SEETHER In-Studio MMaRchive Session With Jaxon from August 26, 2014
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00:00MMR's Dreamstream Concert Series, 93.3 WMMR, Everything That Rocks.
00:07Please welcome Seether, ladies and gentlemen.
00:10It's a pleasure to have the guys, Sean, Dale, John, and Brian.
00:15Let's start with Brian, the newest member of the band.
00:19Don't get too close to him because it's like Spinal Tap with guitar players and these guys.
00:23They just... He may actually blow up or meet an untimely death.
00:30Brian, welcome. Glad to have you here, man. Glad to have you here.
00:33So you're no stranger to the band, though. You were guitar tech for many years, right?
00:37Yeah, go ahead and lift the microphone up to the... I know, you're in a band. How do I work this microphone?
00:44We don't let him talk.
00:46I've known guys for some time and then ended up going and tacking for them for three and a half years.
00:53Right.
00:54And now I'm playing.
00:55And then they decided they liked you and they'd be out on stage and let you play. Again, be careful.
00:58Oh, yeah.
00:59Very, very careful.
01:00Stay away from sharp objects.
01:01Sharp objects. Don't walk on ice.
01:02Yeah.
01:03Yeah, no.
01:04Don't do anything.
01:05Don't do anything too crazy.
01:06So welcome to the studio.
01:08The guys are going to play a few songs for us today.
01:10It's going to be a really, really good time.
01:11This is probably, Sean, this is probably a question you've been asked a hundred times and I've seen it.
01:15A hundred times, but you were really influenced as a teenager by Kurt Cobain, by Nirvana, correct?
01:22I don't know where you heard that.
01:24Because it's been all over the place and you've been asked a thousand times.
01:28But it's funny when you think back at how many people he's actually influenced.
01:32You know, every year his birthday rolls around and every year the anniversary of his death rolls around
01:36and you realize just how many people I influenced.
01:38Because myself having no discernible talent with instruments or vocals had to choose the next best thing.
01:46But Nirvana was one of my early influences.
01:48One of the things that really got me into music and really made me want to be a part of this business.
01:53Well, I mean, I liked learning to play guitar to them because it was easy to learn.
01:56Right.
01:57You know, it wasn't very difficult to play their stuff.
01:58So it suited my needs at the time.
02:01And I liked that my parents didn't like what they sounded like.
02:03Right.
02:04Right.
02:05You know, but all those bands from that era were, I mean, I was 13.
02:08Yeah.
02:09Which is just, when you start discovering music and you start stepping away from pop music
02:13and like listening to stuff that you start identifying with on a more emotional level, you know.
02:19So it was Alice in Chains, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, all those bands.
02:23And you were a self-taught guitar player?
02:25Yeah, I'm sure you can tell.
02:27Yeah.
02:28Not a lot of shredding going on here.
02:31So tell me about the title to the new record.
02:35I've always found your albums, I've been a fan for many years since you, if you go all the way back to Disclaimer,
02:39I remember like there were the, what were there like 10 to 15 different album covers on the very first record,
02:44which I thought was super cool.
02:46And I've always been a fan.
02:48I think it would have been super cool if they'd actually put the band name anywhere on those covers.
02:52Right, right, right.
02:53Because it was confusing.
02:54Well, there was Disclaimer 2.
02:56Yeah, well, it was this great marketing thing that our old label had
03:01and then they decided that they wouldn't anywhere put the band name.
03:04So you'd go to the record stores and it was like either 10 different albums that looked pretty similar
03:11by different bands called I Hate You and I Hate Myself or whatever.
03:15Right, right.
03:16And there was a little tiny band name on the spine.
03:18So, I mean, I guess it was a cool concept.
03:20It just sort of flopped a little, I think.
03:23But it was cool that we could do it, yeah.
03:25And so the album titles and the album art have always been very interesting.
03:29Tell me about this new one, Isolate and Medicate.
03:32There's not much to it, man.
03:33Is there some hidden meaning there or is that pretty literal?
03:36It's pretty literal.
03:37Yeah?
03:38Since you don't always have to be poetic to get a point across, I guess.
03:41And sometimes just to shoot straight with it from the hip is the best way to do it.
03:45Yeah.
03:46That just seemed the best way to sum up this album, I guess.
03:48So were you isolating and medicating before the album or during the album?
03:51No, there's a whole bunch of deeper meaning in that whole thing, man.
03:53Oh, okay.
03:54No, it was just pretty much.
03:55I was just locking myself away and drinking and writing music, you know?
03:58Right.
03:59So that was...
04:00I mean, I'd like to say there was a whole...
04:02There's a whole lot more below the surface, but it's just an explanation for the process,
04:08I guess.
04:09Right, right.
04:10Well, since...
04:11Well, God, I guess if you go all the way back to Gasoline, you guys have had a string
04:15of number one songs.
04:17A string.
04:18But you're not writing the same song over and over again.
04:20The next one doesn't sound anything like the last one you had.
04:23For example, you know, Gasoline or you had Remedy.
04:26Straight ahead rock songs.
04:27And then you had Fake It, which has got kind of like that swing beat.
04:30And then you had Country Song, which has obviously got some twang to it.
04:33Now you've got like Words as Weapons, which is kind of like that old Tears for Fears kind
04:38of Gary Jules thing.
04:40It's...
04:41But every single song is different and they all shoot straight to number one.
04:44Have you figured out a formula?
04:46Have you got some secrets that you're not sharing with the rest of the world?
04:50Or what is it?
04:51Do you just have a good ear?
04:52You know, when you hear a hit song, it's...
04:53I think if we knew what the formula was, we'd all have Nickelback money.
04:59Nah, we just write songs that we like to hear, man.
05:01And we like to write...
05:02We write songs that we like to play and that we see as being a hole in the genre.
05:07You know, I think a lot of bands sound the same.
05:09So it's annoying that there's a whole bunch of bands coming up now that I can't tell the difference
05:13between them.
05:14Right.
05:15And I mean, I'd love to be able to, but...
05:17And each song sounds like the next and then the next album sounds like the last album.
05:20Everyone's using the same guitars through the same amps with the same effects in the
05:23same studios.
05:24Right.
05:25So how do you become an individual?
05:27How do you get your own sound if everything you're doing sounds the same as everybody else?
05:30And everybody's playing the same guitars on stage and the same rigs.
05:33It's like, well, then you guys are all gonna sound the same.
05:35And it becomes this homogenized mess of mediocrity that I just, you know, prefer not to be
05:40part of.
05:41Well, the advantage to not having Nickelback money is you don't have Nickelback songs either.
05:48I guess.
05:49I don't mind their songs.
05:50I mean, I must be honest.
05:51For what they are, it's...
05:52Well, there is a formula.
05:53They are.
05:54They sold their soul to the devil and something's going on.
05:57They do that well and they get hated universally and paying for it.
06:01And I think it's unfair that they get so much grief about it.
06:04I mean, they never set out to try and be, I think, a serious band.
06:08Right.
06:09I think he's just writing party songs and he's really good at that and so good for him.
06:12And we've done a couple of tours of Nickelback and they're super nice guys.
06:16So I do feel bad for them.
06:18I don't like comparisons between us and them because I don't think we sound similar.
06:21Yeah.
06:22But as far as that goes, I mean, I'll defend those guys till the end because they've been
06:27nothing but good to us.
06:28Well, what's the other thing?
06:29I mean, we were just watching something the other night and it was like, we were watching
06:32Conan last night and Jonah Hill was talking about how there was a movie where he wanted
06:35to have a Nickelback song and he was on this acid trip and I guess it was supposed to take,
06:39you know, to make fun of Nickelback again, which is weird.
06:43It's like, it's almost like, it's almost like making fun of the kid in the wheelchair
06:46at this point, you know?
06:47It's just move on to somebody else, you know?
06:49Yeah.
06:50And so I guess Nickelback said no and he was like, whoa, you know, and I sort of,
06:55I was, you know, I felt really bad for them.
06:57There's no reason for them to be the whipping boys every single time.
07:00There are other really bad bands out there.
07:02Maybe pick some other ones.
07:03At least Nickelback's good at what they do.
07:05Well, you know, the problem is once you make it to the top, people want to tear you down.
07:08So when you become that popular, then they're out for you.
07:11Well, I mean, you know, they took the mantle off to Creed, but I'd say I'd rather make
07:14fun of like Linkin Park, you know?
07:16Right.
07:17Oh God.
07:18Well, they're also a big band.
07:20So isn't that, everyone likes to make fun of the guys at the top, right?
07:22I make fun of them all the time.
07:23And she'll, she'll, she'll, she'll come across the room and strange.
07:26That's fine.
07:27I'm pretty sure I deserve it, but I just, I would honestly, I'd say there's somebody
07:32that does the same thing over and over again as well.
07:34You know what I mean?
07:35Occasionally they do something that's slightly different and I, you have to give them credit
07:37for it, but it's like, yeah, I mean, there's, there's, if you look, if you, if your target
07:42is the band at the top, then surely they should be one of those.
07:44You know what I mean?
07:45Right.
07:46Right.
07:47Sure.
07:48I don't know.
07:49So you're going to play a song for us?
07:50Nope.
07:51Let's, uh, the good, the good news is Brian's still here.
07:52He has not met his, his untimely demise yet.
07:55Uh, so I think the guys are going to play a few songs for us today.
07:58Uh, give it up for Seether, ladies and gentlemen.
08:00Take the light and darken everything around me.
08:28Call the clouds and listen closely.
08:34I'm lost without you.
08:37Call your name every day.
08:43When I feel so helpless, I'm falling down.
08:50But I'll rise above this, rise above this.
08:55I hate the mind.
08:58Regrets are better, left unspoken.
09:03For all we know, this void will grow.
09:11And everything is in vain.
09:16Distressing you, though it leaves me open.
09:21Feels so right.
09:24Call your name every day.
09:25But I'll end it all before it gets me.
09:30Call your name every day.
09:35When I feel so helpless, I'm falling down.
09:42But I'll rise above this, rise above this.
09:47Call your name every day.
09:52Call your name every day.
09:53Call your name every day.
09:54When I feel so helpless, I'm falling down.
09:59But I'll rise above this, rise above this down.
10:04This town
10:05I mend myself
10:24Before it gets me
10:26Mend myself
10:28Before it gets me
10:30I mend myself
10:32Before it gets me
10:35Mend myself
10:36Before it gets me
10:39Call your name
10:42Every day
10:45When I feel so helpless
10:47Falling down
10:51I'll rise above this
10:54Rise above this
10:57For the eight ways
11:01He said
11:02He was feeling helpless
11:05Falling down
11:09I'll rise above this
11:12Rise above this
11:14Rise above this
11:16Rise above this
11:19Rise above this
11:21Rise above this
11:23I tried something new there
11:43It's called Clear Your Throat
11:44That song was a tribute
11:49To your brother
11:50Who passed in 2007
11:51Correct?
11:53Yep
11:53Right
11:53Now tell me about
11:54The Rise above fest
11:56That you guys do now
11:57This will be the second year
11:58You did it back in May
11:59In Maine
12:00To raise awareness
12:02To raise awareness
12:02For suicide prevention
12:03Right
12:04We skipped last year
12:06Unfortunately
12:07But it's something
12:08We'd like to do
12:09Annually now if we can
12:10It was really good
12:12It was great
12:13We had a lot of friends
12:14That donated stuff
12:16For auctions
12:16And things like that
12:17A lot of bands
12:18Came out and played
12:20Ben Sevenfold
12:21Hell yeah
12:22A bunch of other guys
12:22And we raised a lot of money
12:25And hopefully some awareness
12:26For suicide
12:29It's not something
12:31That people tend to want
12:32To talk about
12:33But it's a really big problem
12:35Amongst teenagers
12:37And war vets coming back
12:39And they don't know
12:40Where to go
12:41What to do
12:41So yeah
12:43Hopefully we can
12:44And I think
12:45With the recent passing
12:46Of Robin Williams
12:48You see that it can
12:49Affect anyone
12:50It really can
12:51It's sad
12:54But it's true
12:55It's sad but true
12:56Yeah
12:56Yeah
12:59Yeah
12:59And it's something
13:00That a lot of people
13:01Try to sweep under the rug
13:02And they don't want to talk about
13:03And you know
13:04It's like
13:04Oh that's a problem
13:05You shouldn't have that problem
13:07It's a sickness
13:08Like any other sickness
13:09It's something
13:10That should be discussed
13:11So let me ask you
13:13A question Sean
13:13Five CDs
13:15Your five favorite CDs
13:16Let's say
13:17We'll do the old
13:18Desert Island thing
13:18You're going to be
13:19Stranded on an island
13:20You only have five CDs
13:22Trust me
13:22There's a CD player
13:23You have one
13:24Okay
13:25You can only bring
13:26Everybody's going
13:27Well if I'm on or not
13:28No you've got five CDs
13:29You can only take
13:30For the rest of your life
13:31What are they going to be
13:31Vanilla Ice to the Extreme
13:33Wow
13:33That is extreme
13:36Dolly Parton's Greatest Hits
13:37Perfect
13:37Anything by my boy
13:40Kenny Rogers
13:41Yeah
13:41Then
13:44Have you heard of those
13:46Rockabye Lullaby CDs
13:47Yes
13:48With the little bells
13:48Which one do you
13:49The Tool one
13:50The Tool
13:50Yes
13:50Perfect
13:51That really puts me
13:52To sleep every night
13:52And then
13:53I don't know
13:55Something by
13:56Something by
13:58Aqua
13:58I suspect you would
13:59Die an early death
14:01On this island
14:01Yeah
14:01Yeah
14:02I think the whole point
14:03Is not to survive a long time
14:04See
14:06Drive yourself insane
14:08With the
14:08Dale how about you
14:08Let me see
14:10Let me see if we get a straight answer
14:11Out of you
14:12Five CDs
14:13Vulgar Display of Power
14:15Okay
14:15Good
14:16August and Everything After
14:19All right
14:19By Counting Crows
14:20Right
14:20That was a good record
14:21Yeah
14:21Yeah
14:22Yeah
14:22Yeah
14:23What else
14:27This is a really tough one
14:28Yeah
14:29And you'll always think of something later
14:30Yeah
14:30And Justice for All maybe
14:32Yeah
14:32Don't you like
14:35Wouldn't you like a Guns and Roses
14:36Open with you as well
14:36Yeah maybe some Guns and Roses
14:38I don't know
14:39Maybe
14:40Maybe like a
14:40Bob Seger's Greatest Hits or something
14:42Change it up a little bit
14:44Yeah sure sure
14:44And then like
14:45Something by Explosions in the Sky
14:46Or something
14:47So I'll be able to
14:48Cover all my bases
14:49Good good
14:50So when did the
14:51When did the beards come along guys
14:53When did
14:54I notice everybody
14:55Sporting the beard now
14:56Everybody sporting the beard
14:57Even in the artwork
14:58In the album
14:58It's a prerequisite
14:59For being in the band
15:00Yeah
15:00Must have facial hair
15:02He doesn't
15:03He doesn't grow enough
15:03So he's allowed to
15:04Trim his up in a certain direction
15:06He's talking to Brian
15:07Who's got the least amount
15:08Of facial hair in the room
15:08We've all just
15:09We just developed a healthy obsession
15:10With Paul Bunyan
15:11It's not a big deal
15:12Now do you trim them
15:15Or do you let them go
15:16Full on like Grizzly Adams
15:17Yeah
15:18We don't do that
15:18Yeah
15:19Whatever's the easiest
15:20I don't care
15:21I'm just letting myself go
15:23Pretty much
15:24It's a beach shaving man
15:26It does
15:27It really does
15:27I used to trim
15:28A while
15:29And then I just
15:29I stopped doing that
15:30So I'll let it grow really long
15:32And then I'll trim it down
15:33And then I'll grow it out again
15:34The only reason I cut mine
15:37Is I trimmed it about a month ago
15:38Because it was down
15:39It was about like
15:40You're a shine
15:40Because my wife makes me do it
15:41She's like
15:41That is nasty
15:42You look homeless
15:43It's nasty
15:44There's stuff
15:45There's food in there
15:45I find people ask me
15:46For less change in the street style
15:47That's good
15:49I do get offered weed a lot more
15:50Which is weird too
15:51That's alright
15:52Alright
15:52Alright
15:53Let's hear another song
15:55Jens
15:55What do you got for us?
15:56Okay
15:56I'll take it
15:57So who's to know
16:03If your soul will fade at all
16:06The one you sold to fool the world
16:11You lost your self-esteem along the way
16:19Good God
16:21You're coming up with reasons
16:23Good God
16:25You're dragging me down
16:28Good God
16:30It's the changing of the season
16:32I feel so rude
16:34So follow me down
16:36Just faking it
16:39Out of direction
16:41Faking it
16:43You don't belong here
16:46Faking it
16:47You feel like infection
16:50Oh, oh, oh
16:52You're such a hypocrite
16:55You should know
17:05That your lies
17:06Don't hide your flaws
17:09No sense in hiding
17:11All of yours
17:13You gave up on your dreams
17:16Along the way
17:21Good God
17:23You're coming up with reasons
17:25Good God
17:28You're dragging me down
17:30Good God
17:32It's the changing of the season
17:34I feel so rude
17:36Follow me down
17:38Just faking it
17:41You're out of direction
17:43Faking it
17:45You don't belong here
17:48Faking it
17:50You feel like infection
17:52Oh, oh
17:54You're such a hypocrite
17:57You're estás a whirlreal
18:05You're such a hypocrite
18:05You deserve the chaos
18:07You're such a hypocrite
18:09I feel so rude
18:10You're such a hypocrite
18:11SaaS
18:12Cause I can fake with the best of anyone
18:27I can fake with the best of them all
18:32Cause I can fake with the best of anyone
18:36Cause I can fake it all
18:42So who's to know if your soul will fade at all
18:54The one you sold to fool the world
18:59If you lost your self-esteem along the way
19:07Good God, you're coming up with reasons
19:11Good God, you're dragging me down
19:16Good God, it's the changing of the season
19:20I feel so ready to follow me down
19:24Just fake it if you're out of direction
19:29Fake it if you don't belong here
19:34Fake it if you feel like infection
19:38Fake it if you're out of direction
19:47Fake it if you don't belong here
19:51Fake it if you feel like infection
19:55Oh, you're such a hypocrite
20:00Thank you
20:14That was a cool version
20:17That was a cool version
20:19Yeah, it doesn't work the other way acoustically
20:22Yeah
20:22Well, you know, here's the thing
20:24We'll play it later
20:24And someone out there will say
20:27It doesn't sound anything like the record
20:28How come it doesn't sound like the record?
20:30How come I didn't play it like the nobody did?
20:33Very cool
20:33Thanks guys
20:34That sounded awesome
20:36Really, really, really enjoyed it
20:37So tell me about Wind Up Records
20:40You guys formed in 1999 in South Africa
20:43Under the name Sarin Gas, correct?
20:45Yeah
20:45And then you were signed to Wind Up Records
20:47Changed the name to Seether
20:49Best part of my life
20:50Right?
20:50So then Wind Up Records of course
20:53Sells the rights to their back catalogue
20:55And your contract to another company
20:57That had to be
20:59That had to scare the crap out of you
21:01Yeah, no?
21:01Yeah
21:02It was pretty awful
21:03And we didn't get an email or a phone call
21:06Or a text or anything from anyone
21:07So we found out basically in a press release
21:09That we had been sold off to somebody else
21:11Wow
21:12Halfway through writing the new album
21:13So that was put on hold for a while
21:16And you have no idea what's going to happen at this point
21:17You don't know if you're going to get dropped
21:19You don't know if you're going to
21:19Well, then you look up their back catalogue
21:22And there's not a lot of rock bands on there
21:23We don't, you know
21:25Ella Fitzgerald and Ray Charles
21:29Are a good company to be in
21:31But I don't know that we necessarily fit
21:33Right, right
21:34But I mean, they also got Paul McCartney
21:36And amongst others
21:38But certainly in the beginning
21:40It felt like
21:42Well, we were just going to be shelved
21:43And then, you know
21:45They would concentrate on the other back catalogue stuff
21:47That they'd bought
21:47That would make them more money
21:48Yeah
21:48It turns out they're the greatest label
21:50We've ever been signed to
21:51And they hired a whole rock department
21:53Just for our band
21:54And then to start that side of their label going
21:56And everyone that works on the label is awesome
21:58And everyone that we deal with
22:00Is more passionate of that
22:01Than I think our entire label was in 12 years
22:04Really, really
22:05And that's person to person
22:07So we feel like we finally got signed to a real label
22:10And I hope something horrible happens to the other one
22:13I have no problem with that comically happening to me
22:18I mean, they certainly would deserve it, I guess
22:21I mean, I spent 12 years being told by A&R people
22:24I don't know what I'm doing
22:24Telling me that I can't write songs
22:26That I suck
22:27That I should hire other people to do it for me
22:29I mean, so I have no love for that label, man
22:31Did you ever just take number one song after number one song
22:33And shove it back in their face
22:34Oh yeah, I didn't think I would have to
22:36I didn't think I'd have to
22:37But every single time we did a new album
22:38It was the same story
22:39And it was the same runaround every time
22:40And to the point where I just
22:41I wanted to quit, man
22:42Yeah
22:42Because if someone keeps telling you for that long
22:45And that consistently
22:46That you don't know what you're doing
22:47It makes you want to just give up
22:49You know
22:49And I will never forgive those guys for that
22:53Because the A&R guy
22:55Co-wrote one song with Daughtry
22:57And now he knows everything about songwriting
22:59He's like, dude
22:59Bite me, man
23:01Seriously
23:02And you're friends with Train
23:03Right
23:04Who says that out loud?
23:05Right
23:05Train sucks
23:08Even Train hates Train
23:10Fuck, man
23:12How do you really feel?
23:14Oh yeah, I thought I
23:14Yeah, dude, I cleaned it up, though
23:16For radio, man
23:18That's good
23:19Well, they are
23:20I suppose the
23:21Bright spot in that whole story is
23:25They signed your band
23:27And you are where you are today
23:28Fifteen years later
23:29Yeah, and I must say
23:30Six months later
23:31When we started dealing with them
23:32And we started meeting them
23:33It was amazing
23:34And even going into the studio
23:35They were like, yeah, go ahead
23:36We believe in you guys
23:37And they never got involved
23:38They came in at the very end
23:40And they were having a listening party
23:41With Brendan O'Brien
23:41And everyone stood up
23:42And was cheering
23:43And it was really cool
23:45They really believe in what we do
23:46And it's awesome
23:47To have someone finally believing in us
23:49As well
23:49Which we never had before
23:50So who was it that told you
23:52To cover Careless Whisper
23:53And have you fired them?
23:54No
23:54It's not as good as Banana Ramsey
23:58That's all I'm saying
23:59The reason
24:00Because we always get asked
24:01To do these stupid things
24:02And so we said
24:03Well, let's do something really stupid
24:04Right
24:04I thought it was great
24:06To be honest with you
24:06I'm just busting your ass
24:07Well, there's a whole long story behind that
24:09Dale and I used to play that
24:10To each other
24:10On each other's voicemails
24:11In South Africa
24:11It was like our little
24:12You know
24:13Love song to each other
24:14Right
24:14And because
24:16Who can deny that
24:16Saxophone solo
24:17Ironically, of course
24:18So then we get asked
24:20As all bands
24:21Hey, can you guys do
24:22A serious song
24:23For Valentine's Day
24:24So we said, sure
24:25Put us in the studio for a day
24:26We'll deliver
24:27A Valentine's Day song for you
24:29And obviously
24:29You know
24:30It's not
24:31It's us taking the piss
24:32Right
24:33So it's like
24:33Cool
24:34And then it becomes
24:35Well, we really
24:35No one gets the sense of humor
24:36No one gets it
24:38That it's a joke
24:38Now they want it to be a single
24:40Because wind up has no vision
24:41And it becomes a single
24:43And then it gets put on the album
24:43And so on and so forth
24:45I think the last time we played it
24:47Was about
24:47I don't know
24:48Four or five years ago
24:49And I think the last time we played it
24:50There was a guy standing by the soundboard
24:52Just flipping us off
24:52The whole way through the song
24:53I was like
24:54I get it, man
24:55It's not
24:55I understand
24:57So it's, you know
24:59Something like that
25:00Where we were just
25:01Making fun of ourselves
25:02In front of this request
25:04Because we
25:04When we find
25:06We don't have a choice
25:07If we do it badly
25:08Then we don't get asked again
25:09You know
25:09And we never got asked again
25:10To do a Valentine's Day song
25:11So
25:12I guess mission accomplished
25:14But
25:14George Michael didn't mind
25:17No
25:17Yeah
25:18Because how does that work
25:19When you cover somebody's song
25:20And it gets a lot of airplay
25:21He made a lot of money
25:22He makes a lot of money
25:23He makes all the money
25:23Yeah
25:23And you guys don't see anything
25:24It's just
25:25Wow
25:25So you're welcome, George
25:27Not a lot of money
25:27In covering songs then, is there
25:29No
25:29So are you making
25:29Veruca Salt some cash too?
25:31Hopefully
25:32Yeah
25:32I don't understand
25:33What the whole thing
25:34Is with all those people either, man
25:35I just read an interview recently
25:36Where they thought
25:36We were making fun of them
25:37By choosing that
25:39Where we denied
25:41Even knowing that they existed
25:42And I was like, man
25:42You know what
25:43Just if you read
25:45A couple of interviews
25:45And pull your head
25:47Right out of your backside
25:48Yeah
25:48We named this band
25:49Because we like the song
25:50And we like the band
25:51And I'm sick and tired
25:52Of them talking
25:53Crap about us
25:54Because they don't
25:56What, they live under a rock
25:57And don't have internet?
25:57See, I thought they'd be flattered
25:59I always thought it was cool
25:59And I had always wondered
26:01Why it had taken you so long
26:02To cover that song
26:03Yeah, and to be honest
26:03I'm kind of disappointed
26:04That it was like
26:06You know, you're paying them homage
26:07And you
26:08You know, we did the song
26:09Which sort of coincided
26:10At the right time
26:11With them trying to make a comeback
26:12And all those kinds
26:13So we're basically helping them out
26:15Sure
26:15And all they can do
26:16Is talk smack
26:17And I'm like, man
26:17God, is it too late
26:18To change the band name?
26:20I could find something way cooler
26:21Yeah
26:23Don't you have to see
26:25Their tattoos, though?
26:26I think
26:26Dale does, yeah
26:27I never made that mistake
26:28Because I always knew
26:29There's somebody
26:29I'm going to change the band name
26:30I'm not that committed
26:34To this band
26:34Right
26:3415 years later
26:36Still not going to get
26:37To see their tattoos
26:37Yeah, no
26:38I probably won't, man
26:40Yeah
26:40So on the
26:42I guess you'd call it
26:43The collection
26:44The Greatest Hits record
26:452002 through 2013
26:47Is that what it was?
26:48It's got the dog
26:48Defecating on the
26:49Yes
26:50I had read somewhere
26:51That that was kind of
26:52A tribute to Wind Up
26:54Well, I didn't really
26:55Like the idea
26:55Right
26:56So they said
26:57We could do the artwork
26:57Ah, there you go
26:59And we sent them a message
27:00Good, okay
27:01And if you look closely
27:01There's actually a turd
27:02Coming out of his butt
27:03But you have to look
27:03You have to look really close
27:04Yeah
27:04And also, don't say
27:05We're not a class act, bro
27:06We just didn't want to do it, man
27:09We thought it was
27:10We thought it was
27:10Premature
27:11We thought it was
27:12A cash cow on their part
27:13But it ultimately
27:14Turned out to be
27:15The last thing we did with them
27:16Right
27:16So it was a good way
27:17To say goodbye to them
27:18Yeah
27:19And I just honestly
27:22That was my opinion of it
27:23I just
27:24I don't like those things
27:26I've never liked them
27:27Unless it's been
27:2830 or 40 years
27:29I don't think it's necessary
27:31And so
27:31You know
27:32Here are people
27:33That have bought our music
27:33Buy these songs again
27:34You know
27:36I will tell you
27:37The upside to those
27:38Collections
27:39Those Greatest Hits records
27:40As a kid
27:41When you could only afford
27:43If you liked a band
27:43And you could only afford
27:45One record
27:45And you could buy a record
27:46That had all the songs
27:47You liked from this band on it
27:48That was pretty cool
27:49Because I remember buying
27:50A lot of those collections
27:51You know
27:52I like that too
27:54But I think it's also
27:55A disservice to any band
27:56To say
27:57Hey, these are the songs
27:58That the label wanted you to hear
27:59Right, right
28:00Whereas the songs
28:01We want you to hear
28:01Are probably the ones
28:02That aren't those ones
28:02You know what I mean
28:03So maybe it's a good introduction
28:04To people
28:05And it does serve a purpose
28:06But we just didn't want to do it
28:08And it's like
28:09It's either something you do
28:10When you have nothing else going on
28:11Right
28:12Or because they're trying
28:14To get out of a record deal
28:15You know
28:16And even then
28:16They didn't count as an album anyway
28:18So it didn't help us
28:19Get closer to getting away
28:20From that label anyway
28:21But yeah
28:22It's done now
28:22And so
28:23It is what it is
28:24But I don't think
28:25We'll be doing any of those
28:25Anytime soon again
28:26Unless we get to do the artwork again
28:28Right, right
28:29So 15 years
28:3115 years, man
28:32Do you ever stop and go
28:33Wow
28:3315 years
28:35I've been successful at this
28:36For 15 years
28:37I think we do
28:38And certainly when we look
28:39At some of the bands
28:39That we've toured with
28:40Many bands
28:40That aren't even around anymore
28:41Like if you think back
28:42To this
28:43When we started
28:43Trust Company
28:44Submersed
28:46There were a whole bunch of bands
28:48Even on our label
28:4812 Stones
28:49It was even on our label
28:49They're gone
28:50Yeah
28:50Social Burn
28:51Cinch
28:53Epidemic
28:54Raw
28:55Raw
28:56They made a comeback
28:57They have a song called
28:57Something what
28:58Super Bass Heavy
29:00Dubstep or something
29:01You haven't heard it?
29:02No, because it doesn't pay attention
29:03Okay
29:03I pay attention
29:04It's called
29:05Super Dubstep or something
29:06I like Raw
29:07So I'll check it out
29:08But if you think about it that way
29:09There's a lot of bands
29:10That didn't make it
29:11And good bands
29:11Yeah, I mean
29:11I think
29:12Honestly
29:13One of our bands
29:14That we liked the most
29:14Was Social Burn
29:15I thought it was
29:16Real good poppy songwriting
29:18And I don't know why
29:18They ever didn't make it
29:19Yeah
29:20And I certainly
29:22Would prefer them
29:23To a lot of the stuff
29:23That's out now
29:24But yeah
29:26We never
29:27I don't know
29:28Somehow
29:28We're lucky to be here
29:29I guess
29:29And it's great
29:30I mean
29:30I definitely appreciate it
29:33Yeah
29:33But by the same token
29:35You almost feel bad
29:36For the other guys
29:37Because I think
29:38They deserved it too
29:38Right
29:39Well play us another song
29:40Okay
29:41This is a request
29:43Oh, awesome request
29:47Yeah
29:48Yeah
29:48I watched you change
30:09You were on fire
30:18Cause I watched a change
30:38In you
30:40It's like you never
30:44Had wings
30:49Now you feel
30:52So alive
30:56I watched a change
31:01I took you home
31:12Set you on glass
31:20I pulled off your wings
31:27Then I laughed
31:31Then I laughed
31:33Cause I watched a change
31:41In you
31:43It's like you never
31:45It's like you never
31:46Had a wing
31:51Now you feel
31:55So alive
31:59I watched a change
32:06It's like you never
32:08It's like you never
32:10Had a wing
32:13Cause I violet
32:15Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, why
32:18Why I, oh, oh, oh, why
32:21I...
32:21I, oh, oh, why
32:23Why?
32:23Oh, oh, oh, why
32:25Why?
32:27Oh, oh, why
32:29Why
32:30Oh, oh
32:33I look at the cross
32:41Then I looked away
32:48I give you the gun
32:57To blow me away
33:04Cause I watched the change in you
33:13It's like you've never had things
33:21Now you feel so alive
33:28I watched the change
33:34Now you feel so alive
33:44Now you feel so alive
33:51Now you feel so alive
33:59Cause I watched the change
34:03It's like you've never had went down
34:14Oh, I
34:18Oh, I
34:22Oh, I
34:26Oh, I
34:29Oh
34:31You've changed
34:41You've changed
34:47You've changed
34:56You've changed
34:57Oh, I
35:02Agree or disagree, Deftone's White Pony, best record ever made?
35:10I think so, yeah.
35:11Yeah, yeah.
35:12I like everything they do.
35:13One of my all-time favorites.
35:14And around the fur when I was a kid was a huge one for me.
35:17Yeah, huge, huge Deftones fan.
35:18That was awesome, man.
35:19Thanks.
35:20Thanks for playing that.
35:21That was super cool.
35:22What's it like for Dale and John watching the other half of the band play?
35:25You guys are just chilling over here.
35:27It's a trip.
35:28You guys are wearing flip-flops and Bahamas shorts.
35:29I hope I'm there by osmosis, man.
35:31I can't even like, I don't know, swing with it
35:33And you want to be a part of it, you are a part of it, but yet you're watching it.
35:36Yeah, isn't that kind of...
35:37It's really cool.
35:38I was watching you guys get into it and I'm like, yeah, this is cool.
35:41Speaking of your music, this is something, you go through, I guess, stages where there's
35:48so much music out there that you listen to five or ten records for a while and then six
35:53months later you'll switch that up and listen to five or ten records.
35:55And it had been a while since I'd gone and listened to all my Seether records.
35:58But preparing for this, I went back and listened to them.
36:00I forgot how much I dig your music, man.
36:03That's really, really good stuff.
36:05It's also my favorite gym music.
36:07If you're like those days that...
36:08If I put on something like gasoline...
36:10Yeah.
36:11I don't care how lazy I'm feeling.
36:13It just makes me want to kill somebody.
36:14It's great.
36:15In a good way.
36:16In a good way.
36:17In a good way.
36:18That's good.
36:20So you're touring now with Godsmack, part of these festival shows.
36:24You guys have done a lot of festivals over the years.
36:26You've played a few for us, the MMRBQs.
36:28I think two of them now.
36:29Do you like these kind of shows where you get to see all these other bands play?
36:34And do you watch the other bands play?
36:37We like these shows and we watch these bands.
36:45Usually we're actually, you know, we watch all the bands if we can.
36:48Because you see a lot of bands that go on these festival shows and they stay on the bus.
36:52And you don't see them until they come out and play.
36:54And I think there's a lot of those bands that are maybe playing the second, third, fourth slot.
36:58That might be up and comers that could really, really get a leg up if the headliners of that festival show came out and watched their set.
37:07Or at least give them a few words of encouragement.
37:09Is that the point I'm showing you?
37:10I will say this one doesn't feel as if there's that much camaraderie amongst everybody as there normally is.
37:16So it's not quite as summer campy as they normally are.
37:21Sure.
37:22That's just, that's through no fault of our own.
37:24Because we'll, you know, run about half an hour after I said, there's at least three of us that are feeling really, really good.
37:31Well, perfect example is, you know, Hailstorm, Lizzy Hale, the kids from the Philadelphia area here, we've been with them since they were playing bar gigs.
37:40Yeah.
37:41And when they got out on the road with guys like you and with, you know, with all these other bands on these festival shows, it really, really increased their exposure.
37:47I mean, they blew up from that.
37:49But also there was, we had a lot of, we love those kids.
37:51Yeah.
37:52And it was like, you know, we'd hang out with each other every day and we'd watch each other play every day.
37:55And I don't really have that with a lot of bands anymore.
37:57Right.
37:58And we've done some tours where it's like, you know, when we did Crossfade and Dark New Day and us, it was like that tour was killer.
38:05We were all just, we would go everywhere together, all the bands and crews and everything.
38:09And I think that unfortunately, some of the younger bands think they're too cool these days.
38:14Yeah.
38:15And I've, I've had some run-ins with some of them before because if you don't play your instruments, I don't, I don't, you know, respect you.
38:21Right.
38:22That happens.
38:23That really happens.
38:24Yeah, man.
38:25Like blatantly just miming, dude.
38:27So I immediately, I don't know, maybe I just, I just think, I think if you're in a band, you're supposed to be playing.
38:32And I think that you're, you know, that your hair shouldn't take longer to do than it takes you to write some songs.
38:41You know what I mean?
38:43Is that wrong?
38:44I mean, I don't know.
38:45Well, it's, I didn't realize it was so rampant.
38:47I didn't, I didn't realize that it happened as often as it apparently does.
38:50I think unfortunately there's a, there's this, there's this, you know, there's a reversion to this, this idea that the image is more important than the music and that that's more substance than, than what's on the CD.
38:59And I think that's really sad, but you know, that's having said that, I mean, I'm sure these guys will be working in a Taco Bell in about six years.
39:07I don't know, but it's just, there's some bands on this tour that I'm not fans of, but other bands that I do, I am fans of.
39:13So it just, it just doesn't feel the same.
39:14It just doesn't feel like it's fun.
39:15Right.
39:16Um, it is, I mean, it's obviously it's great to be on a tour and playing and having a good time.
39:21It just doesn't like, nobody wants to hang out.
39:22Do you have a favorite band to tour with?
39:24Um, like if you could put anybody that wants to hang out with us?
39:27Yeah.
39:28Well, and in fact, no, in fact, some of the nicest guys to tour with are Nickelback.
39:31Yeah.
39:32Those guys, they, they, they look, they look after the bands they tour with and I suppose
39:35it's super, super nice.
39:36If you're on the road day in and day out, really that camaraderie is, is a big deal.
39:40Well, wouldn't you?
39:41Yeah.
39:42I mean, instead of everyone, you know, hanging their heads when they walk by, by each other
39:44in the hallway, it was just kind of, it's odd or going into a catering like, Oh, I don't
39:48want to see that guy right now.
39:49I guess I'll eat later.
39:50You know, it's like, and that's, what's been happening, man.
39:52Yeah.
39:53And it's like, I don't know.
39:54I mean, I should shut my mouth.
39:55Well, no, it seems like the road would wear on you real quick.
39:58Like if that, I just, I'm just over that stuff.
40:00We're like, we all sing Kumbaya backstage.
40:02It doesn't happen.
40:03You know what I mean?
40:04It's the reality is that some guys out there are not cool guys to hang out with and other
40:07guys are.
40:08And, uh, unfortunately I just, I mean, and all of us kind of miss those, those days when
40:12it was a tour when everybody really got on really well.
40:14Yeah.
40:15And unfortunately this isn't one of those.
40:16So, you know, and it doesn't, that doesn't make it a bad tour.
40:18It just, it just means that we just have more fun with ourselves than we do with other
40:23people, you know?
40:24Like these, when these, these charming personalities.
40:26So when you're, when you're not on the road, what are you guys doing?
40:29Do you, do you go back to South Africa?
40:32Do you stay here in the States?
40:33Do you have, do you have a place you call home?
40:35Yeah.
40:36Uh, I used to until I, okay.
40:38I don't know.
40:39I don't care what you believe, but I bought a house that was haunted and I'm just selling
40:42it.
40:43Get out of here.
40:44It was crazy, man.
40:45Where?
40:46Nashville.
40:47Yeah.
40:48Really?
40:49And so much.
40:50Stuff going on for, for a couple of months.
40:51And so much of the one night, um, my girlfriend and I actually got in our car and left cause
40:56we were so afraid of something cause the doors to our bedroom sort of got slammed into
41:01like it was somebody on the other side trying to get through.
41:03Right.
41:04And after I'd finished wiping my, my underwear out, we literally got in a car, drove to a
41:11hotel and then called like this, uh, cause we'd called this, this, this ghost, um, uh,
41:18paranormal activity kind of investigative group.
41:21And they said they could only come on the Friday and this was on a Sunday night.
41:23So we actually went and stayed in a hotel till the Friday and came back cause I wasn't
41:26going to go back in there without their help.
41:28And basically what happened was it was a whole bunch of stuff that they came in and did
41:31and then it didn't help.
41:32But nothing happened.
41:33So, um, I'm out.
41:34So what kind of, I don't like fighting stuff.
41:35I can't yell, right?
41:36Well, no, it's, it's, it was, it was just antagonistic stuff.
41:39Like it was stuff that stuff to keep you on edge.
41:41And, and, um, so every time you, every time you'd think that, okay, cool, nothing's going
41:45on.
41:46Then there would, something would happen like a, a noise or a knock or a, or a bang or something
41:50that was like, obviously, you know, and, and, and it just, it just bizarre.
41:55I mean, I was always on edge and I didn't, I didn't want to go home.
41:58So I didn't feel, I didn't feel like I was, I mean, I wasn't sleeping.
42:01I was waking up every morning at three 30 in the morning and then like smelling like
42:04rotting meat or, um, closet doors are open themselves.
42:07Yeah.
42:08It's time to move.
42:09Yeah.
42:10Yeah, man.
42:11And I, I, you know, I spent 35 years, I'm 35 now.
42:14So I was like, I was like, well, maybe they are ghosts.
42:16I don't know.
42:17Now I'm like, yeah, they are.
42:18So that I used to, you know, I used to watch those, that ghost adventure show.
42:21And I thought, yeah, that's a, that's hocus, man.
42:23Somebody threw that rock.
42:24No, dude.
42:25I mean, unless, unless somebody ran into our house, slammed those doors and then ran back
42:29out, we could see them.
42:30And they were like, you know, that we could see shadow figures through the doors and stuff.
42:33And, uh, so we live on the bus now.
42:35What are you doing?
42:36As of right now I'm camping out in someone's backyard.
42:38Whoever's got the biggest yard I'm camping in.
42:40Right.
42:41Right.
42:42It just, I mean, I don't know.
42:43It just, it wasn't for me, man.
42:45Like I was terrified half the time.
42:47Dude, I'm a grown man and I'm scared of turning off the lights at night.
42:50Come on.
42:51Yeah.
42:52That's not cool.
42:53Well, I always get chills when I hear stories like this.
42:54Because when you talk to another grown man who's obviously got his wits about him
42:57and he says, dude, I left for a week because I was that scared.
43:00You go, wow, there was something there.
43:02Yeah.
43:03It's really cool.
43:04People are like, oh, there's no such thing as good.
43:05Fine.
43:06Fine.
43:07Believe that.
43:08I never really believed either.
43:09And I used to think people were out of their minds and now I know they're not.
43:12So it's, it's just, it just takes one horrifically terrifying.
43:16And it wasn't like, you know, then we get, we get stories about like, okay, so this other
43:19couple moved into a house in your neighborhood and they were unpacking their kitchen stuff
43:22and the knives sort of flying into the closets.
43:24I'm like, that was a little bit more extreme than what we had.
43:27Yeah.
43:28At least ours was just a little noisy, but yeah, it was kind of, I don't know.
43:32Yeah.
43:33Yeah.
43:34Yeah.
43:35Yeah.
43:36Freeloaders.
43:37But anyway, yeah, it was, it was, it was pretty scary.
43:40Oh, thanks for freaking me out.
43:41No, man.
43:42No problem.
43:43That's great.
43:44That's great.
43:45Why don't you play us another song now?
43:46Sure thing.
43:47Well, fortune favors not the young, spoken words and songs unsung.
43:48Right.
43:49Right.
43:50Well, fortune favors not the young, spoken words and songs unsung.
43:51Right.
43:52I guess I don't have what it takes.
43:53Never learned from my life.
43:54You never learned from my life.
43:55I never learned from my life.
43:56I don't have what it takes.
43:58You never learned from my life.
43:59I never learned from my life.
44:00That's great.
44:01You never learned from my life.
44:02Well, fortune favors not the young, spoken words and songs unsung.
44:06Well, fortune favors not the young
44:10Spoken words and songs unsung
44:13Right
44:14I guess I don't have what it takes
44:21Never learned from my mistakes
44:24Right
44:25I miss that I was strong
44:32You'd come home again
44:36All this time I've lost
44:43I'll never find again
44:47So save today
44:53The secrets that you prayed for
44:57Awake, cause we deserve it so much more
45:03And save the secrets that you prayed for
45:08Awake, I'll see you on the other side
45:15A tortured soul have I become
45:27It keeps me safe, but it keeps me numb
45:31Right
45:32I never learned from my mistakes
45:38I guess I don't have what it takes
45:42Right
45:43I wish that I was wrong
45:49And you'd come home again
45:53Cause all this time I've lost
46:00I'll never find again
46:04So save today
46:11The secrets that you prayed for
46:14Awake, cause we deserve it so much more
46:20And save the secrets that you prayed for
46:25Awake, I'll see you on the other side
46:31Say you can help me down
46:46Say you can help me out
46:52Say you can help me down
46:56Say you can help me down
46:59Say you can help me down
47:03Say you can help me down
47:04Say you can help me down
47:05Say you can help me down
47:06So save today
47:07The secrets that you prayed for
47:09Awake, cause we deserve it so much more
47:11Awake, cause we deserve it so much more
47:15much more and save the secrets that you prayed for awake i'll see you on the other side save
47:28today the secrets that you prayed for awake cause we deserve it so much more and save
47:40the secrets that you prayed for awake i'll see you on the other side
48:10awesome awesome is that the uh next single uh i don't know i wanted to i wanted to be one though
48:23yeah yeah yeah it's good my favorite song on the new cut 10 on the on the new record really
48:27good stuff so you got a treat there you got to hear that if you haven't uh if you haven't heard
48:30it on the record yet save today the name of the song see there gentlemen thank you so much for
48:34coming in today we really really appreciate it um it's uh it's been a pleasure you guys sound great
48:39you can see him tonight with god smack at the uh sbc uh as part of the the show out there tonight
48:44what time do you guys know what time you go on 8.05 8.05 about 8.05 this evening um and uh again
48:51always a pleasure to see you guys thanks so much we wish you another 15 years of success man we really
48:56do you think you'll still be touring in 15 years uh maybe not as as many shows a year as this right
49:03i'll be 50 in 15 years well that's what you know do you think do you think somebody like
49:07uh robert planter mick jagger any of those guys you think when they thought he's sad to think
49:10about it when they were like 30 they thought no i'll be done we'll be done by the time we're 35
49:15when you're 16 you think so yeah you think i'll be retired by 25 yeah it'd be sweet yeah
49:21now now i'm you know i'm rapidly approaching even 40 it's terrifying something with gray
49:28can you see yourself on stage at like 65 oh yeah absolutely you can yeah yeah i think we'll
49:34we'll be playing all like the softer stuff though there you go you know there you go
49:37none of the head bangy stuff we'll be playing like casinos in atlantic city yeah if there are
49:41any less seated shows we'll do gasoline and then jokes for 15 minutes right right there you go there
49:46you go ladies and gentlemen give it up for seether thank you
49:51awesome thank you gentlemen mmr's dream stream concert series 93.3 wmmr everything that rocks