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00:00 [MUSIC PLAYING]
00:12 Now, those European types love these great big Enduro-style
00:15 bikes like the Africa Twin.
00:17 It is actually a known fact that nine out of 10 Germans
00:20 have at some point or another leapt on one of these, bolted
00:23 on those narrow metal panniers to the back, and buggered off
00:26 around the world.
00:27 So there must be something right about them.
00:30 But I've avoided trying one until now for
00:32 one very good reason.
00:34 It's this bit of a problem.
00:36 But it's not that bad.
00:37 If you are like me, built more for compactness than
00:40 anything else, once you're on board, those long, soft,
00:43 off-road springs compress and bring the ground
00:46 almost within reach.
00:47 And once you're rolling, well, it's really not a problem.
00:50 The Honda Africa Twin 750 has been around for a few years
00:54 now, so you could say it's getting a bit
00:56 long in the tooth.
00:57 Or you could say it's a classic.
00:59 Either way, it's certainly not changed much over the years.
01:03 What you're not buying with an Africa Twin is a
01:05 sophisticated machine loaded with cutting-edge technology.
01:08 They're built and designed to look rugged.
01:10 And in fact, they are rugged.
01:12 So that's exactly what you get, a simple, solid machine,
01:14 that long travel, off-road-ish suspension front and back, the
01:18 wheels with those tires that look off-road.
01:20 But those are road tires.
01:22 They're not fooling anybody.
01:23 So you get a simple frame, cradling a simple V-Twin 750
01:27 CC engine that shares components with a dozen other
01:29 750s in the Honda range.
01:31 On board, well, obviously, you've got these huge, broad
01:34 handlebars.
01:34 You're sitting almost bolt upright.
01:36 And in front of you is a dash layout that--
01:38 I don't know if it's a layout.
01:39 It's a throwout, really.
01:40 Certainly nothing like a sports tourer, bits and pieces
01:43 clustered about all over the place.
01:45 But it's got everything you need.
01:46 You're not riding a tourer.
01:47 You're riding a roughy-toughy Enduro.
01:50 But what's really amazing is what a good tourer it makes.
01:53 That riding position is so comfortable for long journeys.
01:57 Bolt upright, arms out wide, legs straight down below.
02:00 Believe me, it's comfy.
02:03 Now, of course, you'd have to be mad to attempt the Paris
02:05 Dakar on something like this.
02:07 It is very much more a styling exercise after off-road,
02:10 rather than romping across hill and dale.
02:12 But that long travel suspension means it irons out
02:15 even the roughest of potholes.
02:16 It's silky smooth.
02:19 Anybody who's ever spent any time on this, or even many
02:22 other bikes in the same category, will tell you what's
02:25 also amazing is how well it goes around corners.
02:27 The suspension compresses.
02:29 It soaks up the bumps.
02:30 And it'll grip and grip and grip.
02:32 You can get some serious lean on, if you so choose.
02:35 Mind you, it's quite a long way down.
02:38 Some things I really don't get.
02:40 Most computer games, those stupid little mini scooters,
02:44 bikes with CD players, I don't get any of those.
02:46 This, I actually do get.
02:49 It might seem a really odd idea to go touring and use
02:51 every day a bike that's styled to look like something you'd
02:53 cross the desert on.
02:55 But it actually makes a surprising amount of sense.
02:57 That riding position, upright, with your arms widely spaced,
03:00 is hugely comfortable.
03:01 Those great dollops of torque from that simple V-twin mean
03:04 it is actually a delight to ride without feeling you've
03:06 got to go breakneck speed everywhere.
03:08 And they're cheap, best of all.
03:11 This R-plated example with about 17,000 miles on the
03:14 clock, you'd pick up for 4, 4 and 1/2 thousand pounds.
03:16 And you could get one for less.
03:17 Remember, there's no need to buy desperately new with
03:19 something like this.
03:20 They're very long-lived.
03:22 So cheap, practical, and durable.
03:24 Maybe the chairman's had it right after all.
03:28 You know, if you open a motorcycle magazine, go and buy
03:32 any motorcycle mag, and have a look down the bike listings,
03:35 the names of the bikes, the makers and the models, in
03:37 particular, the models, every month we seem to be getting
03:40 new models, new names.
03:41 And you think, oh, how on earth am I going to remember all
03:44 this lot?
03:45 They're coming out all the time.
03:46 But also, if you look closely, you'll see names that seem to
03:48 have been there for years, for donkey's years.
03:51 This is one such name, this name here, Honda TransElp.
03:55 Yeah, been around for ages.
03:57 Actually been around since 1987, can you
04:00 believe, all that time.
04:01 So they must have been doing something right.
04:03 But it's grown up a little bit since then.
04:05 Back in '87, the TransElp was a 600cc V-twin motor.
04:10 Well, it's still a V-twin, but it's grown up now to a 650cc,
04:13 well, actually 649cc, I think it is.
04:16 But there it is, still a V-twin.
04:17 And it's the same engine as Honda used in the Deauville.
04:21 And that's got a good reputation.
04:22 That's become a bit of a favorite with
04:23 motorcycle couriers.
04:25 And they like machines, or they like engines, that are
04:27 good for many tens of thousands of miles, up and
04:29 down the country, all day long, seven days a week, some
04:31 of them.
04:32 So they won't be very much wrong with the motor.
04:34 But it's not just grown up engine-wise.
04:36 It's grown up, I think, in its looks, because it's still,
04:39 essentially, an off-road looking machine, off-road
04:42 style of bike.
04:43 But I think it's becoming a little bit more road bike in
04:46 its looks, in its body work.
04:47 It's a bit more streamlined now, shall we say, the way
04:50 these indicators are all flushed into the front.
04:53 Oh, very, very smart.
04:54 Perhaps lost that little bit of a rugged look that it had
04:57 in its early days.
04:59 And one other thing that you need to be careful of, I'll
05:01 just show you this.
05:02 Watch this.
05:03 People with short legs should beware, because this is a
05:06 very, very tall machine.
05:10 But that can be a good thing, because sitting this high
05:13 gives you a great view of the road ahead.
05:16 The Transel isn't fast.
05:18 It's not meant to be.
05:20 It's got a nice, friendly sort of power delivery, just about
05:23 right for this style of bike.
05:25 It really is an easy bike to ride.
05:27 There's no nasty twitches.
05:29 Everything's just very predictable and
05:31 very sure-footed.
05:33 It's more at home on the tarmac, but it won't complain
05:36 too much on the odd muddy track.
05:39 The suspension set up as standard is a bit too soft for
05:43 any serious terrain, but you certainly wouldn't get away
05:46 with this on your race replica.
05:48 So while we're on the off-road theme, let's have a look at
06:02 the off-road bits and pieces on the Transel.
06:04 Well, the most obvious one is down there,
06:07 bottom of the engine.
06:07 Have a look at that.
06:08 How's that for a sump guard, eh?
06:10 Massive, huge, big bash plate on the bottom there.
06:12 So that'll protect the bottom of the engine should you
06:14 choose to do any off-roading over rocks and boulders and
06:17 things like that.
06:18 And also, it'll protect the downpipe for the exhaust as
06:21 well, because the front cylinder comes right down
06:23 there, right behind that.
06:25 So that's all protected nicely.
06:26 Then the exhaust along up here.
06:29 Any off-road bike, any decent off-road bike, has the exhaust
06:32 up there, tucked up high, out of the way, out of harm's way
06:36 where it can't get bashed and wrecked.
06:38 Well, we're on the back end here.
06:39 Nice big rack there.
06:40 Look at that.
06:42 Big, solid thing there.
06:43 You could stick a top box on there, fill it up.
06:45 You could strap luggage to it.
06:46 You could do anything you like, really.
06:47 And somewhere nice and easy for your pillion to hang onto.
06:50 And I've been riding this two up.
06:51 Had a pillion on the back quite a bit, quite a few times.
06:54 And it's nice with a pillion on the back.
06:55 It's quite easy to ride.
06:57 It doesn't upset the handling of it.
06:58 And it's quite comfy for the pillion, because the seat is
07:01 pretty good.
07:02 But if you don't like the seat, you can take it off.
07:05 Wouldn't be much use if you took it off, would it?
07:06 But there you go.
07:07 It comes off like that.
07:08 And there's not much to see under there.
07:10 Big hole there.
07:11 You could probably get a packet of crisps and a
07:12 toothbrush in it.
07:13 But little else.
07:16 So let's put that back on out of the way.
07:18 Up here on the dashboard, come and have a look up here.
07:20 There's nothing too fancy about it.
07:22 But it just looks nice.
07:24 Full of rain at the moment, of course.
07:25 But it's nice and classy.
07:27 It's well finished.
07:27 It's well done.
07:28 It's nicely put together.
07:30 And over here, the left-hand side, my favorite.
07:32 I'm always moaning about it.
07:34 Fuel gauge.
07:34 We've got a fuel gauge.
07:35 We like bikes with fuel gauges.
07:38 But going on the off-road thing, still on the off-road
07:40 theme, we've got these over here on the top of the bars.
07:43 Or on each side, of course, these knuckle guards, hand
07:45 guards, stop you bashing your fingers as you're going down
07:48 the dirt tracks.
07:49 Stop all the branches bashing your fingers.
07:51 But I suspect that most people who own a Transalp won't go on
07:54 the dirt tracks because, let's face it, the off-road ability
07:57 of this is, shall we say, somewhat limited.
08:00 But these are actually great for keeping your hands warm.
08:02 Because when you get cold fingers when you're riding a
08:04 bike, the things that make your hand cold is the wind.
08:07 It's the wind chill that makes your knuckles freeze and makes
08:09 your fingers freeze up.
08:10 Well, then, help to sort of stop the wind
08:12 blowing on your hands.
08:13 So they do keep your hands quite warm.
08:15 So very useful, even on a road bike.
08:17 Doesn't have to be an off-road bike.
08:19 Which, I'll tell you what it hasn't got.
08:20 And I hate it.
08:21 I hate for saying this.
08:23 It hasn't got a center stand.
08:24 And you know what really annoys me about it is that
08:27 underneath there are the holes for the spindle for the center
08:30 stand.
08:31 So it's all there.
08:32 It just needs the stand put in on it.
08:33 But they don't do it.
08:34 You don't get it.
08:35 But you can have it.
08:36 But you'll have to pay extra for it.
08:38 I don't know.
08:38 That's just one of my pet hates.
08:40 But I'll tell you the best thing about this bike.
08:42 The very, very best thing.
08:44 And that's its comfort.
08:45 The riding position.
08:46 Because it's so, so comfy.
08:48 And if you've got a bad back, perfect.
08:51 If you've got a bad back, this is the style of machine that
08:53 you need.
08:54 Because really, you could sit here all day long.
08:56 You know, I can't begin to tell you just how comfy this
09:02 bike is.
09:03 Cutting through busy rush hour traffic is easy.
09:06 The bike's nice and light.
09:07 And it's all very maneuverable.
09:10 Now, it may have been around for some time.
09:12 But this new Transalp, or the XL650V to give it the full
09:16 title, certainly doesn't feel or look dated.
09:20 And on the road, it'll cost you 5,400 pounds.
09:30 And here it is, was it?
09:31 Honda's CB1300.
09:33 Do you know very much about these?
09:34 Well, Honda have been trying to get in on the muscle bike
09:37 market for a long time, haven't they?
09:38 We go back a few years, the CB1.
09:41 Yeah, CBX, the big, massive six cylinder.
09:43 That worked, didn't it?
09:43 Yeah, well, that was great.
09:44 Yeah.
09:44 And trying to build on that heritage, CB1 came first.
09:47 Then they got the Blackbird motor, went off on a tangent,
09:49 gave us the X11.
09:50 That's right.
09:50 Neither really down favor.
09:53 Well, they reckon this might just do the trick for them.
09:55 It looks right, doesn't it?
09:56 Sort of semi-retro, nice red and white color scheme.
09:59 It's a Honda, so it's going to be OK, we think.
10:01 Just hope it's got a bit of aggression.
10:03 Well, 30 points to beat, eh?
10:04 Let's give it a go.
10:05 [MUSIC PLAYING]
10:12 The CB1300 is Honda's newest old bike,
10:15 if you get to see what I mean, with a heavy growling engine
10:18 and 107 brake horsepower encased in a heavy '80s style bike.
10:22 [MUSIC PLAYING]
10:30 Honda seems to have developed an uncanny knack over the years
10:33 for producing bikes that do their job with so little fuss
10:35 that we almost take them for granted now.
10:38 Well, guess what?
10:39 They've gone and done it again with the new CB1300.
10:43 Lots of four cylinder machines need
10:45 to hit somewhere around 6,000 RPM
10:47 before anything exciting starts to happen.
10:50 This CB1300 develops its peak power at a lowly 5,800 RPM,
10:56 and it will pull cleanly in just about any gear
10:58 from as little as 1,500 RPM.
11:02 Make no mistake, this bike is big and it's heavy,
11:05 but it's not intimidating in any way.
11:08 In fact, it's easy to ride and it handles really well.
11:10 And since riding it, I've been avoiding motorways and fast A
11:14 roads in favor of more challenging B roads.
11:16 And it's not very often you'd say that about something
11:19 which weighs 240 kilos and has 1,300 CCs.
11:24 The gearbox is typical Honda, super slick
11:27 with no hints of any false neutrals.
11:29 The steering is more than sharp enough
11:31 to have some real fun on the twisties,
11:33 although the suspension could be a touch on the soft side
11:36 for any serious boy racer types.
11:38 Looks wise, this is not quite as retro
11:43 as some of the other bikes in this class,
11:45 but it has a kind of pleasant mix of new and old styling.
11:49 As I said before, this is no sports bike,
11:51 but I'm sure that in the right hands,
11:53 this could certainly teach the boy racers a thing or two.
11:56 And it's not slow either, with a top speed
11:58 close to 140 miles an hour.
12:03 So it's over to the scoreboard on Honda's CB1300.
12:06 Styling, 7 out of 10.
12:08 That engine just doesn't look retro enough.
12:12 Performance, 8 out of 10.
12:13 A fantastic motor that pulls cleanly from very low revs.
12:17 Practicality, 8 out of 10.
12:19 Very, very comfortable, and you could ride
12:21 this every day of the week.
12:23 Value, 7 out of 10.
12:24 It's not quite the cheapest in this class.
12:27 So how does it compare to the GSX?
12:30 Well, I would say it's probably a better bike to throw around.
12:33 You could probably have a bit more fun on this.
12:35 Surprising, given how big it looks, isn't it?
12:37 Yeah, but as I said before, it's not intimidating.
12:39 It handles really well.
12:40 Very, very smooth.
12:41 Loads of power down at the bottom end, which is great.
12:43 Very low revving, like most of them are.
12:45 But there's just a problem with the style of it with me.
12:48 Now, you're saying it's not looking old enough, don't you?
12:51 That's what I'm saying, yeah.
12:52 And why is that?
12:53 Well, what I'm saying is these bikes are retro.
12:55 Make no mistake, they're made to look like '70s muscle bikes.
12:58 But that engine--
12:59 Oh, oh, I hadn't noticed that.
13:00 I mean, it's just a great big brand new lump of metal.
13:03 I mean, put some cooling fins on it.
13:04 Put some dummy spark plugs on it if you want.
13:06 If you're going to make a retro bike, go the whole hog.
13:09 Give us a finned engine as well, even if it's not air-cooled.
13:11 Even if it's not air-cooled, make it look it.
13:13 So that's 30 points.
13:13 It's neck and neck with the GSX.
13:15 Yeah, but not all is lost, because there's two more bikes
13:17 still to play with, isn't there?
13:18 Indeed, there are.
13:19 There are two more bikes left to come.
13:20 As Paul has said, that's going to be in part two,
13:22 because this is the end of part one.
13:24 Join us after the break when we'll
13:26 be meeting Kawasaki's ZRX and Yamaha's XJR.
13:29 We'll see you in a minute.
13:31 Right, bad gag time.
13:32 You're going to need some matches.
13:34 Checkers yours.
13:36 Thank you.
13:37 You need two of them.
13:38 Sit down.
13:40 So two matches, one between your knees like that.
13:43 Put the one on the top like that, and go like that.
13:46 Now you know what it feels like to be an elephant riding
13:49 a scooter, or a fully grown adult riding a Sports 400.
13:54 Such as this.
13:57 It's actually the VFR 400R, the NC30 from Honda.
14:00 It was the first of the proper Sports 400s to hit these
14:03 shores back in the very beginning of the '90s, maybe
14:06 the very last year or so of the '80s.
14:08 It was really pretty exclusive and expensive then, since
14:11 which there's been loads of 400s launched.
14:13 They actually brought this one in officially.
14:15 Then they went gray.
14:16 Then there's a whole load of gray imports.
14:17 This, though, is probably still the only one that has a V4
14:20 engine.
14:21 It's huge fun.
14:22 And we're going to play on it.
14:23 I feel huge.
14:28 Makes you feel like Monster Man.
14:29 I feel like John Wayne climbing onto a little tiny
14:31 pony.
14:33 And just like a proper little sports bike, you need to give
14:46 it a really big handful of revs to move off from the start.
14:49 Mind you, first gear is pretty tall.
14:51 And once you've cleared that, the rest is easy.
14:55 There's no doubt in that it's small.
14:56 But it's only when you ride it do you realize how short it is.
14:59 The front of the bike kind of disappears from below your
15:02 field of view.
15:03 You really are sat right over the front wheel.
15:06 Now, it may have been small, but they packed a lot into the
15:09 VFR 400R.
15:10 For a start, there is that V4 engine, a little 400 baby VFR
15:14 engine, obviously, which gives it that lovely note and that
15:16 huge amount of torque in the bottom range for
15:18 what is a small engine.
15:20 Then we had little radical tricks, like the single sided
15:23 swinging arm, which on any bike was pretty rare then.
15:25 And on something this tiny, it was incredible.
15:27 There's a really lovely alley frame, which is definitely
15:29 worth a quick look.
15:31 And then, of course, that proper race bike geometry, so
15:33 you're right over the front wheel.
15:35 All in all, it was pretty advanced.
15:36 There was nothing else like it, certainly on the UK roads
15:39 at the time.
15:41 But above all else, it was and is about attitude.
15:44 Because when you climb on board, you've got to assume
15:46 the position, buster.
15:48 With those rear sets, your head down, those low, low clip-on
15:51 bars here at the front.
15:52 Incredible braking.
15:54 The size of the brakes on this thing would stop something
15:56 three times its weight, no problem.
15:58 The stripped out, almost naked cockpit up here, a real racer
16:01 feel to it.
16:03 And that's really what the whole 400 thing is all about.
16:05 And that's why I like the idea of them, because there's
16:07 something slightly naughty about it.
16:09 A bit like having your first fag when you're perhaps a bit
16:11 under 16.
16:13 This bike clearly has no purpose other than going fast.
16:17 There's nothing sensible or compromised about it.
16:19 You can't tour.
16:20 God knows you wouldn't want to sit on the back of the thing
16:22 and there's nowhere to put luggage.
16:23 Even to the point of, if you've gone to the trouble of
16:25 fitting a single-sided swinging arm at the back, why
16:28 root the exhaust in front of it?
16:29 Put it at the other side.
16:30 Let the world see.
16:31 This is a racing bike for racers.
16:34 Small racers, obviously.
16:35 This particular bike hadn't yet been prepared for sale,
16:42 and so it had a rather wobbly headstock due, I suspect, to
16:44 a dodgy bearing and a very squared-off rear tire, which
16:48 made cornering a bit of an adventure.
16:50 Nevertheless, the VFR's handling does shine through.
16:52 There's no doubt that it is extremely flickable.
16:55 It'll change direction quicker than you can plan it.
16:58 The 400 sports bike class only exists at all, because in
17:01 Japan, you have to take another test to
17:02 ride a bigger bike.
17:04 Therefore, they've squeezed every last iota of power from
17:07 the 400 engine.
17:09 Dealers over here soon realized that there was a bit
17:11 of a market, and so the grey imports caught up.
17:14 And eventually, Honda stopped bringing the VFR in as an
17:16 official import at all.
17:18 Now, of course, there's a whole raft of 400s available.
17:22 It might be a pocket rocket, but don't expect it to be that
17:24 light on your wallet.
17:26 This example on a J-plate, once all its little niggles
17:28 are being put right, will set you back at a deal of the best
17:31 pot of three grand.
17:31 You'll get it for less if you're really brutal with your
17:33 dealer.
17:35 And what could be better on the right day than getting out
17:37 on a 400?
17:38 OK, any sport 600 is probably going to beat it.
17:41 But not in the hands of most of us.
17:43 And with the VFR 400, you're also getting that rare thing
17:46 in such a fast and frantic class.
17:48 That's a bike with not only that extra torque from the V4,
17:51 but also a little bit of heritage and pedigree.
17:53 Permit me to explain.
17:55 No, I haven't taken up rodeo riding.
17:57 And no, it's not the chalfonts flaring up again either.
18:00 It all happened in the line of duty.
18:02 I was sent to test ride the Honda Valkyrie.
18:05 And, well, see for yourself.
18:08 Wow!
18:09 It is huge!
18:10 I mean, massive!
18:12 Not just a big bike, it is enormous.
18:14 It's actually the Honda Valkyrie, or F6C, standing to
18:18 flat six custom, to give it its proper name.
18:20 And it is massive.
18:22 And it's got real visual impact, in the same way that
18:25 a docking ship grabs your attention at the quayside.
18:29 And it's not just the length of the thing either.
18:31 It's the guff.
18:32 Six horizontally opposed cylinders do not make for a
18:35 lean and narrow steed.
18:36 In fact, the only bike I can remember being close to this
18:39 wide was the old CBX with six transversely mounted pots.
18:43 But even that looks like a moped next to this.
18:46 It really is born to be wide.
18:49 It shares that 1,500cc engine with the equally gigantic
18:53 Goldwing, where it can at least be justified on the
18:55 grounds of providing effortless,
18:57 long-distance cruising.
18:58 Here, though, there's absolutely no
19:00 excuse for it whatsoever.
19:02 And that is the point, I think.
19:05 Oh, and incidentally, it costs 10,500 pounds and weighs as
19:07 much as a fire blade with two scooters strapped to it.
19:12 It's like riding a Highland cow.
19:14 Mind you, it actually feels perfectly manageable once it's
19:17 rolling, despite the immense size.
19:19 It's unbelievably smooth without being soggy and
19:22 wallowy, which many customs half its size could learn a
19:25 lot about handling here.
19:27 Of course, it's probably not the suspension soaking up the
19:30 funds, so much as the weight steamrolling them flat.
19:33 The Cheyenne retiring had better think twice before
19:36 throwing a leg over the Valkyrie, because
19:38 subtle it ain't.
19:39 On the motorway, people get out of your way as you come
19:41 thundering up behind them, either to take a good look, or
19:44 probably because they're worried you might not be able
19:46 to stop.
19:48 In town, well, either get a tinted visor or wear a gorilla
19:51 mask if you don't want to be recognized.
19:53 I did both, obviously.
19:54 So let's put it to the test and see what happens.
20:05 I'll have a lolly, please, mate.
20:06 I'll pay you in a minute.
20:08 -Yeah.
20:11 -One potential problem, though, is that even if you're
20:13 just a big show-off and love to be noticed, it attracts
20:16 attention from all the wrong people.
20:18 It's a bit too, well, granny friendly.
20:21 Know what I mean?
20:22 Ooh, isn't it lovely?
20:23 Isn't it gorgeous?
20:24 Just watch.
20:26 Go on, look at the bike.
20:27 Go on, go on.
20:27 Look, it's all shiny.
20:29 Look at the bike!
20:30 Have you got no hearth?
20:31 Look, big, shiny bike!
20:33 Ooh, people.
20:36 See what I mean?
20:37 Yeah, well, not everything works, but there are some
20:39 gorgeous details on the bike.
20:40 For a start, there's the engine itself, and not just
20:42 the finishing on it, the sheer size and presence of it.
20:45 Looks as though the whole bike has been lowered down onto
20:48 that and this beautiful twisty exhaust system.
20:50 Then we've got the tank, huge, and the seat.
20:53 How many buttocks do they think I'm going to get on there?
20:55 They've really gone for that American flavor there,
20:57 obviously.
20:57 We've got a beautiful comfrey pillion setup, which is most
21:00 welcome, and then gorgeous details like the clocks,
21:03 superbly finished, and the headlamp with that little
21:06 hooded bit over the top with enormous mudguards and--
21:08 oh, I could go on, but I won't.
21:11 Just have a look.
21:12 The other thing the F6C does very well, indeed, is dispel
21:15 one of the usual problems associated with big, shiny
21:18 customs, and that's when you get, oh, mate, doesn't that
21:21 look great?
21:21 Oh, but it's really fast, isn't it?
21:23 When actually, despite having twice the capacity of their
21:25 Nissan Micra, it'll only go half as fast.
21:28 Well, not this time, Grandma, because this goes like stink.
21:31 Mind you, it does get a bit breezy, particularly at high
21:44 speeds, and it can hit very high speeds.
21:47 Up to about 100 miles an hour, it threatens to leave you
21:50 behind.
21:51 Over that, you know, 100 and down, and something rather odd
21:54 happens with the aerodynamics, so that it's actually easier
21:57 to hang on.
21:58 I'd say that a screen might be a good add-on, even if it is a
22:01 bit wimpy and gives it all the aerodynamics of a barn door.
22:04 And while you're at it, you might as well stick some
22:05 luggage on the back, and you'd have a very capable, and let's
22:08 face it, good-looking, long-distance cruiser.
22:12 Now, look at it this way.
22:15 If I have to explain why the Valkyrie, then you'll never
22:18 understand.
22:19 Of course it's ridiculous if you look at it with your
22:21 accountant's head on, but then it's precisely accountants,
22:24 doctors, lawyers, frustrated middle management, who'll be
22:27 buying these things because they're ridiculous, because
22:30 they make no sense.
22:31 Let's face it, unless you're a dispatch rider, it seldom
22:34 makes much sense to own a bike in this country anyway.
22:36 They're expensive, and it never stops raining.
22:38 And I'll tell you something else.
22:40 I want one.
22:42 I, uh, I want--
22:44 all right, I want one.
22:45 I love it.
22:48 Think of performance twins, and you'll
22:50 instantly think of Ducati.
22:52 In fact, it's true to say that it's only in the last few
22:55 years that the Japanese have started to get a decent
22:58 foothold in this particular market.
23:00 Honda, of course, are now enjoying some racing success
23:03 with their SP1.
23:05 But more common on the road is their VTR Firestorm.
23:09 And for 2001, they've made a few changes to the big twin.
23:12 And here it is.
23:17 This is the new 2001 model Honda VTR, the Firestorm.
23:22 A few subtle changes, a few slight cosmetic changes, but
23:25 not really very much.
23:26 But quite a few engineering changes on this 2001 model.
23:29 Still very, very distinctive.
23:31 Still got this frame that we're all used to seeing now
23:32 on a Firestorm.
23:34 What would you call it?
23:34 It's kind of a bit trellis, sort of a bit beam type frame.
23:38 It's a bit of a mixture of styles, really, but still very,
23:41 very distinctive, still very, very Honda Firestorm.
23:44 V-twin motor in there, of course, 90 degree V-twin.
23:47 Still got the side mounted radiators here,
23:49 one either side.
23:50 Normally, you'd look up the front of the bike there behind
23:52 the wheel, you'd see a radiator.
23:53 You don't on this one.
23:54 You just see a whacking big cylinder sticking out
23:57 forwards there.
23:58 But the engine really just hangs from this frame.
24:01 If you look at the bike and think, well, how's this been
24:03 put together?
24:04 The engine just hangs from the frame.
24:05 It's mounted here, here, here, and a couple of other
24:07 places as well.
24:08 And it just literally just hangs off
24:09 the bottom of the frame.
24:11 Swinging arm is bolted to the back of the engine, straight
24:13 onto the engine.
24:14 So I think if you took the engine out of this, the whole
24:17 thing would just fall to pieces.
24:18 They'd just fall apart, because really, that's holding
24:21 everything in place.
24:22 One of the changes they've made on this is at the rear
24:24 shock there.
24:25 They've not actually changed the shock, but they've now
24:26 added rebound damping.
24:28 It's been added to the array of adjustments on the rear end
24:31 there, so a little bit of a modification there.
24:33 Also, the ignition and the carburation settings have been
24:36 modified slightly to give, so they say, a
24:38 smoother power delivery.
24:40 Still got carburetors on this.
24:41 Look, manual choke there on the side there, which is a bit
24:44 awkward to find with a glove hand until you actually get
24:47 used to where it is.
24:48 But there it is.
24:49 We've not gone fuel injected yet.
24:50 You'd have thought they might have done that on the latest
24:52 model, but no carburetors we've got.
24:54 Up here, the handlebars, believe it or not, are
24:57 different.
24:57 Well, they're not different.
24:58 They're just higher, slightly higher up.
25:00 So they say it gives a more comfortable riding position
25:03 now on this new version of it.
25:05 And it is quite comfy, actually.
25:06 The seat's not bad.
25:07 Couple of hours, two or three hours in the saddle, no
25:09 problem at all.
25:10 Also, the fuel tank has grown up.
25:12 This is now a 19-liter fuel tank on this version.
25:16 And I know Firestorms have never been famous for their
25:19 touring range, you might say.
25:20 They've never been famous for their economy.
25:23 And let me tell you that I filled this up a few days ago
25:26 right to the top.
25:27 And then I did fairly sustained high-speed traveling on a
25:31 motorway, quite high speeds.
25:33 And I got 120 miles before the low fuel
25:36 light started to flash.
25:38 Well, that's not good, if you ask me.
25:39 I don't think that's great.
25:40 OK, I didn't run out of fuel, but the light was flashing.
25:43 So after 120 miles, I was starting to
25:45 look around for fuel.
25:45 So probably not quite addressed that problem just
25:50 yet, but it is a comfy bike.
25:51 As I say, you can sit on it a long time and enjoy the big
25:54 throbbing V-Twin motor.
25:55 Because it does throb, because that's what V-Twins do.
25:58 They have character.
26:00 People say twins have character.
26:01 Well, character to me is just another word for vibration.
26:04 They do vibrate by their very nature.
26:06 They shake a lot.
26:08 And I have to say that when I first climbed aboard this, for
26:10 the first 40 or 50 miles or so, I hated
26:13 every minute of it.
26:16 Perhaps I was judging things a little bit too quickly.
26:20 Yes, I did hate it at first.
26:21 But after, what, 300 or 400 miles or so, I started to slip
26:25 into the groove, as they say.
26:28 I really think it's a case of what you've been used to.
26:30 If you've served your time on four-cylinder machines, then
26:32 you'll probably hate the twins.
26:34 There again, if you've been brought up with twins, you'll
26:36 probably love the new Firestorm.
26:39 It is slightly lumpy at low revs.
26:41 And it's a bit of a pain in the butt to get it going.
26:44 But it's a great bike to have on the road.
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38:46 And the feedback was for more power, less weight, an adjustable screen and an adjustable seat.
38:53 The style of this new machine is not massively different, but it is without doubt a much prettier bike,
39:00 with its smooth flowing lines and typically high level of finish.
39:04 As you'd expect on any new machine, the 1261cc V4 motor is fuel injected.
39:12 Because it's brand new, as is every other component on this new bike.
39:17 This launch is really the first time that the world's motorcycle press has had a chance to climb all over the bike and to actually touch and feel it.
39:33 And it's always good to hear the first impressions of some of the other journalists.
39:37 And to eavesdrop on one of the men involved with its development.
39:41 What you've got here is a mammoth jump forward in regards to technology.
39:45 It's got like 20 brake hose by ammonia, it's got fuel injection. It just feels like it actually.
39:50 And I was saying to Adam, the best thing that would be to do when you get back and you get one,
39:57 is to have a run on the current one and then jump on this.
40:00 So is it a subtle difference rather than a dramatic one?
40:04 Yeah, it is.
40:05 I think the controls are falling easily.
40:07 Tell me Paul, what's your view of this new and improved version of the Pan European?
40:13 It just looks dead big.
40:15 It does actually.
40:16 It just looks big.
40:17 More modern but certainly more sizable.
40:19 We saw it at the NEC last year and the manual was up on a plinth so it looked very grand.
40:22 And we all went, wow that's a big thing.
40:24 Where's the button do?
40:26 It's got to be on the bar somewhere.
40:29 Well that control doesn't fall easily to hand.
40:31 It doesn't. It's probably under the seat man.
40:33 It should be a punch, shouldn't it?
40:35 It should, yeah.
40:37 Unless this is just a show model or something and it hasn't got the switch.
40:41 It's hardly a show model if it doesn't show you where the bloody button to adjust the screen is, is it?
40:45 Have you ridden it yet Mark?
40:47 No.
40:48 Have you ridden the existing one?
40:49 No.
40:50 Do you ride bikes? Do you ride bikes at all?
40:51 I do quite enough, yeah.
40:53 Well that was interesting stuff.
40:54 I think you'll agree from Dave Hancock.
40:56 And he probably knows more about this bike than anybody else here today.
40:59 That other guy by the way, the lad with the funny accent, that's Chris Moss.
41:02 He's a motorcycle journalist and yes, before you ask, he is on a completely different planet to everybody else, believe me.
41:08 But here it is. This is the new Pan European.
41:10 Beautiful looking thing, as you can see.
41:12 It is a brand new bike.
41:14 Now if the old one was so good that it stayed around for 12 years unchanged, why then suddenly change everything?
41:19 Well, a kind of natural progression really because of course we've got a new engine.
41:23 We've wanted more power and all the rest of it.
41:25 So we've got a new motor that has to sit in a new frame.
41:27 So the frame has to be redesigned.
41:29 And of course now it's aluminium instead of the old steel frame.
41:32 So we've saved a bit of weight and we've upped the power as well.
41:34 We wanted a seat that was adjustable.
41:36 Well this is a three position seat now.
41:38 It's low, middle and high positions.
41:40 So that has to sit on a new subframe.
41:42 So you can see where I'm going, can't you?
41:44 One thing leads to another.
41:45 And not to dismiss the old bike in any way, but when you start redeveloping something and changing things and putting new things into it,
41:51 you finish up with a completely new bike.
41:53 And it is a brand new bike.
41:55 It's a gorgeous looking thing and there's lots and lots of technological advancements in this bike.
41:59 It's quite a high tech thing, very sophisticated piece of kit.
42:02 But more of all that blurb later on.
42:04 I think the most important thing for now is to get on it and ride it.
42:24 OK, well it's first impressions time.
42:26 And a quick glance down the spec sheet shows that it's got more power and it's lighter.
42:30 And yes, you can really tell.
42:31 There's bags and bags of nice, smooth, torquey power from anywhere you choose in the rev range.
42:36 As for the weight, well it certainly feels sportier than the old ST1100.
42:40 Not that that matters a great deal when you're blatting along at 100 miles an hour or so.
42:45 But certainly through busy villages and small towns, it's a very fun, intimidating bike.
42:50 It doesn't feel heavy and it's very, very manageable.
42:52 It inspires great confidence.
42:54 Well you're impressed aren't you?
43:02 And so you should be impressed.
43:03 This is a nice piece of kit, believe me.
43:06 I can tell you that it comes in two versions.
43:08 This one here sat in front of us is the standard version.
43:10 It's the standard version because there's no ABS on it and there's no electric screen.
43:15 Well ABS, OK, personally I can live without ABS. I'm not bothered about that.
43:18 But I will say that having ridden one with an electrically adjustable screen, I would definitely go for that option.
43:24 A thousand pounds is the difference in price.
43:27 This on the road is going to be about £10,300.
43:29 If you want ABS, the deluxe model if you like, with ABS and electric screen, then it's going to cost you about £11,300.
43:36 So a thousand quid difference for that.
43:37 Also, not available now in the pan-European is TCS.
43:40 That was available on the old ST1100's traction control system.
43:43 That isn't on it now and you can't have it.
43:45 The reason being Honda have asked owners, "Do you want TCS? What do you think of it?"
43:49 And they said, "No, we're not bothered. Not interested in that. Forget that. Leave it off."
43:52 So it isn't available.
43:54 As I've already said, completely new frame, aluminium frame there,
43:57 which means the engine is actually mounted slightly differently, but it's mounted further forward now.
44:02 The engine is further forward, so there's more weight further forward,
44:05 which means the seat can be mounted further forward, so the rider is further forward,
44:09 which means the whole bike can be shorter.
44:11 It's actually 50mm, which is only a couple of inches.
44:13 50mm shorter wheelbase now on the whole thing.
44:17 That engine, as I said, is brand new.
44:19 That is a work of art.
44:20 If you could see that engine, you can't.
44:22 Obviously, it's covered in plastic bodywork.
44:23 If you could see that, it is a work of art.
44:25 Not only is it shorter that way, sort of front to back, but it's more compact that way.
44:30 One of the things they've used, or one of the ideas that they've used to do that,
44:33 is they've put the alternator in between the Vs.
44:35 If you imagine there's a V engine, the alternator is sat there in the middle,
44:39 and that's an idea that they have actually patented.
44:41 Of course, it's helped them to keep it very short, very compact, the engine.
44:46 The fuel tank is new as well.
44:47 That on the ST1100 was not a fuel tank.
44:50 The fuel tank went down below, and at the top, it just covered up the air box.
44:53 Now, the fuel sits in all of that.
44:55 It is actually a proper metal fuel tank, so you can put a metallic tank bag on it as well.
44:58 Slightly bigger than before, only by a litre, 29 litres, which will give it a good touring range,
45:03 more than equal to all of its competitors, better than, I think, most of them.
45:06 But it doesn't all sit up at the top.
45:08 21 litres sits at the top, and then 8 litres sits down below.
45:12 It's kind of split in two, because you don't want 29 litres of fuel up there,
45:15 because it's about the weight of two jerry cans, and that would not be a nice bike to ride.
45:19 But it's the look of the bike that's going to appeal initially to buyers.
45:22 Nobody's going to buy anything if they don't actually like the look of it.
45:25 They think it's ugly, they won't buy it, no matter how good it's supposed to be.
45:27 And I think this looks really, really smart.
45:29 Nice lines, nice clean lines, very futuristic looking, very modern looking.
45:33 The front of it, with all these Vs in it, they've sort of got this V theme going.
45:37 The fairing there, down into a V, carried through on the sides, there's Vs there.
45:41 And at the back as well, the taillight also is a V shape.
45:44 Now you'll remember at the old Fireblades, with the Fox Eye headlamps,
45:48 they said, "Oh yeah, Fox Eye headlamps."
45:49 Well, I don't know who thought of that, but I've thought of a name for the taillight.
45:51 I'm going to christen this, and I'm not going to let anyone say this,
45:53 I'm going to christen that the Butterfly-shaped taillight,
45:56 because it just looks like a butterfly, and I think it looks really smart.
45:59 I'm sure you're all very impressed with my wealth of knowledge about the new Honda Pan European,
46:04 but of course, I've read it all in a press pack.
46:07 I hadn't really got my hands on the thing before today,
46:10 and I've really, really only scratched the surface.
46:12 There's loads of technology aboard, and it gets very, very complicated,
46:16 but I wouldn't even attempt to try and tell you all about that.
46:19 But earlier, I was fortunate enough to meet a man who's been involved with this bike
46:22 for the last five years as a development rider.
46:25 He is, of course, Dave Hancock.
46:27 Yeah, well, the original Pan European was introduced in 1991.
46:32 It took us, again, three years to develop that from the word go from about 1989 onwards.
46:37 Really, since that day, we've never actually changed it at all, apart from colours.
46:43 It's remained the same through the ten years it's been in the market.
46:46 Well, we started development work on the new one around about five years ago.
46:51 What we do initially is we do a lot of survey work with the customers
46:55 and just find out what they want, what they like, what they don't like about the current bike,
46:58 and then we just go into making a new one.
47:00 And pulling out the four main things that they wanted is just lighter weight,
47:04 more power, an adjustable screen, and an adjustable seat.
47:08 So then we start development work from there and go on, and it just progresses through.
47:13 Really, what it does is it starts again on another ten-year cycle of the ST.
47:18 And the way we develop bikes is that we actually, within the machine,
47:23 there is developments that we can do further on through the years.
47:26 So actually, I'm sure it's going to last another ten years and beyond that, really.
47:30 It's a totally new bike. The whole thing is brand new.
47:33 The chassis, there isn't one part, really, of the new ST that's taken from the old one.
47:38 So it's a brand new machine.
47:39 Well, there you have it, spoken from a man who knows.
47:43 Now, apart from a high degree of comfort,
47:46 Honda reckon they've built in a fairly high level of performance to this new machine.
47:50 They say it's not dissimilar to the VFR.
47:53 Well, after the break, we'll take the new Pan onto some very challenging mountain roads
47:57 and we'll be talking to some of the top UK bike journalists
48:00 to see what they think of the new machine.
48:03 There are some people that say size isn't everything.
48:08 And there are others that say, if you're going to have one, have a big one.
48:12 Well, how about this for a big one?
48:14 Honda's giant trail bike, the Varadero.
48:18 The Varadero is powered by a 1,000cc V-twin motor lifted straight from Honda's VTR Firestorm.
48:26 So you can rightly expect it to be pretty exciting.
48:29 There are, however, some engineering modifications.
48:33 The Varadero uses a larger flywheel, which helps to smooth out some of the lumpiness,
48:38 which all V-twins suffer from at low revs.
48:41 It also slows the acceleration slightly.
48:44 You wouldn't want to be sat this high up in the air on something which accelerates with the same force as a Honda Firestorm.
48:51 Another significant change is the use of 42mm carburettors in place of the 48mm used on the VTR.
48:59 But don't be fooled into thinking that the power of this motor has been completely killed off.
49:05 It definitely hasn't. It's still a very, very capable machine.
49:08 It'll still produce 94bhp, which is about a dozen or so less than a Firestorm,
49:14 but it's still better than anything else in this giant trailer class.
49:18 Another modification on the engine is down at the bottom.
49:21 So the sump is smaller on the Varadero, got less capacity.
49:25 And that's to provide more ground clearance, because this thing is supposed to look like an off-road bike.
49:31 Well, it does look like an off-road bike.
49:34 The fact that it's completely hopeless off-road is besides the point.
49:38 The problem is it's simply too big, and it's far too heavy to cope with any serious terrain, any serious rough terrain.
49:45 A few potholes and cobbled streets, not a problem.
49:48 But if the going gets tough, don't bother trying it on one of these.
49:51 There's no point having an off-road bike that you can't even pick up.
49:55 So it must be good at something.
49:57 Well, yes, it's excellent at sustained long-distance travel, hour after hour, if you like.
50:03 And really, apart from your dedicated tourers like your Pan-Europeans and your Goldwings,
50:08 there's very little to touch it in the comfort stakes.
50:11 The seat is superb.
50:13 As good as any touring machine, you're not going to get a sore bottom sat on that for many, many hours.
50:17 And the whole riding position, really, is first class.
50:21 The footpegs aren't too high. They're not too far back.
50:24 You're not going to get sore, aching knees.
50:27 The position of the bars is just about spot-on.
50:30 Absolutely no strain on your arms or your wrists.
50:33 You can sit there all day long. It's really good.
50:35 Windscreen's fairly efficient. Not bad.
50:38 It tends to just catch the top of my helmet a little bit, so I have to just squat down slightly.
50:42 But if I squat down slightly, straight over my head.
50:45 Don't get a headache. No wind noise in my helmet. Really is excellent.
50:49 Big Bulbous fairing, which does a reasonable sort of a job
50:52 at throwing most of the wind and rain away from your body and the upper part of your legs.
50:57 Also, very important, when you're sat this high up, visibility is excellent.
51:02 So when you're touring across the continent through all your nice countries and your sightseeing holidays,
51:07 you can see over all the hedges on the country lanes, and you can see everything. It's superb.
51:12 Also superb in the busy city traffic, because you're in a jam.
51:16 You can see across the top of the cars, through the traffic lights, across the junctions.
51:20 It really is very, very useful.
51:22 So far, so good, but there is one thing that really, really does bug me,
51:27 and that's this thing down here. A side stand.
51:30 And that's it. A side stand. We haven't got a main stand.
51:33 And I've said it before, and I'll say it again.
51:36 On a bike that's capable of going for hundreds and thousands of miles,
51:40 and well capable of carrying some luggage, you need a main stand.
51:44 You need to get it straight, upright. It's as simple as that.
51:48 Talking about luggage, no panniers as standard on this.
51:51 I suppose you could fit some panniers on there.
51:53 Well, you could certainly fit a top box on there.
51:56 But you do get this rack as standard.
51:58 Nice, big, chunky grab rails there for your pillion to hang on to.
52:01 Not going to get aching fingers. Nothing to dig into the back of your fingers there.
52:04 Very, very comfy.
52:06 You could strap a few bits and pieces on there.
52:08 Under the seat, there's a tiny, and I mean tiny, amount of storage space.
52:12 I won't even bother showing it to you.
52:14 You get very little under there.
52:15 You might just squeeze a disc lock in if you're lucky, but not much else.
52:19 And I'll tell you something else that bugs me.
52:22 I'm really having a good morn today, aren't we? But just look at this.
52:25 Now, I mean, I'm sorry, but I don't see the point of this.
52:27 Petal cap there.
52:29 Key in there. Quite normal. Nothing unusual there.
52:31 Then watch this. Look at that. It comes off.
52:34 Why does it come off? Why does it not flip back?
52:37 Or hinge or something? I don't know.
52:39 There's no reason for it to come off. It's just a nuisance.
52:42 And not just that, but when you put it back on, you've got to push it down.
52:46 And then, you know, when you've got gloves on at a petrol station
52:50 and you're freezing cold in the middle of winter, it's just not necessary.
52:54 You just don't need problems like that.
52:57 But long-distance travel is where the Varadero really does excel.
53:01 When the sports bike riders are stopping every couple of hours
53:04 to realign their elbow and knee joints
53:06 and maybe get some semblance of feeling back into their wrists,
53:10 the Varadero rider can plod relentlessly on and on,
53:14 hour after hour, country after country, if you like.
53:17 It's that comfortable. It's that effortless to ride.
53:20 Fuel stops, too, don't have to be too frequent.
53:23 A tank capacity of 25 litres will take you somewhere close to 180 miles
53:29 before the warning lamp starts to flash.
53:31 The Varadero really is an excellent long-distance tourer.
53:35 So how does it compare with the others in this class?
53:38 On price, it beats the lot at £7,300.
53:42 It's cheaper than Triumph's Tiger by a couple of hundred pounds.
53:46 And it beats BMW's 1100GS and their new 1150GS by well over £1,000.
53:53 I make that 1-0 to the Honda.
53:56 Now, the motor on this Varadero is, as we've said,
53:59 it's more or less the same as a VTR Firestorm.
54:02 So, really, need I say any more? You know how good that is.
54:06 Unless, of course, you don't like V-twins.
54:08 Not everybody likes a V-twin.
54:10 You might prefer a Triumph Tiger.
54:12 It's a 900cc triple-cylinder motor, even if it is, I think,
54:16 a little bit mechanical and noisy.
54:18 It's a Triumph. You might like that.
54:20 You might prefer BMW's flat-boxer twin in their GS,
54:24 even if it does have a rather strange wobble when you're sat at the traffic lights.
54:27 And if you've never noticed that, get on one, sit at the lights,
54:31 and just blip the throttle just a tiny bit, and you'll feel the bike go like that.
54:35 It just rocks to the side. Not like that. Like that.
54:37 Nothing wrong with it. It's just a bit weird and a bit strange
54:40 the first time you experience it.
54:42 Now, Giant Trailies aren't the prettiest of bikes. I'll agree.
54:45 They're not meant to be. They're built to do a purpose.
54:47 They're very, very functional.
54:49 No streamlined, sleek fairings, and no racy paint jobs.
54:53 If that's what you want, then you buy a sports bike.
54:55 But they're all much of a muchness, really, the Giant Trailies.
54:59 None of them are really much better equipped than the others.
55:01 They're all pretty similar.
55:03 The dashboard on this one isn't any better, isn't really any worse than anything else.
55:07 We've no fuel gauge on this. We've got a fuel warning lamp down there.
55:11 But we have got a nice little clock in the middle, which I think is great.
55:14 Always very useful, especially if you're going touring for hour after hour.
55:18 This one has got dual CBS, Honda's combined braking system, which is very, very good.
55:24 BMW's has got ABS.
55:27 Triumph's Tiger, well, that's just got reasonably good brakes.
55:31 But really, you pay your money and it takes your choice.
55:34 I don't think anyone is significantly better than the other.
55:37 But if you want a bike that can take you to work and back every day of the week,
55:41 commute through the busy city traffic with no problem at all,
55:44 give you great comfort, use it at the weekends, good performance,
55:48 and could even take you on holiday, then you could do a lot worse than buying one of these.
55:53 And I think I know which one I'll be taking on my holidays.
56:00 The VFR 750 was a legendary super capable all-rounder,
56:05 which has now become this here VFR 800,
56:08 which is a faster, more comfortable, better equipped version of the original bike.
56:13 My heart sank when I found out we were testing sports tourers for this week's show,
56:22 because no sports tourer's test is complete without one of these, Honda's evergreen VFR.
56:29 And sadly, very few sports tourer's tests are also complete without said VFR
56:34 naffing off into the sunset with the top honours.
56:38 In eight years as a bike journalist, I have lost count of the number of sports tourer's tests I've done.
56:44 And I've also lost count of the number of times the VFR has been the winner.
56:49 It's just so predictable.
56:54 I've ummed, I've aahed, I've lain awake at night desperately trying to find reasons for something else,
57:00 anything else, to wrest the VFR's crown from its iron grasp.
57:04 But whatever I do, it never works out.
57:07 First up, the VTEC in that motor.
57:12 It may give you two valves per cylinder low down for better torque,
57:15 and it may give you four valves per cylinder higher up for better performance.
57:19 It may also give the bike a power band that makes it feel faster than the previous model.
57:24 But VTEC is old technology that Honda have pilfered from their car range,
57:28 and there's still only 107 horsepower in there.
57:32 The motor may only have 107 horsepower, but it's plenty fast enough on the road.
57:40 The chassis makes this the sharpest VFR yet,
57:43 and the same is true of the brakes, which bite beautifully when asked.
57:47 It's easily all day comfortable, one or two up.
57:51 There's a clock, naturally.
57:53 The mirrors are excellent.
57:55 The headlight turns night into day, and there's even a centre stand.
57:59 Short of the fact that this motorcycle doesn't actually ride itself,
58:03 it is still one of the best bikes ever made, and it's probably the winner here.
58:08 There you go, I said it.
58:10 Again.
58:12 Styling, 7 out of 10. Best looking VFR ever.
58:16 Performance, 8 out of 10. Doesn't excel anywhere, but is good everywhere.
58:22 Practicality, 9 out of 10. It's well made, it's built to last,
58:26 and as well as that, it'll handle just about anything you want to do.
58:30 Value, 8 out of 10.
58:32 Just a shade under 8 grand, it's not a cheap motorcycle,
58:35 but you do get a good deal of value out of it.
58:38 Just a shade under 8 grand, it's not a cheap motorcycle,
58:41 but you do get a lot of bike for your money.
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