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00:00Continuing from the last episode, we will continue with the opening from inside the company.
00:05We are now heading to meet Mr. Tsurube.
00:11We have invited a person whom we have been thinking about for a long time.
00:15Rather than an invitation, we are going there.
00:18He is a person who has a rare job.
00:21He is a swordsmith.
00:23A swordsmith?
00:25He makes Japanese swords.
00:28His name is Mr. Kawachi Kunihira.
00:31He has been a swordsmith for generations.
00:37But he once lost his job when he was a father.
00:40His son, Mr. Kawachi, was thinking of quitting because he had no future as a swordsmith.
00:47But many things happened.
00:49He decided to become a swordsmith himself.
00:53He became a disciple.
00:55He became a disciple?
00:57Yes, he became a disciple of a swordsmith.
01:02He became independent.
01:04Now, he has his own workshop in the mountains of Nara.
01:07He has a disciple.
01:09He is making swords.
01:11He graduated from a university in Osaka.
01:15He is from Osaka.
01:17He is from Osaka?
01:19Yes, he is from Osaka.
01:21He lives in Nara.
01:23When I first met him, I thought he was a good talker.
01:28He is a cheerful person.
01:30Where did you meet him?
01:31Me?
01:33Where was it?
01:35Are you OK?
01:37I met him at a party in Kanazawa.
01:40I said, this looks delicious.
01:42He said, really?
01:44I said, let's try this.
01:46We got along well.
01:48I said, let's go for another drink.
01:50We went to a bar and talked.
01:52He didn't know anything about me.
01:54I didn't know anything about him either.
01:56We said, see you later.
01:58We got along well.
02:00After that, we met and went to a bar.
02:04That's how you got along with him?
02:06Yes, we got along well.
02:08I went to his workshop once.
02:10How long has it been since you met him?
02:12It's been a while since I met him.
02:16I think it's been 7 or 8 years.
02:18What?
02:19I think it's been 7 years.
02:21That's a long time.
02:23I've been busy.
02:25I call him often.
02:27I say, how are you?
02:31The car with the two of them
02:33heads towards Nara's Yoshino.
02:38Anyway, it takes an hour and a half
02:40to climb the mountain road.
02:46We've come a long way.
02:48Was it this far?
02:50You brought me here.
02:52When I came here 9 years ago,
02:54was it this far?
02:56Your wife is here.
02:58No?
03:00It's been a while.
03:02We've finally arrived.
03:04She's not your wife, is she?
03:06She's Mr. Kunihiro Kawachi's wife.
03:08She's young.
03:10Mr. Kunihiro Kawachi is over 80 years old, right?
03:14I'm the same age as Mr. Tsurube.
03:16Of course.
03:18She's two years older than Mr. Kawachi.
03:20Thank you for the flowers at the exhibition the other day.
03:23No problem.
03:24I'm sorry about the flowers.
03:26She couldn't make it.
03:27It was my first time.
03:29Is that so?
03:30Thank you very much.
03:32You're welcome.
03:33We've come this far.
03:36How long does it take to get here?
03:39It takes about 30 minutes by car.
03:42Where's the bathhouse?
03:44There's a hot spring there.
03:46There's a hot spring.
03:48I have a bath, so I'll stay at home.
03:50I'll leave it to you.
03:52Where's the main character?
03:54Please wait.
03:56She's tired of waiting.
03:58She's tired of waiting.
04:00She's tired of waiting.
04:04I like the atmosphere here.
04:06Where's the main character?
04:08She's at work.
04:10She's at work.
04:12I'm going in.
04:14The inside may be pitch black.
04:16I see.
04:17You should paint it.
04:19Ms. Kunihira is at the building where she's working.
04:27The black curtain is closed during the day.
04:30It's a very special atmosphere.
04:34Can you explain?
04:36If you look here,
04:38you can see the ceiling.
04:42This way.
04:44That person.
04:52Who is he?
04:54He's my student.
04:58Is that a charcoal?
05:01Yes, it's charcoal.
05:04It's important.
05:07Charcoal is important.
05:11Why?
05:13It's very important.
05:16Charcoal.
05:30I'll put it out over there.
05:33Ms. Kawachi is facing the flames.
05:37What's going to happen?
05:48Tsurube and Agawa are nervous as usual.
06:08And...
06:16Here it comes.
06:38What's going to happen?
06:44Here it comes.
07:07What's going to happen?
07:10What's going to happen?
07:36Hello.
07:39What's going to happen?
07:42What's going to happen?
08:09What's going to happen?
08:11What's going to happen?
08:14What's going to happen?
08:33What's going to happen?
08:37What's going to happen?
08:39It's hot.
08:59What are you doing?
09:01I'm cutting the bread.
09:03Wow.
09:05I'm cutting the bread.
09:09I'm cutting the bread.
09:13It's hot.
09:15It's hot.
09:23It's hot.
09:27It's hot.
09:39It's hot.
09:47What are you doing?
09:49I'm cutting the bread.
09:51It's hot.
09:55It's hot.
09:57I'm cutting the bread.
09:59I'm cutting the bread.
10:01Kurube and Sawako.
10:03Two strange people.
10:05Two strange people.
10:07Two strange people.
10:11Can I open it?
10:15It's hot.
10:17I'm sweating.
10:19I'm sweating.
10:21I'm sweating.
10:23Nice to meet you.
10:25I'm Tsurube.
10:27I'm Tsurube.
10:29Nice to meet you.
10:31Your face is red.
10:33How long have you been doing this?
10:35Since this morning.
10:38In his hometown Nara,
10:40he learned to theyAND his craft.
10:42With a show of force,
10:44he cut out boxes and used them.
10:46He's Kunihira.
10:48He is 83 years old.
10:50He is a legend all around the world.
10:52He is a legend all around the world.
10:54Like many Japanese...
10:57I used a hammer
10:59to break this.
11:01Like many Japanese...
11:03It's a hit.
11:05Hot, hot, hot!
11:07Your wife is not good at doing it on a daily basis.
11:10I think it's a hit.
11:12It's a hit, right?
11:13It's a hit, right?
11:14It's a hit, right?
11:15It was so hot.
11:17I really wanted to be hit.
11:20Is it okay?
11:21No, no.
11:22How hot is it?
11:24It's about 1400 degrees.
11:27That's hot.
11:28It's the hottest.
11:30He hit me like this.
11:33What are you doing?
11:35It's really heavy.
11:36It's really heavy.
11:39It's heavy, isn't it?
11:41Sumi-san, hold it.
11:44No, it's you.
11:45It's up to here.
11:47It's a hit, so it's broken.
11:49It's a hit, so it's broken.
11:50A tall person gets hit.
11:54Have you ever hit your master's hand?
11:56No.
11:57Of course.
11:59I usually hit with three people.
12:01I'm alone because I don't have a master.
12:03Three people?
12:04Ton, Ten, and Kan.
12:05Ton, Ten, and Kan.
12:06What's your name?
12:08My name is Kaneda Kunizani.
12:11Kaneda Kunizani.
12:13That's my kuniya.
12:15Were there three people when you were hit?
12:18When I was hit...
12:19One more person?
12:20One more person.
12:22I'm 89 years old, so I'm worried about my master.
12:25How many years has it been?
12:28It's been about 10 years.
12:30It's been about 10 years.
12:32Did he come back?
12:34I asked him to come back.
12:36He lives in the prefecture.
12:38How many people did you hit?
12:40I hit about 50 people.
12:4350 people?
12:44Yes, but there were 7 people who were hit.
12:48I was the 7th.
12:50That's right.
12:53Why didn't you quit?
12:56That's right.
12:58I've always been a bad person.
13:02I shouldn't have done that.
13:04I shouldn't have done that.
13:06I should have done something else.
13:08It's like a blacksmith.
13:10Making a sword is like a normal blacksmith.
13:14Blacksmiths, carpenters, and carpenters are normal people.
13:18That's right.
13:19Especially in the past.
13:21In the past, people did it like this.
13:23I don't think it's such a difficult job.
13:26It takes 10 years to make a good sword.
13:33That's right.
13:35If I had 3 years of work, I would have learned it.
13:37You don't have to learn it.
13:39I don't have to learn it.
13:40I don't know what to do after that.
13:41That's right.
13:42When I first met you,
13:45you said that there was no one to follow you.
13:49That's not true.
13:51That's not true.
13:53I came here because I wanted to do it.
13:56Why did you want to do it?
13:58I read your book.
14:01I learned about the world of sword making.
14:05I was attracted to your personality.
14:09Can I give you something?
14:13Can I take this home?
14:17I don't think people like that will quit.
14:20I agree.
14:21People who have quit their job
14:23are attracted to their work.
14:26That's not true.
14:27I think there are beautiful and difficult sides.
14:31Didn't you want to quit?
14:33I didn't.
14:34What kept you going?
14:39I don't know.
14:40You don't know?
14:41I don't know.
14:42That's great.
14:43It's correct that you don't know.
14:45I don't know.
14:47You don't know.
14:48I really don't know.
14:50But I'm glad that I kept going.
14:55I'm glad, too.
14:57You're number one in Japan this year.
15:00Who?
15:01Takamatsu Nomiyoshi.
15:04I'm in my 30s.
15:05It's just the beginning.
15:06That's right.
15:07It's just the beginning.
15:09It's just the beginning.
15:11I'm still in my 30s.
15:13I'm still in my 30s.
15:15It's encouraging.
15:18It's easy for people to understand.
15:22It's encouraging, but it's just the beginning.
15:26Even though you're in your 80s,
15:28you still do heavy work.
15:31It's normal.
15:32It's not a big job.
15:34It's not a big job.
15:35You're a blacksmith.
15:37It's normal to be a blacksmith or a carpenter.
15:41It's normal for a blacksmith to make a sword
15:46that has been passed down for a long time.
15:52You have to make a good sword.
15:54It's a sword from the Kamakura period.
15:57It's boring to fight with modern swords.
16:02There's a sword left.
16:04That's the opponent.
16:06You're trying to overcome that.
16:07It's not fair.
16:08If you make a good sword and leave it as it is,
16:12it's not fair.
16:13It's annoying.
16:15It's annoying.
16:16Even if you're told to make a good sword,
16:18if you make it,
16:19other people will say it's better.
16:23Are you told to make a good sword
16:25when it's finished?
16:27No, no.
16:28At that time,
16:29after the Meiji War,
16:31if it's sent abroad,
16:33I'll be in trouble.
16:34I'll be in trouble.
16:36I see.
16:37To protect it.
16:38To protect it.
16:39If you do that, it won't come out.
16:41A small sword,
16:42a sword in a shrine,
16:43or a sword in the Daimyo prefecture
16:46are all rejected.
16:48So, from your point of view,
16:49it's not a big deal.
16:51There are many better swords on the street.
16:54Oh, really?
16:56This one is worth more.
16:58But, for example,
16:59the one Nobunaga had
17:00and the one Hideyoshi had
17:02are different.
17:04So, what do you call it?
17:06The one that was handed down to the Shimazu family
17:08or the Maeda family.
17:10There's a history of that.
17:12There's no such thing now.
17:15I don't know if what's being passed on is true,
17:18but there may be a saying
17:20like,
17:21the sword you gave to that person is amazing.
17:23There's no such thing.
17:24If you give it to Tsurubi-san,
17:25won't the price go up?
17:26No, it won't.
17:28If you give it to Tsurubi-san,
17:29will he buy it?
17:30No, no.
17:31But, well,
17:32if you give it to Tsurubi-san,
17:34won't the price go up?
17:35I don't think so at all.
17:37In the old days,
17:38it was a practical item.
17:40Now,
17:41it's not that people use swords.
17:44But,
17:45there's a demand for it.
17:47It's strange.
17:48This is amazing.
17:49Swords aren't just for cutting.
17:51There's also mental power
17:53and electricity.
17:55In short,
17:56something that shines
17:57has faith.
17:58There's faith?
17:59So,
18:00Takamatsu, Kagami, and katana
18:02are in the first generation, right?
18:04Yes.
18:05That's all.
18:06So, there's a plus side to it.
18:08And they're still making them.
18:10Right.
18:11They've been training for 10 years.
18:12Right.
18:13What are they doing?
18:14Right.
18:15What are they doing?
18:17So,
18:18Takamatsu-san,
18:19even if you say you got it,
18:20you can't get it in one try.
18:21It's impossible.
18:22If you keep doing it,
18:23you'll be able to do it.
18:24But,
18:25you can get it in one try
18:26if you're lucky.
18:27So,
18:28you can't get it in one try?
18:29I can't get it in one try.
18:30I can't get it in one try.
18:31It's a given.
18:32I'll tell you.
18:33You can't get it in one try.
18:36I can't get it in one try.
18:38Even if you got a rookie award,
18:40you couldn't get it in one try.
18:42But,
18:43you need to have the spirit to get it in one try.
18:45You need to have the spirit to get it in one try.
18:48I'm not listening to the law.
18:52After this,
18:53Kawachi-san and Tsurube-san
18:54have a talk
18:55and Agawa-san laughs.
18:57You can't get it in one try.
18:58You can't get it in one try.
18:59I can't get it in one try.
19:00You can't get it in one try.
19:04Do I look like him?
19:07You're making fun of me.
19:08That's rude.
19:09You look like him.
19:10I'd look worse if I had a little more hair.
19:17Yoshino of Nara
19:19continues to make katana.
19:22Agawa has been friends with him for about 30 years.
19:25Kawachi Kunihira-san
19:33You're 83 years old?
19:35I'm already 84.
19:37That means
19:39you're 20 years older than me.
19:41Really?
19:42You're 20 years older than me.
19:43I'm 72.
19:44I'm 73,
19:46but I'm turning 40 this year.
19:48That's right.
19:49I'm 84.
19:50We're the same age.
19:51We're the same age.
19:52We're the same age.
19:53That's right.
19:58I'm starting to get confused.
20:01He looks younger than me.
20:03Because he's young?
20:04He's young.
20:05And you're already exposed?
20:06I'm already exposed.
20:08I'm 10 years older than him.
20:09He's the same age as my wife.
20:11A rabbit?
20:12A rabbit, a rabbit.
20:13Oh, I see.
20:15I don't want to pry into your personal life,
20:18but I first met Kawachi-san
20:20about 30 years ago.
20:22I think so.
20:22So you got along with her, and you felt like you could get along with her.
20:24No, I couldn't get along with her.
20:26I was joking with her.
20:28You're always joking.
20:30No, I'm grateful.
20:31If I didn't do that, I wouldn't have started.
20:33I wouldn't have lost.
20:34I'm a joker.
20:35A joker.
20:36A joker.
20:37Why are you a joker?
20:39I'm a joker.
20:40You're a joker.
20:41You're a joker.
20:42You're a joker.
20:44I'm not a joker.
20:45I'm not a joker.
20:49You're a joker.
20:50It's a popular word.
20:51Of course, I can tell.
20:52You're a joker.
20:53Of course, I can tell.
20:54Mr. Kawachi, where did you make your sword?
20:59I've been making swords for a long time.
21:01I've been making swords since the beginning of Edo period.
21:03Since the beginning of Edo period?
21:05I think it's been a long time, but I've been making swords since then.
21:08I have to tell you.
21:10How old are you?
21:12My father was 14 years old.
21:14I'm 15 years old.
21:15I see.
21:16I see.
21:17Do your son have a sword?
21:20Yes, he does.
21:23In Nagano?
21:24Yes, he does.
21:25I had a 15-year-old son when I came back.
21:2716 years old.
21:28His father was 14 years old, and I was 15 years old.
21:36You're not making fun of me.
21:37Mr. Kawachi, you didn't make a sword in the beginning.
21:40I'm not.
21:41I was told I wouldn't return to the time of the sword.
21:44You see, the commander of the Weapon Manufacturing Company was angry when I made a sword.
21:49But the era of swords didn't come.
21:51What did you want to be?
21:53I wanted to be in the Faculty of Law.
21:56The Faculty of Law in Kandai?
21:58The Faculty of Law in Kandai is very, very difficult.
22:01It's very difficult even in Kandai.
22:03You were the best?
22:04I was the best.
22:06You were the best?
22:07I was the best.
22:08I went to a high school near here.
22:10This is Ueno Miya.
22:12This is Ueno Miya.
22:14I was the best.
22:16Why did you decide to become a swordsman?
22:20It doesn't matter if I became a swordsman.
22:22We're going to talk about a lot of things,
22:24but please don't ask me about the law.
22:27Who's going to ask you?
22:29I usually have an eye for people,
22:31so I'm sure this person is a swordsman.
22:36I don't even look like a craftsman.
22:40I don't even look like a craftsman.
22:42You don't look like a craftsman.
22:44If I talk like a craftsman,
22:46I'm afraid I'll be scolded.
22:48I'm a little bit of a talker.
22:51I'm 80 years old.
22:53You're 20 years younger than me.
22:55I'm 10 years younger than you.
22:57I'm a talker.
22:59I'm sorry.
23:00I'm a funny person.
23:03Actually, I didn't know this,
23:06but you were clumsy.
23:09You weren't just left-handed.
23:12You're still clumsy.
23:13I'm still clumsy.
23:14My apprentice is better than me.
23:16Kaneda is clumsy.
23:19That's a problem.
23:22I'm clumsy, so I don't want to lose to my apprentice.
23:30I don't want to lose to my apprentice.
23:32I want to be clumsy.
23:35I met Mr. Sakai in the 14th generation of Aritayaki.
23:43Sakata? Sakai?
23:45I don't know.
23:46I met him in the 14th generation of Aritayaki.
23:50I asked him what kind of person he was suitable for as an apprentice.
24:00He said he was clumsy.
24:03I thought it would be useless for a clumsy person to draw such a delicate picture.
24:12But he said it wasn't.
24:13A clumsy person can see easily,
24:15so his eyes and heart can be seen.
24:18But a clumsy person can't do it,
24:20so if you keep doing it for 10 years,
24:24you'll be able to draw one or two pictures.
24:27I thought it was the same as what he said.
24:29I have a friend who is clumsy and good at drawing.
24:32He can cook.
24:34He can do anything.
24:36Sometimes he goes to Yokohama.
24:38I thought I shouldn't have done that.
24:40What couldn't you do?
24:42I couldn't do anything.
24:43First of all, I can't do sports.
24:44You can't do sports?
24:45I don't know music.
24:47You don't know?
24:48I don't drink alcohol.
24:49You don't drink alcohol at all?
24:50So I can't do anything.
24:54You don't like Bakuchi?
24:56I can do math.
24:57You can't do math?
24:59How did you think you would become a law student?
25:01I'm not good at law.
25:04Law schools in Kandai have good employment rates.
25:08Law schools in Kandai have good employment rates?
25:10That's right.
25:11So I went.
25:12I didn't go because I liked the law.
25:14You wanted to get a job?
25:15I didn't want to get a job.
25:16My father was a blacksmith.
25:19He was a craftsman.
25:20A craftsman's father
25:22wanted to get a job
25:24in a big university
25:26and get a job in a bank.
25:28That was his hope.
25:30If you had wanted that,
25:32you wouldn't have become like this.
25:33Right.
25:34You wouldn't have come here.
25:35You wouldn't have become like this.
25:36Oh, I see.
25:37You wouldn't have come here.
25:38You look like me.
25:42You look like me.
25:45You look like me.
25:46I was told.
25:47You look like this person.
25:49I see.
25:50I see.
25:51What do you think of it?
25:52What are you doing?
25:53Do I look like him?
25:56What are you doing?
25:58Do I look like him?
26:01He's calling me.
26:02You look like him.
26:03You look like him.
26:04Even if I say so.
26:05Put on your glasses.
26:07Do I look like him?
26:08Because you're wearing Kawachi's glasses.
26:10You look like Tsurube.
26:12But I look like Kawachi.
26:14That's fine.
26:15You look like him.
26:16You're right.
26:17You're right.
26:18Do I look like him?
26:19Do I look like him?
26:20Try it on.
26:22Wait.
26:23Try it on.
26:24Like this?
26:26Try it on.
26:30You look like him.
26:32You look like him.
26:33You look like him.
26:34You look like him.
26:37You look like him.
26:38I look like him?
26:40I don't look like him at all.
26:42Like this?
26:43Like this?
26:44Isn't it too much?
26:45Too much?
26:46Like this?
26:48Let's change seats.
26:50What are you doing?
26:52You look like him.
26:54You look like him.
26:55What are you doing here?
26:59You're a craftsman.
27:01You should be more quiet.
27:03You're a craftsman.
27:04You should be more nervous.
27:07Other people should be nervous.
27:09Not me.
27:10I see.
27:11I'm nervous.
27:13It's complicated.
27:15Do I look like him?
27:16But you know...
27:17Put on your glasses.
27:19I didn't put on my glasses.
27:21Oh, right.
27:22I didn't put on my glasses.
27:24When it comes to work,
27:26I'm really good at this.
27:28What do you mean?
27:30I drew this myself.
27:32You're good.
27:33I'm good.
27:34You're good.
27:35I can do it.
27:36I can do it.
27:37I can do it.
27:38I can do it.
27:39I can definitely do it.
27:40If you can't do it,
27:41you shouldn't think about it.
27:43No matter what you do,
27:44you should just do this.
27:46If you can't do it,
27:47you should just do this.
27:49If you can't do it,
27:50you should just do this.
27:51At first, I drew it in big letters.
27:52I told my students,
27:53I told them in big letters.
27:55But after a few times,
27:57it became small.
27:58I told them to draw it in bigger letters,
28:00but it became big.
28:01At the end,
28:02I told them to draw it in big letters.
28:03They were angry.
28:04You're good.
28:05You can do it.
28:06You can do it.
28:07You can do it.
28:08You can definitely do it.
28:09You shouldn't think about it.
28:12Do you ever feel anxious?
28:14Anxious?
28:15I can't do anything else.
28:17I can't do anything else.
28:19I'm sorry to say this,
28:21but I feel the same way.
28:23You're on a different path,
28:25but as a craftsman,
28:27you're on your own path.
28:29You're on your own path,
28:30but as a craftsman,
28:31you're on your own path.
28:32You're on your own path,
28:33but as a craftsman,
28:34you're on your own path.
28:35You're on your own path,
28:36but as a craftsman,
28:37you're on your own path.
28:38You're on your own path,
28:39but as a craftsman,
28:40you're on your own path.
28:41You're on your own path,
28:42but as a craftsman,
28:43you're on your own path.
28:44You grew up in the head of a family
28:45that wasn't a craftsman.
28:46Yeah, I grew up in the family
28:47of a man named Miyairi Shohei.
28:48He was a very good person.
28:49He was a good person.
28:50He did the best job.
28:51He was good.
28:52So when I was in the army,
28:53he was on duty until he was 18.
28:54He was on duty until he was 18.
28:55In the end,
28:56he told the students,
28:57he told the students,
28:58that it's good to look for a job,
28:59but you should be looking for a human being.
29:00But you should be looking for a job,
29:01but you should be looking for a human being.
29:02That's what he said.
29:03That's the main problem.
29:04You'll find no human being.
29:05That's the main problem.
29:06That's not fun at all.
29:07I don't know what to say.
29:09It's a matter of life and death.
29:11It's a matter of life and death.
29:13It's a matter of life and death.
29:15It's a matter of life and death.
29:17It's a matter of life and death.
29:19It's a matter of life and death.
29:21It's a matter of life and death.
29:23It's a matter of life and death.
29:25It's a matter of life and death.
29:27It's a matter of life and death.
29:29It's a matter of life and death.
29:31It's a matter of life and death.
29:33It's a matter of life and death.
29:35It's a matter of life and death.
29:37It's a matter of life and death.
29:39It's a matter of life and death.
29:41It's a matter of life and death.
29:43It's a matter of life and death.
29:45It's a matter of life and death.
29:47It's a matter of life and death.
29:49It's a matter of life and death.
29:51It's a matter of life and death.
29:53It's a matter of life and death.
29:55It's a matter of life and death.
29:57It's a matter of life and death.
29:59It's a matter of life and death.
30:01It's a matter of life and death.
30:03It's just that I can't sell this because I think it's boring.
30:06Japanese people want swords,
30:08and there are many people who want them.
30:10Even now?
30:12I think of it as something good.
30:14Well, that depends on me.
30:16I'm good at swordplay.
30:18That's why I'm saying this.
30:20Actually, people now ask me what generation I'm from.
30:24I'm not really interested in that.
30:26I would try my best and say that I was born there.
30:28But I was born without permission.
30:30I was just born without permission.
30:32Do you have a sense that you have to protect it?
30:35That's a mistake.
30:39I don't think it's good to be happy with a few generations.
30:46No matter what you do?
30:47No matter what you do.
30:48How much do you...
30:50If you don't make something, it's just a matter of whether it's good or not.
30:54If you're a storyteller, it's just a matter of how good you are.
30:58It doesn't matter if you're the second generation, the fifth generation, or the 26th generation.
31:02You shouldn't get carried away by that.
31:05I see.
31:06You shouldn't get carried away by that.
31:08That's not the real thing.
31:09Where did you get the order from?
31:13Where did you get the order from?
31:15I don't really care.
31:17Because it's selling on its own.
31:19I heard that a lot of Hollywood stars have ordered from you in the past.
31:23I don't know.
31:26I heard that a lot of Hollywood stars have ordered from you in the past.
31:28I don't know if I should ask my mother.
31:30I heard that a lot of Hollywood stars have ordered from you in the past.
31:31I don't know if I should ask my mother.
31:37Huh?
31:38Huh?
31:39Steven Seagal.
31:40Steven Seagal...
31:41Oh, Steven Seagal.
31:42He's a Japanese person who loves Japan.
31:45He's a Japanese martial artist.
31:49I was rejected by the order.
31:52He's a big guy.
31:53He's a big guy.
31:54I was scared.
31:55I came from such a far place.
31:57Is it far?
31:59It's very far.
32:01Steven Seagal came here.
32:03Did you meet him in person?
32:05I met him in person.
32:07At first, he told me that he made a big one, but I didn't like it.
32:09He told me to make a longer one.
32:11A long one?
32:13A big one. But I haven't done it yet.
32:15Wait a minute.
32:17When did you order it?
32:19A few years ago.
32:21About four years ago.
32:23You really don't know anything about the world?
32:25Do you know Tsurube-san?
32:27Of course, I know him.
32:29Why? Because we look alike.
32:31You look like Tsurube-san.
32:33No, I don't.
32:39Mr. Kawachi made a Japanese sword.
32:41Let's take a look at it.
32:47This is a sword made by Mr. Dozen.
32:49This is a sword made by Mr. Dozen.
32:51This is a sword made by Mr. Dozen.
32:57I didn't know that he could make such a calm sword.
32:59I didn't know that he could make such a calm sword.
33:03This is a hammond.
33:07This has a lot of different shapes.
33:09This has a lot of different shapes.
33:11It's hard to make it.
33:13You have to make it to understand.
33:15It's a thorn hole.
33:17It's amazing.
33:19I recently got it painted.
33:21He did it today.
33:27Was it from Wajima Nori?
33:29He painted it without giving up.
33:31He painted it without giving up.
33:33He painted it without giving up.
33:35When he was making it, there was an earthquake.
33:37Before the earthquake.
33:39Before the earthquake.
33:41The house was destroyed.
33:43The house was destroyed.
33:45I still have the brush.
33:47I've been making videos for a while now, and it's been a long time since I last bought one.
33:52It's been about two years.
33:54And it's been raining a lot.
33:58It's been raining a lot.
34:00It's been raining a lot.
34:02Yes, it has.
34:03Today, around 10 o'clock, I bought one.
34:05That's great.
34:07This is really good.
34:10The coating.
34:11Yes, the coating.
34:13There's a black dot on each of the scales.
34:19Did you do the coating yourself?
34:24Yes, I did.
34:27I'm surprised how good you are.
34:29I'm getting good at it.
34:32What a timing.
34:34You're still young.
34:36I'm about 50.
34:38You're really good at coating.
34:40I'm surprised.
34:41Look at this.
34:42I'm so happy to hear that.
34:45There's a black dot on each of the scales.
34:48And I put all the metal fittings together.
34:52Who did this?
34:54It's an old one.
34:56It's from the Edo period.
34:57The metal fittings.
35:00Only modern people can do this.
35:02There's no technology.
35:05I wonder how many people worked on it.
35:09The scabbard is different.
35:11The scabbard is different.
35:12It's made of a different scabbard.
35:14What else?
35:15The hook is different.
35:17The hook is different.
35:18The hook is different.
35:19The barb is different.
35:21The string is different.
35:23This is also different.
35:24This is leather.
35:26I was thanking him for this morning.
35:28I called him.
35:30He didn't say anything about the money.
35:31He said it cost a lot.
35:33He said he'd pay me back in the spring.
35:35He said it was enough.
35:36What did he say?
35:38He said it was enough.
35:40He didn't say the price.
35:42No matter how much he asked,
35:43he'd say,
35:44It's just a little.
35:45It's just a little?
35:47He didn't say.
35:48He said it was enough.
35:50It's just a little.
35:52It's hard to pay back.
35:55It's hard to pay back.
35:57I don't know how much it was.
35:59I don't know how much it was.
36:02A few million yen?
36:03It was a few million yen.
36:05This is just glue, right?
36:07Yes, just glue.
36:09But there was an earthquake, so I added a lot of things.
36:12Yes, yes, yes.
36:13And I was happy to get a job.
36:15Where are you going with this sword?
36:17I'm going to Switzerland.
36:19You're going to Switzerland?
36:20I'm going to a Swiss watch shop.
36:22There's a famous person.
36:24I don't know him.
36:26I'm going to Switzerland.
36:28Oh, that's right.
36:29That's why my sword is in there.
36:31Oh, I see.
36:33This is a different sword.
36:35You made this, didn't you?
36:36This is mine.
36:39Do you want to hold this sword?
36:41Yes, yes.
36:44You shouldn't touch the top from here.
36:46Because it will rot.
36:47I don't need to touch it.
36:48No, you should hold the bottom from here.
36:50Here you go.
36:51No, I'm scared.
36:54Wow, it's heavy.
36:56Well, I usually hold it with a sheath.
37:00Why did you bring this?
37:04Here you go.
37:05No, no, no.
37:06I can't hold it with a sheath.
37:09To make a sheath,
37:11the sword and the sheath have to fit perfectly, right?
37:13Yes, yes.
37:14How do you make it?
37:16I make two sheaths for this sword.
37:19White sheaths like this.
37:20White sheaths like this?
37:22And to make a sheath for painting,
37:25I shave this and mix this.
37:28You shave this?
37:30Yes.
37:31And I make a sheath like this.
37:33Do you paint on top of this?
37:35Yes.
37:36Oh, I didn't know that.
37:37Oh, I see.
37:39The sword doesn't have to be the same size.
37:42And it doesn't fit.
37:43It doesn't fit at all.
37:44The sheath is different and the width is different.
37:46The width of the original and the sheath are different.
37:48It doesn't fit at all.
37:49It doesn't fit at all.
37:51So when you do something well,
37:52it fits in the original sheath.
37:54Oh, I see.
37:55That's why it fits in the original sheath.
37:58That's what it means.
38:00That's what it means.
38:01There's only one sheath that fits.
38:02There's only one sheath that fits.
38:03It fits in the original sheath.
38:05That's what it means.
38:06I see.
38:07There's a thin line here.
38:10It's like this.
38:13It's called seppa.
38:15It's called seppa-tsumaru.
38:16Oh, seppa-tsumaru.
38:17So when you push the chambara,
38:19this part gets clogged.
38:20It's called seppa-tsumaru.
38:22And people say that the sheath doesn't fit.
38:25That's because of the sword.
38:26That's because of the sword.
38:28What about Tsubazeriai?
38:29Tsubazeriai also connects the sheath and its blades.
38:33If I wanted to cut a sword,
38:36I would put a setting on a table,
38:40and I would cut that person.
38:42There's a way to cut a sword.
38:43That's called dotan.
38:45It's the base of the sword.
38:46When I call it dotan,
38:47that's where the blade comes from.
38:48If I call it dotan baya,
38:49that's where the blade ends.
38:52The word that comes from a katana
38:54can be very vague.
38:56Yeah, that's right.
38:58I guess that's why I have a katana.
39:01It was part of your life.
39:07It feels good.
39:08It feels good to cut it.
39:10It's definitely hard.
39:11You don't say katakata?
39:13No, I don't.
39:14If I say katakata, it hurts.
39:17After this, what does Mr. Kawachi care about?
39:24I was happy when he said that.
39:27Yeah.
39:28I'm still happy.
39:33With his curiosity and vitality,
39:36he continues to make new katanas,
39:39regardless of their size and shape.
39:43This is the so-called Mr. Kawachi Kunihira.
39:47Mr. Kawachi, when you finish your work,
39:50don't you get a lot of praise from people?
39:53Not really.
39:54Not really?
39:55I'm more confident in myself.
39:57So when people ask me how long my katana is,
40:00I don't care.
40:01I don't want to make it.
40:03It's not like I'm happy because it's sold well.
40:06Then what makes you happy?
40:09When I'm working,
40:11people say that I like my job.
40:16But I think I'm happy because I like my job.
40:20Oh, I see.
40:22When I come here, I feel relaxed.
40:25You feel relaxed.
40:29I told my mom to take off her glasses.
40:34Oh, that's why your mom came.
40:36I should have told her earlier.
40:39But I'm happy because I like this place.
40:42When I come here, I feel relaxed.
40:47Don't you miss people?
40:49No, I don't.
40:51Who do I miss?
40:53My mom.
40:54Because she's here.
40:56You don't want her to go on a trip, do you?
40:58No, I don't.
41:00I'm busy.
41:02Are you grateful to her?
41:04Yes, I am.
41:06You're very grateful to her.
41:08Yes, I am.
41:09I can't live without her.
41:12I'm happy.
41:16She came all the way here.
41:18I didn't know that.
41:20I didn't know she came all the way here.
41:23I thought she was far away.
41:27She's so elegant.
41:31She's elegant.
41:33But she's still young.
41:37I can't feel her age at all.
41:40She's still young.
41:42She's stupid.
41:44Yes, she's stupid.
41:46Don't say that.
41:48Are they doing a manzai play?
41:50She's saying that herself.
41:52She's stupid.
41:57But she's young.
41:59Young people still have a lot of things they want to do.
42:02Yes, they do.
42:04They have a lot of things they have to do.
42:06They probably don't have enough time.
42:09No, no, no.
42:11They'll be cut off in the middle.
42:13Even if they're cut off,
42:15it's not enough.
42:17They can be cut off at any time.
42:19I think so, too.
42:20I thought so when I was young.
42:22What else do you want to do?
42:24I'm still in the middle.
42:26I still have a lot of things I want to do.
42:29You still have a lot of things you want to do?
42:32Yes, I do.
42:34I'm a modern man.
42:36I don't make a lot of money,
42:38but I don't drink,
42:40I don't smoke,
42:42I don't play.
42:44I don't need money.
42:46But you have a wife,
42:48and four children.
42:50You raised them, didn't you?
42:52Yes, I did.
42:54You raised them, didn't you?
42:56Yes, I did.
42:58I'm proud of my wife.
43:00I didn't raise them.
43:02No, no, no.
43:04Don't say that.
43:06That's what my wife is like.
43:08She raises them on her own.
43:10If I had a wife,
43:12I would have...
43:14If you had a wife, you'd have a baby.
43:16What are you talking about?
43:18I'm thinking about what I'm going to say.
43:20That's stupid.
43:22That's stupid.
43:24It's the other way around.
43:26Did you talk to your wife about it?
43:28Did you?
43:30No, I didn't.
43:32I was a disciple of Mr. Miyairi.
43:34At first, I was crying.
43:36I had to fix my left ear.
43:38I couldn't do my job well.
43:40I was always scolded by my father-in-law.
43:42I was always scolded by my father-in-law.
43:44I was always scolded by my father-in-law.
43:46I was always scolded by my father-in-law.
43:48I was always scolded by my father-in-law.
43:50I don't know why,
43:52but you've come a long way since you were 83.
43:54That's cool,
43:56but that's all I can do.
43:58Is that so?
44:00What do you think of yourself?
44:02What do you think of yourself?
44:04What do you think of yourself?
44:06I've always had a complex.
44:08I've always had a complex.
44:10I've always had a complex.
44:12I've always been scolded.
44:14I've always been scolded.
44:16By the way,
44:18my father-in-law used to be a rich man.
44:20My father-in-law used to be a rich man.
44:24My father-in-law and I were friends.
44:26He passed away when he was 64.
44:28He passed away when he was 64.
44:30When I was worried,
44:32he told me that he lives in Maguramoto,
44:40so he had to call Kawachi to take care of him.
44:42Then Mr. Murayama showed up
44:44so he had to call Kawachi to take care of him.
44:46He said,
44:48''You're not good at your job. You're not good at it.''
44:51He said other things, too.
44:53I was happy to hear that.
44:57I still feel that way.
44:59Nomura-san said,
45:01''You're not good at your job. You're not good at it.''
45:05I got over it.
45:07You had a complex.
45:09That's a great saying.
45:11Even now, at night,
45:15you have a lot of cotton in your nose.
45:19You look like a pig.
45:23What I like about you is that
45:26you're a first-class person.
45:28I see.
45:29That's important, too.
45:31I have a book by Denchu Hiraguchi.
45:34I have a book by Denchu Hiraguchi.
45:36I have a book by Denchu Hiraguchi.
45:37It's called ''Hiden'' by Nagaiki.
45:39It's called ''Hiden'' by Nagaiki.
45:40''You're good at your job. You're poor,
45:44but you're a first-class person.''
45:46That's what Denchu Hiraguchi said.
45:48I like that phrase.
45:50I heard it from him.
45:52He's 89 years old.
45:53I'm in my 20s.
45:55I drove my car and went around with him.
46:00I thought, ''He's not the one.''
46:03He's not the one.
46:04I met Nomura-san because he was in my family.
46:07I met Nomura-san because he was in my family.
46:10That's important.
46:12He taught me how to live.
46:15He taught me how to live.
46:17He taught me how to live.
46:18I liked that.
46:20I liked meeting Denchu-san.
46:23When Denchu-san came to work,
46:25he was a little boy.
46:28He said, ''Please protect me.''
46:31He didn't say that to me.
46:33He said, ''Please protect me.''
46:35He said, ''Please protect me.''
46:36He said, ''Please protect me.''
46:38It was funny.
46:40He said great things.
46:42He said great things.
46:44That's what training is.
46:46That's what training is.
46:47Can you remember other than Katana?
46:50He came from far away.
46:53He came from far away.
46:54He came from far away.
46:55How was it?
46:56It was worth coming.
46:58I heard it.
47:00I heard it.
47:01I heard it.
47:03I'll give you something.
47:04I don't need it.
47:05I don't need it.
47:06I don't need it.
47:07I don't need it.
47:09A year and 7 years,
47:12What day was it for you?
47:13Difficult question.
47:15If I hadn't asked,
47:17I would have been like a newspaper that
47:19''What do you say at the end?''
47:20''What do you say at the end? Katana is special to you?''
47:24I'm an assistant.
47:25I'm an assistant.
47:26I didn't ask him,
47:27and that's because I didn't know.
47:28I didn't ask him,
47:29and that's because I didn't know.
47:32He might have asked.
47:34''What is the persimmon to you?''
47:35''What is the grapefruit to you?''
47:36It's got a lot of Tomodachi thisとかを親と一緒ですとかさあだからですとかいろんなこと言うわけ
47:41あるそんな子質問するな言うていうそれ言うときはつまんない質問でした
47:46こっちから来たんですよ
47:49決まりなんですけどね
47:51シミはなかもんな話は
47:53早喋りだもん
47:56兄弟に会ったような気持ち?
47:58兄弟に会ったような気持ち?
48:00でも一週間に一回ずつ会ってるからな僕は
48:02テレビ見てるもんな
48:04そうやから別に今日初めてお会いなきいせい
48:07僕のテレビ見てないな
48:09見てないもん
48:10出てないわ
48:12出てないもん見てないもん
48:14見てないって
48:18最後に昭和の大先輩
48:21河内邦平さんからの人生の言葉
48:27できるできるできるできるできるできるできる
48:33必ずできる
48:35河内邦平
48:40次回は
48:41僕体で払いますよ
48:43先生の真っ赤な髪
48:45あれはね
48:46なべおさみさん
48:48出して大丈夫?
48:50笑って泣いて
48:52爆笑感動巨編
48:55なべちゃん
48:57負けたらあかんよ
49:03親なら誰でもする
49:06好きよもっと自由に
49:08BS12デュエル日