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00:00I have an auto lab technician.
00:01Matthew Beesville, Derry, Tom Mazzoway,
00:03being in the studio momentarily,
00:05four said cross-tucked.
00:06You know what?
00:07We still got those Airbus passes to give away.
00:10Yeah.
00:11Yeah, you know what?
00:12Right now, let's give it to the 8th caller,
00:13248-544-1051,
00:16and you will get an Airbus VIP package,
00:19including tickets to Airbus,
00:21T-shirts, and Michigan-made products.
00:23248-544-1051, 8th caller, right now.
00:27Rico, you know, when we started this show,
00:30when did we start this show doing four hours?
00:34Three weeks ago, a month ago?
00:35Right, right, the Labor Day weekend.
00:37Yeah, Labor Day weekend.
00:38So about a month now we've been doing...
00:40I cannot say that this has to be
00:44the fastest four-hour show we've ever done.
00:48Yeah, you know what?
00:49It feels like we just got in the studio.
00:50I didn't want to say anything,
00:52because it was one of those,
00:53okay, as soon as I say something,
00:55it was just going to come to a halt.
00:57But yes, this has flown by.
01:00The fact that I had to try to sneak in
01:02your fantasy lineup,
01:04I'm like, okay, if I don't do it now, guys,
01:07the show's going to be over.
01:07How in the world did we do a two-hour show?
01:09I just don't even know how you do it.
01:11Yeah, two-hour show means,
01:13yeah, you can probably just come in here
01:15and be like, okay, Lions suck.
01:17Go.
01:172-4-8, 5-4-4, 1-5-1.
01:19And now let's have Matt Derry join us
01:21in the crosstalk.
01:22Right, I mean, it's one of those things
01:24that people are real passionate about
01:25what happened at Ford Field yesterday.
01:29And I'll always say this, you know,
01:31I will never encourage you
01:33to not show up to the game.
01:35But I think we're at the point where
01:37if you want real change for this football team,
01:40that's what's going to have to happen.
01:43I mean, in all-out fan revolt,
01:45because I don't think this ownership group
01:47hears you as loudly as, you know,
01:51just booing yesterday.
01:53I mean, I was...
01:54It's going to require sacrifice,
01:56and sacrifice means you're not going to show up.
01:58Sacrifice means you have to make a statement.
02:01Sacrifice means Thanksgiving Day
02:03when the world is held hostage
02:05in watching this game.
02:06Oh, right.
02:07Every Thanksgiving Day,
02:09you have to only have
02:1010,000 people in the stands.
02:12That is your message.
02:14I mean, we love football in this country,
02:16and these, I'll tell you.
02:18Oh, yeah.
02:19I don't...
02:19I heard they've got to take away
02:20that Thanksgiving game.
02:21Oh, there's an old bit.
02:22Woo-hoo-hoo!
02:23Woo!
02:25Oh, that's awesome.
02:26Did we get that on camera?
02:27I heard the Ford...
02:28Yes, that was beautiful!
02:30I hear the Ford's need to sell.
02:31But I don't know what you do
02:33short of a complete rebuild.
02:35I didn't know Mayhew was
02:37Millie's right-hand man.
02:38Complete do-over.
02:39I heard...
02:40What?
02:45Can we talk about something, Alan?
02:47No, I'm just kidding.
02:48By the way, Armani,
02:49I got a little birdie told me
02:50you basically laid down
02:52in fantasy football
02:53and don't care.
02:54You didn't hear that from me.
02:55You don't even put a line-up together.
02:57It was an oversight.
03:00You're a lying sack.
03:01It was an oversight.
03:02I got a text late last night
03:04from somebody that said
03:05CrossDog's going to be money
03:06when you bring this up
03:07and showed me the lineup
03:08and the amount of players
03:08that were deactivated
03:09or inactive.
03:10You don't even look at your lineup
03:12and make a change.
03:13I think his quarterback...
03:13It's a disgrace.
03:14His quarterback was Brett Favre.
03:16No, my quarterback was...
03:18You know who told me?
03:19That kind of like that.
03:19His quarterback was Brett Favre.
03:21The quarterback was really good.
03:26It was Brett Favre, wasn't it?
03:27No, it was Carson Favre.
03:29Jerry Rice.
03:29Carson Favre looked good yesterday.
03:31Dude, that throw to John Brown,
03:33the bomb out of the end zone
03:34was silky.
03:36That was a sweet, sweet throw.
03:38Too bad our quarterback here
03:39can't make that throw.
03:40How about a five-play,
03:4199-and-a-half-yard drive?
03:44Thanks for playing.
03:45That was tasty, wasn't it?
03:46That was, guys, watch this.
03:48Gosh.
03:49You know, we could sit here
03:50and do the Fords bit
03:51and the Mayhew bit
03:52and the Juan bit.
03:54Oh, yeah.
03:55No, and I know.
03:55And I do want to talk
03:56a little bit about
03:57the actual game yesterday.
03:59How? Why?
03:59I will be the first to say, though...
04:01You can do break it down.
04:03It doesn't matter.
04:03From the inside.
04:03You know what?
04:04You know what, Dees?
04:05Dees?
04:06We get a dinner out of it.
04:08You should be happy.
04:08I can't keep up
04:09with all the Mazaway bets.
04:11I can't keep up.
04:12He did apologize on Twitter
04:14for his lock of the day.
04:15Dude, he sent me a picture
04:16of himself at Kroger
04:17in the tissue aisle.
04:18Did you see that up
04:20on Twitter and Facebook?
04:21It's all over.
04:22If you go to
04:22DetroitSports1051's
04:23Facebook page
04:24and at Dsports1051
04:26on Twitter,
04:26you'll see the picture
04:27of Maz.
04:29It's up there.
04:31You know, you want
04:31my take on it?
04:33If you're ownership today,
04:36very simple.
04:37Very simple.
04:38You fire Martin Mayhew today.
04:40Now, this is waiting.
04:40We're going to wait
04:41until the end of the season.
04:42You're going to wait
04:43until the bye week?
04:43No.
04:44Now, right now.
04:45The bye week?
04:46Martin Mayhew
04:47is to blame for this.
04:49The team isn't good enough.
04:50They're not talented enough.
04:51He hired the coaches.
04:53He hired the staff.
04:55Martin Mayhew should go.
04:56Today.
04:57And you can do that
04:58because you have
04:59a former general manager
05:01as your senior personnel executive
05:03in Brian Zanders
05:04who has run teams
05:06before in Denver.
05:07And look,
05:07I don't want Zanders
05:08as GM next year
05:09because that will just
05:10keep the old bid bus
05:12running in the same lane.
05:14The milling pipeline.
05:15Right?
05:16But at least he can be
05:18the interim GM
05:18and knows how to run a team
05:19for 11 to 12 weeks.
05:21I'm not giving up
05:21on the season going
05:22they're going to do anything.
05:23I refuse to go,
05:24oh, it's Cider Mill Sundays now.
05:26I'm not going.
05:27I will be at Ford Field Sunday
05:29for Lions Bears.
05:30Me personally, I'm going.
05:31I will be there.
05:32Why?
05:33Why?
05:33Because it's the Lions
05:35and they play football.
05:36Because we're all sickos like that.
05:38You probably lost the bet.
05:39No.
05:39Did we have that drop?
05:40It didn't.
05:40I didn't lose the bet.
05:41But Brian Zanders
05:42could take over
05:43for the remainder of the year.
05:45You fire Martin Mayhew today.
05:46Team's not good enough.
05:47I'm not a sheep.
05:49I'm going to watch the game.
05:51I'm not one of these
05:52that's going to go,
05:53season's over.
05:53You guys should stop going.
05:56Stop going.
05:57You guys put the bags
05:58over your heads
05:59and had the Millen Man
06:00March years ago.
06:01And they got rid of him.
06:03He left after that season.
06:04But you came right back.
06:07Everybody goes.
06:09This narrative is
06:10why you're sheep.
06:12But, but, okay.
06:13This is why
06:14no change will ever happen.
06:16Look, I'm not,
06:17do I think Mayhew's
06:18going to get fired today?
06:19No.
06:20Do I think Mayhew's
06:21going to get fired
06:21down the road?
06:22Probably not.
06:24As Ryan said
06:25at the start of the show
06:25and he was very eloquent about it.
06:27They probably won't
06:28make these changes
06:29because the Fords are loyal.
06:30Drew Sharp said
06:31the same thing to you guys.
06:32A lot of the same.
06:33Scotty McEwen's been running
06:34scouting for 30 years.
06:3730 years!
06:39Oh, just this year
06:40he got semi-demoted
06:41and Lance Newmark
06:42has taken over
06:43on WMGCFM HD1 Detroit.
06:46Lance Newmark
06:47has been in scouting
06:48since like 98, 99!
06:50Hello?
06:51These are all people
06:51that have been around
06:52too long.
06:54Or maybe,
06:54oh wait, excuse me.
06:55Regardless,
06:56you see my point.
06:58But what I do today
06:59is I would,
07:00I would relieve
07:01Martin Mayhew
07:02of his duties today.
07:03Dees, when you hit me
07:04with that fact,
07:04what, 25 years or so
07:06that the scouting person
07:07has been,
07:08that's a government job.
07:08Scotty McEwen.
07:09That's a government job.
07:10Look it up!
07:10That's a job you can't
07:11get fired from.
07:12Right.
07:12Seriously,
07:13how do you defend
07:14bringing him 25 years?
07:17How do you defend that?
07:18Your only hits
07:19are players
07:20who fell in your lap
07:21like Barry Sanders,
07:23like Calvin Johnson,
07:24who other teams
07:25chose somebody else.
07:27It fell in their lap.
07:28If Green Bay
07:29wasn't so into
07:31Tony Mandridge,
07:34Barry Sanders
07:34would have been a backer.
07:35Right.
07:36So, I don't know how,
07:38that to me
07:39is just system,
07:41it's just why.
07:43You can't even
07:44find a word for it.
07:44Right.
07:45It's why the Lions
07:46are the Lions.
07:47That your director,
07:48your scouting person
07:49has been there
07:50for 25 years.
07:51And if you sat there
07:52in a room and said,
07:53okay,
07:53justify to me
07:54why you should have
07:55been here,
07:56what is he going to say?
07:57Well,
07:57we won one playoff game.
07:59That's it.
08:00That's it.
08:01They didn't even win
08:01the playoff game.
08:02Well,
08:03since McEwen
08:04has been in scouting,
08:07they won a playoff game
08:08because he's been there
08:08for 30 years.
08:09But,
08:10the organization has said,
08:11and I give them credit for it.
08:12I liked when Tom LeJuan
08:13talked big and said,
08:14look,
08:15when they were at a
08:16press conference
08:17for that Quicklane Bowl
08:18last year,
08:19and they said,
08:19well,
08:19maybe you're going to
08:20have a Super Bowl back?
08:20He goes,
08:21we want to be in the game.
08:22And that's good.
08:23It's good thinking.
08:25But the talk,
08:26that's all we've heard
08:26is talk.
08:27Martin should go.
08:28That 2014 draft,
08:30and maybe I'm repeating myself,
08:32it's a death blow.
08:34It's a death blow.
08:35What about the 2015 draft?
08:36You've got three
08:37Hall of Fame players.
08:39Three Hall of Fame players.
08:40And Odell Beckham Jr.,
08:41Aaron Donald,
08:42Zach Martin.
08:43They're going to be
08:43Hall of Famers.
08:45They would have been
08:46Fitz here.
08:47And you pass on them
08:49for Eric E.
08:50That's a killer.
08:51It kills your progress
08:52when you're trying to
08:53keep talent together.
08:55What about the
08:55Kyle Van Nooy selection?
08:57He was deactivated.
08:58And that's another thing.
08:59Jim Caldwell's making a big statement
09:02and has now done it three times
09:04to tell ownership,
09:06hey, when you make your choice,
09:08Martha, this offseason,
09:09here's a couple of things
09:11on my resume.
09:13Number one,
09:14this Tahir Whitehead,
09:15watch what I do with him
09:16in the preseason.
09:17When I benched him,
09:18made him play in the fourth
09:19preseason game,
09:20he ain't that good.
09:22So I had to try to get
09:23the most out of him
09:23and do that.
09:24Then he deactivates
09:25a healthy second-round pick
09:27in Kyle Van Nooy
09:27from two years ago.
09:28Not even injured.
09:30And then yesterday,
09:31he pulled his quarterback.
09:33He basically thumbed his nose
09:34upstairs and said,
09:35watch this.
09:36He's out,
09:37and I'm bringing in
09:38the backup that you gave me,
09:39albeit I know Orlovsky
09:41was in Caldwell's system
09:41in Indianapolis.
09:42But those are messages
09:45to ownership that
09:46I don't have a lot
09:47of your time on.
09:48Did you cause Orlovsky
09:50handing the ball off
09:51to Zach Zinner?
09:52Did you ever think
09:53you'd be saying that
09:54or hearing that?
09:54In a regular season game?
09:56No.
09:56You're like,
09:57what am I,
09:57in the fourth season,
09:58the fourth quarter
09:59of the preseason?
10:00Yeah.
10:01He benched a lot of people
10:02and I give him credit
10:04because that's probably
10:05the first time a coach
10:06has stood up to Stafford
10:07and said,
10:08either do better
10:09or I'll sit you.
10:11Because Stafford
10:12knows,
10:12he's like,
10:12well,
10:13you're going to play
10:13this guy?
10:14You're going to play me?
10:15Yeah,
10:15whatever.
10:16Keep talking.
10:17I'm just going to go
10:17back out on the field.
10:18It's very simple.
10:19It's very simple.
10:20This organization
10:21is broken
10:22from the top down.
10:23You can fire
10:24all the offensive
10:25coordinators you want.
10:26You can get rid
10:27of the coach
10:28all you want
10:28until you get rid
10:30of the guy
10:30that picks the players.
10:31And I keep using
10:32that phrase,
10:33and I'm sorry
10:33if you're sick of it now.
10:34Nothing's going to change.
10:36The Fords are not
10:37selling the team.
10:38Stop.
10:39Don't even dial the phone
10:40and say,
10:40Fords sell the team.
10:41It's pointless.
10:42No,
10:43and in the article,
10:44I don't remember
10:45which paper it was in
10:46last week,
10:47or Bill Ford Jr.
10:48was quoted as saying,
10:49my mom's running it
10:49and she's into it
10:50and it's all good
10:51and I'm not really
10:52a part of it.
10:52Like it's Battleship.
10:53Like it's a game.
10:54They're not,
10:55well,
10:56B4,
10:56suck.
10:57It kind of is.
10:57It kind of is.
10:58At the end of this season,
10:59the Detroit Lions
11:00need to do the right thing
11:01and cut Matthew Stafford
11:02as well.
11:03I heard you say that.
11:04What about trading him
11:05to Houston
11:05or finding his sucker
11:06to take him?
11:07However,
11:07whatever you have to do,
11:08he needs to start off.
11:10Matthew Stafford
11:11should not be
11:12the starting quarterback
11:13in week one next year.
11:15I'd like to see him go
11:15and have a successful career.
11:17No question about it.
11:18You can't do it here.
11:23Poor Maz.
11:24Maz is so broken.
11:25Who's the quarterback
11:25you're going to bring in
11:26if you get rid of him?
11:27Jared Goff.
11:29All five interceptions?
11:31Jared Goff?
11:31He had a bad game.
11:32Yeah,
11:32he had a horrible game.
11:33Look,
11:33Connor Cook,
11:34everyone says
11:34a first round pick.
11:35I've watched Connor Cook
11:36throw it to the other team too.
11:37Now,
11:38fair in mind,
11:39he played a whale
11:40of a game Saturday night
11:40against Russians.
11:41You can't tell me
11:42you can't find your own
11:43Josh McCown
11:44to sit in there
11:45for a year.
11:45Josh McCown,
11:46you know what I mean?
11:47He's a stopgap
11:48that yesterday
11:48looked like Y.A. Tittle.
11:49This thing will be
11:50fixed overnight.
11:51Right.
11:52Now,
11:52he's named for a fact.
11:53But,
11:53they have been promoting
11:55and pumping up
11:56number nine
11:56for seven years.
11:57I told you to get RG3.
11:58Bring him here.
11:59Oh, please.
11:59He can't play
12:00and he's expensive.
12:01I'll take a chance.
12:01What about Mark Sanderson?
12:02Good night, everybody.
12:04Stop!
12:04Tim Tebow!
12:06Stop, please.
12:07I'll tell you,
12:07someone's going to
12:08take a chance on RG3
12:09and he's going to
12:10turn out good.
12:11The Raiders or someone.
12:12Well,
12:12the Raiders are car.
12:13He's got a leg
12:14that he's got a half a knee.
12:16If RG3 was healthy,
12:17I'd be with you.
12:18He hasn't played
12:19in a long time.
12:19His knee is shredded,
12:20Maz.
12:21Come on, brother.
12:22There's no reason for that.
12:23Yeah,
12:23maybe he's getting better
12:24for all I know.
12:25No.
12:26What about Colton McCoy?
12:28Maybe you can have
12:28a fire set up.
12:29What is going on in here?
12:30I'm sure Ryan Mallett
12:31won't be sticking around
12:32in the Texans
12:32if you saw him.
12:33Oh, there's an OB.
12:35Did you see Ryan Mallett
12:36at the end of that game?
12:38Stop.
12:38Oh, my God.
12:38You can trade Stafford
12:39for Mallett.
12:39What about Drew Stanton?
12:41I mean,
12:42guys,
12:42did Bruce Arians
12:45just pants the Lions
12:46yesterday with that one?
12:47He's been doing it
12:48all day.
12:48He brings Stanton
12:49in the game.
12:50He goes,
12:5112 personnel up front,
12:53Parker,
12:53and does a roll-out bomb
12:55on first down
12:56at 35-7.
12:58Oh,
12:58he brings in
12:59his backup quarterback.
13:00You figure,
13:00three handoffs
13:01in the playoffs.
13:02I love that coach.
13:03Arians goes,
13:04to hell with you guys.
13:05Here comes Farmington
13:06and those Harrison
13:07throwing deep up 28.
13:09That's who I want
13:09to be in my coach.
13:10Oh,
13:10what a killer.
13:11There you have been.
13:12Bruce Arians,
13:13he's going to be
13:14the mayor of Phoenix
13:15before this whole set.
13:1510 wins year one,
13:1611 wins year two,
13:17he's going to get 12 this year.
13:19One in Indy
13:19on a different basis.
13:20You mean you could have
13:21an instant turnaround
13:22and have it be sustained?
13:25Dude,
13:25the Arizona freaking Cardinals
13:26have figured it out.
13:28Yeah.
13:28They were the West Coast Lions
13:29for many years.
13:30Nobody wanted to go out
13:32to play there.
13:33You see Corey Redding
13:35thought about retirement,
13:36a former Lion
13:37who was in Indianapolis
13:38for years.
13:39And I know Corey a little bit
13:41and he was contemplating retirement
13:44and the Cardinals called him
13:45and said,
13:45yeah,
13:47Stafford to Redding
13:47was a hell of a connection.
13:49Play a Lion receiver
13:49to his old teammate.
13:51Hey,
13:51that was a familiar face.
13:52But Redding said,
13:54you know what,
13:54I've played another year
13:55and got to Arizona
13:56because it's a great culture.
13:57I screamed better.
13:58It's a great culture.
14:00Listen to that.
14:01You're talking about
14:02the Arizona Cardinals.
14:03It's a great culture
14:04out there in Arizona.
14:05It is.
14:06What?
14:07I know.
14:07I mean,
14:08it's easy to turn it around
14:10in the NFL.
14:11Exactly.
14:12There are no five-year plans.
14:14My boy Dave Reeder
14:15said they'll take him
14:16in Denver.
14:17They'll take Stafford
14:17in Denver.
14:19What?
14:20They'll take Stafford
14:20in Denver.
14:21It's not Peyton Manning.
14:22Yeah,
14:22but he's going to live forever.
14:23I mean,
14:23play forever.
14:24You know what,
14:25Dave,
14:25I know you're a big
14:26Broncos fan.
14:27Careful what you ask for.
14:29Careful what you ask for.
14:31By the way,
14:31Ron,
14:31you have that call
14:32right now.
14:33I take Benny Fowler
14:34from that Stafford.
14:36By the way,
14:36yesterday the Broncos
14:37beat the Raiders.
14:38Here's the highlight.
14:38What's the Broncos?
14:39The highlight,
14:40the highlight
14:41of the Bronco Raider game.
14:42Forget about
14:42Charles Woodson's two picks,
14:44which is awesome.
14:44He's a completely
14:46long space, man.
14:47You can't believe
14:47how good that guy is.
14:48I love it.
14:49But the highlight
14:49Heisman Coles,
14:51that would have been fun.
14:52The highlight for me was
14:55our boy Greg Papa
14:56outdid himself yesterday.
14:58Raiders first touchdown.
14:59Take a listen to this
15:00courtesy of
15:00Compass Media Network.
15:10Oh, yeah.
15:16Oh, yeah.
15:17That's how it's done.
15:18That's how it's done.
15:19I just want to play the Cup.
15:21I love that.
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15:26Guys, we'll be listening.
15:27Maybe tomorrow we can get
15:29into a little Michigan,
15:30Michigan State.
15:30We will.
15:31We will.
15:31We have to.
15:33You know, Michigan,
15:34Harbaugh and his players
15:35are infatuated with winning.
15:36You see it.
15:38And most of the Michigan fans
15:39are infatuated with
15:40Michigan State.
15:41And Michigan State's
15:42closing their program.
15:42No, they're not.
15:43Don't do it.
15:44Don't do it.
15:44Fire sale.
15:45Who's better than you, man?
15:46All right, there they are.
15:47Ryan Enrico,
15:48let's plate this dish
15:49on a Monday.
15:49Welcome in.
15:50Welcome in.
15:50Welcome in.
15:50Welcome in.
15:50Welcome in.