The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 2 Episode 4
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00:00You're so cute.
00:02You make me so happy.
00:08I'm the luckiest guy. I've said it from day one.
00:10Cameron's my boyfriend.
00:12He seriously is the best.
00:14Me and Cameron's connection is a lot different than me and my ex's
00:16because I feel like he genuinely sees me
00:18and cares for how I feel in every situation.
00:20And I'm just so grateful for him
00:22that he came into my life.
00:24This place is so cute.
00:26There's soda, ice cream,
00:28shakes.
00:30That looks so good, actually.
00:32Is that beer?
00:34Should I try it first time?
00:36I still can't believe you've never
00:38tried it once in your life.
00:40Cameron's dad is a bishop, so his family is very
00:42strong in the church, which makes him a bit
00:44conservative when it comes to certain things.
00:46I don't know. I'm not intrigued.
00:48You said you do need gummies.
00:50Well, I never said I would.
00:52You did.
00:54If I'm going to try it, I'm not going to smoke.
00:56If I was going to try it, I would do it edible.
00:58I think we should try it.
01:00Alright, we'll see.
01:02And then you're going to get the munchies.
01:04Things are going really great with Cameron.
01:06I feel like our sex life is good,
01:08but I've still yet to experience an
01:10orgasm with a partner.
01:12It's something that I really want for myself,
01:14but something that's kind of ingrained in our church
01:16that you're not really supposed to enjoy sex
01:18until you're married.
01:20And I think that that put a constant shame in my head
01:22around sex in general.
01:24It's something that I need to work on and work through.
01:26Dad being a bishop has so much
01:28responsibility in the church.
01:30That's just how I grew up.
01:32So much of everything that was against the church,
01:34like weed and drinking and stuff, we just never talked about it.
01:36It was just, don't do it.
01:38Or do this or don't do this.
01:40I don't necessarily think Cameron's family
01:42has any hard feelings about
01:44me being in Mom Talk, but Cameron's
01:46only really dated very strong members
01:48of the church, girls that are very active.
01:50And I'm definitely the opposite of that.
01:52So maybe they have their reservations in some way.
01:54So your parents don't know that you have sex and stuff?
01:58The significance of having sex
02:00before you get married is obviously a big deal.
02:02So they'll figure it out eventually.
02:04Or if they ask me about it, I'd be open and tell them.
02:06Would you? You wouldn't lie?
02:08Do you feel like
02:10pressure about me
02:12and making me orgasm?
02:14Yeah, obviously. Of course.
02:16Because it's like, yeah, of course I do.
02:18At this point, I'm going to die without having sex.
02:22Come ye saints and come ye sinners
02:24Come ye saints and come ye sinners
02:26Come ye saints and come ye sinners
02:28Alleluia
02:30Alleluia
02:32Listen now
02:34I'm the one you've been dreaming of
02:36I've got everything you could ever want
02:38I've got everything you could ever want
02:40Try me and you'll see
02:42I'll bring you to your knees
02:44Baby, you're gonna believe
02:46Hey, hey, hey
02:48Hey, hey, hey
02:50Hey, hey, hey
02:52Hey, hey, hey
02:54Hey, hey, hey
02:56Hey, hey, hey
03:10I just wanna dance
03:12all night and
03:14not until the morning
03:16I got my boys around me
03:18And we don't need anybody
03:20Dance all night
03:22and not until the morning
03:24Those boots are cute.
03:26Thanks. Today I'm grabbing brunch
03:28with Mikayla and Taylor and I'm really excited
03:30to catch up. I know that Taylor has been
03:32going through a lot with her relationship with Dakota
03:34and Mikayla has been on a journey with
03:36therapy and so I'm really excited to get together
03:38with them and just chat. You gonna take over?
03:40Yeah. Thank you. But considering
03:42everything that has happened with the Halloween party
03:44I'm worried. Oh my goodness
03:46This is so nice. Maybe you should sit on the
03:48entee so that you can put him
03:50Yeah. Thank you.
03:52Thank you so much. Thank you, Rachel.
03:54How do you know her name?
03:56She's a name tag and I just met her.
03:58Is that your new friend? Thank you, Rachel.
04:00Are you gonna add her into the group chat too?
04:02Shut up.
04:04You can play Flanny. I approve.
04:06I am like lagging today.
04:08Like, Dakota, have you talked to him
04:10at all after the party? Well, yeah, I made sure he was
04:12okay because I thought honestly like
04:14I was worried about that. I do worry
04:16about him like obviously when you have a past
04:18like that like that's like life or
04:20death for people so it's like
04:22I checked up on him. That's good.
04:26Since the Halloween party, Miranda and I
04:28are cordial but Dakota and I are
04:30currently in a fight. Things are just getting
04:32worse and worse and honestly I do
04:34worry about Dakota's sobriety
04:36with recovering addicts. You never know
04:38and so I think I'll always worry about
04:40that. My heart is closed at this
04:42point but there's no question that I feel so
04:44strongly about him.
04:46I was like you embarrassed us both.
04:48Oh yeah. Chase like just pointing
04:50like literally so close to your face and so
04:52aggressively pointing at you
04:54like every husband probably would have lost it there.
04:56The fact that they all saw
04:58it except you is like embarrassing.
05:00And Chase has done a lot more to you than he's done to any
05:02of us too. He just like
05:04didn't want to hear it but I'm like
05:06I'm like done. I'm just
05:08I have nothing to say. There's no more words
05:10for it honestly. I know but you still talk
05:12like and fight like you're together.
05:16Yeah. He doesn't feel
05:18done unless it's like strictly like
05:20about ever. Like hey like when are you picking him
05:22up? Just like separate and
05:24take care of your baby. I don't know. That's what I'm saying.
05:26I think you two have to work on
05:28yourselves and by yourselves without each
05:30other at all. I feel like it's been
05:32sort of done to be honest. If he
05:34were to go on a date with someone wouldn't you be pissed?
05:36If you're going on a date
05:38during all of this
05:40you're not my person at all.
05:42So you're still considering being together?
05:44I mean I don't have
05:46like I just don't have words for it. I don't know.
05:48Like I can't say yes I'm done with Dakota forever
05:50or I want to be with him right now.
05:52Like I just don't I don't know.
05:56Taylor and Dakota are in a really bad place
05:58right now. It is so toxic.
06:00It's like oil and water.
06:02I understand like you want to make it work
06:04with the person you have a baby with but I just
06:06don't see it working out. I get confused.
06:08I guess what I'm saying is I'm not focusing on that.
06:10Like I need to I have so much work to do.
06:12I have my kids to focus on. I need to be present
06:14with them. I need to go to therapy and heal
06:16like my inner issues because
06:18I'm also so like messed up.
06:20When everyone's like let it go let it go
06:22or like do this do that and it's like my brain is like
06:24fucked like it's like
06:26fucked up. When I go into therapy
06:28I'm like I feel crazy because it's the same thing
06:30and she's like it's not crazy because you're
06:32in like trauma and you have PTSD
06:34so it doesn't matter. It's going to always be there
06:36until we fix it. Yeah. And rewire
06:38your brain so. Yeah. But it is possible
06:40though so it's like. Yes. It's like this is work
06:42in progress and I'm tired of everyone being like
06:44and we're exhausted. Well guess what me too.
06:46Yeah. So it's going to take
06:48a while to heal it. Yeah.
06:50I have some really
06:52deep issues
06:54of self-worth. I felt
06:56like my real dad not wanting
06:58anything to do with me. My girlfriend
07:00not wanting anything to do with me. My guilt
07:02for the swinging scandal.
07:04It makes me feel like trash
07:06and now Dakota kind of brought it out
07:08and exploded it but it's deeper than
07:10Dakota and what he did. When I
07:12am betrayed it just confirms
07:14my beliefs about myself.
07:16I feel like you guys are never on the same page
07:18and so I feel like you're both trying to
07:20validate your feelings to each other
07:22but you can't do it.
07:24I think Taylor and Dakota's
07:26relationship is kind of already detrimental
07:28to Taylor's health and mental well-being.
07:30He's been deceitful and lying
07:32to you and gaslighting you for the last
07:34two years but now that she has a baby
07:36I understand that it adds a difficult
07:38dynamic. I just want her to
07:40be healthy and I want her to have a healthy relationship.
07:42We were supposed to have therapy on Monday
07:44together but
07:46I don't know if he'll show up. I'm going because she's
07:48my psychiatrist regardless
07:50but if he was supposed to be there but I don't know
07:52if he'll come but I'll be there
07:54regardless. I don't know.
07:56Alright, we can talk about
07:58something else.
08:00What is that on my head?
08:02It's still there.
08:04Get it out!
08:06Oh my gosh!
08:08It's stuck to my head.
08:10Anyways.
08:12How are your marriages guys?
08:14Perfect? I'm like honestly really good
08:16but no one's marriage is perfect.
08:18No one is perfect.
08:20You know what I forgot to tell you guys?
08:22A few months ago I got
08:24two confessions on Sinner Sunday.
08:26Wait.
08:28Well I always get ones about you
08:30but this is not what I'm talking about.
08:32But it said I slept with Denise's husband
08:34last year while she was away.
08:38Sinner Sunday is something that I started
08:40a couple years ago where I just wanted to have
08:42a little bit of fun. I have people write in
08:44anonymous confessions and they're usually
08:46really juicy and then I post them
08:48on the story of that page for everyone to see.
08:50Yeah, that's not true. To me it doesn't go a day away from
08:52Brett so. Besides the
08:54girls trip we did in June.
08:56Nothing would surprise me anymore.
08:58We have learned there is truth
09:00to the confessions on Sinner Sunday.
09:02There are. With the Dakota and Taylor situation
09:04a lot of things ended up coming out
09:06that were true. Demi and Brett might have
09:08cracks that they don't share with everybody.
09:10No relationship is perfect.
09:12We can talk about Jen and Zach.
09:14I was just going to ask Marti about Jen and Zach but I guess
09:16we don't know. They were doing their trial
09:18living. When I talked to Jen
09:20she's like oh my gosh we're so much
09:22better now. He's totally allowing me to be myself.
09:24Allowing you to be yourself.
09:26He's allowing me.
09:28I'm like how thoughtful of him.
09:30He's grown
09:32so much.
09:46Finding out that I'm pregnant was very
09:48stressful. I don't want to tell
09:50anyone that I'm pregnant just because there's
09:52still tension in the air.
09:54What's hard for me
09:56is Zach left med school so
09:58I can be part of mom talk.
10:00It's been very hard
10:02to talk to the girls
10:04about everything that I'm going through
10:06and so it's been nice having Miranda.
10:08She's the only person
10:10right now that has validated
10:12me.
10:14Are they
10:16heading to
10:18chases?
10:20Is that hard?
10:22Co-parenting?
10:24It's definitely difficult
10:26but there hasn't been
10:28a day where I've felt like it wasn't the right decision.
10:30Really?
10:32It hasn't been easy but it's been easier than staying married
10:34was.
10:38When did it hit you
10:40that it was time to
10:42split?
10:44I can't remember if it was an argument
10:46we had or something
10:48and I was just like, I'm done.
10:50I'm done.
10:52It literally was like
10:54a switch flipped in my brain
10:56and then I just remember feeling so much
10:58more calm.
11:00I'm very much
11:02happier now but I was going to ask
11:04how you're doing.
11:06To be honest, I'm not
11:08okay right now.
11:10I'm trying
11:12so hard
11:14not to
11:16I'm sorry.
11:18I hate crying.
11:20Don't be sorry.
11:26I just
11:28genuinely feel
11:30so alone right now.
11:32My marriage and where I'm at
11:34with all the girls.
11:36I feel
11:38for Jen. I've been there
11:40and it is
11:42rough.
11:44All of the things that Jen has
11:46gone through and where
11:48she's at now, I think she's kind of
11:50she's hitting
11:52a breaking point.
11:54The more she opens up, the more I'm
11:56realizing that maybe
11:58she's not receiving the support that she
12:00needs.
12:02In mom talk right now with
12:04Zach, I think there are some red flags
12:06for sure and yeah,
12:08but if she doesn't feel like it's the best
12:10thing for her, she needs to be
12:12supported in that journey.
12:14I just feel like these girls
12:16specifically Demi and Jesse continue
12:18to put me in these uncomfortable situations
12:20and if I do struggle
12:22in my relationship, I feel like I can't
12:24go to them because I feel like they
12:26already have this narrative in their head.
12:28Well, I already told you you should leave him.
12:30Yeah, no, exactly. I want to continue
12:32being a part of
12:34mom talk but also I know it's
12:36really, really hard for Zach and I feel like
12:38it's hurting our marriage.
12:40You should not have to feel like that.
12:42I'm very
12:44worried and stressed out because
12:46bringing in another human
12:48into this
12:50life is
12:52a lot. I feel like
12:54I'm definitely
12:56in the midst of
12:58spiritual warfare where
13:00I'm just doubting everything
13:02and I feel like lost.
13:04I'm not sure if I want
13:06to be in the marriage anymore
13:08and I definitely think
13:10that it is
13:12a wake up call for me to really
13:14figure out what I want
13:16for this baby.
13:18What's really conflicting right now is
13:20since
13:22Vegas and everything, I feel like
13:24I've distanced myself
13:26from church.
13:28I feel like I've kind of
13:30also distanced myself from God
13:32and it's made it
13:34really hard for me
13:36to know what's best for me
13:38and
13:40it's just hard
13:42because my relationship with God
13:44is everything
13:46and I feel like He's
13:48quiet right now.
13:50I'm just
13:52praying to God to
13:54lead me to what I need to do.
13:56I want to do what's best for me
13:58and my kids
14:00and my marriage.
14:04In order to have this
14:06child right now,
14:08there's a lot of things I know I need to work
14:10through. I don't even know what I
14:12believe in
14:14and what I'm
14:18what my
14:20current
14:22purpose is.
14:30Suspect only carries
14:32credit cards that say
14:34J.C. Styles on them.
14:36Suspect is looking for his girl
14:38half his age.
14:40There he is.
14:42What's up, boys?
14:44Oh wait, Brett, no. Hold on.
14:46Oh.
14:52Brett, that's where the balls
14:54come out.
15:01You guys are still young
15:03enough, you don't need to stretch, huh?
15:05So today
15:07I invited Jordan and Brett to
15:09go golfing. Just wanted to talk to them
15:11after what happened at the Halloween party
15:13and kind of their role in the Chippendales
15:15dancing and
15:17just confront them for what happened.
15:21Should we do a little long drive?
15:23Yeah, you guys want to do some betting?
15:25I'm just kidding.
15:27Hey, too soon, man.
15:31I hate to interrupt
15:33the golfing. I did want to come here today
15:35and just talk to you guys about some stuff.
15:37I just wanted to talk to you guys about the
15:39Halloween situation.
15:41I've already sat down with Demi and Jesse
15:43and I kind of told them where I was at
15:45with respecting our relationship
15:47and they've chosen not to, but that
15:49is what it is. I have
15:51hope that moving forward I can have a good
15:53relationship with these guys. At the end of the day
15:55I have nothing against them. I
15:57think they're great guys. I think they're great husbands.
15:59I know you guys didn't have any
16:01bad intent, but I still think
16:03it was a little bit disrespectful, but mostly
16:05just insensitive.
16:07Man to man, if you guys did
16:09respect me or you guys did support
16:11my relationship, you guys could have
16:13let me know.
16:15Jordan, I feel like we're
16:17pretty close and I feel like
16:19Brett, I've expressed to you that
16:21I look up to you. I mean, clearly
16:23you guys knew. It's not like it just slipped
16:25your mind. I'm super traditional.
16:27It's just who I am.
16:29Ten minutes earlier, you guys were both
16:31out almost physically assaulting
16:33someone over
16:35them physically assaulting his wife.
16:37For sure, and I stand by that.
16:39I'll never walk away from that in my entire
16:41life because the way I was raised is
16:43you don't ever put a hand on a woman.
16:45You just did the same thing right after.
16:47So hear me out. I didn't touch Jen.
16:49Okay, if you want to be petty
16:51I can be petty with you. I'm doing
16:53this in a respectful way.
16:55I watched the whole situation. What Chase did
16:57is he went up to me and touched her without
16:59consent in a condescending way. What you guys
17:01did was touch my wife without
17:03consent in a condescending way.
17:05Same thing.
17:07The thing that
17:09I have a tough time with is that
17:11Jen was warned
17:13what the whole bit was
17:15and she was also told
17:17that you could be included and
17:19she didn't choose to tell you that.
17:21And honestly, there needs to be accountability
17:23then for not putting you in the know because it was
17:25said that there was going to be surprises.
17:29That doesn't mean
17:31that I shouldn't have reached out and definitely
17:33try to include you or invite you into that.
17:35I agree with that.
17:37I was under the impression that you were in the know.
17:39That is something Jen and I have to hash out
17:41and if it later comes out that she didn't
17:43tell me the truth, that's going to suck.
17:45Jen has, again, sworn on
17:47our children's life. This is her story.
17:49I'm going to have to believe her and I'm going to
17:51sit out with Jesse and Demi and whatever
17:53comes out or if it doesn't, it is what it is.
17:55I just wanted to come to you guys because
17:57I still would have wished you guys
17:59would have told me. I talked to you that morning.
18:01This all comes down to two things.
18:03Intent
18:05and communication. At the center
18:07of it, Jen might be a
18:09little bit of a moving
18:11target depending upon
18:13the situation and how she might be feeling
18:15and how she might be feeling you might react
18:17at certain times. Her message might
18:19change a little bit. There may be some nuances that
18:21change a little bit. I'm just asking you to be open
18:23to that and
18:25not draw such hard lines.
18:27He said this, she said this, this is definitive
18:29because there is a lot of moving
18:31nuance there. Nothing is definitive and it's going to be in the gray area and I'm just trying
18:33to handle it the best I can and still
18:35show up for my wife and be a good husband.
18:37Because I'm telling you, man to man, had I thought
18:39for even one
18:41millisecond that this was going to cause any
18:43kind of issue whatsoever in your marriage,
18:45it never would have happened.
18:47Jen and I have been through
18:49a ton in this last year. A lot
18:51of these tough situations could have been
18:53avoided through maybe better
18:55understanding on my part, but maybe a little bit
18:57more honest and
18:59straightforward communication on
19:01Jen's part. But as far as fighting for
19:03our marriage, absolutely. There's
19:05no question that it's worth fighting for and I think
19:07we're putting in the work and it's
19:09just going to be a long process.
19:11At the end of the day, I'd love to continue to
19:13golf, have fun. We'd love to have you come to
19:15the dad talk stuff. Yeah.
19:17Can I hear you? Yeah.
19:21Bring it in. So, should we get back
19:23to hitting some golf balls after that?
19:25I'm going to have to re-stretch.
19:39I think I have everything.
19:41Shut the door.
19:45The last
19:47couple weeks have been really hard, but I'm just
19:49thankful that Dakota came to our therapy session.
19:51It was a lot about the Halloween party
19:53because it was so triggering.
19:55When you see Chase treating
19:57me this way, that's when
19:59you step in as a man and be like,
20:01you do not talk to her that way.
20:03Back the fuck up. Like, that's what I would
20:05want my man to do for me. I'm the
20:07mother of your child. Tell him to back the fuck up.
20:09He said one remark to one of my
20:11friends and the husband immediately was like,
20:13you go fucking apologize to my wife.
20:15If you ever acted like you wanted
20:17anything to do with me. My ex would have
20:19defended me in that situation.
20:21Okay, I know.
20:23We're gone. I feel like the
20:25last few years have actually
20:27been the hardest.
20:29I feel like I've been insecure
20:31with Dakota. Him thinking certain
20:33things and saying things. And my family
20:35saying, you didn't respect yourself. I think it just
20:37added. And ever since then,
20:39it's just been hard to pick back up and
20:41feel confident again. We had a family dinner
20:43we went to. My mom, she was like,
20:45everyone is exhausted of hearing the same things
20:47like, what is going on? And
20:49my dad was like, well, I don't know why you expected
20:51better when you jumped into bed with him
20:53so fast.
20:55I feel like just
20:57anger.
21:01In our therapy session, Dakota
21:03finally took a step back and was
21:05processing. And I feel like for the first
21:07time, he was not only hearing me, but he was
21:09listening to me. I don't
21:11actually have an issue with
21:13you trying to process these
21:15things and you struggling.
21:17I'm still here.
21:19I think the only thing I've ever
21:21actually wanted is forgiveness.
21:25And that's all I need to where
21:27I can actually show
21:29up for you and work on those things
21:31that you need me to
21:33show you and give you
21:35that can help you
21:37that can help you
21:39work through these things too.
21:41And I'm sorry
21:43I failed you. I really am.
21:45I do
21:47feel like we finally had this mini breakthrough.
21:49I feel like I saw the soft side
21:51of Dakota that I initially fell for.
21:53Healing is really hard because I think
21:55it gets really ugly before it gets pretty.
21:57There's so many great things
21:59I love about him and vice versa. Like, that's why
22:01we won't let each other go because it's like
22:03so good when it's good
22:05and he's upset me
22:07he's hurt me but I don't think he's
22:09failed me. I think failing is
22:11when it's over and you're done trying.
22:13The whole party thing just sucks.
22:15Like, that really hurts me because
22:17I feel like the one thing
22:19I've always actually been
22:21really good at throughout my whole life is just like
22:23having people's back and
22:25like I'd do anything
22:27and so
22:29yeah, I just
22:31feel like I screwed that up and
22:33that sucks.
23:04Layla's definitely gone through some changes
23:06from going through a divorce
23:08to getting her boobs done
23:10but one thing that remains is that
23:12she has yet to have an orgasm
23:14with a partner. Jazzy and I kind of
23:16want to take the pressure off and maybe
23:18inform her on how to achieve that
23:20so we thought of a cute idea
23:22to throw her a sex party.
23:27Hello. Hello.
23:29Erica? Yes. So nice
23:31to meet you. Do you need help? Is this heavy?
23:33No, it's great. Are you sure? Yeah.
23:35Where would you like me to put it? In this room.
23:37Okay. This is where everyone will be. Awesome.
23:39We love it. Beautiful.
23:41I think there's definitely some shame
23:43that comes along with being a member of the Church of
23:45Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Unfortunately,
23:47sex is a very under-talked
23:49about topic and so I think
23:51everyone's excited to learn more
23:53and, you know, support Layla.
23:55Jessie and I found this sex expert,
23:57Erica, and I am hoping
23:59that she's able to remove
24:01the taboo around sex.
24:03It's a me.
24:05This is the guest of honor. Oh my goodness.
24:07Okay. Hello.
24:09Welcome, Mama. How are you?
24:11Love to meet you.
24:13It's so cute.
24:15This is Erica. Hi.
24:17Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you.
24:19Give all your certification. She's incredible.
24:21So my official title,
24:23Certified Sex and Relationship Coach
24:25and Board Certified Clinical Sexologist.
24:27Amazing. Oh my gosh. I'm so excited.
24:29This is all for you. I love it.
24:31Cameron wants me to feel good
24:33when we're having sex and I do feel like
24:35the girls are being supportive right now and trying to
24:37help me feel loved and cared for.
24:39That's really something that I
24:41appreciate about this group. Having sex before
24:43I was married, getting pregnant before I was married,
24:45I just have always felt shame.
24:47It's just something that has always been kind of
24:49a cloud over my head when it comes to sex.
24:51Oh, is that a vagina?
24:53So this is a vulva. Yeah, we'll talk about this.
24:55This is a vulva puppet.
24:57She's pretty, right? She's cute.
24:59So we have a
25:01wide range of women coming
25:03tonight. Okay. From
25:05very experienced,
25:07like swinging with multiple partners
25:09experienced. Okay.
25:11Oh my gosh, you look
25:13so hot. And then very
25:15conservative.
25:17I'm like, huddle.
25:19There's dog shit right there.
25:21Sexy. Sexy.
25:23Hello.
25:25Oh.
25:27So I
25:29walk into Demi's Remove the Taboo
25:31party and I'm a little shocked.
25:33There's collars, chains,
25:35whips, butt plugs,
25:37dildos. I'm like, where am I?
25:39This is like a sex shop. I thought this was
25:41like, remove the stigma of sex.
25:43But this seems like a full
25:45on orgy party.
25:47I just want to know what you guys all think is
25:49the most shocking of all of these.
25:51I feel like I've seen them all,
25:53but like...
25:55However, it wouldn't be a mom talk
25:57party without some kind of drama,
25:59so I just feel something brewing in the air.
26:01Oh my goodness.
26:03Look at you. You went all out.
26:05This is cute, Taylor.
26:07I love this.
26:11Alright, someone bend over.
26:13My delivery's here.
26:15I forgot it. Thank you.
26:17No!
26:19I forgot it at home, so I had to
26:21see how Jace bring it. It looks just like me.
26:23No! It's an ass.
26:25Do you know that your
26:27BFF thinks that was
26:29a mold of her ass? Is that true?
26:31Macy? Yeah. Who in mom talk has the
26:33best ass? Of course, that's me.
26:35Just genetics. She actually
26:37used my ass as inspo for her cake.
26:39Oh, please. I don't have enough cake
26:41to mold Macy's ass.
26:43What's the flavor?
26:45Ass. I'm just kidding.
26:47The flavor is butthole.
26:51Hello.
26:53Look at you. You look great.
26:55Thank you. So do you.
26:57Hello.
27:01Do you ever think you'd be back at a
27:03mom talk sex party?
27:05Oh my gosh.
27:07No, I did not think
27:09I would ever be at a sex party with
27:11Miranda, but here we are together.
27:13Surprise. Who has the kids tonight?
27:15Is Dakota a dad talk?
27:17Yes. Yes, he is.
27:19Jordan's like, I'm really hoping Dakota can
27:21lead this because he's like a TikTok expert.
27:23They're just making TikTok.
27:25They're making dad talk.
27:27I mean, I didn't ask him much about it.
27:29Jordan's like, I don't know how to use TikTok. I'm like, ask Dakota.
27:31Okay.
27:33Connor, you're in the middle. Okay.
27:35Click.
27:37So head to the left,
27:39right? This is just a practice.
27:41Get ready.
27:43Click.
27:45Left. Left.
27:47Sorry. Okay.
27:49Are you guys ready?
27:51Here we go. We got this.
27:53The click.
27:55Oh, shit.
27:59How do they get the positioning?
28:01Is it just because they're small?
28:03Here we go.
28:05Get ready.
28:07Click.
28:09Click.
28:11Click.
28:13That's it. Dad talk has been established.
28:15We cannot admit to the girls
28:17how hard this is.
28:19No, never. Promise.
28:21Promise this stays here.
28:25I'm crying.
28:27We should all grab the one that looks the most like us.
28:29I also need some cheese.
28:31Are you guys good now?
28:33I don't know, honestly. I don't know.
28:35I appreciate her thanking me.
28:37I think we're to a place where our friendship is a little...
28:39Friendship's better for me.
28:41I guess coming from my perspective, it's better.
28:43I just don't have answers.
28:45He hasn't been... I haven't lived with him for over a month now.
28:47Oh, I didn't know that.
28:49Where is he?
28:51Apartment.
28:53Is Jen here yet or no?
28:55Oh, I forgot Jen was coming.
28:57I think she should be here any minute.
28:59She better be walking in with just full lingerie.
29:01No, Zach won't allow that.
29:03Is he going to dad talk?
29:05I don't think so.
29:07No.
29:09She came over a couple days ago.
29:13We talked and I think she's just been...
29:15She was asking a lot of questions
29:17about my divorce.
29:19Oh, interesting.
29:21Like she was inquiring for herself almost?
29:23Kind of.
29:25Oh, no.
29:27Jen and I's relationship used to be really great,
29:29but now that Jen has isolated herself,
29:31we never hear from her.
29:33It's really sad to me to see how it's fallen
29:35into a relationship at one point.
29:37Anyone know how she's feeling about the Chippendales situation?
29:39Did you talk to her about it?
29:41What did she say?
29:43She wasn't thrilled about it.
29:45She did say she was like,
29:47I know that Demi brought it up.
29:49She's like, I just wish that I would have known
29:51the length of the plan.
29:53She didn't know that there was going to be
29:55other people involved and she didn't know
29:57it was going to be people dancing on her.
29:59It was supposed to be a surprise.
30:01Honestly, me even giving her a heads up
30:03I'm not sure if this is off the table at all.
30:05I know this was a heavy time for you.
30:07If it's off the table at all and she was all for it.
30:09She was like, I love it.
30:11That's the best idea ever.
30:13It's going to come in like normal costume,
30:15rip it off into like a Chippendales.
30:17I love that.
30:19I can't believe Jen knew about it beforehand.
30:21I think it's absurd for Jen to now say
30:23that the prank wasn't okay.
30:25Especially now that we know for a fact that she told
30:27Jessie and Demi that she was completely on board.
30:29The more I hear about Jen recently,
30:31the more I want to believe anything that she says.
30:33She made it sound like it was like this great idea.
30:35So I hope she just isn't like harboring
30:37more feelings because she tends to do that.
30:39And she did say that she was like, I did appreciate
30:41that Demi brought it up to me at all.
30:43I think she was just like, oh, I just wish that I would have
30:45known a little bit more extent of it.
30:47My life is definitely in chaos
30:49right now after
30:51the Chippendales prank
30:53and with Demi and Jessie
30:55interfering with
30:57mine and Zach's relationship.
30:59It's caused more conflict
31:01between us and finding out
31:03that I'm pregnant as well as
31:05having a bit of an identity
31:07and faith crisis.
31:09I feel
31:11really lost and I'm hoping
31:13showing up tonight can
31:15show them that I'm really
31:17trying to put in that effort.
31:19And hopefully there's no more drama.
31:29Let me be explicit
31:31See this ring, you wanna kiss
31:33This ring, you can't pay from the bottom
31:35Wanna stick my finger in it
31:37You know you're gonna get it
31:39I say, I say, I say
31:47Welcome!
31:49You know, I was considering wearing my germies.
31:51As much as I want to talk to Jen
31:53tonight and I do want to clear the air,
31:55I'm looking around and we've got the sex expert
31:57who has prepared a whole night
31:59for us and everyone's excited
32:01to support Layla and tonight is
32:03obviously about Layla so that
32:05conversation's unfortunately gonna have to wait
32:07Thank you for coming everyone
32:09You all look stunning, sexy
32:11beautiful. I'd like to introduce
32:13you to Erica. She is a sex
32:15coach. Essentially she
32:17is here to break the taboo
32:19This remove the taboo
32:21party is a little edgy for Mormons
32:23I will say. However, Mormons
32:25are a little bit freaky
32:27like in marriage
32:29So there are a plethora
32:31of items over here ladies. If you've been
32:33to a sex shop, you know there's so much more
32:35available, right?
32:39Hey ladies, I have a question for each one
32:41of you. So I want you each to answer this
32:43Okay? Taylor, I'm gonna start with you
32:45What arouses you?
32:47Um...
32:49The most?
32:51I love like a scenario in my head
32:53Okay, so some fantasy play
32:55Yes. Okay, that's awesome. How about for you?
32:57Um...
32:59I like dirty talk. Dirty talk
33:01Nasty. I hate dirty talk
33:03What arouses you,
33:05Mikaela? Oh, I love
33:07massage and also
33:09smell. I feel like smell is
33:11like sex smell but like deodorant
33:13and perfume. Like the smell
33:15So you're a sensual gal
33:17I don't know. I'm playing on my own
33:19sexual traumas next to them
33:21Layla, how about for you?
33:23Actually feeling something?
33:25I don't know
33:27I like seeing like my partner
33:29Okay. Like connection
33:31Maybe. Yeah. When like he's enjoying it
33:33then I like enjoy it. Yeah, yeah
33:35What about for you do you enjoy?
33:37What do you mean? Like what about it for you
33:39that has nothing to do with him? What about you
33:41like feels good?
33:43Really? Yeah, yeah, for sure
33:45I'm like I don't know
33:47I don't know. I think the fact that I'm not able to answer
33:49the question on what turns me on is
33:51kind of a big revelation for me. The fact
33:53that I can't even pinpoint what
33:55makes me aroused in a situation
33:57I think is a really big red flag
33:59I think that's honestly maybe
34:01contributing to why I'm not able to enjoy
34:03sex fully is because I don't know what I like and don't like
34:05We're our first sexual partners
34:07So if we're not exploring
34:09our own bodies to kind of figure out what
34:11we like, what pleases us and what doesn't
34:13then how are we to express
34:15that to our partners, right? We're going to do
34:17a little sensation play
34:19So if you would pair up, please
34:21I'm at a swinger party right now
34:23Woo!
34:25So I want you to think about the most
34:27soft touch that you can give your
34:29partner and then let her give you feedback on
34:31what feels good
34:33Do you want it harder or softer?
34:35Whatever
34:37Whatever
34:39Anything
34:41So ladies, so what I'm doing is I'm asking
34:43Taylor if she wants it harder or softer
34:45Ew, I hate this
34:47I don't like this at all
34:49Do you want to be scratched with it?
34:51Oh, I like that
34:53Okay, so she likes to be scratched with it
34:55We would hate that
34:57I know, this was a little too intimate. McKaylee, are you ready to really bond?
34:59It's your assumption
35:01Oh, I don't like that
35:03Feels like there's something crazy on my face
35:05I think when we get in a group, I think we truly have
35:07boundaries. I think Macy
35:09needs to work on her feathering techniques
35:11though, because it wasn't really doing anything for me
35:13Having to feather
35:15feather my friend, that sounds
35:17so weird. Having to feather someone
35:19being like, how does that feel? Ew, I did
35:21not like that one bit. The one thing that happened
35:23today that I never want to think about again
35:25was definitely Miranda
35:27whipping me with a whip
35:29It was
35:31definitely a little awkward for sure
35:33I'm so straight, it's scary
35:35It's scary
35:37This is not about being straight
35:39It's like just enjoying
35:41the feeling of it. You've kissed girls
35:43I've never kissed a girl. Yeah, but I am so straight too
35:45I mean, I didn't have, I like, did not
35:47not enjoy it, but it wasn't a turn on
35:49I just did. It was just fine because you were drunk
35:51Okay. Yeah. It's not that bad
35:53I mean, Miranda's a great kisser
35:55I've kissed a lot of girls actually in my life
35:57and Miranda is a good kisser
35:59But I do feel like Demi
36:01makes things like judgmental jokes where
36:03it's like an underlying message to you
36:05and it's kind of like a
36:07light jab, but yeah, I do
36:09feel like she does that. Hey, so now
36:11anyone wanting to
36:13be handcuffed with your ankles and your wrists?
36:15I'll do that, yeah. Sure
36:17Where do you buy this? Can you buy it on Amazon?
36:19Nope. You can buy everything on Amazon
36:21I'm like, send me the link
36:23Didn't think the first time I was
36:25getting tied up would be from a woman, but you know
36:27Taylor's face
36:29when she was like
36:31I'm just learning new things
36:33There we go. Okay. You're gonna
36:35let me know how that feels, okay?
36:37Are you close to orgasming?
36:39Are you okay if
36:41I just hit you very lightly?
36:43No. Okay
36:45And then you're gonna tell me if you want
36:47me to go a little harder
36:49or a little softer. Give it to me, daddy
36:51I feel like you need to be the one
36:53on here right now. Close your eyes
36:55Close your eyes, sweetheart
36:57Harder or softer?
36:59Harder
37:01You like to be whipped
37:03I think something I took
37:05from the sex party is that I like it
37:07hard and rough
37:09Moving forward, I'm gonna be more open about
37:11trying things in sex and experimenting
37:13and just being more open and communicating
37:15when I'm having sex. I do feel
37:17hopeful that an orgasm is around the corner
37:19Fingers crossed that it can happen soon
37:21Are we gonna eat the ass?
37:23Oh, yes!
37:25It's good luck
37:27Yeah, I like that
37:29I like that
37:31Sensual! Now that we've got the sex lesson
37:33out of the way, I think it's the perfect
37:35time to talk to Jen
37:37I definitely want to talk to her about the whole chip and
37:39nail situation. I want to clear things
37:41up and just talk to her and figure out what went wrong
37:43How are you and Zach?
37:45Jen?
37:47How are you and Zach doing?
37:49We're doing better
37:51as of right now, as of today
37:53Good. Has it been like
37:55a long road? Yeah
37:57Yeah, it's been a lot
37:59Yeah, it's been a lot
38:01I do feel like, to me
38:03she likes to talk a lot
38:05about projection, which is very funny because
38:07it's like when you're crying and kind of going at
38:09somebody, it's like a projection thing
38:11so when she brings up Jen and Zach's relationship
38:13you have to ask, like, what is it?
38:15Why do you care about theirs?
38:17I'd love to have a conversation with all of you
38:19but I'm just
38:21trying to figure it out
38:23as of right now, I'm just
38:25keeping it between Zach and I
38:27and that's what it is
38:29At this point, I think
38:31Jen needs to be held accountable for all of the
38:33lies that are coming out. We know that they are
38:35not related to Ben Affleck. They're
38:37putting Chippendales on me and Demi
38:39I think her feet need to be held to the fire and she
38:41needs to own up to what she's lied about
38:43take accountability so we can all move on
38:53Head up to the sky
38:55Watch me in the spotlight
38:57Everybody catch my fire
38:59All eyes on me
39:01All eyes on me
39:03Oh look, there's little name tags
39:05Weren't you in charge of the seating thing?
39:07This is not going to work?
39:09What's wrong?
39:11Me across from Whitney?
39:13How would that not work?
39:15My two best friends
39:17Tonight, I have invited all the girls out to dinner
39:19because I have so much to say
39:21I have invited all the girls out to dinner
39:23because I have super exciting news
39:25I got a book deal less than a year ago
39:27I launched Baby Mama and it was
39:29an amazing experience and now
39:31my book is about my life story
39:33because it is very traumatic
39:35crazy and unconventional
39:37especially for like a Mormon
39:39This has been a goal of mine since 2015
39:41and I just wanted to use my voice to help other women
39:43and what makes MomTalk great is that
39:45we have been able to inspire other women
39:47and bring them together and form a community
39:49I feel like this book means so much more to me
39:51than anything that I've ever done
39:53or any goal that I've ever hit, it means the most
39:55So I'm excited to tell the girls it's finally happening
39:57I like to be next to me
39:59I like Taylor here
40:01Tensions in MomTalk have been really high
40:03so I have to make sure that I'm seating everyone
40:05in the right spot so that a fight doesn't break out
40:07No, don't switch with Jen
40:09Switch Jen and Jessie, how about that?
40:11Taylor gets along with everyone
40:13I put Macy in charge of the seating arrangements
40:15because she knows the situation and relationships
40:17with everyone but clearly
40:19she didn't do a good enough job
40:21so I'm taking it upon myself to fix her
40:23seating disaster
40:25It's impossible to seat these people
40:27for some reason
40:29Hello!
40:31This is adorable
40:33This dress was it
40:35Do we have name cards?
40:37Yes, so if you don't like where you're sitting
40:39you better change it ASAP
40:41before people come
40:43I'm gonna swap this real quick
40:45And Whitney, so they can talk
40:47These four love each other
40:49I invited Whitney out to dinner with all the girls to celebrate
40:51because I know she's been wanting to get back into MomTalk
40:53and I think having Whitney around
40:55the group more is a good test to see how
40:57she gets along with everyone in a group setting
40:59Oh my gosh, this is so cool
41:01I'm rooting for Whitney
41:03because I want her to show like, yes, I've changed
41:05I want to come in the group, I want to work on these relationships
41:07and I think everyone deserves a second chance
41:09at the end of the day
41:11Welcome in
41:13Literally three days postpartum
41:15I truly believe that when a group of women come together
41:17like this, there's nothing more powerful
41:19but with Whitney, we're a little nervous
41:21that she's kind of coming back around
41:23and trying to hang out with us again
41:25I think there's a lot of us questioning her intentions
41:27We're not sure if she's trying to be back
41:29in MomTalk for clout, or if her intentions
41:31are sincere
41:33And look at your titties, they're huge
41:35Seriously, like if I leave, they're popping out
41:37Don't be surprised
41:39I'm so happy to be here at Macy's dinner
41:41kindling that relationship
41:43I heard about Layla's Remove the Taboo party
41:45from Jen, and
41:47I was a little surprised to hear that
41:49I wasn't invited. I'd like to think
41:51maybe it's because I just had baby Billy
41:53but I think that like
41:55I'm just not there yet, maybe
41:57I didn't know it was going to be like this
41:59This is cute
42:01Hey guys!
42:03I wasn't sure if I was supposed to knock or what
42:05Hello!
42:07This place is so cute! Thank you
42:09Okay
42:11You guys want to hear why I brought you all here?
42:13Yes! We're dying!
42:15We wanted to celebrate with you guys because I
42:17got a book deal
42:19Like officially?
42:21Yes
42:23So I'm super excited
42:25I've been working on this for so long
42:27and I feel like I'm going to shit
42:29It means so much to you
42:31The reason why I'm running a book
42:33Um
42:35I don't want snot coming out of my nose
42:37This is amazing!
42:39So when I was first pregnant
42:41I didn't know what I was doing with my life
42:43My dad came into my room and he handed this to me
42:45and he said write everything down
42:47the good, the bad, the ugly
42:49when you're mad, when you're sad, when you hate us, when you love us
42:51and maybe one day you can use it to help somebody else
42:53and so I did
42:55and I wrote like the darkest times
42:57of my life in here and that was like
42:59one day I'm going to write a book
43:01and so now it's happening
43:03so I feel like it's just a big full circle moment
43:05and so I'm just, I'm just really excited
43:07because it's probably the biggest goal I've ever had
43:09I am so excited
43:11for Macy that she
43:13has this opportunity to tell her story
43:15in a book, I know it's something she's always
43:17wanted to do
43:19People can be like oh my gosh, like I'm going through the same thing
43:21that's like what we're about in Mom Talk
43:23is sharing all of your things
43:25out to the world
43:27That is seriously so amazing
43:29Thank you so much
43:31I'm really excited
43:33That's how it's emotional because it's just like
43:35oh my trauma
43:37I'm excited to have your shot to tell your story
43:39Thank you guys
43:41So thanks for coming and celebrating and watching me cry
43:45Demi seems a little maybe jealous
43:47but she's trying to hide it
43:49Demi likes to put this up front
43:51that she's like this confident
43:53put together woman
43:55but to be honest I feel like she has more
43:57insecurities than anyone
43:59and she's really good at hiding it
44:01I'm excited to see who will be a best-selling author babe
44:03That's the goal you guys
44:05I'm putting up my vision board so it's going to happen
44:11You guys I have something else exciting going on
44:13I am hosting a celebrity pickleball tournament
44:15in Arizona
44:17What does that mean?
44:19Celebrity pickleball
44:21I guess they're inviting different celebrities
44:23They're playing a pickleball tournament
44:25So are we all playing?
44:27You guys should come
44:29If you want to come
44:31Girls trip
44:33That would be fun
44:35I am co-hosting the USA Pickleball
44:37Celebrity Match in Arizona
44:39and I am so excited and I thought what a better way
44:41to get the girls together and do a little girls trip
44:43I'm already there
44:45Our last girls trip went pretty badly
44:47Girls trip
44:49No boyfriends, no husbands
44:51I did nothing wrong in this situation
44:53So this will be a good way
44:55to do a do over
44:57and hopefully mend friendships
44:59It's a horrible idea
45:01Okay you guys ready?
45:03We're playing a game
45:05I'm confessing everything in this book
45:07So now it's time for you guys to confess
45:09It could be spicy
45:11It could be about yourself
45:13It could be something you've held in that you've never told people
45:15Tell us something of your truth
45:17It's not the truth box
45:19Do we have to guess who wrote it or no?
45:21It's all going to be anonymous
45:23Oh I bet it will
45:25This is full 100% honesty
45:27Okay
45:29Honestly yeah a lot of what she does is trashy
45:31Did I say that?
45:33You're being a bitch
45:35I'm not the one that's going around trying to seduce other people's husbands
45:37I'm just hoping that this is a little bit more light hearted
45:39and it doesn't end in tears
45:41Are you ready for this Miranda?
45:43Is this my initiation?
45:45This is the initiation
45:47Welcome to MomTalk
45:49I feel like I'm the only one that has a brain anymore
45:51You should have it be something that no one knows publicly
45:53This is probably not the best idea
45:55I mean it could be light hearted if you wanted it to be
45:57but also it could stir up some stuff
45:59So many secrets
46:01I was just going to stir up more shit
46:03that I'm going to have to deal with
46:05Okay you guys ready?
46:07You start
46:09This is your night
46:11I am trying to get pregnant
46:13Oh
46:15It's Whitney or Tyler for sure
46:17I once had a man suck on my toes
46:19then I immediately lost it
46:21I've had sex in 5 high school parking lots
46:23Holy shit
46:25Why would you look at me?
46:27She's like every high school I could think of
46:29The first time I swallowed
46:31I threw up immediately after
46:33My favorite place to do it
46:35is in the swimming pool slash hot tub
46:37Hashtag yummy
46:39UTI
46:41I'm like hashtag UTI
46:43Oh no
46:45Oh no
46:47I'm scared
46:49I'm scared
46:51I think Jen is fake
47:01Maybe I am fake
47:03Okay well this escalated quickly
47:05I think the comment is either from Demi, Kayla or Layla
47:09Where are you in Dakota right now?
47:11We're not living together
47:13So are you guys having sex?
47:15It's kind of hard to make passing
47:17When I open the internet
47:19Somebody is making blatantly explicit videos about me
47:21If I want to make videos about you
47:23I can do that
47:25Jen's my new Whitney
47:27At what point are you just
47:29Not going to look like a liar
47:31If they have an issue with me
47:33I would like to confront them
47:35Some things went down in Italy
47:37She was literally playing truth or dare
47:39With a ton of single men
47:41If you ask her about the confession that Macy got
47:43With her and Brandon