Political scientist Nathalie Tocci says Europe’s far-right rise came in waves, driven by the financial crisis and Russia’s war in Ukraine.
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00:00We'll come back to that point in just a moment, but I want to bring Natalie into our debate here.
00:04Give me your perspective on what you've heard so far.
00:09Yeah, well, perhaps just to clarify that little dispute there.
00:13I mean, to the best of my knowledge, Sweden has a right-wing government.
00:18Full stop.
00:19But back to the question.
00:22So firstly, I would say the following.
00:25I mean, this entire story of the rise of the right or the nationalist right, the populist right.
00:33First, in Europe, firstly, I think that we need to recognize that this is not a constant story, right?
00:41I mean, this has come in waves, and it's actually quite a heterogeneous story.
00:46It comes in waves in the sense that the first wave essentially began after or on the cusp, basically, of the global financial crisis, which then led to the Eurozone crisis.
00:57So there's a story of economic crisis, which leads to the rise of the far right.
01:04It actually – sorry, could you please let me finish speaking?
01:08It actually went down.
01:11So if you actually take the years beginning 2018, 2019, 2020, throughout the pandemic, the far right in Europe actually went down rather than up.
01:22And then it's only after the second year, so once we're into the second year of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, that it actually starts going up.
01:31Thank you very much.