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00:00Who are you more comfortable giving big dough to, Jonathan Kaminga or Brock Purdy?
00:06And in breaking news that may surprise you, Dibs says Purdy, I say Jonathan Kaminga.
00:14It is shocking.
00:15It's shocking.
00:16And it all happened in our pre-show meeting when you asked me the question and I said
00:20Brock.
00:21And you went, good.
00:22And I was like, good, what?
00:25And that, oh, he must think Kaminga?
00:28Wait, what?
00:29Jonathan Kaminga.
00:30What has happened in this world where I think Brock and you think Kaminga?
00:33Not that you're down on Kaminga, you're not, and I've never been down on Brock, but you've
00:38been more of a Brockistan.
00:39And I always said that you're the president of Brockistan.
00:42Yeah, I'll take that.
00:43Exactly.
00:44We're having a meeting actually this weekend if you want to come.
00:46Okay.
00:47Yeah.
00:48In Brockistan.
00:49Exactly.
00:50I like it.
00:51Yeah, there'll be snacks.
00:52I'm sure.
00:53Yeah, it's gonna be great.
00:54I'm sure.
00:55Something you can harvest from a cornfield, no doubt.
00:56I'm gonna eat it.
00:57Yeah, well, I know he's from Arizona, but.
00:58No matter what it sounds like and no matter what all of this, I like both players.
01:04Like Brock Purdy to the 49ers right now is a lot more important than Jonathan Kaminga
01:10is to the Warriors.
01:11But that's sort of what my point is baked around.
01:16Like that's the idea.
01:18There's so much more at stake for the 49ers and they think one thing about Brock Purdy,
01:25but even I, the president of Brockistan, here's what makes me hesitant.
01:32I don't know that any of us have ever gotten to a final answer on this idea, which is how
01:40good is a quarterback versus how good are they in that moment or on that team or with
01:48that coach or in that context.
01:52And we don't have any secondary info on Brock Purdy.
01:57But here's what we do have.
01:58Jimmy Garoppolo went to a Super Bowl here and then went somewhere else and made receivers
02:04do deals on Netflix to show him that they couldn't wait to get away from him.
02:10And then Sam Darnold went to two different cities and saw ghosts and then arrived in
02:17a different city and for the majority of the year was told he was going to be the MVP of
02:21the league.
02:23So if those things can be true, you know, if Kurt Warner can be a hall of famer with
02:29the Cardinals and the Rams, but sandwiched in between can't complete a pass with the
02:33New York Giants, if those things are true, how can even I, the president of Brockistan,
02:41how can I sit here and tell you for sure, 100% that Brock is not at least somewhat buoyed
02:50by his surroundings?
02:51Well, they all are.
02:53And that's, I mean, the greatest point of all.
02:55And, you know, to think that Jonathan coming is not buoyed by his surroundings.
02:59Similarly, I think is it's not the right way to look at it because Jordan Poole has gone
03:04to Washington and he has balled out and his numbers are better than ever, but they're
03:10probably going to wind up at 20 and 62.
03:13I'm not sure where they're trending as a team, but they are terrible.
03:16So he can go there and he can play that way and he can ball out and we can all say, Oh,
03:21if they only had Jordan pool where they had Jordan pool.
03:24And for a large portion of the playoffs, when they had a run up to a title, he was unplayable
03:29because he was doing his own thing and he wasn't playing defense and the rest of it.
03:33So coming here has been really, really good.
03:37He's developed.
03:38And now when he comes back tonight here in about five short hours, he's going to be awesome.
03:43And it's going to be a slow build, but it's going to be a thing where coming is a warrior
03:48and we know how he fits and all the rest of it.
03:50So if Brock went out and was the quarterback of Carolina, for example, if they trade him
03:54to Carolina today and Carolina signs him to the biggest money in history, Brock's not
04:01going to have as good of a year.
04:02Carolina's not very good.
04:04It's an organization that's broken.
04:06They don't have weapons.
04:07They have a bad offensive line.
04:09They've got a young coaching staff.
04:10So all of these things are intertwined and interrelated.
04:13So I think for me, you look at what Brock has done here and it's been pretty great.
04:20And the coach and he seemed to be on the same page.
04:22And I know that many people will criticize him last year for not elevating the talent
04:27around him, but he wasn't really the problem last year.
04:29I agree with you.
04:31However, it appears that we're going into some uncharted waters with Brock Purdy.
04:37Are we not?
04:38In what way?
04:39Well, in this way.
04:42First of all, this year's offensive line underperformed.
04:47And I could argue that this year's offensive line, at least of today, is even thinner than
04:52it was last year.
04:53It's today.
04:54It's March.
04:55And I'm using your own words.
04:58It's a total reverse show today, but like here, I should do it backwards.
05:01Should I just turn around the other way?
05:03You should, because you're saying exactly everything I've said all week.
05:05No, but you said it in a different way.
05:07You said that they're weaker.
05:09I use the word thinner because I'm just talking about people.
05:13There are fewer people.
05:15I still would not have given Aaron Banks 77 million freaking dollars.
05:20That's an easy decision if you ask me.
05:22But my point is Brock Purdy, all of the phenomenal stuff that he's done was always with a healthy
05:30Christian McCaffrey, right?
05:32Will he ever have that again?
05:34I don't know.
05:36Everything that he's done really well, always with a healthy Brandon Iuke.
05:41Will he ever have that again?
05:42I don't know.
05:44Always with Debo Samuel on the team.
05:47Will he ever have that again?
05:48No.
05:49No, he will never have that again.
05:53Trent Williams is now going to be, what, 37?
05:57As opposed to 34 when Brock started playing.
06:03Again, I'm still not crying that much about the people who have been let go, but today
06:10it is simply by name, value, and girth, it's a different football team that Brock Purdy's
06:17got to run.
06:18T.J.
06:19Hushman's out of yesterday.
06:20Look at what happened last year.
06:21You lost some players.
06:22You're one and six against teams with a winning record.
06:25I can't just completely dismiss that even if they're not my numbers.
06:32Again, my response is baked into the idea that there is so much more being asked of
06:38Brock Purdy.
06:39Like, imagine if what was happening tonight was happening on the football field.
06:45What if Brock Purdy were returning to play after missing 31 games?
06:52Right as-
06:53Which would have been about six games in the NFL.
06:55Right.
06:56Maybe seven.
06:57Okay.
06:58During those seven games, they went six and one.
06:59Okay, but if-
07:00It was a backup.
07:0130 games in the NBA equals how many games in the NFL?
07:04Thirty games in the NBA is about three-eighths, which is about, you know, it's about five
07:09games in the NFL.
07:10Six games.
07:11No, but 17.
07:1217 NBA games is how many NFL games?
07:14Two?
07:15Yeah.
07:16All right.
07:17Yeah.
07:18So you're coming back after missing six games, and we've got two games of Brock Purdy to
07:23decide if you want an extension, and oh, by the way, in the six games that you missed,
07:28you want them all.
07:29Yep.
07:31You want them all by a lot.
07:32It looked really impressive.
07:33You beat some impressive competition.
07:35You beat some poor competition.
07:37Think about what we'd be talking about today.
07:40Nothing else.
07:41Nothing else.
07:42But Kaminga's not Brock Purdy.
07:43Right.
07:44That's my point.
07:45Kaminga is probably, you know, Aaron Banks.
07:46Kaminga is-
07:47Oh, wow.
07:48Well, I mean, Kaminga's not- Kaminga's your fourth most important player on this team
07:54right now?
07:55Fourth.
07:56I mean, he's not Jimmy.
07:57He's not Draymond.
07:58He's not Steph.
07:59He's no higher than that, for sure.
08:01If you extrapolate that to the NFL, that would mean he's probably your 10th most important
08:04player.
08:05So he's not Fred or George or Nick or Trent or Brock or Christian.
08:10You know, he's more of a secondary piece.
08:12But I get your analogy, and you're not wrong about, like, what you have to decide upon,
08:18but for me, the quarterback is such a massive thing, and if you found a guy that you think
08:24is good enough to be your quarterback, and I do, I think so, and I know you think so-
08:29So do I.
08:30And they all think so, so now it just becomes, how do we make this happen?
08:35And if you- and I'm thinking about, like, if you don't extend Brock.
08:39And let's just say it's an impasse, and you don't extend Brock.
08:44Now Brock's gonna hold out, and the rest of it.
08:46So now you're gonna go into this season with Mack Jones.
08:48You're gonna have Mack Jones, and Ricky Pearsall, and Cowing, and George Kittle, and Gerendo,
08:56and now it's gonna be into a full on rebuild.
08:58Rebuild. Well, I mean again, I don't I don't think the word rebuild is accurate here, but there are weird things happening
09:06I don't know if you saw did you see a half-hour ago? They released another player which one?
09:11Tabor pepper. Oh, well, I mean, yeah, they released the flippin long snapper. Yeah, he had to go
09:17I mean do you want to know Shanahan signaled that when he said well Tabor was out of line
09:22Do you want to know what was due to him?
09:24And do you want to know what the dead money is for Tabor pepper?
09:27You know the Niners just bill. Yeah money. Ready? What'd you get? Take a guess? He was probably do about
09:34800 grand and the dead cap hits about half of that. Um, you're too high
09:39Which is something that has been said to you before. Yeah
09:43How long has it been since somebody's looked you in the eyes?
09:46Years, bro. It's been years. Your boy's been off the lettuce for man three years at least
09:53Is that all?
09:55Yeah, you have no idea. No, I don't you have no idea the run
10:00I'm talking about decades. I was the freaking green brochure, bro
10:0653 just pounded it. I mean, no, you don't like first of all, you don't run around and second of all, you don't pound it
10:11Act like you've gotten high before
10:14It's been about 30 years. Yeah, you are. I mean sometimes you know, you might as well be in purple
10:21Sacramento you are a door. I'm trying to radio up the terminology here
10:26It's 244 people might be on their way home from school day on a minimum day and
10:3244 is not a minimum day little man gets out at 235. Well, it's drive home from school hour
10:38First of all, it's legal second of all half of the power when you were doing it
10:42It was yeah, you're damn right. It wasn't used to have to meet a guy in the corner. Am I right?
10:47The you kids have no idea how easy you have it and your kids could actually roll up and you know
10:54And get get the lettuce on their own now. They could yeah, but they don't
11:01Anyway, anyway, I was too high with Tabor pepper apparently Tabor and I do I Tabor
11:07Tabor's cutting is going to save the 49ers 1.4 3 million dollars against the cap and the dead money is
11:14150 thousand dollars. Okay, so they didn't want to pay 1.4 for the long snapper, right?
11:21So now you need another long snapper. That's what I'm saying
11:24So now you're gonna get a long snapper in and pay him about half of that. Yeah
11:28I mean did Farhan move to Santa Clara? I still I'm not
11:33I'm still not convinced that that's what's happening
11:36I don't I don't like it right now when I'm hearing all the 49ers are being cheap and they're saving money
11:41They're not saving money. They're not saying they're literally spending money on nothing and they're and they damn well know they're gonna have to replace it
11:48Well, that's a savings because they're not gonna pay their next long snapper 1.4. I don't know what the hell they're gonna do
11:54They need a new long snapper, right? Obviously, they've got 11 picks that they're gonna have to pay
11:58I'm sure there will be other free agent signings
12:01Are the 49ers are not gonna just go into this year being like so we're gonna be the lowest spending team in the league
12:06I get that they're trying to save cash
12:09Which means fewer large signing bonuses, although I do know one guy who's probably gonna get one pretty soon
12:14He wears number 13, but outside of that look at you with the numbers. Yeah. Thank you
12:18I like I do I get that what they're doing maybe has a cash savings
12:23but when we start calling the 49ers the
12:28the Farhan Ian's when we start doing that the implication is is that you're actually
12:35Lowering your payroll and I don't think the 49ers are necessarily gonna do that at all
12:41like it's a hard cap league and most of the teams are all in the same neighborhood as
12:47Far as their payroll on a week-by-week basis for football players
12:53Right, so I don't understand the whole the Niners are being cheap thing
12:58They're restructuring. They're rebooting right their finances
13:03I don't think that they're like
13:05Pocketing money and going on a vacation together agreed
13:08But what you're doing is you're taking you know players on your roster and you're deciding that you don't want to pay them
13:16And I'm not sure who your new long snapper will be and part of this might be
13:19You got a new special teams coordinator and he might have his own long snapper that he prefers
13:24And this is such a niche position that the long snapper is out there for
13:29About eight to ten plays a game depending on how many times you punt it's punts field goals and PATs and that's about it and
13:37You know, Brian Jennings was their long snapper for a long time
13:40I think he's actually on the wall down there as a
13:42Ten-year Niner and Tabor pepper was there for five years and so you don't normally change out this position
13:48So this one for me doesn't wholly feel like a financial move because yeah, you're bringing a new long snapper
13:55You're probably gonna pay him
13:57Whatever the minimum is I mean, maybe they don't or 500 grand. It doesn't matter
14:01Maybe they want a long snapper is not gonna yell at star wide receivers. I don't know, right?
14:05I don't know. No, that could be I don't know if that's because I'm in the head coach said that Tabor pepper overreact
14:12Overreacted his work, which I saw it a little bit differently
14:14I did I was not on the sidelines
14:16So I'm not I'm not here to say if they really wanted him out at that point
14:21They would have cut him on the spot. I'm laughing because I just looked at our call screen. We got to go to this guy
14:26Let's go to Pete. You know what city he's in
14:29No
14:30Brockistan, I love it. It's Pete in Brockistan. Hi Pete. Thanks for calling. How's the weather out there?
14:38Hey
14:40Clear out here. It's beautiful
14:43Thank you gentlemen, I want to thank you gentlemen for what is obviously a sincere and heartfelt discussion
14:50I moved recently from Jonathan build a Brockistan
14:55But I do have one more remark, what is it and that's about that it's about the looming
15:02decision in position of
15:04onerous tariffs
15:06Thank you
15:08Okay. All right, Pete. Thank you very much
15:11I didn't that one owner is Tara. No, I get it. I get it
15:16I got it didn't go over my head it but I kind of wanted it to right? Yeah, I I mean, what are we doing here?
15:23Yeah, so I don't think that they're necessarily being cheap
15:28They're not being cheap
15:29I do think about the idea of Super Bowl or bust from last year because this to me is kind of
15:35What a bust looks like because they are busting it up and I'm not just saying Tabor pepper
15:39But you look at all of the names of players that no longer will be here
15:44and you're gonna have I think they went into the offseason with 30 some-odd free agents and
15:49The majority of them are going to be gone so you're gonna have a completely new team next year
15:54Does it mean you'll be better or worse or the same?
15:57Well, we don't really know all I know is that you have players that you drafted that you chose not to
16:04Sign new extensions and Aaron Banks maybe was too pricey and Jalen Moore your swing tackle
16:09You didn't maybe value him the way, Kansas City did but other players that were on your team are not on your team anymore
16:16And for me, that's just kind of jarring
16:18well
16:19Let me add this into the conversation too because a lot of this is born out of the fact that the 49ers
16:25Signed Mac Jones late yesterday. And first I'd like to ask the 49ers to stop doing all of their business at 7 o'clock at night
16:32I think it's shady
16:34And it makes me know honestly, I I don't mean that as a joke like we want it for our show
16:40Well, it's not just that we want it for our show. I believe and maybe I'm wrong on this
16:45So maybe I'm being naive, but I think that teams know exactly when they release information
16:52They know they know when they'd like again
16:55They don't this isn't just willy-nilly like oops Adam Schefter tripped and fell into information and decided to tweet it
17:02somebody told him and
17:03They keep doing things at night and on the weekend, which tells me that they're worried
17:09To a certain degree about the PR that's around things and and there is a PR hit that's happening right now with the 49ers
17:17They may be sitting in a room going dude. We know exactly what we're doing
17:22And I actually believe that it's why I told you at the beginning of the week
17:25I still give them the benefit of the doubt these people didn't become stupid overnight
17:30They're a very good regime
17:32Despite what a lot of people say about them. They've been wildly successful
17:36They're very good football people who would get hired in ten seconds by another team if they were available
17:42They didn't get stupid overnight. They didn't get cheap overnight. They didn't get nefarious overnight
17:48They're not messing with you on purpose. They have some sort of a plan
17:53We don't know what it is yet. And in this particular moment
17:58It feels awful
18:00It feels awful
18:01but the reason I know that the fan base is looking at this and sort of is in this nefarious mood or like this sneaky
18:09Mood is Mac Jones gets signed yesterday and a lot of people believe that that's got something to do in terms of a message
18:17That's being sent to Brock Purdy. I don't believe that at all and I could be wrong
18:21I think that the 49ers signed a backup quarterback because one was available who actually
18:27Performed pretty well as a backup last year. Yeah, he's been fine
18:31He's been a fine quarterback and you know
18:34My whole thing is, you know
18:35Stiney was talking earlier about what did it make you think about first and the first thing I thought of is
18:40Well, if you liked him, why didn't you draft him instead of wasting three first-round picks to move up?
18:45Why didn't you just draft him back when you really liked him?
18:48And so we'll never find out exactly what went on
18:51With that draft when they moved up to get Trey Lance and all the smoke was that they liked Mac Jones and you know
18:58Even Michael Silver Mac Jones and all the other reporters. It was Mac Jones. It was Mac Jones and then within the final day or so
19:06Like there was starting to be rumblings of maybe it's somebody else and then they
19:10Swoop up to three and they get Trey Lance and it turns out to be a disaster if you liked him
19:15Then will you like him now as your backup if you liked him then why didn't you just draft him then?
19:20Okay that to me that that's an interesting way to look at it because what and this will be uncomfortable
19:24But allow me to do this with you for a second. Do you like me as a radio partner? Sure. Okay. Sure. You won't marry me
19:31No, not really. So I mean four hours a day is enough. You're talking about two totally different roles if
19:37you like Mac Jones as
19:40a backup
19:41That does not mean you make him a first-round pick three years ago to be your franchise
19:46Starting quarterback and pay millions and millions of dollars
19:49But it was clear that somebody in the organization liked him then and somebody in the organization likes him
19:54I don't know if anything was clear about what people thought about those quarterbacks in that draft years ago
19:59I don't know
20:00I like I know we've I know we're heading for the hills with all of our opinions about how it all went down, right?
20:05I don't I mean I know people who are high high up in NFL info circles still fighting about that
20:12About whether Kyle was picking Mac or not because a lot of people ended up with egg on their face, you know
20:17Because they came out on Twitter and they're like, it's Mac Jones
20:20Yeah in Mac Jones, and then it was like it didn't happen and they're like well
20:24It was Mac Jones and here's what it well did that happen or were you just wrong? You know, I mean
20:28Well, they were wrong, but turns out who was wrong was the 49ers
20:33Well, that's you moved up to draft a guy who and I was looking at reports earlier today
20:38He's getting no free agent interest Trey Lantz poor guy
20:41It's probably over for Trey unless he wants to go play in one of these spring leagues or go to Canada or something
20:47His NFL career is probably over and never even started you went wildly out of your way to
20:52Trade picks to move up to get him and he is a bust
20:56Yeah, so they were wrong, but they wouldn't have been that much more right to drop back Jones
21:00So but you would have had two other first-round picks and that's that's the part that I get stuck on as we look at this
21:06You look at this year and you've got a depth issue and even last year I said it before the year
21:11I said I like the roster up top
21:13But they have depth problems and then now you get to this year and you've had to part with a lot of people because you
21:18Don't want to pay him what the market says they're worth and that's fine your choice, but you don't have that
21:25drafted talent behind him guys who you could have fill in
21:29Because you gave up two first-round picks and the drafts you've had other than last year have been patently bad
21:35Yeah, no, I I don't argue any of that. I just don't think a signing yesterday has anything to do with
21:41Liking him so much to make him a top half of the first round pick a few years back
21:46You're certainly not wrong that it was a disaster of a transaction for the 49ers