who got into alternative Chinese medicine and believed himself to be this natural healer.
08:58Someone that, you know, could encourage people to use their own body to heal themselves and rid themselves of ailments and cure everything from cancer to diabetes.
09:09He has written articles and has a YouTube channel that puts forward this alternative medicine and he runs courses around the world.
09:21This self-styled health guru is now connected to the death of two of his devotees.
09:28The six-year-old boy in Australia and the 71-year-old woman in the UK.
09:33Police begin questioning him about the victim's wellbeing since she started the retreat.
09:40He believed that she was weak because of her fasting and that no ambulance was required in the circumstances.
09:51He did encourage her to take some couscous and drink.
09:54Um, and then, um, I think he stayed with her as she fell off to sleep, uh, and then he left her.
10:04His view was that when he visited his devotee in a room on several occasions that she was suffering from what he described as a healing crisis.
10:12The effects of the paedalagine causing the toxins to be released from the body.
10:17He was actually dying.
10:19With only 48 hours to hold a self-styled paedalagine healer, officers are under immense pressure to understand the cause of death.
10:31The police interviewed a number of people who had taken part in the workshops.
10:35There was just, um, one particular lady who recalled, um, the fact that the victim had said that she'd stopped taking her insulin.
10:42It's very rare for people to stop their insulin, um, if they've got type 1 diabetes, they're not making any insulin.
10:55And in order to, to survive, they must take the insulin in any situation.
11:00So even if they become unwell and are not eating, they still must take the insulin.
11:04So very, very surprising for someone to stop.
11:07With two devotees dead while undergoing paedalagine therapy, police suspect he has breached his duty of care and his teachings have resulted in their deaths.
11:18In our workshop, all the diabetic people, they come here, number one, they stop all medication.
11:24Of those who are still doing the paedalagine, 93% stop medication, which means they took zero tablets.
11:40UK police are questioning a self-professed healer following the death of one of his devotees, a type 1 diabetic who stopped taking her insulin.
11:53He spoke at length during the course of his interview with the police, um, and his assertion effectively was that the victim knew, um, that she required insulin.
12:06It was her choice to stop taking it, um, and really he didn't feel that he had any responsibility for her death.
12:12The information that there was, uh, potential signs of him encouraging her to withdraw from her, uh, insulin and that other witnesses at the scene describe how, uh, she had stopped, uh, taking the drug and things had gone downhill for her.
12:29Unless the police and CPS can prove that he is responsible for her death, the suspect will walk free.
12:38It's crucial they understand how he has amassed so many devotees worldwide.
12:44I was educated as an economist, which totally had nothing to do with the healing stuff.
12:49At age of 40, I started my journey in search of all different healers, all natural healers.
12:55I learned from fishermen, from engineers, from farmers.
12:59I think the people that attended his workshops had a significant degree of faith in his beliefs and the benefits of Pai de la Jin.
13:08By doing so, then I have a diabetes? Do you think that will happen?
13:13He suggested that there was millions of people across the world were involved.
13:16Then he was certainly, um, zigzagging across the world giving presentations and seminars.
13:22Officers look into his healing sessions and make an astounding discovery.
13:2818 months earlier, in Australia, he'd been questioned about the death of a child with type 1 diabetes.
13:39The boy was just six years old. He was in year one at school.
13:42This was what should have been a beautiful time for this family and it ended so tragically.
13:49So, eager to make the decision.
13:51So, as part of this therapy, this self-styled practitioner had told the boy's parents to take him off insulin and he was fasting for several days.
14:01As a result of that, he was incredibly unwell. He was pale. His eyes were sunken.
14:06He was vomiting a black substance, according to his mother.
14:10So, they went to the self-styled practitioner. He simply said that it was all part of the process, all part of the body getting rid of the toxins.
14:20Despite his reassurance, the young boy's health worsens.
14:24And then his grandmother found him unresponsive and in a panic, she called out to hotel staff.
14:31When they came in, this self-styled practitioner also came in and started slapping the boy, continuing this therapy, trying to bring him back to life at that point unsuccessfully.
14:42Paramedics were called and they rushed him to hospital, but by that point, his heart had stopped beating.
14:49Officers start to see strong parallels between the cases, but can they prove they are more than just coincidence?
15:02So, while he assisted police in the early hours of this, he was proclaiming his innocence and he then chose to leave the country.
15:13As Australian police investigate the boy's death, the suspect continues zigzagging the globe, holding mass healings until he arrives in the UK.
15:22Eighteen months later, he was faced with the same situation with the victim.
15:25It happened with the boy in Australia and did exactly the same, which was absolutely nothing.
15:33Type 1 diabetes is caused by what we call an autoimmune process.
15:38So, that's the body thinking that something is foreign.
15:41So, what happens is it makes antibodies that enable it to bind onto either a tissue or a bug and destroy it.
15:50So, it makes antibodies against your pancreas, particularly your beta cells, which are the cells that produce insulin.
15:55And over time, you get destruction of those cells such that you aren't making enough insulin to control your glucose.
16:02Effective and everyone can work with it without a medical license.
16:07So, when individuals are first diagnosed with type 1 diabetes, they get a lot of education to tell about the importance of taking their insulin,
16:16that they must never stop their insulin, even if they're unwell, even if they're not eating, because of the fact that it's essential for them.
16:25With the custody deadline looming, officers continue to interview the self-professed Pai de la Jin practitioner.
16:32He only said that he had the spirit of a scientist and that was enough for a lot of people to follow him.
16:41He has no medical training and his Pai de la Jin therapy is not recognised by the Association of Traditional Chinese Medicine and Acupuncture in the UK.
16:51Type 1 diabetics have to take insulin. That's the nature of the condition. So, he knew that and the fact that she wasn't taking it should have been a concern.
17:05It's crucial to find out if the suspect has told the victim to stop taking her insulin.
17:11So, he had no interest in people's medication. He denied offering any advice as to the taking or not taking of any medication.
17:18The 48-hour custody deadline is up and the officers have no grounds to charge the self-professed healer in connection to the death in Wiltshire.
17:29The answers that he gave in interview indicate the start of his denial of any criminal liability or responsibility.
17:36Highly suspicious of his denial of any involvement in her death, police are forced to release him pending investigation.
17:45The case lies are particularly complex, particularly difficult to prosecute. Therefore, it would take them some time to build a good case against him.
18:03First, it's crucial to find out whether the lack of insulin is the sole cause of her death.
18:10The post-mortem revealed that she suffered from what's called ketoacidosis.
18:14That effectively her body had just been stalled by the fact of not having insulin and just broken down as a result of that.
18:22So, ketoacidosis is something that only tends to happen in people who've got type 1 diabetes.
18:28If you don't have enough insulin around, you can't burn the normal things that you would burn to give you energy.
18:34And what you start to do is burn fat and you produce something called ketones.
18:39And if those ketones go up very high, they can also make you acidotic.
18:43So, normally you have to keep your blood at a certain pH.
18:46If it goes below that pH, then the cells can't work properly.
18:50And you start to have problems with conscious level and eventually, if that's not treated, you can die.
18:56As the ketoacidosis progresses, the symptoms are anything but mild.
19:02The boy didn't die suddenly.
19:04The tragedy here is that there were warning signs.
19:08The alarm bells were ringing.
19:10He was sick.
19:12He was vomiting.
19:13He was lethargic.
19:14So, the first stage is that they pass a lot of urine and they get extremely thirsty.
19:19As they become dehydrated and the ketones go up, the abdomen become sensitive and they can start to get abdominal pain.
19:26It's a very severe pain that comes and goes.
19:30So, it's there and then it's gone and then it's there and then it's gone.
19:33And as the ketones go up even further, they activate the vomit centre.
19:37If people vomit for a very long time, then they can tear a bit of the oesophagus and they start bleeding.
19:44Then they get what looks like black things that they're vomiting up.
19:49As the ketones keep going up, then it starts to affect the brain.
19:52So, the first thing they'll start to notice is that coordination goes, that they can't remember words.
19:57And then eventually, they won't be able to speak and then they become unconscious.
20:01The self-styled practitioner's view was very much that what the victim was going through was just part of the paedalagin.
20:11It was part of the healing process.
20:13The sort of bad stuff, the toxins coming out of the body.
20:16And certainly, the evidence was that all the other people that were present believed what he was telling them.
20:23So, they therefore didn't think necessarily that she was seriously unwell.
20:29They just thought it was part of the actual process.
20:31But that was very much driven by what he'd been telling them about it.
20:35As the victim deteriorates, she receives no medical attention.
20:41Sadly, he did actually very little when she became unwell.
20:44He went and visited her several times.
20:47There was various options open to him.
20:50He could have tried to persuade her to take insulin.
20:53He could have called for an ambulance.
20:56He didn't do any of those things.
20:58The CPS are satisfied that the self-styled practitioner is the main suspect.
21:03But a development in the Australian case threatens to stop them in their tracks.
21:09So, this was a long, complicated investigation for officers in Australia.
21:14And it wasn't until March 2017, so two years after the boy's death, that things came to a head.
21:20New South Wales Police, working with detectives in the UK, tracked him down.
21:25It was a painstaking process.
21:27Eventually, they had enough.
21:29And they were able to bring him back to Australia to face a manslaughter charge.
21:34But while he's facing charges in Australia, he cannot be extradited back to the UK, putting a stop to the CPS charging him.
21:45Just imagine a country like China or India, if 80% of the people don't take any drugs.
21:52What a beautiful world it would be, huh?
21:55After the surgery, this lady still feels pain every day.
22:07So, she asked me what to do.
22:09I said, simple.
22:10Just slap on the scar area.
22:12Slap, slap.
22:13Fifteen minutes later, it's full of salt.
22:16The salt was poisoned blood.
22:18So, the pain is gone.
22:20The CPS are trying to build a case against a self-styled practitioner, who they believe is responsible for the death of one of his devotees at his Wiltshire Pai de la Gin retreat.
22:33He convinced people that you could rid your body of toxins by slapping your body and therefore curing these ailments.
22:41And he obviously had people under such a spell that they were prepared to give up taking their doctor's prescribed medicines.
22:50In 2017, a year into their investigation, he's exergeted back to Australia to stand trial for an identical incident that caused the death of a child in 2015.
23:05So, this self-styled practitioner was defiant throughout this entire process.
23:11He pleaded not guilty to that charge of manslaughter.
23:14And his entire defence rested on this argument that he didn't tell the parents to take the boy off the insulin.
23:22All those who are concerned, please wait for the result of the report from the Australian authorities.
23:30I think he's delusional.
23:33I think he is a charlatan and considers himself a god-like figure who can cure people of their ailments and diseases without having any medical knowledge.
23:45He said that curing diseases is like a game and he was playing dice with people's lives.
23:52See some of the people with the sticks.
23:54This, you don't have to do any surgery or any drugs.
23:57You just do the stretching.
23:59It's a six-year-old boy who is being starved for days on end.
24:03He's being slapped constantly and would have no doubt been covered in bruises.
24:09He's vomiting.
24:10I mean, it sounds like torture.
24:12In the end, though, he was found guilty by a jury of manslaughter.
24:16December 2019, the self-styled practitioner is sentenced to ten years.
24:24He must serve a minimum of seven and a half years in prison before he can be considered for parole.
24:30The fact that they'd extradited him meant that we couldn't get him back to the UK until all the proceedings had been finalised in Australia and that would include him serving his sentence over there as well.
24:43The Australian prosecutor's conviction hinged on proving the suspect told the boy's parents to stop the child's insulin.
24:50So it's imperative that the CPS prove that he was responsible for the UK victim stopping her insulin.
24:59The biggest challenge that we had was the self-styled practitioner who said in his interview is that you're dealing with a 71-year-old lady who's made her own decision to stop taking her insulin.
25:09So we need to try and establish that he in fact had a duty to her and that what he did or more particularly didn't do actually breach that duty of care.
25:19And that was a really sort of real central part of the case that we had to try and develop.
25:24I think certainly in terms of being able to prove that he breached his duty of care, we need evidence that he told her explicitly to stop taking her insulin.
25:31To prove the self-styled practitioner's duty of care to the victim, the CPS need to prove that he was solely in charge of the workshop.
25:39Obviously the best way to do that is either through documents, flyers that were created, advertised in the seminar, from witnesses who'd attended the seminar and from the staff who worked at the country house that he was in charge of what was taking place.
25:54He was the one delivering the sessions and that that's very much why the participants had attended the workshop.
26:03Officers search through the belongings removed from the victim's hotel room and uncover a crucial piece of evidence.
26:10They managed to find the victim's diabetic monitoring charts when she was recording, how much insulin she was taking, her blood sugar readings.
26:18Readings that we have showed that in the lead up to the seminar that she'd begun to reduce her insulin intake.
26:28Could the victim's charts prove that she was reducing her insulin in preparation to stop completely under the suspect's supervision?
26:37I find that I've been able to reduce my insulin by half, which is quite amazing.
26:46I think for diabetic people, we need to be supervised more or better because it's this kind of address.
26:56Generally, we say that if people are having glucoses above 15, that they should be thinking about whether they've not got enough insulin on board.
27:03So they're measuring their ketones just to see whether they ought to be giving a bit more insulin.
27:07And she's already reaching those figures on a number of occasions in the day before.
27:11So probably indicating that at that point, she's not even taking enough insulin.
27:15On the day before she stops the insulin, she gets what we call a high, high, high.
27:20So the highest it reads on the machine.
27:23So she gets a 33.
27:25At that point, the 33, you would check the ketones, you'd be giving more insulin.
27:30You'd be checking again, you'd be doing that every hour.
27:32And if it didn't fall in the first couple of hours, then at that point, you would go to hospital.
27:37But then at that point, she stops the insulin, which is the opposite of what we would be doing in that situation.
27:42We would be increasing insulin.
27:44Even Hippocrates, the founder of Western Medicine, said the same thing.
27:49He said nature use.
27:51We're all part of nature.
27:53Doctors' assistance.
27:55But even more problematic for the police, it looks like he's attempted to absolve himself of any responsibility.
28:04Police found waivers that have been signed by the victim, the participants, effectively seeking to remove any liability for the practitioner for any consequences of the seminars.
28:20We prolong life by 10 years, at least 10 years.
28:24The fact of stopping taking insulin puts her at grave risk of serious injury or death.
28:29The fact that you've signed a piece of paper doesn't really absolve him from his criminal responsibilities because he had a positive duty of care towards her that he just didn't fulfil.
28:41The team worked through hours of digital data, collecting evidence, encouraging his devotees to stop taking medication.
28:54In our workshop, all the diabetic people, they come here, number one, they stop all medication.
29:00The video evidence that the police gathered show people performing PIDA on themselves because of the length of time that they're slapping their inner arms, as an example, often results in very significant bruising all on the inner arm or other parts of the body.
29:17It's really quite graphic, the extent of the bruising.
29:21One minute, half a minute to stop, OK?
29:25The YouTube footage that we had and other video footage from his phone was particularly important because what it demonstrated was his attitudes to Western medicine, that he considered those to be poisons,
29:37and how he believed that PIDA could be used to treat various conditions such as diabetes, high blood pressure, etc.
29:47So I think it was particularly useful to demonstrate his state of mind as much as anything else.
29:52They, on the contrary, they do all these laboratory tests while we do it differently.
29:59We don't do it in the laboratories, we directly do it on people.
30:03In amongst hours of footage relating to PIDA workshops around the world, the team make an astounding find.
30:12One of the videos to the victim, she describes him as a messenger from God, which gives you a real feel for how he was perceived by those who believe that PIDA was working for them.
30:24I would like to say to your master, you see, you're definitely a messenger sent by God, that I'm sure of.
30:33Because you're starting a revolution, a revolution to bring, to put the power back in the hands of the people to cure themselves.
30:41And to change the whole system of healthcare.
30:44I admire you and I thank you from the bottom of my heart.
30:48This haunting testimony from a previous workshop shows her unquestioning belief in his God-like status.
30:57He may not have told her to stop taking her insulin in Wiltshire in October 2016.
31:02But could he have done so on a previous occasion?
31:06During the police investigation, obviously they spoke to various people at the seminar, one of whom was a Bulgarian national.
31:25And he, in fact, attended a previous retreat with the victim in July 2016.
31:31Sadly, that was nearly a carbon copy of what happened in this retreat.
31:37Because again, she'd stopped taking her insulin, she'd started fasting.
31:40And again, she'd become particularly unwell.
31:42If you stop all medication, that means no more poison.
31:46All drugs are poisonous.
31:48When she stopped taking her insulin, she just became very drowsy.
31:52She was vomiting quite a lot.
31:54She became quite difficult to sort of speak to.
31:57She didn't really understand what was going on.
32:00And she just deteriorated really quite quickly, unfortunately.
32:04The practitioner then at that time, we understand, did advise her to restart the insulin.
32:11This was in July of 2016.
32:14We know that at that time in Bulgaria, he was aware of the effect that the drug insulin would have had on somebody who was unwell and presenting in that way.
32:27And that's quite important in terms of the evidence in this case.
32:32This is a major breakthrough for the CPS.
32:36In July, after the victim becomes unwell, he tells her to start taking her insulin again.
32:42This leaves them questioning his actions when she becomes ill three months later at his workshop in Wiltshire.
32:49The fact that a self-professed practitioner must have been aware that the condition had been brought on by lack of insulin and she was pretty unwell.
33:02The fact that he already knew that restarting insulin would have potentially reversed the condition.
33:09We don't know whether, at what stage, it may well or may not have saved her, but the fact is, by not doing that, not providing the insulin and also not calling emergency services,
33:22when he knew really what the cause of the condition was, it is a bit baffling.
33:28He was putting it down to having fasted and the results of fasting.
33:34So the reality was, sadly, the victim was dying of ketoacidosis and that's the tragic consequences of his inactions.
33:49With no proof the suspect instructed the victim to stop taking her insulin,
33:54have they accumulated enough evidence to extradite him back to the UK when released from prison in Australia?
34:04The fact that he was convicted in Australia just, I think, really reinforced that the view that we'd already taken to prosecute him in this country was the right one,
34:13because factually there were very similar cases.
34:17Finally, after a frustrating six years' wait for the CPS,
34:21the fake practitioner completes his sentence in Australia.
34:26With victims now in the UK and Australia, he still had more questions to face.
34:32But by this point, the British police had come knocking.
34:36November 2023, the suspect is transported back to the UK.
34:41He comes back and on a flight to Heathrow.
34:44He was arrested by officers at the airport and he was then taken to court, charged with manslaughter,
34:50and then was remanded in custody awaiting his trial.
34:54Will the CPS be able to secure a manslaughter conviction in the UK?
34:59He did have a duty of care, but he breached that duty of care and those were really the core issues for us to be able to prove in our case.
35:05I strongly believe God must have prepared something better for us that is effective and everyone can work with it without a medical licence.
35:24So that's how I found out Pai de la Jin.
35:29Wiltshire police and the CPS have been waiting six years to extradite a self-styled practitioner in Pai de la Jin back from Australia,
35:39following the death of a 71-year-old woman at one of his workshops in 2016.
35:44It is frustrating because the prosecution were ready to prosecute him in this country in 2019,
35:53but we couldn't in fact prosecute him until he'd finished his sentence in Australia.
35:59Halfway through their four-year investigation, he had been extradited to Australia in connection with the death of a six-year-old child in similar circumstances.
36:09He was tried and convicted of manslaughter in Australia.
36:13And obviously the fact that he's been convicted of a very similar offence to the one that we're prosecuting becomes particularly relevant.
36:22We knew relatively early on what the defence case was going to be, but we knew that they were going to challenge pretty much every aspect of our case.
36:30So first and foremost, that he didn't have a duty of care to her. If he did, he hadn't breached that.
36:37So we knew where the sort of battleground was for the trial.
36:422024, Winchester Crown Court. The suspect stands trial for manslaughter.
36:49We come across a lot of homicides and a lot of deaths that occur through criminal acts, but this is really quite an unusual case.
36:57The defence's primary argument that he didn't have a duty of care was the fact that she was a 71-year-old lady.
37:03She knew her own mind and she'd spent a long time looking for the therapies and cures for her diabetes.
37:11And therefore, she'd made the decision to stop taking her insulin quite willingly.
37:17And therefore, it was her choosing to do that rather than anything that was any responsibility or instruction from the defendant.
37:25The prosecution team need to persuade the jury that the self-styled practitioner is responsible for the victim withdrawing her insulin, which resulted in her untimely death.
37:38There's no direct evidence that he said to her to stop taking medicine on this occasion, unlike the Bulgaria incident.
37:47There was just one particular lady who recalled the fact that the victim had said that she'd stopped taking her insulin and the practitioner had congratulated her on doing that.
37:58I think the fact that we only had limited eyewitness evidence of him congratulating her on stopping taking her insulin rather than positive evidence that he told us to stop taking it definitely made the case more difficult.
38:14So it was a big hurdle for us to try and get over.
38:16If you change your mind, you change the whole world.
38:19The way that we came to the defense's argument was to demonstrate was that she was hooked up such an ardent believer in what he was espousing that effectively her will, whilst it was her free will in the sense that she made the decision, it was under the influence of his teachings, his beliefs, which she'd adopted.
38:39I would like to say to the master, you're definitely a messenger sent by God.
38:47Factually, it was right that she made her own decision, but she'd done that because she was a believer in Pai de la Jin, and particularly she was a devotee of the defendants.
39:00And therefore, whilst he didn't explicitly tell her to stop taking insulin, it's very clear from all of the teachings that she would have been aware of, of his views about drugs like insulin, that they shouldn't be taken, that those are poisons.
39:16To further prove his guilt, the prosecution needs to persuade the jury of a second crucial fact in the case.
39:23Instead of him being concerned about the medical consequences of her stopping her insulin, he did nothing to suggest that she should restart, or that it was a bad thing that she'd stopped, or it may be detrimental to her health.
39:40But what he did do was to show encouragement, and this was seen by others in the room at the time.
39:48After four weeks in Crown Court, the jury retire to consider their verdict.
39:54There's always an element of nerves when a jury goes out on an importance and sensitive case.
39:58You know, it's a case that you've been working on for a long period of time, and you become invested in that case, I suppose.
40:05And I think, also, given what we know had happened in Australia, he clearly hadn't really changed his approach, his beliefs.
40:17The fear was that if he was acquitted, then he's at liberty to go and carry on as he has done before, so somebody else could have died.
40:3326th of July, the jury returned their verdict.
40:37When the jury returned the guilty verdict, I think it was a huge relief to everybody involved, just because of feeling that the jury, I think, had made the right decision, that they'd found that he was responsible for her death.
40:49The self-styled practitioner receives 10 years' custodial sentence.
40:54The judge says there is a significant risk that history, yet again, might repeat itself, and that he poses a risk of serious harm to members of the public.
41:08So he adds a five-year extended license period.
41:13My view is that the defendant is actually quite dangerous.
41:16You know, he was responsible for the death of a six-year-old boy.
41:2018 months later, he's in the UK.
41:22He's running exactly the same type of workshop, where, again, somebody else becomes seriously unwell and dies on his watch.
41:29In both cases, he's not accepted any responsibility at all for what he did do or, rather, what he didn't do.
41:37The victim, sadly and tragically, was going through the effects of ketoacidosis, which ultimately led to her death.
41:47This was nothing to do with the healing crisis, nothing to do with toxins leaving the body.
41:52The simple answer is that, yes, it could have been prevented if insulin wasn't stopped or withdrawn.
42:01So we know that individuals who take insulin regularly and seek medical care if they're running into difficulty,
42:07rarely die of ketoacidosis.
42:11The very fact that two people have lost their lives under his care proves that he is a danger to his followers.
42:21And it just highlights the importance of seeking medical advice from trained doctors in concert with those alternative therapies.
42:51Also, thank you for joining us all across the world.
42:53Thank you for maintaining the comment.
43:01Thank you to my wife.
43:07We're here to work with you.