Tom Weschler Interview with Meltdown on WRIF
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00:00Hey guys, Meltdown here in the studio with Detroit legend, photographer extraordinaire,
00:04and of course tons of stories. Thomas Wechler. Is it Tom or Thomas? What do you prefer?
00:09Tom.
00:10Tom, okay, because I see some of your pictures here in the radio station. It does say Thomas,
00:13so I wasn't sure.
00:14Well, that's back when I was, you know, thinking about stepping up and now I'm just Tom.
00:20There you go. Well, thanks so much for coming by. You've got your Bob Seger pictures on display
00:26right now and the Detroit Metropolitan Historical Museum. Yes, we do. Yeah. Tell us about that.
00:32Well, it's, it came about by, um, the people down there wanted to have a Bob Seger day. You know,
00:40it's official Michigan Bob Seger day was last Friday and they wanted to have a show there. So,
00:47um, Alex green, my manager set it up with them that they could take a look at some of my stuff
00:54and see what they wanted to do. And they saw my book and they realized that there was enough
01:01pictures of Seger in that book that they wanted to put them all on the wall there. So they'd picked
01:06out about 30 pictures and we went ahead and did it and they made big 16 by twenties of them all.
01:12It's really a nice exhibit. It kind of knocked me out when I saw it at first. I, you know, I never,
01:18I'm the, I just take the pictures, you know what I mean? All of a sudden I walk in and there's all my,
01:23they're all over the wall. It was great. It cracked me up and, and they had, um,
01:29my camera case from the old days with all the stickers on it. And, uh, my old F3 sitting in
01:36there in the, they had like a, uh, uh, window display of, of stuff. And I was, um, knocked out.
01:46It was not, it was very cool. Now, are you a, I mean, this might be a stupid question,
01:50but are you a picture guy? Like, for example, I have a rock room at my house and I think I lost
01:54track of pictures. I have over 200 pictures on my walls. Do you have a lot of pictures on your
01:58walls or do you kind of keep it for other things? Not on my walls, but I have over, um, 38,000 rock
02:06and roll pictures. Wow. I got lucky, uh, a while back, back in 2008, um, Lenny Sinclair. I don't,
02:13do you know who she is? John Sinclair's wife. Anyway, Lenny called me and she's a photographer.
02:19She called me. She said, you got to talk to these guys. You're not going to believe this,
02:23what they're doing. These guys from Minnesota had a company called backstage gallery and they
02:28offered us a free scanning of all of our negatives, you know, and these, they're using
02:36four pass scans. It's like the best you can get. And it would have cost me $200,000 to get that many
02:43done. They did it for free. Wow. All they wanted to do is be able to display our work and you know,
02:49so I said, okay, well, I mean, your history goes way back and we're going to get into as much of
02:54it as we can here. But, uh, of course, you know, obviously we'll talk about the picture with, uh,
02:59Seeger and, uh, Bruce Springsteen. Okay. But what was the first like rock picture you took? Now,
03:04I think I read somewhere that, that you took a picture of the Ed Sullivan show with the Beatles,
03:09but what was the first like in-person rock picture you remember taking?
03:12The first in-person rock picture was the same year, 1964. I took a picture of a band that I managed
03:20when I was in 11th grade called We Who Are. That was my first rock picture. And after that,
03:29I started working at a music store called Artists Music. And I was the 17 year old kid driving the
03:37truck and, you know, setting up amps and stuff around for different venues because back then
03:43bands that were big, like the Doors and Hendrix, they, they didn't have semis with equipment. They
03:49just got their, the promoters had to rent or if they were, if the band was sponsored by a manufacturer,
03:57they would get the equipment. Well, we had it all at my music store and I was the truck driver. So I
04:03always took my camera. That's why I got backstage pictures of Hendrix and the Doors and, uh, the
04:09birds and, you know, all kinds of bands that played at, at Cobo, even before the Grandy ballroom.
04:15That is unreal. So how many times did you see Hendrix and the Doors?
04:19Uh, three times. Wow. Each. No kidding. Yeah. I was there when the Doors recorded their,
04:24uh, the album. They did some in Boston and some in Detroit for their live album. That was in 1970.
04:30And before that, I saw them twice in, uh, 68. Now in the seventies and the eighties and stuff,
04:38were you pretty much a fixture in the rock scene? Were you at all the shows?
04:41Pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. I knew all the, um, union guys. Okay. They always let me in. Cause they,
04:47cause, cause they, they always wanted to give pictures of whoever was there, you know, with them.
04:52Yeah. And I was the guy and most photographers just said, no, I can't do that. You know, I did.
04:57And I gave them the picture the next time I was there. So I started getting in no problem.
05:03Yeah. And how many of these artists did you actually like become friends with?
05:07Well, I, I don't know if friends is the right word, but acquaintances, I, you know, a lot of them.
05:14I mean, everybody from Kenny Rogers to Sammy Hagar, you know, I've become acquainted with.
05:22Yeah. And back in the day when people didn't have cameras in their pockets, I guess you were the man,
05:26right? Exactly. Now everybody's a photographer. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And some are good and some
05:31aren't. Yeah. I heard that. So where, where's the first time you meet Bob Seger? The first time I met
05:37him? Yeah. 1964. He was playing the hideout in Harper woods, Michigan. And it's a place that Punch Andrews,
05:47um, owned. It was a teenage nightclub and he was playing there. And so my friends and I from Rochester
05:55drove all the way down there to see him because you know, where back then, wherever Seger was,
06:01that's where the girls were. Okay. You know, we were in high school. And so anyway, I got down there
06:06and we walked in and the, the doorman was a guy named Buzzy Van Houten. And he was a, an acquaintance
06:13of mine as well. I knew him cause of punch. Yeah. I think I've met Buzz. Yeah. Yeah. Tall. Yeah. He
06:18used to work here. Yeah. Years ago. Yeah. So Buzzy and I, you know, we talked for a minute and then I
06:24went inside and there was this really nice girl there. She said, Hey, let's go out to the car and
06:29talk things over. I said, okay. And I, and we went out to the, to the, her car and on the way back in,
06:37she said, you know, I don't know if we can get back in because you know, once you're stamped,
06:41you can't come back in, I said, no re-entry. Yeah. I said, don't worry. I know the front door
06:45guy. And right then the side door of the club opened, the bands weren't playing yet. It was
06:51still the beginning of the night. Tells you how fast we were in the car. Anyway, the door opened
06:58and Bob came out to have a cigarette. So I said, let's go over this way. I had met him only briefly.
07:05I really didn't know him. I went up and I said, Hey, Bob, can, can we come back in this way? He goes,
07:10you guys already in? I said, yeah. He said, yeah, go ahead. So we start walking in and Buzzy comes up
07:18to me and he said, Hey, where's that girl that you were with? I said, what do you mean? She's
07:22right. She wasn't there. She was back at the door talking to Bob and Buzzy goes, won't see her no
07:27more. Did you, did, did you ever have a relationship with her or no? No, no, no. Okay. So, so then you,
07:37you started to, uh, you started to manage Bob Seger. What year was that? No, I didn't manage
07:41him. My, I was his road manager. Well, okay. Right. Road manager. Okay.
07:45Yeah. Yeah. For people that don't know, punch Andrews is a legendary manager from the area
07:51and he's managed everyone from Bob Seger to Kid Rock and everything in between. Um, I started
07:57in 1969 as a 68, actually as a roadie. My buddy was the road manager from a sky, uh, Richard
08:05Kreutz camp. We called him crinkle. Okay. Uh, crinkle was road manager of Seger at the time
08:11in 68. And he called me and said, Hey, one of my guys is sick. Can you come down and help
08:17me set up for Seger at Callahan hall at UOD? And I went, yeah, sure. So I went down to the
08:24university of Detroit, met him and Seger and all the guys in the band and stuff and helped
08:28him set up. And then he said to me, he said, you want to go down to Carbondale, Illinois
08:33tomorrow? I went, why? He said, cause we're playing at Southern Illinois university. I said,
08:39okay, this is all in my book. Okay. Yeah. So we got down there and I kind of liked being
08:45on the road, you know, it was fun. And then we went to St. Louis and then Kansas city and you
08:50know, the whole little Midwestern thing. And, uh, it was kind of cool. And then one
08:56of his, um, I don't know what happened, but he got sick. I think one of his boys gave him
09:02the wrong stuff. He got real sick, had to go in the hospital and punch called me, said,
09:08you're a road manager now. I went, okay, this was in about March of 69. And I stayed road
09:15manager until 1974 when I had to back up because Seger was starting to make lots of money and they
09:23needed an accountant, road manager, somebody that, and I can't even add, I'm not good at
09:28that. Subtract nothing like that. So, uh, that's what happened.
09:33And were you taking, were you, were you road managing and taking pictures or did that come?
09:37Yeah. Oh yeah. I always had my actual camera with me.
09:40Yeah. Maybe your ax too. Who knows? No ax. Yeah. So, uh, so you're, you're taking pictures
09:48the whole time and you're just road managing and then you come back in, in 74 and then what
09:54do you do? And I started working in the office more and we had a new guy to take over as road
10:01manager in between me and bill Blackwell. Oh yeah. Bill still works for Bob today. Right. Um,
10:08and Billy was in his last year of college. So he had to graduate first and then he did,
10:14and he's an accountant and a road manager. Perfect for Bob. Yeah. And then Seger just went
10:20big. Yeah. It took off. Yeah. Yeah. And I did some album cover work for him. I did a lot
10:26of stuff for him, a lot of different photos. He'd call me and he didn't like other people taking
10:33his picture. I don't know why, I guess, cause I always showed it to him right away and, uh,
10:38I developed my own film so I didn't have to wait for labs or anything. Yeah. Back in the
10:43day. Yeah. Yeah. So then that picture that we were talking about earlier with, uh, Springsteen,
10:47I'm sure you've talked about this a million times, but where, was that backstage at Pine
10:50Knob? Yeah. Pine Knob. Okay. 1978, September. And Ken Calvert was back there. And at the time
10:56was he working in radio or was he working for the record company? He was working for
11:00CBS. Okay. He, uh, he quit radio and became a promotion man. Right. And he called me and
11:07he said, listen, I, I got a request from Bruce. He wants to go out to Pine Knob and meet Bob.
11:13Can you call punch and see if that's okay? Cause I was still in the organization, not officially,
11:20but I knew all of the people and he knew that. So I said, I said, yeah, I called punch and
11:25he goes Springsteen. Yeah, sure. Bring them out. Simple as that. So we went out there and
11:30got pictures and you know, how, how big was Bruce at this point? I can't, he was going
11:35to, he was playing Masonic. Okay. So he wasn't, he wasn't a monster yet, but he was getting
11:40there. Yeah. When I was, when I, I was getting, I was thinking about talking, you'd say, and
11:45I put, uh, I put the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the one to run, uh, um, yeah. Born to run.
11:52Oh yeah. What an awesome, it's one of my favorite records of all time. I'm not a huge
11:56Bruce fan, but that record, it's almost like they just sat in a studio and just cranked
12:00out songs like they were live. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure that's the way it was a lot
12:04of it. So then, uh, so then you guys go backstage and had, and Bob had never met Bruce before.
12:10No. Okay. He went to a concert to see him in Ann Arbor when, uh, Bruce played up there
12:15someplace. I don't know where, but he, he saw him and he liked him. So I knew it was going
12:21to be a no brainer, you know, and then they hit it off like that. Yeah. Yeah. And so,
12:26and so you're, you're standing there and Calvert's there and then, uh, uh, Rosalie Trombley,
12:30right? Yeah. And she was there. She was from Windsor. CKLW. Yeah. And she had a, she had
12:35a, a key, uh, part in a lot of these early bands careers. She was the music director of
12:41the most powerful station in, in, in the Midwest of America, 50,000 clear channel,
12:48right? All the way down to new Orleans. Yeah. Yeah. She was powerful. And so people wanted to
12:53get their, uh, their records played on her, her station for sure. So then, uh, so Bruce meets,
12:58uh, Bob Seger. Do you remember anything about that initial meeting?
13:01Yeah, I was there. I mean, well, did they, did you, you saw them meet at that point?
13:06Ken Calvert introduced them. Yeah. And I said, fellas, let me get a picture. And I had John
13:13Rapp, one of the guys I hired years ago. He's an ex Navy SEAL. He was Bob's bodyguard by that
13:20time. I said, Johnny, don't let any of these other photographers in here for a few minutes.
13:25Okay. And they're all out there, you know, in the hallway and swearing at me and stuff. And John's
13:31just standing there, not letting anybody in. And then I got all the pictures I wanted. And then
13:36everybody came in. I mean, I mean, you know, obviously I walked by that picture all the time,
13:40but, uh, I've seen that picture in Detroit for years. Did, did, did you know at that time that
13:45was going to become kind of like iconic? No. Yeah. I just thought it was a good picture of two guys
13:50that liked each other. Yeah. Two entertainers that liked each other. And that, that became,
13:57they talk about that picture all the time. I don't know why. I think last time Bruce was
14:05here, uh, Bob went up on stage with them. Oh yeah. And the same thing at, uh, Madison
14:11Square Garden. Bruce, Bruce came out to play a couple of tunes with Bob when they were there
14:16back in, I think it was 2016, maybe. Yeah. You just showed me that a picture of Paul Stanley.
14:22Are we allowed to talk about that? I don't even know. Yeah. Why not? Okay. So you got this picture
14:26that you took of Paul Stanley holding up their first gold record. Where was that at? That was
14:30at Cobo arena. Okay. Yeah. And so he had never seen that before. No, he didn't see it. And the guy
14:36that there was a gallery in Birmingham called the Robert Kidd gallery. And Gerard Marti, he's from Paris,
14:45the French guy that owns it. And he said, do you have any pictures of kiss? And I showed him that
14:51one on my phone. And he said, Oh my goodness, that's Paul Stanley. I said, yeah. He goes, I'm
14:57friends with him. He called Paul Stanley and he said, Hey, listen, I got a picture of you getting
15:03your first gold record here in Detroit. And he goes, really? How? And then he sent it to him on a text
15:10to his cell phone. And he goes, Oh yeah. I remember who Tommy took this, you know? And
15:17the guy in kiss remembered me. He said, yeah, well, I was friends with their manager, Bill
15:22Alcoyne. Yeah. And, uh, and he said, yeah, put him on the phone. He said, Hey, listen, man,
15:28you can give him one, one of those, give him a big one and I'll buy it from him. I said, okay,
15:33no, no problem. And we did. So, um, kiss obviously broke out of here and they played big concerts
15:40here. Were you always at those shows? Yeah. I went to most of them. Uh, and, um, how hard did
15:45you try to get a picture of them? I went to all the shows in Detroit. How hard did you try to get
15:48a picture of them without their makeup on? I actually never, I never took a picture of them
15:54without their makeup on. Charlie Oranger from cream magazine did. He took the whole band outside and
16:01shot pictures of them and they, but they knew it. Yeah. But he showed me the pictures the next
16:06day. I said, who's that? I didn't know. Yeah. Cause for people that, that may be a little bit
16:13younger, that was the whole thing, right? Wasn't it to try to get a picture of kiss without their
16:16makeup? Yeah. But no, how, you know, they always wear it or they don't come out. I just heard
16:22it. Ace tell a story about where they were flying into Japan. They had to, and they wanted
16:26to bill a coin and said, put your makeup on for the people when they land, then they landed
16:30and TSA, whatever it's called over in Japan, didn't know who they were. They had to take
16:33their makeup off, then go back in and put their makeup back on to show them the pictures
16:37on their, uh, yeah, their ID and their passport. Yeah. Yeah. That was a crazy time back here
16:43in Detroit. Wasn't it with Jay Giles, Seeger, uh, Nugent, uh, kiss, all these bands, a lot
16:48of bands broke out of Detroit. That's for sure. And Detroit was a, was a, an a market, even
16:55though it's not nearly as big as Philadelphia or New York or LA, but you got to break it
17:02in Detroit if you're going to make it. Yeah. Yeah. You're not the first person to tell me
17:06that. I think Gene Simmons told me that almost exactly word by word. So you got to break out
17:10in the middle. Then the coast might get you then. Yeah, exactly. That's how Seeger did.
17:15He, he started playing here down South East coast, lower East coast, Florida. Then he went
17:22to New York and we did well there too, but not till later. You got pictures with Cooper
17:28and stuff like that. Oh yeah. Yeah. Grand funk. I'm sure. We, we did a tour with Alice
17:33Cooper, uh, early, early in 1969. And I think it was in the fall of 69. It was probably still
17:41the Alice Cooper band at that time. Yeah, it was. Yeah. We were playing in Iowa. We did three
17:49dates with them on the second date. I called punch. I said, listen, man, can we open for
17:54these guys instead of them opening for us? And he says, why? I said, cause they have a
17:59pillow fight at the end of their show. And it takes me and ACE like a half an hour to clear
18:06off the drums and stuff. You get all the feathers off. And punch goes, no, you can't. And he hung up.
18:16So we kept on cleaning up feathers for the rest of the tour.
18:20So have you, did you become friends with Alice? I knew him a little bit, not, not a lot, but you
18:27know, I, they were, they were local. They, they practiced in a garage in Warren when I met
18:35him. Um, Leo Fenn was a guy's name who was like acting as their, I don't know if he was
18:42their manager or what, but he, he was a friend of mine cause he worked for Cadillac and we were
18:48always trying to get the Cadillac account to take pictures for our studio. And I went over
18:53there one day and the band was rehearsing in his garage. Yeah. There's a lot of stories
18:59from Alice back in the, back in the day. Um, when the eighties comes along, were you still
19:03taking pictures and stuff? Yeah, not as much, but I was, I got married in, in the early eighties
19:09and then we had kids and I sort of kind of curtailed that part, but I had a studio that
19:15I worked at and, um, we did mostly, I was in charge of models. Hmm. I, I told them that's
19:25what I want to do. You guys, they, they took care, took pictures of machines and cars and
19:29stuff. I liked doing the models. It was fun. Or the models with cars. Yeah. So, so you start
19:37slowing down as far as, as far as the, uh, rock shows and stuff go. Were you doing other kinds
19:41of shows too, besides rock shows? Oh yeah. Everything. I did lots of R and B. Yeah. I
19:45mean, I, me and Donna summer got along like that. Is that right? Yeah. So cool. She was
19:50from Germany and she came, man, she was great. And, uh, Natalie Cole, I was friends with her
19:56and, and I knew all the R and B promotion guys are buddies of mine. We used to go out to
20:01CHB. I was driving out one time in the limo with, um, George Clinton. He was, uh, and CHB
20:10is out by the airport in Romulus. So we were driving out there and boy, George came on the
20:16radio and George Clinton turned that up and he turned around to me and he goes, this guy
20:22can see. Well, he was a little more vocal. Right. Right. And, and I went, yeah, I'm hip
20:29man. But, but, um, being a photographer back in those days, you got to build up a little bit
20:36of trust with the bands. Don't you? Yeah. Because, because nowadays everyone's a photographer
20:39like we were talking about, but back in the day, you know, run DMC came to town, you know,
20:46rap group, and they were here to work with, um, Richard golden. Yeah. And the, uh, the sexy
20:54specs. Yeah. And, uh, I took photos of them going around to different stations with the shades
21:02and with Richard golden, you know, and all that. And I got, they had a, um, meeting at
21:09this restaurant and he said, well, we're, we're going to have lunch now. So I ran up to
21:13my lab. These were all color pictures. So I had to get them processed at the lab. And
21:19I had my guy do them instantly, did them like within 20 minutes. And I came back down there
21:24and I gave them to the band and, and run looked at me and he goes, you're the fastest photographer
21:31I've ever seen. I said, well, thank you, sir. That's when I got my nickname photographer.
21:38Photographer. Yep. All right. So was there any artists that, that like, just didn't like to be
21:44photographed that you had a hard time getting pictures of Freddie Mercury? Really? Okay.
21:48Loved taking pictures on stage. Yeah. But he had parties, which I went to several that one we had
21:54at the, um, um, um, DB, DBs. What was it? In, in, in Dearborn, the hotel there in Dearborn,
22:02the one with the copper windows, big place. There was a party there for them. And I got pictures
22:10of the other guys with DJs and all that. And Freddie was just sitting on, on the side of the room
22:18by himself, you know, just, I guess just being by himself. So he said to me, he said,
22:25please don't take any pictures of me. I said, I won't, I have no intention. And if you don't want
22:31it, I won't do it. Well, at least he was nice about it. Yeah, he was. And he said, could you please
22:35get me a Coke? And I went, yeah, sure. I went and got him a Coke. And, um, he, he just had somebody
22:42go sit down. He said, thank you very much. You're very polite. And I said, well, thank you. You are
22:49very polite as well. You're not a posh Englishman. Like I expected. He said, Oh no, I'm not posh.
22:57Yeah. That was a great biopic that, uh, Bohemian. That movie was great. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I remember
23:04watching a black Sabbath one time with Ronnie James Dio and, um, great singer. Yeah. Awesome.
23:10Awesome guy to a super nice guy. And he purposely, I think, cause you've got the first two or three
23:16songs or whatever the case is mostly, you know? Yeah. And he like, he went over every photographer's
23:21head and did the devil horns thing. Like just to give them great shots. Was there a lot of guys that
23:25would do that kind of stuff for you? Yeah. Well, no, there's not that many people that
23:30love photographers that I hear. Nowadays I hear from my buddies. Taylor Swift is one who
23:38absolutely adores the photographers. As a matter of fact, my, my buddy, Kenny, um, I don't know
23:45if you know him. He's, uh, I've never met him, but we have, we have mutual friends. You know,
23:50he, he, uh, told me a story. He said the last time she was in Detroit, she gathered the
23:55photographers together. And she said, listen, the next time you come to any of my shows,
24:00I want you to park right by the back door. So you don't have to walk to your cars. You
24:07don't have to pay in your passes. They'll be waiting for you. And sure enough, the next
24:11time she played Ford field, that happened. So I think that's a pretty cool thing. Yeah.
24:17It's nice when, when bands take care of people like that back in the day when I was telling
24:20about telling you about Ronnie James Dio though, he would take those pictures and those pictures
24:23that end up in magazines or the newspaper or whatever. Nowadays, you know, people take
24:27these pictures and they end up on social media, like 30 seconds later. Yeah. And they look
24:31terrible. Yeah. Some of them do look bad. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, a lot of them with phones and
24:35they're a little, you know, they can't make them real big. I, uh, had an experience with,
24:41um, WRIF back in the day when it was over at broadcast house, Arthur was interviewing.
24:49I never heard of them, but go ahead. Arthur was interviewing deep purple and I was there
24:56to take pictures of it. And you know, um, Richie Blackmore never shows up. Right. He, and he
25:04didn't show up to that one either, but Arthur who knew me and he knew that my wife was pregnant
25:10and at the time he goes, you got a name for that kid yet. And I said, well, not really,
25:18you know, I, you know, and then Ian, um, Gillian said, what about Ian? I went, oh, I like that.
25:28And Ian Pace, the drummer said, yeah, Ian's that's a good name. Then one of their roadies
25:34that was with them was named Ian. And so I called my wife from the in store or in store
25:40in, uh, studio, studio phone. And I said, what about Ian? She goes, that's perfect.
25:47And I said, Arthur, it's going to be Ian. And all these English guys are going, all right.
25:54So did the next time, did you see them again after that? Yeah. And you told him she named
25:59your son, Ian? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And they, uh, that's something they'd remember. Yeah. Ian Pace
26:04remembered me for, he said, how's your kid? I said, Ian. Oh, he's fine.
26:12We called my son, Butch all the way up until the day he was born. And to this day, Arthur is the
26:16only one that calls him, Butch. How's Butchie doing? You know? Uh, but, uh, no, those are great
26:22stories, man. Um, you should write a book. Yeah. Maybe next time. Yeah, no, I got you. Um,
26:29no, that's awesome. So when was the last time you shot a concert? Um, the last concert I shot was
26:34at Pine Knob. It was, uh, Bob was playing and he called me, wanted me to come out cause rock
26:41was going to come out. Yeah. And so I shot the two of them on stage rapping. Yeah. Believe it or
26:47not. Yeah. I said, Seegers, I said to him, I said, you're not going to go out there and rap,
26:52are you? He goes, Oh no, hell no. All of a sudden rocks rock starts is resting and Bob
26:59comes along. So was it kid rock show or was it Bob? It was Bob show. Okay. But rock went
27:06out and did a tune. Yeah. Have you met kid rock a bunch of times? Oh yeah. Yeah. I shot
27:12pictures of him for a long time. He's a nice guy. Great guy. Yeah. He's he's, uh, you know,
27:18people, uh, give them a hard time and this, any other thing, but, uh, and I'm starting to talk
27:22like him now. He says it all the time, this, that, and the other, but, uh, he, uh, he donates a lot
27:26to charity. He's always taking care of, uh, my family and me. And even one of my friends who got
27:32hurt at his concert, he took really good care of them, you know, and, uh, that's a, that's a long
27:37story for another time, but, uh, yeah, he's a, he's a really good guy. What about other Detroit
27:41guys? Have you had a chance to shoot like Jack white or anything? Uh, Jack white, I shot his very first
27:47band in my studio. We put up a big parachute behind them and, and the, the go was the name
27:54of that band. And years later, I met him at a, another show. And I said, remember the picture
28:03of the, of the go that you, he goes, yeah, yeah. You had that studio. I said, yeah. And
28:10you and I went over to my house was only a quarter mile away from the studio and listened to the
28:15record that you produced. And it was, he goes, yeah, you thought it sounded like the
28:20Grandy ballroom. I said, yeah, that's right. It did. Yeah. That's great. Well, I'll tell
28:25you what, uh, we'll, uh, we'll push everybody towards the Detroit Metropolitan Historical
28:29Museum. Uh, that's, uh, with your Bob Seger display coming up, uh, through September 22nd.
28:34How many pictures are there in there? Uh, how many? 36, 36. Okay. And they're 16 by twenties.
28:42They're real big, big ones. Yeah. Yeah. That's, um, we put all that together. Thanks to
28:49my management, the green group. That's right. Got to give Alex a plug, even though he's too
28:55shy to be on camera, but yeah, he's standing right here and he's taller than me. It makes
29:00two of us. Well, Tom, thank you so much for coming down and doing this. And, uh, and, uh,
29:06you'll get a walk around this building a little bit and see some more of your pictures.
29:08It was my pleasure. Thank you very much.