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00:00Even though it was a coincidental victory, the defeat was inevitable.
00:08How did the foreigners, who had colored the history of Japan, lose?
00:13What were the causes and mistakes behind it?
00:19This time, we will unravel the defeat of Eikei Ankokuji, who was the prime minister of the Mori family during the Sengoku period.
00:28A special ability that was also appreciated by Toyotomi Hideyoshi, the emperor.
00:34The reason why the victory of the West Army was inevitable even though it was a decisive battle for the whole country.
00:45The philosophy of life learned from the failures of the defeated.
00:53The Lessons from the Defeat of Foreigners
01:03What do we learn from the failures of the foreigners in history?
01:10I'm Yuri Nakanishi, voice of Shinko, and I'm Jun Ito, a historian.
01:19Last time, we focused on the defeat of the Imagawa family's military commander, Taigen Sessai.
01:25I thought it was interesting that the Sengoku Daimyo, who was active in the battlefield, had a deep relationship with the monk who was supposed to be on the path of the Buddha.
01:35The relationship between the people of the country, the Daimyo and the foreigners, and religion is complicated.
01:40First of all, there are people like Shingen Takeda and Kenshin Uesugi, who protect their own homes and build a good relationship by following the religion.
01:52On the other hand, there are people like Nobunaga, who became the emperor, and Hongwanji, who completely opposed him.
02:02The Sengoku Daimyo, the Sengoku Bussho, and the Buddhists also depend on their worship and their affiliation.
02:11Therefore, it was necessary to make a very careful decision.
02:15This time, I would like to focus on the defeat of Ekei Ankokuji, who was active as a foreign minister of the Mori family.
02:26Among the works you have written, there are many works that are based on the battle of Sekigahara.
02:33What kind of person do you think Ekei, who participated as a member of the Seigun, is?
02:40In a word, he is a person who has a good brain, a good sense of direction, and an excellent ability to analyze information.
02:45He is a person who can make the right decision on everything.
02:49In particular, he was good at human observation, which saw the future of the other party.
02:54In general, he is often said to be a bad guy.
02:59In the Edo period, it was a time when Ieyasu was to be promulgated.
03:05There were many military figures who portrayed Mitsunari Ishida and Ekei Ankokuji as indiscriminate people.
03:12The image at that time was still popular to this day.
03:16However, if you look at the temporary data, you can see that Ekei has a completely different appearance.
03:23This time, we will explore the teachings of Ekei Ankokuji through the reason for his defeat.
03:30First, please take a look at what kind of person Ekei Ankokuji was.
03:38Ekei Ankokuji, who was active as a member of the Mori family during the Sengoku period,
03:44is thought to have been born in the western part of the present-day Hiroshima, the country of autumn, as a descendant of Takedashi Kai around 1538.
04:01When he was a child, Takedashi Aki was killed by Motonari Mori,
04:07and Ekei Ankokuji was exiled to the present-day Fudoin and raised as a monk.
04:16After that, at the age of ten and a half, he was ordered by Jikun Eshin, the Kousou of Tofukuji in Kyoto.
04:25And because this Eshin had a connection with the Mori family,
04:31Ekei Ankokuji was able to serve the Mori family, which had destroyed his own clan.
04:41Ekei Ankokuji, who became a Mori Kashin, is known as the Gai Kousou, who negotiates with the enemies.
04:50When Tenkabito Oda Nobunaga exiled Ashikaga Yoshiaki, the 15th Shogun of the Muromachi Shogunate,
04:58Ekei Ankokuji represents the Mori family and participates in the negotiations.
05:06Also, when the Mori and Oda armies fought at Bicchu Takamatsu Castle,
05:12he served as a negotiator for Hashiba Hideyoshi.
05:18After that, when the Shogun Mori Terumoto invaded Hideyoshi,
05:23Ekei Ankokuji joined the Oda army and contributed to the unification of Hideyoshi's country.
05:33Furthermore, he also participated in the war in Bunroku and Keicho,
05:37and was reported to have made great achievements as a military commander.
05:43In 1598, when Hideyoshi was exiled and Tokugawa Ieyasu was about to take over the country,
05:51Ekei Ankokuji, along with Mitsunari Ishida, raised a curse against Ieyasu.
05:59However, the day before the battle at Sekigahara,
06:03Mori Terumoto, the commander-in-chief of the Seikun army,
06:07did not inform Ekei Ankokuji, and joined the war with Ieyasu.
06:14It was the moment of Ekei Ankokuji's defeat.
06:19Because both families joined the war,
06:21Mori Terumoto, who started Ekei Ankokuji,
06:24could not mobilize his army at the main battle at Sekigahara,
06:28and invited the defeat of the Seikun army.
06:33Why did Ekei Ankokuji end up being betrayed by the Seikun army?
06:39In this episode, we take a closer look at Ekei Ankokuji's defeat,
06:43who lost the war without fighting.
06:48Now, let's take a look at the main events of Ekei Ankokuji's life.
06:53What kind of family was the root of Ekei, Aki Takedashi?
06:58Actually, it was the same root as Kai Takedashi.
07:01So, if he hadn't been killed, he would have lived as a samurai?
07:05Yes, he would have lived as a samurai.
07:08But why did Ekei Ankokuji end up serving Mori Terumoto,
07:11who was his father's enemy?
07:14There are many reasons for this.
07:16When Ekei was 15 years old,
07:18a man named Jikun Eshin came from Tofukuji, Kyoto.
07:24Eshin was from the country of Izumo.
07:28He was a member of a clan called Morimoto.
07:32Eshin was a member of the Tofukuji Jujutsu.
07:35He was a high-ranking official,
07:38who was also a member of the Imperial Court.
07:41Ekei was a member of the Tofukuji Jujutsu.
07:44He was a member of the Kyoto School of Jujutsu.
07:47Ekei was a member of the Jujutsu,
07:50which was the main branch of the Tofukuji.
07:53Ekei was also a member of the Jujutsu.
07:56He was the first member of the Jujutsu
07:59to be appointed to the Supreme Buddhist Council.
08:02He was a member of the Jujutsu.
08:05Takamoto, Ekei's eldest son,
08:08was also a member of the Jujutsu.
08:11Ekei was a member of the Jujutsu,
08:14and was a member of the Jujutsu,
08:17as well as a member of the Imperial Court.
08:20What kind of work did Ekei do?
08:23He was a member of the Jujutsu,
08:26and was involved in negotiations with the Takeda.
08:29He was also involved in military affairs,
08:32and was involved in negotiations with the Takeda.
08:35He was also involved in the execution of the Shiro and Jin Shos,
08:38and was also involved in the Shido of the Sougoku Prefecture.
08:41He was involved in a variety of roles.
08:44He was also involved in the Shido of the Sougoku Prefecture.
08:47Ekei was a member of the Jujutsu.
08:50When Takagai Kobayakawa was about to retire,
08:53Ekei appeared as a convenient person.
08:56Terumoto, who was a member of the Jujutsu,
08:59was involved in various roles.
09:02He was involved in the Jujutsu.
09:05Ekei was a member of the Jujutsu.
09:08Ekei was a member of the Jujutsu.
09:11Ekei was a member of the Jujutsu.
09:14The Jujutsu was soon noticed by the emperor Hideyoshi.
09:17The Jujutsu was soon noticed by the emperor Hideyoshi.
09:20Please watch Ekei's journey to survive the war.
09:23Please watch Ekei's journey to survive the war.
09:26Ekei was killed by Mōri Motonari,
09:29who was expanding his power in the Chinese region.
09:32Ekei was killed by Mōri Motonari,
09:35who was expanding his power in the Chinese region.
09:38What kind of teachings did Ekei receive?
09:41What kind of teachings did Ekei receive?
09:44Ekei studied at the current Fudoin,
09:47which is a Kondo school designated by the Japanese law.
09:50which is a Kondo school designated by the Japanese law.
09:53Asou, who was the vice-governor,
09:56speculates that Ekei was a smart and smart child.
09:59Asou, who was the vice-governor,
10:02speculates that Ekei was a smart and smart child.
10:05Asou, who was the vice-governor,
10:08taught Ekei how to improve his self-confidence.
10:11taught Ekei how to improve his self-confidence.
10:14taught Ekei how to improve his self-confidence.
10:17After more than ten years,
10:20Ekei was passionate about Budo training.
10:23Suddenly, the turning point of his life came.
10:26Suddenly, the turning point of his life came.
10:29He met Jikun Gesshin,
10:32the Kōsō of Tofukuji in Kyoto.
10:36I met Jikun Gesshin in Kyoto
10:38I met Jikun Gesshin in Kyoto
10:39so that I could improve my self-confidence.
10:42so that I could improve my self-confidence.
10:45So I met Jikun Gesshin in Kyoto
10:47so that I could improve my self-confidence.
10:51Ekei was fascinated by Jikun Gesshin's ways of life.
10:59His words have no doubt as to what to believe.
11:03Since the Eshin had ties to the Mōri family, the Ekei was able to serve the Mōri family.
11:13During the Sengoku period, the Sōryō were able to freely move around the land as neutral beings.
11:25The Ekei was able to negotiate peace with the Mōri family.
11:35However, for the Ekei, the Mōri family was their revenge.
11:42Did they have any resistance?
11:47I think that the Ekei had a mission to abandon the history of the Mōri family and create peace for the future generations.
11:57I think that by firmly supporting the Mōri family, the Ekei was able to achieve peace in China.
12:07Mr. Mitsunari, the first person to study the history of the Mōri family, said that for the Mōri family, the Ekei had something to look forward to.
12:19The Mōri family is different from other shugo-daimyō.
12:23Compared to shugo-daimyō, the Mōri family's status as a shugo-daimyō is much lower.
12:29Therefore, the Ekei needed a connection with China.
12:34The Ekei used the knowledge and education he had gained at the temple in Kyoto,
12:39as well as the connections he had built during his training years, to polish his skills as a shugo-daimyō.
12:47In 1573, when the Ekei was in his mid-thirties, he was entrusted with his first major task.
12:59At the time, Yoshiyaki Ashikaga, the shogun who was exiled to Kyoto by Nobunaga,
13:05used the power of Terumoto, who was proud of his power in the Saigoku period,
13:10and was planning to restore the Ekei.
13:16However, since the Mōri family had an alliance with the Oda family,
13:21Terumoto was not satisfied with Yoshiyaki's desire, and decided to make the two of them enlist.
13:31And the Ekei was ordered to represent the Mōri family and take the seat of enlistment negotiations.
13:41However, since Yoshiyaki asked Nobunaga for an enlistment,
13:48Hideyoshi, who had served as the head of the Oda family, was furious, and the negotiations were terminated.
14:00Seeing Nobunaga's attitude as a representative, the Ekei immediately saw through Hideyoshi's plan.
14:12This man is no ordinary man.
14:17After the negotiations, a report from the Ekei to the head of the Mōri family was left at the Kikkawa Library in Iwakuni City, Yamaguchi Prefecture.
14:29Mr. Harada, a graduate student, explained it to me.
14:35It is written in the Ankoku Jikū that Nobunaga will be exiled in 5 or 3 years.
14:45It is a book that predicts that Hideyoshi will be the next leader of the Nobunaga family.
14:55I felt that Hideyoshi is a different kind of man than Nobunaga.
15:03After the negotiations between the Oda family and Yoshiyaki were terminated, the Ekei told Yoshiyaki about Terumoto's intentions to prevent the worst from happening.
15:16I will ask the Mōri family not to exile him.
15:24However, three years later, Yoshiyaki moved to the land of the Mōri family together with Bingo.
15:35In order to avoid confrontation with the Oda family, the Ekei told Terumoto.
15:43I think we should strengthen our ties with Nobunaga.
15:50However, Terumoto did not give up.
15:54Terumoto came to me without consulting me in advance.
15:59If I accepted him or not, I would have to capture Yoshiyaki and hand him over to Nobunaga.
16:08I couldn't do that, so I accepted him.
16:15Terumoto protected Yoshiyaki, and Nobunaga was able to defeat the Mōri army.
16:23What I feared was...
16:27Hideyoshi, who was the prime minister of the Oda army, was furious.
16:32The Mōri family was cornered.
16:35What should we do, Ekei?
16:45To be continued...
17:15To be continued...
17:45To be continued...
17:59Ekei sought the permission of his superior, Shimizu Muneharu.
18:05However, Hideyoshi did not give up.
18:08He asked for permission from other countries.
18:13Yasaki, who was trying to find a way out,
18:20suddenly lost Nobunaga.
18:27Hideyoshi, who wanted to listen to him and negotiate with him,
18:31accepted Ekei's offer because he knew it would be better for him to leave the country.
18:40It is said that Hideyoshi was the only one who knew about Nobunaga's death,
18:46but Mitsunari said that Ekei might have known about it, too.
18:53When I thought about the relationship between Ekei and Hideyoshi,
18:56I thought that it would be better for him to tell the truth than to lie.
19:05Hideyoshi also thought that it would be impossible to continue the war.
19:14Ekei negotiated to minimize the loss of the Mōri family,
19:21but his superior, Shimizu Muneharu, did not grant his request.
19:31Tanaka, the director of the Bicchu Takamatsu Jōshi Museum, said that
19:36Muneharu's and Ekei's feelings for Hideyoshi were mutual.
19:43Ekei did his best for the Mōri family,
19:51so I felt that their feelings were not the same.
19:58After the death of Muneharu, Ekei was very considerate of Shimizu.
20:08Ekei agreed to negotiate with Hideyoshi,
20:12but Terumoto did not want to participate in the war.
20:21In the meantime, Hideyoshi was rapidly expanding his power as a successor of Nobunaga,
20:28such as defeating Akechi Mitsuhide in the battle of Yamazaki.
20:35Considering the situation, Ekei said that Terumoto was a new weapon for Hideyoshi.
20:45The expansion of the Mōri territory meant that Hideyoshi would be able to cooperate with Hideyoshi.
20:55I think that was the reason.
20:58Ekei became Hideyoshi's successor.
21:05Mr. Hori, who is familiar with the situation at the end of the Sengoku period,
21:09speculated that Ekei had acquired another ability from Hideyoshi.
21:17Hideyoshi was not a person waiting for instructions.
21:20He thought that Nobunaga was probably thinking this way.
21:24In a good way, he could predict the future,
21:27but in a bad way, he could avoid it.
21:32Ekei felt the same way.
21:35Maybe they had the same sense of smell since they met.
21:40Eventually, Ekei became a military commander
21:44and began to lead the army on the battlefield.
21:53A big trigger was the death of Motoharu Kikkawa.
21:58Takakagi Sayakawa was moved to Kyushu as an independent representative.
22:06So, Ekei lost his military command in the Mōri city.
22:10Then, Ekei needed a person to gather the other vassals.
22:16That's when Ekei became popular.
22:21Ekei served as a member of the Mōri army in the Korean peninsula.
22:30Not only did he lead the army,
22:32but he also managed the prison and taught Japanese to the local people.
22:40By cooperating with the Toyotomi regime,
22:43he tried to increase the value of the Mōri family.
22:50However, Toyotomi regime betrayed Ekei.
22:58Ekei had to face a new challenge.
23:05I heard that Ekei was active as a diplomat,
23:09but I didn't know that he served in the Korean peninsula.
23:13I was quite surprised.
23:15Yes, he served twice.
23:17Ekei also taught Japanese in the Korean peninsula.
23:21Ekei thought that Hideyoshi was going to occupy Japan for a long time.
23:29I heard that Ekei knew a lot about Honnoji during the reign of Takamatsu.
23:36What do you think about this?
23:38I think Ekei knew a lot about Honnoji.
23:42Why didn't Ekei pursue Honnoji?
23:46At that time, the Mōri family was very weak.
23:51The power of the Mōri family was weak,
23:56so Ekei couldn't pursue Honnoji.
24:03But Ekei knew about Hideyoshi's future.
24:08I think Ekei entrusted the country to Hideyoshi.
24:13Before he died, he told his grandchildren not to threaten the country.
24:22So Ekei didn't want the Mōri family to take the country.
24:28He wanted to entrust the country to someone else.
24:32I think that was Hideyoshi.
24:37What role did Ekei want Hideyoshi to play?
24:46He wanted to entrust the country to the Mōri family.
24:51So Hideyoshi wanted to take the country,
24:54and the Mōri family would have as much power as possible.
24:59After Hideyoshi's death, Ekei was said to have become a Daimyo.
25:05Recently, there is a theory that Ekei is a Daimyo.
25:10There is a record of the destruction of the Daimyo.
25:13It is said that Ekei was the Daimyo of 60,000 countries.
25:16So Ekei was said to be the Daimyo of 60,000 countries.
25:20There is also a record of the history of the Sanyō Sanyin.
25:24It is said that Ekei had a territory of 23,000 countries.
25:29So Ekei was also a Daimyo.
25:31However, both of these countries were divided by the Kōsei,
25:35so we can't rely on hearsay.
25:38Recently, research has progressed.
25:41Currently, there are 11,500 countries,
25:44which is the number of Ankokuji.
25:47This is the legend.
25:49So Ekei didn't become a Daimyo.
25:52It was a territory he had as a temple.
25:55But strictly speaking, Ekei is not the Daimyo.
25:58So there is a resistance to calling Ekei a Daimyo.
26:01In order to advance negotiations,
26:04it is important to grasp the situation accurately
26:07and consider the position of the other party.
26:10If you just push your own demands,
26:13it won't work.
26:20When Hideyoshi died and the Toyotomi Seiken split up,
26:23Ekei desperately moved for the survival of the Mōri family.
26:27However, an unexpected ending awaited.
26:30The countdown to defeat began.
26:35In 1600, Ieyasu was planning to subdue Uesugi Kagekatsu,
26:39one of the five Tairo,
26:42in order to seize the leadership of the Toyotomi Seiken.
26:45Ekei tried to follow his plan.
26:50However, Terumoto, the leader,
26:53found danger in Ieyasu's actions.
26:58In the end, Ieyasu crushed the five Tairo one by one.
27:04He defeated Maedake in the previous year.
27:07Then he defeated Uesugi.
27:10Obviously, he was the next target.
27:13If he didn't stand up,
27:16the next target would be the Mōri.
27:20Terumoto thought it was time for Ieyasu to open Osaka Castle
27:23and go to Aizu.
27:29Ekei decided to follow his leader's order.
27:35I will do my best to protect the Mōri family.
27:39I will do my best to protect the Mōri family.
27:45Ekei turned to Mitsunari Nishida,
27:48who was living in Sawayama Castle in Ōmi.
27:51He encouraged Ekei along with Yoshitsugu Ōtani.
27:59Ekei worked for the Toyotomi Seiken,
28:02so that Terumoto could take over Ieyasu's position.
28:06Terumoto accepted Ekei's offer.
28:11Terumoto followed Ekei's lead
28:14and went to the east of Setanai Kai
28:17and entered Osaka Castle.
28:22However, there was a person who was in danger.
28:29It was Hiroie Kikkawa,
28:32the head of the Mōri family.
28:36Because of Hiroie's strategy,
28:39Ekei was driven into a dead end.
28:48Hiroie Kikkawa, the head of the Mōri family,
28:53was in danger because Mōri showed a confrontation stance with Tokugawa.
28:58He hurriedly sent a letter to Ieyasu.
29:07Hearing Nishida and Ōtani's strategy,
29:10Ekei was surprised.
29:12Ekei had no other choice
29:15but to follow Terumoto's orders.
29:18Terumoto didn't know what was going on.
29:23Hiroie Kikkawa, the head of the Mōri family,
29:26was determined to protect the Mōri family.
29:29He had a strong feeling that
29:32he had to protect the Mōri family.
29:40On August 1st,
29:42when Seigun Shōshō won the battle of Fushimi Castle,
29:46Ekei followed Terumoto's orders
29:49and advanced to Issei and Hei.
29:53Then, he liberated Anos Castle,
29:56which was located in Tsushi, Mie Prefecture.
30:01How far would he fight?
30:04Would he take Ieyasu's head?
30:07Did he think that far?
30:10Terumoto didn't think that far.
30:13I think Ekei felt the same way.
30:17In the end, he went out
30:20and negotiated with Ieyasu.
30:23He was determined to win the battle of Mōri.
30:28What did Ieyasu think of Ekei?
30:33Ieyasu thought Ekei was a tough opponent.
30:38If he defeated Ekei,
30:41Mōri would be a strong opponent.
30:46At that time,
30:48a letter from Tokugawa Kata arrived at Hiroie.
30:53This time,
30:55Terumoto didn't know about it,
30:58so Ieyasu thought Ekei was a spy.
31:04As Hiroie said,
31:07Ieyasu accepted that Ekei was the one who killed Kekki.
31:12But Ekei didn't know that.
31:23On September 7,
31:25Mōri's army, including Ekei,
31:28landed at Nangū-san in Sekigahara.
31:33On the other hand,
31:35Ieyasu was in contact with the commander-in-chief of the Western Army.
31:39He was working in secret.
31:43I think Terumoto knew that
31:46Hiroie was going to betray him.
31:50At some point, Ekei realized it.
31:55But Ekei didn't stop him.
31:59Because Terumoto saw it.
32:04I think it was like Terumoto.
32:07I think he had a plan.
32:10He didn't care if he fell.
32:13September 14
32:18On September 14,
32:20Hiroie received a letter from the commander-in-chief of the Western Army.
32:28Ieyasu won't let Terumoto down.
32:32Ryōgoku will be at peace.
32:36Terumoto accepted the letter and formed an alliance with Ieyasu.
32:43Ekei, who was in close combat,
32:46never received an order from Terumoto to move.
32:54Ekei was unexpectedly defeated.
32:59Originally, I wanted to fight
33:02and bring Terumoto to a place like Hitotairō in the Toyotomi Regime.
33:09That's what I was thinking.
33:12I was frustrated.
33:18The next day, there was a fierce battle at Sekigahara.
33:22But the Western Army was determined to win.
33:28Mōri Army, which started with Ekei,
33:31was defeated without attacking the Eastern Army.
33:36What did Ekei lack?
33:41If we wanted to achieve our original goal,
33:45we had to persuade Terumoto to lead us to the front line.
33:50We had to do that.
33:53But we didn't do that.
33:56I think that's why we lost.
34:00Ekei was forced to take responsibility for the defeat.
34:10As a result, Ekei was covered in mud.
34:17Ekei was aiming to conquer the country.
34:22If a large number of Mōri Army were defeated,
34:26Ekei would return the favor.
34:29So Ekei knew that a large number of Mōri Army would join the Eastern Army.
34:34But on the day of the battle at Sekigahara,
34:38Ekei didn't think that a large number of Mōri Army would fight.
34:45It was unexpected.
34:49Ekei thought that
34:51in order to protect the country,
34:54he had to maintain the Toyotomi regime.
34:57That's what he thought from the bottom of his heart.
35:00In order to stabilize the country and prevent the people from suffering,
35:04he had to eliminate the Eastern Army.
35:08Recently, it is said that Ekei and Yoshitsugu Ohtani
35:12led to Mitsunari's defeat.
35:15There are various theories about how deeply Ekei was involved.
35:21Let's take a look.
35:23Here is Jun Ito's point of view,
35:25where he examines the history from the point of view of a historian.
35:32I think Ekei was the most active in the battle.
35:35Is that so?
35:36Yes.
35:37He led 40,000 soldiers to Osaka Castle.
35:42It was a trick to avoid death.
35:44He sent soldiers from Nemaashi in Morikachi,
35:47and many other provinces.
35:50It was the most difficult task.
35:55I think Ekei was the most active compared to Mitsunari and Yoshitsugu.
36:01I see.
36:02Of course, if you think about it,
36:04even if Ekei thought the battle of Ieyasu was bitter,
36:07Mitsunari and Yoshitsugu thought that
36:10they could not save the country from that state.
36:14However, what made Ekei think that
36:17Mitsunari and Yoshitsugu should be on the side of Ekei,
36:20was that Mitsunari and Yoshitsugu pushed Ekei's drum.
36:22I see.
36:23Considering that, I think Ekei was the most active.
36:28Then, if Ekei was not so aggressive,
36:31was it possible that the battle of Sekigahara did not happen?
36:35I think it was very likely.
36:37Is that so?
36:39In order to win a battle,
36:41you have to pay attention not only to the movement of the enemy,
36:44but also to the actions of your allies.
36:47If you don't put up an antenna and get accurate information,
36:50you can't get the result you want.
36:55After the battle of Sekigahara,
36:57what kind of fate did Ekei follow?
37:00And what path did the Mori family,
37:02which Ekei helped to develop, walk?
37:05Please take a look at this.
37:08Ekei could not even fight as a warrior in Sekigahara,
37:12and he was exiled.
37:16However, he did not run away.
37:22When the Western army collapsed in the battle,
37:26Ekei left the battlefield with Masae Natsuka,
37:31who was in the same army.
37:34When he returned to Mt. Nangou,
37:37he said that he was ready to die.
37:45However, Masae Natsuka said,
37:48he was just a dead man,
37:50and that he would not be able to live if he returned to Mt. Nangou.
37:54He was told to run away,
37:56and he ran away.
37:58I think this is the fact,
38:00that Ekei could not even fight as a warrior.
38:04Ekei was ready to die as a warrior,
38:08but he chose to live as a monk
38:10because of the persuasion of the people around him.
38:15Ekei managed to reach Kyoto,
38:17passing through Sawayama in Omi,
38:20but he was hiding in Gesshoin and Kenninji in Kurama.
38:26However, 7 days after the defeat,
38:29he was captured by the army near Rokujo in Kyoto.
38:36He was seen as the leader of the Western army with Mitsunari,
38:41and was executed in Rokujo, Gawara.
38:47Mitsunari predicted Ekei's state of mind
38:50after he was executed in Rokujo.
38:57I don't think he resented Moriki.
39:00He did what he had to do
39:03to protect Moriki.
39:05In the sense that he sacrificed himself,
39:09I can say that he accomplished what he had to do.
39:15On the other hand, Terumoto, who was the general secretary of the Western army,
39:19rejected Ieyasu's offer to send him to Osaka Castle.
39:26However, Ieyasu broke his promise
39:29and sent him to only two countries,
39:32where most of them were captured.
39:39Ekei's desire to risk his life didn't reach him.
39:45What was Ekei's achievement
39:48when he wished for Moriki's return
39:51and sacrificed his life for Moriki?
39:56Ekei was the one who made Moriki survive.
40:00Ekei was executed in Rokujo
40:04and Moriki was able to survive.
40:08In the end, this led to the Meiji Restoration.
40:13That's why Ekei can be said to be the founder of the Meiji Restoration.
40:20Even if it seemed like a tragic end,
40:23Ekei may have had no regrets in his life.
40:33If I were Ekei,
40:36I would really hate Moriki.
40:40I would have regrets.
40:42How did Ekei feel when Moriki was executed?
40:48When he was captured by Nangu,
40:51Hiroya and Mori Hidemoto didn't fight.
40:55I think Ekei was very unhappy.
40:58I've always wondered why Ekei was the only one
41:01who could fight for his own military power.
41:05I wonder if Ekei had his own military power.
41:09Moriki's subordinates were the ones who were in charge.
41:13Even if Ekei gave an order,
41:15I don't know if Moriki would have followed through.
41:18What do you think should be the most important thing about Ekei?
41:23The most important thing is that
41:25Hidemoto saw that he couldn't control the country,
41:28so he didn't pursue Hideyoshi
41:31and let Hideyoshi take control of the country.
41:35Hidemoto didn't want Moriki to take control of the country.
41:40He was more objective.
41:42He was thinking about how big Moriki would be
41:45if Hideyoshi took control of the country.
41:48That's right.
41:49He wanted Moriki to be under Hideyoshi's protection.
41:53If Moriki took control of the country,
41:55he might be killed by someone.
41:57I think that's what Hideyoshi saw.
42:01Now, let's take a look at the lessons we should learn from Ekei's defeat.
42:07You shouldn't challenge a big battle in your own field.
42:11Even though the military is an extension of politics,
42:15the actual battle is a matter of possession.
42:18In other words, Ekei is not a soldier.
42:20That's right.
42:21If Ekei could get rid of Hideyoshi
42:23with just a political bargain from the Toyotomi government,
42:26Ekei should have done more and more.
42:28If Ekei couldn't do that,
42:30I don't think he should have challenged Hideyoshi in the military.
42:33The situation at that time was that Moriki would be the next target of Uesugi.
42:37There was a possibility of that,
42:39so it was inevitable.
42:42However, Moriki was still in a position of power before the 9th Division,
42:46so I think Ekei should have taken the initiative
42:50and followed the internal reform.
42:56A smart person can understand anything,
42:59so I feel like I can do anything by myself.
43:02However, in each field of expertise,
43:05there is a vast secret that cannot be classified.
43:09As the saying goes, a generalist and a specialist,
43:13a generalist has to leave it to the specialist
43:17without talking about the deep parts of the specialist.
43:21The more you can do, the more you tend to do anything by yourself.
43:25However, you have to leave it to the specialist
43:29if you are not good at something.
43:34This is the lesson learned from the defeat of Ankokuji Ekei.
43:44An excellent person who can do anything like Ekei
43:48is a person who can do anything by himself.
43:52So, even if he is not good at something,
43:55he can do it.
43:57I can imagine that kind of feeling.
44:00However, the most important thing is to do what you are good at.
44:04If you don't do what you are good at,
44:07you won't get a good result.
44:10I felt that today.
44:12It has been a long time since the Sengoku period,
44:15so Ekei went to the military even if he wasn't in his field.
44:20However, I think that he should have thought in the direction
44:24of eliminating Ieyasu from the Toyotomi regime
44:27through political power and political bargaining.
44:30So, I think that Ekei should be careful
44:33not to make mistakes like Ekei
44:36as much as he can do anything,
44:39especially among us who live in the modern world.
44:43That's right.
44:45Mr. Saito, thank you very much.
44:47Thank you very much.
44:49Lessons from the Defeat of Ijin.
44:52See you next time.