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川島・山内のマンガ沼 「住みにごり」たかたけし先生がテレビ初登場!
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00:00Now, it's time for Kawashima Yamauchi's Manga Numa!
00:06Thank you for coming.
00:08Here is today's theme.
00:11Manga Gachi Anketo!
00:15This time, as I requested,
00:19this is the manga I'm most curious about.
00:24That's right.
00:25I can't believe you can draw something so disgusting.
00:29All the characters are damaged.
00:32All the characters are damaged.
00:35I heard that the answer will be based on a survey.
00:39Yes, yes, yes.
00:40However, while I was writing the survey,
00:43you said,
00:44let's go!
00:46Why did you say that?
00:48I'm curious.
00:49You came to the studio.
00:51And it's your first time on TV.
00:53That's right.
00:54It's your first time.
00:57Now, let's welcome Mr. Takeshi Taka, the author of Sumi-Nigori.
01:03Hello.
01:08Please have a seat.
01:10That's wonderful.
01:13You only did surveys, right?
01:16That's right.
01:18But there were so many surveys.
01:22While I was drawing, I thought it would be faster to talk.
01:26That's right.
01:27There were many nuances.
01:29So, you said you could appear if you wore sunglasses.
01:34But your sunglasses are thin.
01:37That's right.
01:38I only have one friend.
01:41If I borrowed his sunglasses,
01:43I wouldn't be able to appear.
01:45That's right.
01:46There are sunglasses that cost less than 1,000 yen.
01:49That's right.
01:50I realized it later.
01:53Manga Number 158
01:56This time, the lineup is...
01:59A manga artist who draws and draws popular manga artists.
02:05This time, it's Yoshi Kawashima.
02:08The author of Sumi-Nigori, who drew a woman's family in a creepy way.
02:13Mr. Takeshi Taka appears on TV for the first time.
02:18When I go out to eat, I suddenly appear.
02:21Really?
02:22Yes.
02:23Is that true?
02:24Yes.
02:28Kawashima and Yamauchi's Manga Number.
02:33This program is a program where Kawashima and Yamauchi, who love manga, talk about manga.
02:41Did you know about this program?
02:44Yes, I watched it.
02:45It's like a school ranking.
02:48It's a program chosen by the entertainer of the school.
02:51I was watching it, and it seemed like they were giving me a name.
02:55I was fighting for first place, but I suddenly became fourth.
02:59I wanted to know the reason.
03:02I'm sorry that I sounded like a middle-class giant.
03:05I thought it would be second place if it wasn't first place.
03:08But it was fourth.
03:11I'm grateful that they gave me a name.
03:14That's not true.
03:16Let's take a look at Kawashima's profile.
03:22Taka Takeshi.
03:23I'm 45 years old and from Tokushima Prefecture.
03:25We're the same age.
03:26Kawashima-san, you were born in 1978.
03:29Yes, I was born in 1978.
03:31I was born in the same year as you.
03:34I've loved comedy since I was a kid.
03:36My future dream is to become a comedian.
03:38Is that true?
03:40Yes, I like comedy programs.
03:44I just wanted to become a comedian.
03:48You were in a comedy program.
03:49Yes, I was.
03:50Did you like Shinkieki?
03:53Yes, I liked Shinkieki, Drift, and Ken Shimura.
03:57I liked them all.
03:59So you liked comedy.
04:02After that, you wanted to become a gag cartoonist.
04:06You wanted to become a cartoonist when you were 20.
04:09That's when you started drawing manga.
04:11You saved 1,000,000 yen for a part-time job at a convenience store.
04:14When you were 26, you moved to Tokyo.
04:16After that, you fell in love with Netougiri.
04:19You met a friend there.
04:21He was a famous cartoonist.
04:23His name was Nashi Sui.
04:25He was the host of the program.
04:26Netougiri?
04:27Yes, I wanted to become a comedian.
04:31But I didn't have the courage to appear in front of people.
04:34So I did that as an excuse.
04:38There were a lot of people in the dark.
04:42In front of the computer?
04:43Yes.
04:44I made a website on my homepage.
04:49Did you make it yourself?
04:51I didn't have it.
04:52But there were a lot of people who had it.
04:55There were about 20 people.
04:58I couldn't do anything in front of people.
05:01But there were people who thought it was funny.
05:04It depends on the person.
05:06We all admired each other.
05:11When you were 38, you wanted to be a cartoonist.
05:15You won the R30 Manga Award for finding a cartoonist in his 30s.
05:21This is a masterpiece.
05:24I won the award for the first time.
05:27What were you doing until you were 38?
05:30I was just wandering around.
05:35Did you work at a convenience store?
05:37Yes, I worked at a convenience store.
05:41I worked at a convenience store to make money.
05:45You worked at a convenience store in Tokyo?
05:48Yes.
05:49I saved money at a convenience store in my hometown.
05:53I worked at a convenience store in Tokyo.
05:55You were working at a convenience store.
05:58It's different.
06:00I was in a bad situation.
06:03You were in a bad situation.
06:05After that, he continued to bring manga to publishing houses and publishers.
06:11Finally, he was noticed by the editors.
06:14In 2019, when he was 40 years old, he appeared in a young magazine.
06:17He became a cartoonist.
06:23You made your debut at the age of 40.
06:25It's quite late.
06:27I didn't think I could make my debut.
06:30I was happy.
06:32In 2021, when he was 42 years old, he appeared in a manga called Big Comics Periol.
06:37He started serialization of Sumi Nigori.
06:41He is still a popular cartoonist in the serialization of Sumi Nigori.
06:47In the first volume of this manga, you talked about the obi.
06:53It's a legendary obi.
06:55It's a legendary obi.
06:57Before the first volume was published, I received an offer.
07:01I didn't know the existence of this obi.
07:04I was asked to read about this obi on the Internet.
07:10I was caught.
07:12I wrote an obi about Sumi Nigori.
07:16I didn't know that Beat Takeshi was on the obi.
07:20I recommended Beat Takeshi and Kirin Kawashima.
07:22I said I didn't need Kawashima anymore.
07:24I said I didn't need Kawashima anymore.
07:26I said I didn't need Kawashima anymore.
07:28I said I didn't need Kawashima anymore.
07:30At the same time, I was asked if there was anyone I wanted to ask.
07:34I gave them my name.
07:37They all accepted my request.
07:41Did you have any contact with Takeshi?
07:43Takeshi is a person I can't separate.
07:47When the serialization of Sumi Nigori was over, it didn't sell well.
07:52It didn't sell as well as the original.
07:55You can't separate them.
07:57I thought I had nothing to do with this.
08:01I searched Takeshi's office on the Internet.
08:09It's a crazy guy.
08:11I wrote a letter and sent it to him.
08:13I wrote a letter and sent it to him.
08:15I wrote a letter and sent it to him.
08:17I wrote a letter and sent it to him.
08:19You wrote a reprimand letter.
08:23You wrote the letter and sent it yourself.
08:25You wrote the letter and sent it yourself.
08:26You didn't read it.
08:27You didn't read it.
08:31I thought I wouldn't read it because there were many people.
08:36In a while, the Kodansha wrote me the same letter.
08:41In a while, the Kodansha wrote me the same letter.
08:47I found out later that it was Takeshi's wife.
08:52His wife laughed so hard.
08:55She said, I've never laughed like this before.
08:58Was it a critical hit for Takeshi?
09:00She laughed so hard.
09:02But in the letter,
09:04her husband said,
09:06I think you'll like it, so why don't you read it?
09:09So I read it.
09:11I don't know what Takeshi thinks,
09:14but I knew it was in his eyes.
09:17So I was happy.
09:19How did Takeshi react to that?
09:23I didn't think he would accept it.
09:27But he did, so I was grateful.
09:31I don't remember him writing an obi.
09:34Especially in manga.
09:36I've never seen it.
09:38I like Takeshi,
09:40so I've never seen him write anything.
09:44The more I hear it,
09:46the less I need Mr. Kawashima.
09:49Why me?
09:51Takeshi had more impact.
09:54That's what I think.
09:57Mr. Kawashima is too much.
10:00I was happy.
10:02It was fun.
10:04This is a big deal.
10:07If you haven't read it yet,
10:09I want you to read it now.
10:11I'll read it now.
10:13It's been serialized in Big Comics Periole since 2021.
10:18It's currently on sale until volume 5.
10:22The main character is 29-year-old Kichi Sueki,
10:26who used to work in Tokyo.
10:29After a long break from work,
10:31Kichi Sueki goes back to his family.
10:34Kichi's family is in a bad mood,
10:37and his father, Shuran, starts a riot.
10:40His mother is a wheelchair user.
10:42His brother, Fumiya, is jobless.
10:45His older sister, Natsuki,
10:47goes to his parents' house often.
10:50Who is the right person for this family?
10:56When I first read it,
10:58I thought of Fumiya,
11:00who is jobless.
11:02I thought he was the right person.
11:05That's right.
11:07When I look at this photo,
11:09it's totally different from what I imagined.
11:11I agree.
11:12It doesn't look like him at all.
11:15This is crazy.
11:17This photo is crazy.
11:20I like this one.
11:22Today, we have Mr. Sagami,
11:24who is in charge of editing Sumi-Nigori.
11:26Thank you for coming.
11:30I've heard a lot about you in the media.
11:33How do you feel about it?
11:35I've started a new website called Bikkomi.
11:41I'm getting more and more access to it.
11:43I'm glad to hear that.
11:45It's all thanks to you.
11:47I hear that every time on this show.
11:50I don't know about you,
11:52but how do you feel about it?
11:54I can't help it.
11:56Every time I hear it,
11:58I feel like I'm going to eat a caterpillar.
12:00I have no choice but to say that.
12:02It's embarrassing.
12:04It was really good.
12:06I was influenced.
12:08Now, let's move on to Mr. Sagami's survey.
12:11Based on the survey,
12:13we will talk about the charm of Sumi-Nigori.
12:17Here is the first question.
12:19In Sumi-Nigori,
12:21what is your favorite scene and why?
12:24Here is the answer.
12:26My favorite scene is
12:28on page 147 of volume 2.
12:30It's a scene of my mother and father.
12:33Like Suikichi,
12:35I heard my father flirting with my mother
12:38in front of the bathroom.
12:40The actual conversation was vulgar,
12:42but I felt uncomfortable.
12:44At the same time,
12:46I remembered that I was a partner
12:48before I was a parent.
12:50Let's take a look at that scene.
12:52Here it is.
12:54I feel like I'm a baby.
12:57There is a part where my mother is crying.
13:02It's a beautiful scene.
13:04I think it's a great scene
13:06when you talk to each other.
13:09Based on the survey,
13:11what is your actual experience?
13:13Well,
13:15I happened to hear Suikichi
13:17flirting with my mother
13:19in front of the bathroom.
13:21I happened to hear Suikichi
13:23flirting with my mother
13:25in front of the bathroom as well.
13:27In Sumi-Nigori,
13:29Suikichi is a parent
13:31who shows a lot of negative reactions.
13:34When I saw Suikichi's kissing scene
13:36or hugging scene on TV,
13:38I changed my channel.
13:40Even in movies?
13:42Suikichi is a parent
13:44who tells me that
13:46Suikichi doesn't have an inferiority complex.
13:48When I get older,
13:50I think everything gets better.
13:52I was surprised.
13:54Did you hear that Suikichi
13:56was flirting with your mother?
13:58Yes.
14:00He was saying
14:02the name of the female genitalia.
14:04The name of the female genitalia?
14:06I don't want to hear that.
14:08Maybe Suikichi is still kissing you.
14:10Yes.
14:12He was joking about
14:14the female genitalia.
14:16The female genitalia?
14:18He was laughing.
14:20He was laughing?
14:22Yes.
14:24I've never seen that before.
14:26He was flirting with his mother.
14:28I've never seen
14:30Suikichi kissing his mother.
14:32I've never seen that before.
14:34I've never seen that before.
14:36His father was
14:38a very strict craftsman.
14:40He was a very strict craftsman.
14:42He accepted my jokes.
14:44But he didn't tell me
14:46any of those jokes.
14:48I went on a business trip
14:50with Suikichi's father
14:52when I was in elementary school.
14:54We were playing mahjong
14:56at the nightclub.
14:58We were playing mahjong.
15:00One of my colleagues
15:02told me
15:04that Suikichi didn't tell me
15:06any of those jokes.
15:08He usually does.
15:10His father's ears were red.
15:12He was like,
15:14huh?
15:16One of my colleagues
15:18threw away his manzu.
15:20Suikichi,
15:22your face was red.
15:24I couldn't hear anything.
15:26I thought you were talking a lot.
15:28I knew that.
15:30The face at work
15:32and the face at home are different.
15:34When I was at my parents' house,
15:36everyone ignored me
15:38when I was flirting with my mother.
15:40When I was at my parents' house,
15:42everyone ignored me
15:44when I was flirting with my mother.
15:46When I was a kid,
15:48I didn't know what a condom was.
15:50I didn't know.
15:52My mother was
15:54folding laundry
15:56and I was studying.
15:58My mother asked me
16:00what I had to do
16:02and I was told
16:04to bring a napkin
16:06in the class.
16:08I don't know why
16:10but I said I had to
16:12bring a napkin
16:14and I was told
16:16I had to fold laundry
16:18I was like, why am I being ignored like this?
16:22I turned around and said,
16:24it's not skin, it's fukin.
16:27I said, mom, it's fukin.
16:29She said, yes, it's fukin.
16:31Time started to move.
16:36After this, we found out a shocking fact about Agi and Fumiyo's model!
16:41When I go out to eat,
16:43she suddenly comes out like that.
16:45Really?
16:46Is that true?
16:48Fumiyo!
16:49What?
16:54Here is the next question.
16:56I'd like to ask Taka-sensei.
16:58Who is your favorite character in Sumi-nigori?
17:04I like all of them, but I also hate some of them.
17:06Which one is the most difficult?
17:08I like the scene where Fumiyo's butt is getting closer.
17:13This scene.
17:15This one.
17:19The answer is different.
17:21But I like it.
17:23He's working on something.
17:28He's putting the camera here.
17:30This is the picture of this scene.
17:34This one.
17:38It's exactly the same.
17:41Is this your butt?
17:43Yes.
17:44The body shape is similar to Fumiyo's.
17:48So it's easy to work on.
17:51Is Fumiyo's model a model of her body?
17:54Yes.
17:55But all of them are doing it by themselves.
17:58Fumiyo often wears an amulet.
18:01Do you wear that?
18:03No, I don't.
18:05When I go out to eat,
18:09she suddenly comes out like that.
18:13Really?
18:15Is that true?
18:16That's crazy.
18:20I thought she was crazy.
18:22She came out like that.
18:24It was like that.
18:26Really?
18:28It was a love letter.
18:31But it was actually a batman.
18:34That's not the problem.
18:36You can't be a batman.
18:39You can't eat curry.
18:42That's not your personality.
18:44I didn't know that.
18:46Is she a model?
18:48Yes, she is.
18:50Have you ever heard of her?
18:54No, I've never heard of her.
18:56I don't know much about manga.
19:00Is that so?
19:03After this, Kawashima's family story.
19:08Most of my oden is...
19:17Let's move on to the next story.
19:19The reason why I bought Suminiguri.
19:22This is what I wanted to hear the most.
19:25I wanted to make a story about my family,
19:28so I decided to make a manga.
19:30The theme is family.
19:32That's right.
19:34Each story has a unique story.
19:40I like to hear that kind of story.
19:43I had a lot of stories like that in my house.
19:46I thought I could use that story.
19:49There is a line in the manga that says,
19:52everyone's family is strange.
19:55Is that true for you?
19:57Is it true that everyone's family is strange?
20:00I sometimes use my family's elements.
20:05Is there any part of your family that has changed compared to others?
20:11It's in the manga.
20:15My mother used to say bad things about my father.
20:21My mother used to say bad things about my father.
20:28Bad things about your father?
20:30Yes.
20:31My father is the closest person to me.
20:34My father is the closest person to me.
20:37He's like this character.
20:39He drinks and goes crazy.
20:41I used to say bad things about my father.
20:44I used to say bad things about my father.
20:47Don't you have that in your family?
20:51Most of my oden was shumai.
20:58I was surprised when I saw it outside.
21:00When I saw oden at a convenience store, I thought it was shumai.
21:04I've never seen shumai.
21:05Most of my oden was shumai.
21:07It's strange.
21:08I don't know why.
21:09You were happy to eat it.
21:11I was happy to eat it.
21:12Oden is before eating shumai.
21:15Oden is before eating shumai.
21:23Next time, we will show you Mr. Taka's precious work room.
21:28I'm going to take the evil flower with my left hand and go home.
21:31Of course.
21:32Let's do it.
21:33I think it's dangerous.
21:34It's dangerous.
21:36In addition, Mr. Taka is going to do a sumi-nigori.
21:45What?
21:51I thought it was sukiyaki because I was poor.
21:55I found out later that it was meat and potato.
22:00How did you feel?
22:01I haven't eaten sukiyaki yet.
22:04On the contrary.

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