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The Jeremy Kyle Show 17th November 2009

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00:00Today I'll take a look back at some previous shows and see how those guests are doing now.
00:08DNA disputes.
00:10She f***ed up with a 16 year old kid, she came over me, a lad who's got no job, she runs away to Blackpool and gets the baby to call him dad.
00:19A woman who claims she'd slept with two brothers here for DNA results.
00:22I'd never sleep with your luckier, you're not even able to look after your baby.
00:25A 62 year old pensioner who wouldn't stop sleeping around.
00:28Are you having unprotected sex?
00:30Not always, no.
00:32A 62 for God's sake woman!
00:35I know but I enjoy it!
00:58Thank you very much indeed, good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:12Today I'm taking a look back at past shows and finding out how our guests will be getting on since taking part.
01:17First up, exes Sarah and Carl who were in turmoil over the paternity of Sarah's daughter.
01:22They came here to get DNA results.
01:24See if you remember them.
01:25Let's talk about how you got together, how you got pregnant so quickly, everything.
01:28Well basically, I was in college and we just met from there and my friend was going out with his friend and we just went from there basically.
01:35But you got pregnant the very first time you slept together?
01:36Yeah, basically yeah.
01:37I'm not doubting that you're a superb mother and all that but why on earth would you do that when you're in college and you meet somebody straight away let's have a baby?
01:42Well I was on the pill as well and I got caught on that so it was a bit stupid really but I wasn't, I've always said that I'd never get rid of my child and I never did and she's, I've always said that I'd never get rid of my child and I never did.
01:59And she's, I wouldn't change her, she was a mistake but I wouldn't change her for the world.
02:15Now the relationship, you know, that had had no time to grow and develop between two people because suddenly there's the pregnancy and a child, the relationship changed.
02:24You told my team that he started to lie to you.
02:26Yeah.
02:27About what?
02:28Well basically he'd say, oh I've had my wages, I've only got this much, I can't give you any money this week.
02:33I'd say, have you paid the rent?
02:35He's like, yeah, yeah I've paid it and he never paid the rent, he left me in rent and reuse when I moved.
02:40Didn't he take drugs as well?
02:42Yeah.
02:43From the very early days of the relationship?
02:45From when we first started seeing each other, yeah, he was taking them then.
02:49What?
02:50Well he was smoking weed, taking pills, taking cocaine, anything that he could get his hands on.
02:57Did you cheat on him twice?
02:59No I didn't.
03:00There was only one time that I did cheat on him and I didn't sleep with him, I snogged him.
03:04He describes her as a slag to my researchers.
03:07I believe so, yes.
03:09Is your argument not that you've made mistakes in the past, you went to prison, you were on drugs but you have turned your life around, you have come out, you are trying to be a dad and you seem to think that she's only interested in one thing, which is what?
03:23Money.
03:24Well anyway, so I forgive her both of these times and we carried on with the relationship.
03:29I was going, working every day, okay, I've been to prison, I've been a bad boy in the past.
03:34You've done a job now haven't you?
03:35Yeah, I'm doing really well.
03:37She told me she was having another baby.
03:41When I found out she wasn't having a baby, she faked the baby and then she faked a miscarriage.
03:48True?
03:49You're a liar Carl, I swear to God.
03:51Okay.
03:52Hold on a second, I don't want to drone on.
03:54Is that true?
03:55No it's not true, why would I lie about a baby Carl?
03:59Answer her.
04:00You lied about a baby.
04:02No I didn't Carl.
04:03I phoned the hospital in the chat, you weren't even there.
04:05Whatever Carl, you're making this up.
04:07Let's get your mate out, is it Emma right?
04:08Yeah.
04:09Let's get Emma on the show ladies and gentlemen.
04:19You need to grow up.
04:25Is that what you've got to say?
04:29No.
04:30Carry on then.
04:31You need to grow up, you need to take responsibility for your daughter.
04:34How can I take responsibility when she runs away?
04:37And why am I running away?
04:39Why did you run away?
04:40Why did you run away Carl?
04:41Why?
04:42Because of you, threatening.
04:43Come on, come on.
04:44Threatening to blow the house up and your daughter's in it.
04:46She f***ing with a 16 year old kid choosing him over me, a lad who's got no job, she runs
04:52away to Blackpool and gets the baby to call him dad.
04:55Can I say something that worries me about that last exchange?
04:58In the middle of it you said, you picked him over me.
05:01Does that mean that you still want to be with her?
05:03Well you didn't let me finish the story before.
05:05I'm just picking something out from there.
05:07Do you want to be with her still?
05:08Yes or no?
05:09Let me explain.
05:10No I don't.
05:11I hate her.
05:12I hate her.
05:13Yeah right, not what you were saying on the weekend.
05:14I was, she told me she was having a baby.
05:17Right?
05:18I don't think you hate her at all.
05:19She told me she was having a baby, so I'd stay with her, so she could get my wages.
05:24You said that, I understand that.
05:25Yeah, but you didn't let me carry on, continue on from that.
05:28While she was telling me this, she was having this relationship with this 16 year old lad.
05:33I was going out to work every day and she was on the phone to him, oh I was telling him
05:37she loves him or whatever.
05:38Why are you grinning, is that true?
05:39Yeah.
05:40Were you seeing the 16 year old behind his back?
05:42Come on.
05:43Well behind your back I wasn't Carl, I finished with you because I had enough of you.
05:46Right, okay.
05:47I was living in the flat, having sex with her and she was having a relationship with
05:50a 16 year old lad.
05:51Is that true?
05:52No.
05:53She was stringing me along because she knew I was going to get paid.
05:54Were you sitting with him and seeing the other bloke?
05:55Nope.
05:56And then as soon as I had my wages that was it.
05:58I've got such a...
05:59You say that this friend who you've known from the year dot changed immeasurably when she
06:03got with this guy?
06:04Yeah.
06:05Just briefly, how?
06:06She, basically she wouldn't like talk to me, she cowered whenever he was with her.
06:12She, she wasn't allowed to come to my house because of it.
06:15She, um...
06:16Did you ever see him threaten her?
06:17Well, in college, yeah.
06:19What, you saw him physically threaten her?
06:21Well he went to grab her arm and went to hit her.
06:25Do you know that, um...
06:27So I, so I stood in the way.
06:28So if I went to hit her why didn't, why didn't she finish with me straight away?
06:32She did.
06:33Why?
06:34And you got to spend here because of college.
06:35I finished with me, wouldn't I give me no money?
06:36While I was pregnant, four and a half months pregnant, in college, yeah?
06:40I said...
06:41It's all about the money.
06:42I said...
06:43As soon as you came on here today, all you open...
06:44No.
06:45No.
06:46No.
06:47No.
06:48I don't want you to pay up, cough up for your daughter.
06:49Pay up, pay up.
06:50I'll buy the baby whatever she wants.
06:52You're not getting a penny from me because you're...
06:54I don't want me off your...
06:55I want money for my daughter.
06:56Nothing.
06:57Never.
06:58I want money for my daughter.
06:59Well when I get access to my daughter, she can have anything she wants.
07:01Right.
07:02Did you ever send a text message to him from your baby saying,
07:07Daddy, I wish you'd kill yourself?
07:08No.
07:09Never.
07:10I've got it on my phone.
07:11The researchers have already seen it.
07:12Do you know my problem about this story?
07:14And by the way, that's verified.
07:16And I'm really sorry.
07:17Verified.
07:18I have to tell you, right?
07:19I genuinely don't believe you, darling.
07:21And I don't know why I don't.
07:22There's something...
07:23I know there's wrong on this side as well, but you paint yourself as this...
07:26It's all him.
07:27And I just...
07:28Maybe I'm wrong.
07:29No, I've done wrong.
07:30I know I've done wrong.
07:31I just don't buy everything you're saying.
07:33Let's go to your brother in the audience.
07:34What's he called?
07:35David.
07:36Let's go to David.
07:37You're at your mic so you don't have to stand up.
07:38You're okay.
07:39I'm confused.
07:40What's your angle on this story?
07:42We used to come out with the money when we've cashed our cheques and she'd be stood there waiting.
07:47No, I wouldn't be stood there.
07:48There's one time that I come with you to cash a cheque and I did ask him for money and he turned around and said no.
07:54About four to five days later, I'd say to Carl, Carl, you coming out for a pint, come for a drink with me.
08:00Like, no, I've got no money.
08:02Since you had your daughter, have you been a full-time mum?
08:05Yes.
08:06And you've been working?
08:07Yeah.
08:08And have you supported this child financially?
08:09Yes, I have.
08:10We lived together as a family unit.
08:13I provided for him.
08:14Everything she wanted.
08:15Emma, did he provide for the child?
08:17I think he bought one pack of nappies.
08:19And two packs of baby wipes.
08:21That baby never went without.
08:23This is why...
08:24How did you provide?
08:27Well, I had my tax credits coming in child benefit, which I bought my daughter's stuff out of, which is £70 a week.
08:33It's all about the money review, isn't it?
08:35So you didn't support your daughter?
08:36I did.
08:37Why?
08:38Can you prove that?
08:39Because we've seen the text message that you sent from your daughter saying, why don't you kill yourself, Daddy?
08:43That wasn't me.
08:44No, no, no, sorry.
08:45Can I just go back there?
08:46Because she didn't answer that.
08:47We've seen the text message that you sent to him saying, this is from your daughter.
08:51She says, kill yourself, Daddy.
08:52We've seen that.
08:53Answer me that.
08:54Go on, that's sick.
08:55No, be quiet.
08:56Be quiet.
08:57That is sick.
08:58Answer it.
08:59That was not off my phone.
09:00Yeah, it might have been off my phone, but it wasn't off me, Carl.
09:04Alright, I'll tell you what.
09:06The DNA test results show that Carl is the child's biological father.
09:15Thank you very much.
09:17You brought me on the show for the test.
09:19Only because you turned around and said that she wasn't yours, I cheated on you, this, that and the other.
09:23I snogged one person, Carl.
09:25One person.
09:26Who did you sleep with when you came out of prison?
09:30The only person I slept with was you.
09:32Unfortunately to me.
09:34I think even Emma might agree with this, irrespective of who she supports, and you might as well.
09:38This bickering, this ridiculous, immature bickering has to stop.
09:42You're going to sit in a room with Graham and the team, and you're going to work out how you can see your child on a regular basis,
09:47because your child needs that with its father.
09:49I want, I want him.
09:50I grew up not knowing my dad and I want her to know my dad.
09:52Be quiet!
09:53Be quiet!
09:54It is not based on whether she's with a 16 year old in Blackpool or on her own, or living with a woman.
09:58That is irrelevant, okay?
09:59It is not based on what he did in the past.
10:01This is here and now.
10:02Line in the sand.
10:03He is the father, she is the mother.
10:06Unless there's a severe reason why you wouldn't trust him, and I buy that.
10:09Can we organise, committed, you know, just an agreement that people stick to?
10:16Now since the show we spoke to Carl and to Sarah.
10:18Sarah says that since the show Carl has moved away, he hardly sees his daughter.
10:22They do speak on the phone, but he constantly lets her down.
10:24In a way, I feel better off without him.
10:27But I feel sorry that my daughter is losing out.
10:29Carl says that after the show me and Sarah hardly spoke and I wasn't getting access to our daughter.
10:34However, recently there's been a big improvement and I see our daughter when I can.
10:38I'm happy as things are more civilised and we are both getting on with our lives.
10:42You wish them the very best of luck and their daughter of course.
10:44And after the break, the woman who claimed that she'd slept with two brothers gets all important DNA results.
10:49I'm right back.
10:50You show absolutely no remorse at all for the fact that rather disgustingly you've had sex with your boyfriend's brother.
10:55I know, I'm real, I feel real, guilty about it, but I can't do it.
11:00If I could turn back the time I was doing, I wouldn't do it.
11:05Do you need my help and you want to be on this show?
11:07Perhaps you have suspicions that your partner has cheated.
11:09Do you need a DNA or lie detector test?
11:11Have you been betrayed by a loved one?
11:12Or maybe you're stuck in the middle of a massive family feud.
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11:37Thank you very much indeed, welcome back.
11:46Now do you remember Lisa?
11:47Lisa came to the show for a DNA test after admitting to cheating on partner James twice with his brother Craig.
11:54But what did the DNA results reveal? Take a look.
11:57So we have two issues today.
11:59We have a DNA test on your two month old child.
12:03You say that will definitively prove that James, your current partner, is the father.
12:07Yeah.
12:08But rather strangely, you're also on national television wanting to prove that you slept with his brother twice whilst you were with him.
12:15Yeah, he keeps denying it to him but the thing is he's admitted it to my friends and family in the past.
12:21And he keeps telling everyone he's never.
12:23And I got a phone call after my Bain was born actually asking me if he was the Bain's dad.
12:28But can we just rewind a little bit?
12:30It's not funny though is it?
12:32What on earth were you doing sleeping, if you're telling the truth, with your partner's brother?
12:36I don't know. I don't know what I was thinking at the time.
12:39It wasn't just once was it? Let's talk about both occasions.
12:42The first time was actually New Year's Eve at a party at his house.
12:47Now where was James, your partner?
12:49He was there with us but then we'd been arguing and he'd gone upstairs and he wasn't very well either.
12:54You'd had a row. He'd gone off in a huff and wasn't feeling well and fell asleep upstairs.
13:01Yeah.
13:02And you?
13:03I was downstairs in his mum's living room.
13:05Well you ended up having sex with the brother?
13:06Yeah. On his mum's couch where them two were slept together as well.
13:12The second time was five months later when you were five and a half months pregnant.
13:18Yeah.
13:19With James's baby you say?
13:22Yeah he is James's baby. I know 100% he is James's.
13:26The sex the second time, where was James?
13:29I don't know. He weren't around. I think he was at home.
13:32You show absolutely no remorse at all for the fact that rather disgustingly you had sex with your boyfriend's brother.
13:38Yeah, I feel real guilty about it but I can't do it. If I could turn back the time I would do it, I wouldn't do it.
13:45You say it's him who's the cheat. He's cheating on his current partner Kelly. He's cheating on every bird. You made two mistakes although you were single.
13:51Shall we get him out? Let's get Craig on the show ladies and gentlemen.
13:54I've never slept with me when you're just dirty, actual dirty.
14:01So why are you lying then? Tell them when you have.
14:04I've never slept with you, look with you. No you don't even know how to look after your beard.
14:08No I don't the lie. No you don't. No really. Whatever.
14:12Why are you lying all the time?
14:13Why am I lying all the time?
14:14Why am I lying?
14:15You just want to split me and Jimbo.
14:16Then go for my detector test then.
14:18I will.
14:19Go for it then.
14:20I will prove I'm telling the show.
14:21Craig, welcome to the show.
14:22You said I've never lied Lisa.
14:23She's a troublemaker.
14:24She is.
14:25Did you have sexual intercourse with her on either of the occasions?
14:29Never.
14:30I love Kelly to bits.
14:31I would never sleep with her.
14:32You've loved Kelly but yet you've cheated on Kelly.
14:33I've never cheated on Kelly.
14:34Never cheated on Kelly.
14:35Never in my life.
14:36So you didn't cheat on Kelly the other day, the other week then when we was at soccer
14:39I didn't have one of my mates getting off with her and cuddling her then at a bus stop.
14:43I always went for a bus.
14:44No.
14:45You're a liar Craig.
14:46You're a liar.
14:47There's no point is there?
14:48No why should I lie though?
14:49It should be your lie.
14:50It should be me lying.
14:51What is she going to achieve from coming on national television and saying I did sleep
14:54with your brother James?
14:56Well she's going to achieve what she wants isn't she?
14:59What?
15:00She's trying to split me and my brother up.
15:01I've never tried splitting you and your brother up.
15:03Lisa's caused so much friction between me and my brother.
15:06What do you think she is going to achieve if in your mind she's lying by telling these
15:11lies?
15:12What's she going to achieve?
15:13I'm asking him.
15:14What's she going to achieve?
15:15Me and Jim won't walk talk.
15:16We'll end up fighting.
15:17It'll cause a lot of friction between the family.
15:20What do you want me to say?
15:21It's going to cause a lot of friction between my family.
15:25That's what Lisa does.
15:26What's it done to you and Kelly, your partner?
15:29It's caused more arguments between me and Kelly that I don't want.
15:33Right, let's go to Kelly.
15:34She's in the audience.
15:35She's mic'd.
15:36You don't have to jump up Kelly.
15:37You've been talked about quite a bit so far.
15:39What's the truth here?
15:40How long have you been with Craig?
15:41About 10 months.
15:42Do you trust him?
15:43Yeah.
15:44She says that a couple of weeks ago outside some shop he was all over one of her friends.
15:48What it is is it was .
15:50And what the point is is Lisa don't get it that he's getting on with his .
15:54That's what she don't want.
15:55It's not that girl Kelly.
15:56What you've got to realise is I was there while he was getting off with his .
15:58And cuddling his .
15:59Me and James .
16:00Yeah, but Lisa, you're the biggest liar going.
16:02So I'm not supposed to believe you.
16:03Kelly, you can't trust him, mate.
16:04You just sat there and said you were sober and you was even.
16:07Yeah, I was.
16:08You wasn't.
16:09No, you wasn't.
16:10He was in the total freedom.
16:11And I was sober afterwards.
16:12Wait.
16:13Hold on a second you two.
16:15Hold on.
16:16You also said that she is a troublemaker.
16:19Yeah.
16:20Yeah.
16:21What is she?
16:22This is the bit that I don't understand.
16:23Is she jealous of you and Craig?
16:24What has she achieved by coming on national television and saying I've slept with your brother?
16:28It's because she's jealous of what me and Craig have got.
16:30What Erin James hasn't got.
16:31Why should I be jealous of her?
16:32Be quiet.
16:33It's because mine and Craig's relationship is better than hers and she don't like it.
16:37It's not better than mine though, is it?
16:39Yeah, it is.
16:40How is it?
16:41Do you think she wants Craig for herself?
16:42She's not having him.
16:43I don't want him.
16:44I don't want him.
16:45Do you think that's what she wants?
16:46Most probably.
16:47I don't want Craig.
16:49She starts putting loads of people up and it's achieved and it's not going to work
16:52this one.
16:53You've got something wrong with you.
16:54No, I haven't.
16:55Telling you.
16:56So you won't admit it then when I have to slap you on the phone.
16:58Lisa, I've never slept with you.
16:59On the phone.
17:00On the phone.
17:01You admitted it both times, right?
17:03Because somebody's seen it, right?
17:04Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
17:06Who do you think the father of the baby is?
17:08Well, to be honest with you, Lisa, and I know this is going to sound sad and pathetic,
17:12but I don't know.
17:13I know James is the dad.
17:14And I know for a fact it's not Briggs.
17:16Exactly, sir.
17:17You told my researcher she's got such a reputation.
17:21What was it you said?
17:22She's always sleeping about.
17:24You said there's a chance it might not be either of them.
17:27Yeah, it couldn't be.
17:28Well, I'll prove you wrong then, won't I, when it comes by?
17:30You can do.
17:31Don't worry, I will.
17:32Do you think, do you think your Craig slept with his brother's girlfriend?
17:37Do you really think he's going to go near it?
17:39I'm surprised he goes near you, to be honest with you, Kelly.
17:42Cool.
17:43I'm asking what you think.
17:44I'm not asking.
17:45I don't think, I don't think he would have.
17:47So you trust Craig?
17:48Yeah.
17:49Fair enough, that's okay.
17:50The other person in this story is James.
17:53Now I must admit, from my point of view, his cool sort of acceptance of you sleeping with
18:01his brother twice is a bit of a shock.
18:04Is he just a very strong man or is he actually...
18:07She's broke Jimbo's out more times than I can remember.
18:10And I've always been there to help him and pick the pieces up.
18:13She's always been there to help him.
18:14She just walks all over him.
18:15Many accusations from him and from other people.
18:18Certainly from Kelly, that you walk all over James, you control him, you wear the trousers
18:21and basically he's a bit of a pussycat.
18:22She does walk all over him, Jeremy.
18:24No, don't.
18:25She literally takes Mick out of him.
18:27Come on, let's get him out.
18:28This is James on the show, ladies and gentlemen.
18:37Now just between you and me, absolutely nobody else, who do you believe?
18:42Lisa.
18:43Because he's got a track record of doing it in the past with two of my exes.
18:47What?
18:48He's done this sort of thing before two of my exes.
18:50You've slept with his exes?
18:52No, we were kids.
18:53A couple of years back, I think it was two years ago, I got with another one of my exes
18:57and I'd text with her.
18:58Did she tell you about New Year's Eve straight away?
19:02No.
19:03And then it happened again.
19:04This for me is the most disgusting thing.
19:06I don't care, you can sit there until the cows come home, as far as I'm concerned and
19:09deny it.
19:10To have sex at five and a half months pregnant, she says, with her boyfriend's brother.
19:14Yeah.
19:15Never going to happen.
19:16She can't confess to me about that one.
19:17Just after it had happened.
19:18I was actually round...
19:19Why did you accept it?
19:21Because I'm too kind-hearted.
19:24I'm getting fed up of everyone walking all over me, which is why I'm here today.
19:27I was actually round town when he rang me and said, is it true?
19:30I went, is what true?
19:31He said, you've slept with Lisa.
19:33I just broke down laughing.
19:34I went, did you seriously think I'd sleep with Lisa?
19:36Who's Fiona?
19:37My set mum.
19:38Let's get Fiona on the show, ladies and gentlemen.
19:40Right, you!
19:41You need to grow up and act your age.
19:42You need to grow up?
19:43Me?
19:44Hang on, who was it that came to the bus stop the other day and punched me in the mouth?
19:48Where was she?
19:49Where was she?
19:50Second row up about right.
19:51Where was she?
19:52And you?
19:53I rely on a little c***.
19:54Why am I...
19:55Why, yeah?
19:56You stood there, right?
19:57In that house where there was no electricity, yeah, right?
19:58With that c*** there and told me that she was a bad mother.
19:59Do you know what?
20:00Before that burn was burned, yeah, right?
20:01I thought she was going to be a bad mother.
20:02Do you know what?
20:03Since she's had that burn, she's done that would be the best one ever.
20:05I look after nine kids, yeah, right?
20:06She's the eldest one out of nine kids.
20:07Don't you upset yourself.
20:08I know.
20:09I don't know.
20:10I have no idea, right?
20:11What?
20:12I thought she was going to be a bad mother.
20:13Do you know what?
20:14See, she's had that burn.
20:15She's done that would be the best one ever.
20:17I look after nine kids, yeah, right?
20:20She's the eldest one out of nine kids, don't you upset yourself?
20:22How that?
20:23Out of nine kids, yeah, right?
20:24How can you sit there and say, right, that she's a little c*** she sleeps around, yeah,
20:29right?
20:30When you don't even know her?
20:31Hello.
20:32You look after nine kids?
20:34Fiona.
20:35Fiona.
20:36Be quiet, Fiona, who's telling the truth? Welcome to the show.
20:40Hi, Lisa's telling the truth.
20:42We'll start with Craig.
20:47The DNA test results show that Craig...
20:50...is not the biological father of Lisa's baby.
20:56And you're myself, so how the f*** could I sleep with you?
20:58How did you know you said...
20:59So, why did you ring me a few days after he was burning his face?
21:02Do you see how my nephew is?
21:04So, see how you know it?
21:05I've got a right to see how my nephew is, but not Lisa, I don't want nothing to do with you.
21:09Well, I don't want nothing to do with you.
21:12You'll shut your mouth for a minute, yeah, right?
21:14You'll say, I don't want nothing to do with you.
21:16You'll say, right?
21:16I don't want nothing to do with you.
21:17Your nephew is doing, when you asked me if you were his dad...
21:19...accusing me of calling you a f*** when I was at a football.
21:24How can I answer a f***?
21:25Well, that was a great result for everyone.
21:27That was just tremendous.
21:28Be quiet, all of you.
21:30Be quiet.
21:32He's not the dad.
21:33Yes, I'm a f***.
21:37We'll just hold that thought a minute.
21:40James, the DNA test results show that James...
21:44...well, well, well...
21:48...is the child's biological father.
21:53So, why don't you...
21:54Wait, wait, wait.
21:58Can I, er...
22:00Can I, er...
22:00Can I be really honest, me old son?
22:02You ain't out the woods yet, are you?
22:05How's that, then?
22:06How's that, then?
22:07Because I've done the DNA.
22:09He's the dad.
22:10Do I think, when your girlfriend tells you that she's slept with your brother, you should stay with her?
22:15No, I think he needs to grow a backbone.
22:17But they now have a kid.
22:18We'll put you just there for one sec.
22:21You have been accused of sleeping with your brother's girlfriend.
22:24We have no definitive proof.
22:26Kelly said that.
22:26We have her word against your word.
22:29Now, she has proven to be telling the truth about the DNA today.
22:33So, who's to say that she's not telling the truth about the fact that she's slept with you on two occasions?
22:36I have this problem, you see, and my problem is this.
22:38Why would anybody come on a show and say, I've slept with your brother?
22:42Why would she not just come on and say, I'll prove it's your baby, James?
22:47That's it.
22:48So, you're going to come back and do a lie detector?
22:50Well, I'll see how I feel.
22:51I have got a football career as well.
22:54What, you got to add?
22:54I have got a football career.
22:55What, you got to add?
22:56I haven't got no to add.
22:57You've got no vote in not coming back, have you?
23:00I will come back.
23:01I've got a football career.
23:02I'll tell you what, make sure it's on a day you haven't got training or a match,
23:05because I've got this little feeling that you won't come back to do a lie detector test.
23:10Hold on, shush.
23:11You will come back.
23:12You don't know the f*** about me, so shut up.
23:13Stop swearing.
23:14Will you come back and forget her?
23:17That's all right.
23:18Will you prove that she's that by coming back and doing a lie detector
23:21and proving to your girlfriend and everybody else that you did...
23:24I don't need to call nothing to Kelly.
23:26Kelly, trust me 110%.
23:28Kelly wants...
23:30Can you be quiet, please?
23:31You wanted Lisa to take a test, didn't you?
23:33Yeah, and I'm doing it.
23:35So why don't you have a backbone as well and just ask your boyfriend to take a couple of hours
23:38and do one as well?
23:40Well, he can.
23:41It's all the way down here, yeah?
23:42I'll tell you what we'll do.
23:43I'll make it as fair as possible.
23:44I'll make it as...
23:46Just to settle it all, do a one.
23:49Because if not, we're not going to wear the end of it.
23:51No, we're not.
23:52We'll ask you exactly the same questions.
23:54And you do understand, don't you, that if you say yes and then say no, people will make an assumption.
23:57Are you going to do the lie detector yet?
23:58Yeah.
23:59Okay, you're going to do the lie detector?
24:00Definitely.
24:00Okay, what we're going to do is we're going to send you off, we're going to do that, we're
24:04going to bring you back on a later show.
24:05You did definitively today prove that he's the father of your baby.
24:08And I'm going to prove he's a liar as well.
24:12We'll see you on a later show.
24:13Now, since that show, we've spoken to Lisa and to Craig.
24:16Lisa says that since the show, things have really, really improved.
24:18Myself and James are still together.
24:20We are a strong family.
24:21He's a brilliant dad, and we are getting on much better with Craig and Kelly.
24:24I'm happy that everything is out in the open, and we can move on with our lives.
24:28Craig says it was a relief when I found out that I wasn't the dad to Lisa's baby.
24:31Myself and James are getting on much better, and we're doing brotherly things together again.
24:35I'm a great uncle to Lisa and James' baby, and I'm glad I can be there for them now.
24:39Myself and Kelly had a few problems after the show, but I think and hope it's made us stronger.
24:44Good luck to all of them.
24:45Now, next, a daughter who was in turmoil over a 62-year-old mother who was sleeping around
24:51and, check this, stripping in public.
24:53I'm right back.
24:55Mum, she said I'd end up in a ditch, but I haven't yet.
24:58Oh, you were.
24:59I won't end up in a ditch, because I know what I'm doing.
25:08Thank you very much indeed.
25:09Welcome back.
25:09Now, you may well remember Michelle, who came to the show with her 62-year-old mother,
25:13and she was desperate to persuade her to stop sleeping around.
25:16Let's take a look at this.
25:18Tell us what's going on.
25:20Well, basically, my mum sleeps around.
25:23She's got eight boyfriends on the go in different towns.
25:27And it worries me, because I think she may catch some sort of disease, or she's going to get herself hurt one day.
25:37Now, you see, she treats this all as a joke, but as her daughter, you know, you're 39, nearly 40.
25:44Are you embarrassed by her behaviour?
25:47I am, because she's a pensioner.
25:49People come up to you in the street and tell you stuff, don't they?
25:52What do they say?
25:54Erm, people tell me that my mum's been paying young men £5 for...
26:02She's been charging men to provide sexual favours?
26:07Mm-hm.
26:08Where?
26:10At her house, her old address.
26:13Tell me about the snooker club.
26:16Erm, she had sex over the pool table.
26:18She's 62.
26:23Mm-hm.
26:25When you approach her, and it is serious to you, but when you approach her, what does she say?
26:30She thinks it's funny, and she said that, well, you'll only live once.
26:34And she's addicted to sex?
26:36Yeah, I believe so.
26:37See, if you get into a discussion about that, right, why shouldn't a 62-year-old woman be as up for sex as a 20-year-old bloke, or a 40-year-old woman?
26:47Are we being ageist here?
26:48Or is it just the way that she's demonstrating her sexual addiction in public?
26:55It's because, erm, the way she acts, she acts like, she's acting like a prostitute.
27:00She's 62, she's a pensioner.
27:02And she's a grandma.
27:04Didn't she have a sexually transmitted disease?
27:07Erm, yes, from a friend's mother, told me, personally in a shop.
27:13Have you told her that you're embarrassed, ashamed?
27:15Yes.
27:17She doesn't care.
27:18It's difficult, isn't it?
27:22Mm-hm.
27:22Because people think it's funny, but for you it isn't.
27:25But it's not funny.
27:26It's my mother.
27:27She's tried it on with four men this morning in the company, since she got here.
27:31And she tried it on with the taxi driver last night.
27:33What's today about?
27:37About my mum living to reality that she has to calm down.
27:39Why can't she just have the one man?
27:41Let's get her out.
27:42This is Sylvia on the show, ladies and gentlemen.
28:09Sit down.
28:12Now, I will take this very seriously, right?
28:17Let me tell you something, and nobody make a noise.
28:19That's ridiculous and embarrassing and shameful.
28:23Is that what happens the whole time?
28:25Ah, yes, but...
28:26Do you...
28:26Hold on a minute, you.
28:27Do you care anything about your daughter?
28:29Look at what you've just done.
28:30Yes, yes.
28:30Look at what you've just done on national television.
28:34I know, but I don't, but when you live on your own...
28:38Darling...
28:38When you live on your own.
28:40Have you ever lived on your own?
28:41Absolutely.
28:42Let me tell you something.
28:43And you can't do them.
28:44What are you talking about?
28:45It's not about me, it's about you.
28:46It's about you embarrassing yourself.
28:48Look at what you've just done to your daughter in your show of...
28:51Yeah, but it makes me feel good.
28:54Doing that makes you feel good?
28:55Yeah.
28:56Why?
28:57I don't know, because it does.
28:59So you're an exhibitionist.
29:00Are you after a...
29:01Are you trying to create a reaction or what?
29:03Yes.
29:03I get people coming and asking me to do it when I'm in the pub.
29:11Asking to do what?
29:12Take my top off and everything.
29:14And you just do that?
29:15I just do it, yeah.
29:16Do you not think that that's disrespectful?
29:21I know it's wrong to do it.
29:22Look at what you've just done to your daughter.
29:24Look at her.
29:25I enjoy doing it.
29:28Cutting aside the laughter.
29:31Who laughed at that?
29:32Who was embarrassed by that?
29:35Well, they would be, wouldn't they?
29:36They would be.
29:37As if they're just what?
29:39Because they're on the shoulder, they would be embarrassed.
29:42There's a lot of them not embarrassed.
29:43Do you understand, right?
29:46What concerns me and your daughter
29:48is that there are people out there
29:51who are taking advantage of your frivolous nature,
29:55be it for sexual favours,
29:57be it for taking your clothes off.
29:59They, darling, are not having a laugh.
30:03They're actually tragically taking the mickey out of you
30:06and you think it's funny.
30:07A lot of them don't, though.
30:08I know a lot of them don't.
30:11Darling, let's get past the flashing.
30:13You're having sex with people for money.
30:15No, that's wrong.
30:17I don't have sex with people for money.
30:19That's wrong.
30:21I have sex because I enjoy having sex.
30:24Where do you have sex?
30:25I managed to walk down.
30:26I didn't have that much sex.
30:29But now I'm getting a...
30:30I'm worried about you.
30:31Don't you understand?
30:32Where do you have sex with these strangers?
30:34At my home.
30:35They're not proper strangers.
30:37I know them.
30:39So what?
30:40They're not completely strangers.
30:42They ring me up and tell me,
30:43are you on your own?
30:45And I say yes.
30:46Can I be honest to you as a 62-year-old woman?
30:48They ring you up and say on your own
30:49because they know you're easy, love.
30:51Now listen to your daughter
30:52because you're bringing shame on yourself first and foremost.
30:56I don't believe that you can't see what you're doing.
30:58You're making a fool of yourself.
31:01You should raise the bar a bit.
31:03If men, I'm sorry,
31:04I would say this to anyone.
31:05I know it's wrong, but...
31:06If they see you as easy and convenient,
31:09you will become a laughingstock.
31:11And I myself,
31:12and I guess your daughter thinks this as well,
31:15would be scared for your safety.
31:17Talk to your mother.
31:17Well, no, she won't
31:18because once she said I'd end up in a ditch,
31:21but I haven't yet.
31:22Well, you won't.
31:23I won't end up in a ditch
31:24because I know what I'm doing.
31:26Answer me this question.
31:28When you flash,
31:30when you have sex with these men
31:33that you might or might not know,
31:35do you think that you
31:36are selling yourself short as a woman?
31:39No, I don't.
31:41Because I don't sell myself.
31:44Some of them have got no money anyway.
31:47Some of them come down a lot on that one.
31:49But people that sleep with lots of men
31:52know there's prostitutes.
31:54Yeah, but I can't be a prostitute.
31:55I've never known a prostitute be a grandma.
31:58How can I be a prostitute
31:59when I know half of them what comes?
32:02So I can't be a prostitute, can I?
32:05No.
32:06I'm married.
32:07I don't sleep around.
32:08I know you are.
32:08I have one man.
32:10I know you are.
32:11Why can't you have one man?
32:13Well...
32:13And just settle down?
32:15I just like different men, that's why.
32:17They make me feel good.
32:18They make me feel on top of the world, you see.
32:21You need to change the way you live your life
32:23and start to respect yourself
32:25because, and I absolutely agree with your daughter here,
32:27only when you respect yourself
32:28will other people respect you in return.
32:30And I really believe that.
32:32Sorry, I really believe that.
32:34I love you, my friend.
32:36I love you, my friend.
32:38What did you say?
32:40I've always treated me granted,
32:41but I don't think I'll ever change.
32:43But you can't value your family.
32:44You really cannot value your family
32:46when you act like that.
32:46You're going to lose your family, love.
32:47I couldn't bear watching your daughter's face
32:51when you came out and did that.
32:52I know, but it's just...
32:54No, but you...
32:54My youngest is all right about it.
32:56Well, look, we've got a statement from Stephanie.
32:58She's quite all right about it.
32:59She's 25.
32:59She goes out with you, doesn't she?
33:00Yes.
33:01We're going out on Saturday.
33:03She says, I don't see any problem with my mum...
33:05Well, she doesn't do it, though,
33:06because she's happily married and got two children.
33:07I don't see any problem with my mum going out.
33:09If she's happy, then I'm happy.
33:10I would prefer her going out and enjoying herself
33:12rather than sitting in on her own every night.
33:13I know she's quite crazy when she goes out.
33:15She likes to strip, and she sleeps with a lot of men.
33:18And I like to sing.
33:19The only thing I...
33:20The only thing I do worry about
33:22is the fact that she's having unprotected sex.
33:25As long as she's safe and happy,
33:26I don't see what the problem is.
33:27Are you having unprotected sex?
33:28Not always, no.
33:30You're 62, for God's sake, woman.
33:34I know, but I enjoy it.
33:37I didn't get the sex when I was...
33:39At least have protected sex.
33:41I do.
33:42No, I mean all the time.
33:44There are girls and women putting themselves
33:46in horrible positions every day
33:49for that next bit of money to get that next fix,
33:51to put the next amount of drugs in their system,
33:53and they go, no, I haven't finished now.
33:55Listen to me.
33:56It's time to make a me.
33:56Listen to me.
33:58They are taking the mickey out of you
34:00as a woman, as a grandmother, as everything.
34:03And one day she's right.
34:04Somebody is going to go too far,
34:06and you know what?
34:07You're a sweet old lady.
34:08I'm not saying be boring.
34:09I can't stop you having sex.
34:11But I sure as hell can tell you,
34:13your daughter is right when she says
34:14you are making a fool out of yourself.
34:17But it doesn't give me pleasure to tell you that.
34:19It's sad.
34:21It's true.
34:22It's sad.
34:22How do you know you haven't got AIDS now,
34:25with all the men you've slept with?
34:27Well, I don't know.
34:28No, you don't know.
34:29But I'm going to have a test on Wednesday.
34:32Darling, just raise the bar.
34:35You've got a family who are concerned,
34:37some of them embarrassed,
34:39but most of them worried for you.
34:41And you could change and still have fun,
34:44but be safe, be clean, and be a grandma.
34:48Now, naturally, since the show,
34:50we've spoken to Michelle and Sylvia.
34:51Michelle tells us she was disgusted
34:53by her mum's behaviour after the show,
34:54and at first she says we didn't speak.
34:56When mum came to the show,
34:57she thought it was a bit of fun,
34:58but after she watched herself back
35:00and saw the response from friends and family,
35:01she was totally shocked.
35:03The show has Jezza impacted on our lives in a huge way,
35:06as her mum has now changed her ways.
35:08We still talk regularly.
35:09She will always be my mum, and I love her,
35:11but our relationship has changed.
35:12Hopefully, things will get back on track with time.
35:16Now, Sylvia tells us,
35:17since the show, I have calmed down a great deal.
35:20I never expected the response that I got
35:22for my actions on the show,
35:23and I didn't realise how much it hurt my family.
35:25More than anything, she says,
35:27I want to apologise to everybody for my behaviour,
35:29and I would love to be accepted back into the family unit.
35:32I'm going to be a great-grandma soon,
35:33and although I still like to go out and enjoy myself,
35:35I now have only one permanent boyfriend.
35:38I want to prove to my family
35:39that I can be a mother and a grandmother
35:42that they are all proud of.
35:44Best of luck to them.
35:45Right, now, next is Cheryl,
35:46who contacted the show
35:47after reaching the end of her tether
35:48with partner Fakir.
35:50Things turned violent
35:51when Cheryl became pregnant with a second child,
35:53and she was on the verge of walking away
35:55from her relationship with Fakir,
35:56as she was terrified
35:57that the situation could only get worse.
36:00Take a look at this.
36:01I have to say,
36:03and I know you're 31 weeks pregnant,
36:05you're 10 months old as well,
36:06so it's hard enough,
36:08but Fakir is here,
36:09and he wants to get help as well,
36:10so I want you to try as best as you can
36:12to be honest about what's happening,
36:14from the beginning, really.
36:16Well, we've been together for two years,
36:19but since he's moved in with me,
36:21which is in about 7 to 10 months,
36:24he's just totally changed.
36:25I mean, I can't trust him.
36:26I found an empty condom wrapper in his pocket,
36:32and at first he told me
36:33that it'd been there for years,
36:35and then he told me
36:36that his friend had used it
36:38and put it back in his pocket,
36:40which I find that hard to believe.
36:44He hides his phone,
36:46and he puts passwords on the computer,
36:47as well as that,
36:52every time I mention
36:54where his money keeps going,
36:56because he tells me
36:57that he gets £1,500 a month,
36:59and he don't give any of it to me.
37:02I mean, I'm paying bills and everything.
37:03Yeah.
37:05Well, I was working,
37:06I'm on sick at the moment,
37:07so I'm really struggling,
37:09and when I asked him for it,
37:10he said he'd rather me go on benefits
37:14than give me anything.
37:15So he doesn't support the children,
37:18the child at the moment.
37:20Your 10-month-old child
37:21he hasn't paid a penny towards.
37:23He's paid about £200 in two years.
37:27And where does his money go, then?
37:29I honestly couldn't tell you.
37:31Tell me about the violence if you can.
37:34Basically, we always argue over money,
37:37because I have to ask him
37:38and beg him for whatever he'll give me,
37:42and he just won't give me any of it.
37:43But, yeah, he won't tell me where it's going
37:46or what he's doing with it.
37:47Is it not true that a month ago
37:48he threatened you with a knife?
37:54You OK?
37:55I know you want to do this.
37:56If you just don't feel comfortable,
37:57it's hugely important you tell me, OK?
38:01You scared of him?
38:04Truthfully, look at me.
38:05This is your second pregnancy.
38:11Has he ever attacked you whilst you're pregnant?
38:12We've talked about the knife.
38:13Has he ever attacked you in the stomach?
38:15Yeah.
38:18What happened?
38:20We were arguing over money again,
38:22and he kicked me in the stomach.
38:23How pregnant were you?
38:28Oh, about two or three months.
38:30Listen to me.
38:31Listen to me.
38:31It's really important.
38:33Do you...
38:35A lot of people watching this will say
38:37you're 31 weeks pregnant, which you are,
38:39and your health and your safety
38:40is absolutely paramount today.
38:43He's going to know the truth.
38:45Are you all right with that,
38:47or do you want to go and relax somewhere else?
38:50I'm all right.
38:52OK, now, after the break,
38:53we're here from Fakir,
38:54and find out whether these relationship problems
38:56were resolved.
38:57Don't go anywhere,
38:57because I'm right back.
38:59Have you ever kicked her in the stomach?
39:02Yes, I have.
39:03Not when she's pregnant, though.
39:04Oh, that makes it all right, doesn't it, Fakir?
39:06No, it does not make it all right, no.
39:07Get the stupid, inane grin off your face.
39:09Just repeat to me what you just said.
39:11I said that she should get off
39:12the bloodstream thing as well.
39:15I don't know if she's pregnant,
39:16fairly enough, but pregnant,
39:18and, you know, she still works, basically.
39:20You unbelievable piece of...
39:23I mean, betrayed by a loved one,
39:30or maybe you're stuck in the middle
39:31of a massive family feud.
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40:03Welcome back.
40:04Before the break,
40:05we were looking back at when Cheryl came onto the show
40:07eight months pregnant
40:07and desperate
40:08because her relationship had become violent.
40:11Let's see what happened
40:12when she was joined on stage
40:13by partner Fakir.
40:15Come on then, Fakir.
40:16Come on the stage.
40:17Dare you do me the disservice of smiling
40:33and I'll throw you myself off this stage?
40:36Try it.
40:36The little man who holds the knife
40:38to a pregnant woman's throat.
40:41You evil...
40:41What's it about?
40:41Shut up and look at me.
40:44You evil bully.
40:46Why did you do that to a pregnant woman?
40:48What's your knife?
40:49I can't remember if you're a knife or not.
40:50Don't even look at her.
40:52Look at me and don't think you're smart.
40:54Why would you hold a knife to her throat?
40:57I did not hold a knife to her throat.
40:58What did you do then?
41:00I wasn't going to do nothing anyway.
41:01I beg your pardon?
41:02I had a knife, basically.
41:03I was going to cook it.
41:07Have you threatened her with a knife?
41:09No, I haven't.
41:10So she made that up, did she?
41:11What?
41:12She's exasperated, yeah.
41:13She makes a lot of things up.
41:17Have you ever kicked her in the stomach?
41:19Yes, I have.
41:21Not when she's pregnant, though.
41:22Oh, that makes it all right, doesn't it?
41:23No, it doesn't make it all right, no.
41:24Get the stupid inane grin off your face!
41:30You're not sure whether you've kicked a pregnant woman in the stomach?
41:33I sort of kicked her, yeah.
41:35You've bruised her arms and her legs.
41:37Why would you do that?
41:38Because she's annoyed me in the past, so she's hit me in the past as well.
41:45She knows she's hit me in the past.
41:47What do you do with your money, Fakir?
41:49I pay my debts off.
41:50Why don't you pay for your child?
41:52I do pay for her.
41:53Every argument you have is about money, isn't it?
41:56More or less, yeah.
41:57Why don't you give her more?
41:58How do you expect her to survive?
42:00Why won't you just understand that?
42:01Because I think she should get a f***ing hallucinous experience.
42:12Should you do me a favour?
42:14Yes.
42:14Could you do me a favour?
42:15Is Graeme around?
42:17Just take this lady just backstage a minute so she can relax.
42:20Let me just give her a round of applause.
42:21Just repeat to me what you just said.
42:34Go on.
42:34Just repeat to me what you just said.
42:36I said that she should get off a f***ing hallucinous thing as well.
42:40I don't know if she's pregnant, fair enough, but...
42:42...pregnant and she still works, basically.
42:45You unbelievable piece of...
42:47If you had one brain cell in your head, you would know that this is possibly the worst moment of her life.
43:04You expect to abuse, beat and hit a pregnant woman and sit on this stage with a smile on your face.
43:12Do you know what the world thinks of you?
43:14I'm great.
43:16You're school.
43:17Just listen to the audience.
43:19Just, just...
43:20You can't treat a woman like that.
43:23You can't disrespect a pregnant woman, the woman of your child.
43:28What do you mean you're not disrespecting her?
43:30How am I disrespecting her?
43:30Go look in the mirror before you insult her again.
43:34How many times have you hit her?
43:36About seven or eight times.
43:39Why?
43:41Come on, explain to me, Fakir.
43:43What is it?
43:43The red mist, you're drunk.
43:44What is it, Fakir?
43:45I'm not drunk because I don't drink, I don't gamble, I don't take drugs.
43:48Oh, well, you're an upstanding citizen who just happens to beat women up, which makes you, in my mind, a bully and a coward.
43:54The moment I met her, this all started basically, but before that, she knows, she and I both know that I was nothing like this until I met her.
44:01It's her fault, yeah?
44:02It's her fault, yeah?
44:02It's her fault that, the thing is, she actually annoyed me by doing what she did first, and I'll never forgive for what she did.
44:11What did she do?
44:11She went knocking on my parents' door and told her that she was pregnant with my baby, when I told her not to.
44:20What an absolute disgrace that was.
44:22Did that disgrace you, did it?
44:23No, it's not a disgrace, it basically is, because I told her I'd say it to myself because I wanted to do it myself, but...
44:28So she disgraced you in front of your family, okay, let me just get this attitude right.
44:33She disgraced you in front of your family, get rid of the grin, seriously.
44:37I've never been this mad.
44:39She disgraced you in front of your family by knocking on the door.
44:41If I use every last vestige of power in me, I will make sure that she is safe and healthy and a million miles away from you, because you are the pick.
44:50Do you understand me?
44:52Absolutely the worst.
44:54I'm being truthful, I'm being honest with you, and I...
44:57And I'm being honest with you, mate, I'm going to do everything in my power to make sure that she kicks your bony little backside into touchdown.
45:03Get off my damn stage as quickly as possible.
45:05I don't want to talk to you ever again.
45:07Go away.
45:08Vile.
45:10Graham.
45:12I am so sorry, I've never been that mad.
45:15Graham.
45:16No.
45:20This isn't right.
45:21No.
45:22It's 31 weeks pregnant, which is why I said to leave the stage.
45:24Look at me.
45:25Darling, he didn't seem to care at all.
45:30It's like...
45:31I know what you think.
45:35Think, well, I love him and he can change and you've just seen him for 10 minutes.
45:39I need you to hold on to a few things before you talk to Graham, right?
45:42Apart from this, which is precious.
45:45No woman should be treated like that.
45:48Graham will back me.
45:49That's disgusting.
45:50We can talk forever about aftercare.
45:54There are some people who are basically wrong.
45:56To tell you to get off your backside and work when you're 31 weeks pregnant.
45:59When you've got a 10-month-old.
46:01To not give you any money.
46:02To beat you up.
46:03And if this show can do anything, it will be to show you that that's not acceptable.
46:07Do you agree?
46:09Absolutely.
46:10What are we going to do?
46:12I'll help you.
46:13We're going to interview both of you individually and see what we can do to help you.
46:18But he may not want to change.
46:20That's the important thing.
46:21You have to understand that.
46:22Some people don't make that commitment to change.
46:26And for him to change, he has to make that commitment.
46:28There are places to go.
46:29There are organizations.
46:30And I know that you don't want to think about this right now.
46:32But I'm going to implore you.
46:34Tell him that, in my humble opinion, and maybe I'm wrong.
46:38That's disgusting.
46:39That's one of the most disgusting things I've seen in my four years on this show.
46:44Right?
46:46You will do ultimately what you want to do.
46:48But if I have any power, it's to show you that that's not enough.
46:51That's not enough for you, is it?
46:52A lot of people on this show get stuck, don't they?
46:59Hmm.
47:02Do you feel stuck?
47:04Okay.
47:06It's hugely important that we do what is right for you, your child, your unborn child, in a safe way, okay?
47:13We're not going to push or pressurize you.
47:16We're going to support you in every which way from here on in, okay?
47:19And whether you decide to go back to him or you decide to branch out, this show will support you, okay?
47:25But I want you to understand one thing.
47:28There's a lot more to your life than that, trust me.
47:30I think you're fantastic.
47:31I'll leave you with him.
47:33Now, since then, I'm pleased to say we've kept in regular contact with both Cheryl and Fakir, and things have improved.
47:38Cheryl tells us,
47:39I've given birth to our baby since the last show, and our relationship has improved no end.
47:43Since Fakir started the anger management provided by the show, there's been no violence at all,
47:47and we've both been a lot happier.
47:49We still have issues, we're working through, but I feel I can now talk to him without worrying that he will lose his temper.
47:55On the last show, our relationship was on the verge of breaking down, but now we are a strong family unit once again, which is great to hear.
48:01And Fakir tells us,
48:02things have changed completely since that last show, I'm more settled now, and arguments don't get out of control like they used to.
48:08I haven't been violent to Cheryl since my counselling began, and the anger management has helped me a lot, and turned our relationship around.
48:15Good luck to them, thank you indeed to all of my guests this morning.
48:17Don't forget, if any of the issues on today's show affect you, and you want to be here on this stage, visit the website.
48:23The details are on your screens right now.
48:24Thank you to this audience in the studio.
48:26Most of all, as ever, a big thank you to you for watching at home.
48:28I'll see you very soon.
48:29Take care.
48:29Goodbye for now.
49:00Bye for now.