The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 2 Episode 2
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00:00Long story short, why now?
00:04The number one thing that held me back
00:06was because I wanted to work out my marriage.
00:08And so I feel like now I am ready to own up to things.
00:13Miranda, she was a swinger.
00:15She was very much involved in the whole situation.
00:17But Miranda and Chase, her husband, during the time
00:20denied everything and tried to make
00:22Taylor to look like a villain.
00:23And so that's why I feel like we all
00:25have a hard time with Miranda.
00:26I definitely think Miranda sees how well Mom Talk is doing.
00:30And now she's just coming on back,
00:31even though she hasn't talked to any of us
00:33for like two and a half years.
00:35It doesn't feel like the intention's pure.
00:36I don't ever think the intention ever will feel pure.
00:39I don't think I have any intention of us
00:40all hanging out in group settings every single weekend.
00:42I believe you.
00:44I trust your intentions.
00:46I know it's not.
00:47It's hard conversations to have.
00:50I don't think one single part of me
00:51wants to hear what Whitney has to say.
00:53I don't really give a shit.
00:54She's not even part of the group.
00:55Mom Talk is my chosen family, and I've
00:57become more protective over it.
00:59So ideally, I would love for Whitney and Miranda
01:02to link up and leave all of us alone.
01:04Girl can dream.
01:06I think it's just when it's all put out there,
01:08and it's like he said, she said.
01:09It's like, OK, well, who's lying to us?
01:10Like, no one wants to be lied to, I think, is the problem.
01:13I wasn't ready to own anything.
01:15Like, the reason I never even brought up the whole, like,
01:17kissing thing and initially, like, wanted to deny that
01:19is because it's still freaking weird.
01:21That wasn't something I wanted to continue doing, right?
01:23This is, like, awkward to talk about.
01:25Like, with the church and, like, family and everything,
01:27like, it still was shameful and uncomfortable to bring up.
01:33I have, like, animosity, I think, with us
01:36because I felt, like, very left by you.
01:38We were like sisters.
01:39I feel like you thought maybe I was leading Chase on when I've
01:43never, like, chased a day in my life, and he knows that,
01:45and that's why he hates me and is obsessed.
01:47But I told him about a dream.
01:49I feel like Miranda thinks I led Chase on while they were still
01:53married because I told him that I had, like,
01:55a sex dream about him.
01:56And honestly, I didn't think anything of it.
01:58Because of what we were doing, that seemed so mild to me.
02:01Like, a sex dream?
02:02Whip-de-do.
02:03I really didn't think a dream was a big deal,
02:06considering we're making out with each other
02:07and touching each other on the weekends.
02:10It felt like it just, like, opened up a space for him
02:13to feel comfortable to say things to you.
02:15Shortly after I told Chase about the sex dream,
02:17Chase came to me at the gym and told me
02:21that he had feelings for me.
02:23And basically, that was him, like, trying to open a door.
02:25And I was like, I, like, am flattered and I appreciate it,
02:27but I do not feel the same.
02:29It just felt very hurtful that, like,
02:30you were telling everyone in our friend group,
02:32but you never told me.
02:33Yeah, that is my bad.
02:34I was being a bad friend of, like,
02:36not immediately going to you and be like,
02:37this is what your husband said.
02:39But I knew I would lose you that day.
02:42It was hard just because it was also, I mean,
02:44I was, like, four months postpartum.
02:46I know.
02:47And I was also, like, um...
02:55I lost my best friend, dude.
02:57Yeah.
02:59I don't think you'd think about the fact that I cared.
03:02But I cared.
03:03Like, I hurt a lot.
03:04I just never wanted to know because I was so mad.
03:07Yeah.
03:08And I completely understand the husband thing
03:11because I feel like as a best friend,
03:12you owe that to your best friend to tell him no matter what.
03:15And that's where I went bad, and I know that.
03:17I appreciate that.
03:19We were so inexperienced.
03:21There was no balance.
03:22There was no discussion.
03:23So lines were blurred.
03:25The girls have this resentment towards her,
03:28and they all stuck by my back.
03:30So it's like almost as I should have that resentment as well.
03:32However, they don't know the extent of the situation.
03:36I think they forget I was also a villain in that story.
03:39There will be a conversation between Miranda
03:41and I without everyone.
03:42I would love that.
03:43It's just me and her.
03:45I've always wanted to get past this.
03:47But I was in a very different place.
03:50There was so much that I literally
03:53did not have it in me to face.
03:56I'm proud of you both.
03:57Just to be able to sit in the same room
04:00and have this conversation, no matter how it goes
04:02and how you move forward.
04:04I guess I never really considered the fact
04:06that Taylor and Miranda were really good friends
04:08before all the fallout happened.
04:10And I could understand why Miranda would miss that
04:12and feel like she's longing for a place.
04:15And them kind of longing to be friends again.
04:19It's been a hell of a couple of years, huh?
04:21Yes, it's been awful.
04:23I was telling them I've become a lot more softer than I was.
04:26Really?
04:27I feel like I can see that.
04:28Yeah, it's made me soft.
04:29And I think we're just more empathetic
04:30because I feel like when people are struggling,
04:32Whitney, for example, has been destroyed on the internet.
04:36And I felt nothing but empathy for her
04:38because yes, you might've made a lot of your own decisions
04:41and pissed a lot of people off.
04:43But I've been in your place.
04:45And when you're kicked while you're down,
04:47freaking sucks and it can make you go insane.
04:50I'm trying to make amends with all of these women.
04:54What we learn in the church is to open our heart, forgive.
04:57Everyone's being cordial,
04:58but I can feel I'm not necessarily wanted here right now.
05:01So it's really nice to have Taylor sticking up for me.
05:04I feel like these little steps are being taken.
05:08I'm really hoping the momentum
05:09and the growth that we're making doesn't stop.
05:12Everyone's like, Whitney freaking hates you, Taylor.
05:14But I just want people to know
05:16that I've been there at the fucking bottom,
05:19kicked, and it sucks.
05:21Well, I don't hate you, but I appreciate that.
05:25Just wanted everyone in the room to know that too.
05:27Taylor's preaching to me.
05:29I love it.
05:30Amen.
05:31Hallelujah.
05:32Get her a name tag.
05:34Just kidding.
05:36I'm kind of confused because I feel like we still
05:39didn't get to the bottom of this swinging scandal tonight.
05:41Miranda skirted around the issue a lot.
05:44So I'm throwing a Halloween party next week.
05:45So I think I need to expand my guest list.
05:48Miranda's ex-husband, Chase, is dating my friend.
05:50So not only am I going to invite him,
05:52I invited Miranda too.
05:54I think that trust is everything in friendships.
05:56And if we don't have trust in mom talk,
05:57we don't have anything.
05:58And I think we'll be able to tell who's lying and who's not
06:01if we get them in the same room.
06:04I'm glad we had a little icebreaker sesh before your party.
06:08Yeah, when is that, by the way?
06:10When is that again?
06:11Next week.
06:12Oh, okay.
06:13We'll see you then.
06:14Bye.
06:15Bye.
06:43Yay.
07:00Suspect is a multi-millionaire,
07:01but still orders a kids meal at every restaurant.
07:10This is so me.
07:11It is so you.
07:12Barbie girl, like, oh wait, these ones are cute too,
07:14like the denim.
07:15No, I love the denim.
07:17Hello.
07:18McKay.
07:20Hello.
07:21Look how cute you look.
07:23I'm super excited for the Halloween party
07:25and I really need to find a costume.
07:27Scott's actually so cute.
07:28I really want that.
07:29And now I'm divorced.
07:30I just got my body redone.
07:32I want to show it off.
07:33I'm also dating somebody new right now.
07:36Cameron is a soccer coach.
07:37He was raised Mormon and his dad is a bishop.
07:41Me and him have been together for about four months now.
07:44He seriously is the best.
07:45He sees me.
07:46He loves me in ways that I didn't think
07:48that anyone could love me.
07:49And I feel confident in myself for the first time
07:52in a really long time.
07:54Hello.
07:54Look who it is.
07:55Hi.
07:56You guys are all the same vibe.
07:58I like went total opposite.
08:00I kind of want to try these.
08:01We need some for stagecoach.
08:02Yeah.
08:03Wait, Jen going to stagecoach, right?
08:05I don't know.
08:05How is she doing?
08:06Taylor was saying Jen told her
08:08that Zach was planning on moving back in their house
08:11and working things out because he's a changed man.
08:14A changed man.
08:15I think it just breaks my heart.
08:16Cause it's like, I just don't know how much better
08:18it can get from that.
08:19And maybe like he really has changed,
08:21but I just feel like he's shown his true character.
08:23And like, I don't, I don't know.
08:25How would you feel if he went to a Magic Mike concert?
08:27Being divorced and taking care of two kids
08:30would be kind of tough.
08:31So I guess you make the decision.
08:33Can we read their entire thread?
08:35I'm done with you.
08:36I'm done with our marriage.
08:39You're disgusting.
08:40He said, I don't love you anymore.
08:41I don't love you.
08:43When it's that bad where like,
08:44you're telling your spouse you don't love them.
08:46No, it's crazy behavior.
08:47You're a bad mom, whatever.
08:48Like there's not many success stories of
08:50it's better than ever after that low of a look.
08:53I think women tend to put up with a lot more
08:55in their marriages in the Mormon church
08:57because it is frowned upon to get divorced.
08:59Maybe there's a little bit of that playing in
09:01with Jen and Zach's relationship.
09:03Jen said it was a trial period.
09:05So it's not, they're just going to test out
09:08the waters, I guess, and see if he's actually changed.
09:10And then if not, I'm like,
09:10they're going to kick him out again.
09:13I'll be the last one standing.
09:16I'll see you on the other side.
09:32I'm staying here.
09:34Got one, got one.
09:36There you go.
09:38Damn.
09:39Oh, nice dude.
09:39You see that one?
09:40Yeah, I did.
09:42I can see why you guys do this.
09:44It's relaxing, isn't it?
09:46Yeah, dude.
09:47That's why I do it.
09:48I'm from Idaho.
09:49So I like love fly fishing.
09:51It's like therapy for me.
09:53Oh shit, shit.
09:55With everything that's going on with Taylor,
09:57I just wanted to hang out with my friends
10:00and just like clear my head.
10:01And we're just trying to chill.
10:03So Dakota, what's going on with you and Taylor now?
10:05Yeah, things have been like super rough,
10:08but like I get why like everything I did
10:10like hurt her 10 times more.
10:12I just screwed up.
10:13Like I freaking lied.
10:14I don't know, dude.
10:15I just, I just feel for my son.
10:17I've never been a dad.
10:18It's like the most important thing ever
10:19to me in my life right now.
10:21And I feel like I'm like losing that.
10:25Oh, freak.
10:27Co-parenting and living alone, fuck.
10:30Like just trying to navigate all this.
10:33That's been challenging for me.
10:35I messed up and I wish I could go back and change that
10:38because I love Taylor more than anyone.
10:40That's where I have to come in and start showing her.
10:44I want to make things right.
10:45I want to fix this and I'm willing to do whatever it takes.
10:51But I do feel like Taylor's parents have been there for me
10:53even with our situation right now.
10:55Like Leanne just invited me to a barbecue
10:58at her place this weekend.
10:59If you can come for dinner, that would be great.
11:03I appreciate you inviting me.
11:04Jared and I both wanted to sit down with you and-
11:06Are you going to be here?
11:09Yeah, Jeremy, I'll be there.
11:10You better, pussy.
11:15Hey Zach, you just barely moved back?
11:17Yeah, like five days ago.
11:19Have you liked being back so far?
11:22Yeah, it's been good.
11:23We've been doing ketamine therapy together.
11:25You're kidding me.
11:26Yeah, more than anything, I'm just back to support Jen.
11:29So like the whole Chippendale thing,
11:31how would you have operated differently?
11:33What I did was wrong.
11:34And like, I have to live with the repercussions of that
11:36the rest of my life.
11:39It's just been a good time for me to like look inside
11:41and kind of see what changes I need to make.
11:44Oh shit.
11:45Sorry, Zach, give me just a second.
11:47This is some bullshit I'm dealing with.
11:49Are you guys still going to church and everything?
11:52I'm not currently going now.
11:54Jen still wants to go and I think eventually we will.
11:57Interesting.
11:58Okay, so that's more from your side.
11:59Yeah, it's 100% me.
12:01Wait, whoa, that is crazy, dude.
12:03I feel not accepted.
12:04I also feel honestly embarrassed.
12:06We've had like a couple nasty interactions
12:08with people.
12:09At church?
12:09Yeah.
12:10Dude, that's like exactly what I had to go through.
12:13I get death threats from women all the time.
12:15Yeah, I probably had 50 to 100 DMs saying
12:18like you deserve to die.
12:19Like if I saw you in person, I'd kill you.
12:21Jeez.
12:22You know, if you have like a good relationship with God
12:24and you're trying to figure it out with him,
12:25I don't think anything else matters.
12:26100%.
12:27Yeah.
12:29I really like all the husbands.
12:30We have a weird bond.
12:32We kind of all are in this similar situation.
12:34Sometimes it's nice to be with them
12:36and just like vent to each other about like the wives.
12:39Jen asked me to give Jesse and Demi an apology.
12:42Probably won't be the funnest conversation,
12:44but for us to heal in our marriage,
12:46I think it needs to happen.
12:47I'm just hoping to move past this whole situation.
12:50So how come all the Utah boys are catching fish
12:52and the Idaho boy?
12:53I already caught, dude, I had a couple on.
12:55Oh, I didn't see it.
12:56Yeah, I caught one and then, oh shit.
13:00The guy's pouring his guts out.
13:01Hasn't caught one fish.
13:03You know I can't multitask, dude.
13:05Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
13:21Oh, okay.
13:23Let's do this.
13:24I've never been up against someone's husband, so.
13:26I know.
13:26This is a new feeling.
13:28This is so interesting.
13:28Give me Whitney all day, every day,
13:29but this is different.
13:31Apparently Jen has asked Zach to meet with me and Demi.
13:34I definitely feel like they're better off apart,
13:36but I guess if this is gonna help Jen, I'm all for it.
13:39So I'm curious to see how this goes.
13:42Jen told me that it was like after a ketamine session
13:46that he's like, I want to meet with them.
13:47So maybe he had like visions about this.
13:49I don't know.
13:50Visions of boring?
13:51Yeah.
13:52He's like, I need to meet with my Lord and Savior.
13:55I don't know, I just feel.
13:56Jessie!
13:58His Lord and Savior, us.
14:01We are.
14:07I'm nervous going into this conversation
14:09with Demi and Jessie.
14:10They can both be very aggressive.
14:11I don't know if they're gonna accept my apology,
14:13but I want to show Jen how much I support her.
14:16And I feel like whoever Jen decides to be friends with,
14:18I want her to feel that support.
14:20But yeah, they spread a lot of rumors and lies about me.
14:22For that reason, I'm a little bit scared
14:24about how this conversation is gonna go.
14:27Are we ready to do this?
14:29All right, girl power.
14:30Power to the pussy.
14:35Hello.
14:35Hi, guys.
14:36Hi, how are you?
14:37Good.
14:38Good to see you.
14:39Thanks for coming, guys.
14:40Thanks for having us.
14:41We were so surprised you chose the coffee shop.
14:42This feels like a business meeting.
14:43I know.
14:44I know, I was like, it kind of feels like an interview.
14:45Yeah, it does.
14:46It's you against me.
14:47You're like, what are your good qualities?
14:50What do you struggle with?
14:51We know what you struggle with, but just kidding.
14:54Thanks, Jessie, I appreciate that.
14:56But thank you guys for coming.
14:58I mean, I feel like there's been some weird contention
15:00and things ever since Vegas.
15:02I said some super hurtful things to Jen.
15:05Gambling and then complaining about Chippendales
15:07is like, I look like the biggest hypocrite in the world.
15:10I could have easily just been like, hey, I'm bummed out,
15:12but I get you were having fun,
15:13you were being a supportive friend,
15:14and I didn't, and I regret that.
15:18I'm grateful for what you guys said.
15:19Honestly, it has been transformative for our marriage,
15:24because then it's helped us have
15:25some of the hardest conversations we've ever had.
15:27What is going on right now?
15:29He is doing a full 180,
15:32and I was not expecting this at all.
15:34I just wanted to address with you, Demi.
15:36Watching it back, I was like, damn,
15:38like she was talking major shit on me.
15:41Major truth, not shit.
15:43Just calling out the behavior, that's all.
15:44Some things, like for example,
15:46you said I gambled my medical school tuition.
15:48Just so you know, that's a blatant lie.
15:49Well, that came from Jen, though.
15:50We were told this.
15:51Jen told us that the night before,
15:53when I was reading the text.
15:54I don't want to throw Jen into this,
15:56because I just want to take accountability.
15:58Well, is that true or false?
16:00That is 100% a blatant lie.
16:04I would have never just made that up,
16:05or like brought that up if I didn't think
16:08that that was the truth.
16:08And that also goes into what we thought about you,
16:10because we have been told certain things,
16:12so that kind of just played into the mindset we had
16:14when it comes to you.
16:16I think what scares me is when she's like,
16:17he has to learn, he can't be a narcissist,
16:19and we're like, what?
16:20Like, she just uses language that's a little scary.
16:23I have never seen anyone take accountability like he has,
16:29especially having those narcissistic traits that he carries.
16:33Because a lot of times, it's not just environmental,
16:35it's like passed down genetically.
16:39To me, I guess I thought those were conversations
16:41you were having.
16:42Yeah, I thought that was pretty harsh
16:43coming from your partner.
16:46I don't feel like that's who I am,
16:48and that's like not who I want to be.
16:50There's always been an element of Jen
16:52where I don't fully trust what she's saying.
16:54I feel like not a lot of it is sincere or genuine,
16:56and I blamed it on the relationship.
16:58She's not sure what to say or how to say it
17:00because how Zach will react.
17:02But now that I'm hearing these things, I'm like,
17:03is she just not trustworthy as a person?
17:05Does she not like confrontation,
17:07and she doesn't like to make people upset,
17:09so she tells everyone what they want to hear?
17:11I'm really, really confused.
17:13She's expressed to me that you guys
17:17were so there that night,
17:18but then no one in the group has been there since.
17:20That's what pisses me off,
17:22because I have texted her.
17:23I have texts I can show you.
17:24I love you.
17:24Do you need anything?
17:25But she doesn't respond.
17:26She doesn't respond to us.
17:27I've tried, so for her to say that, it sucks.
17:29I only have Jen's perspective.
17:31I don't know what you guys have or haven't done,
17:32and obviously, I'm gonna take my wife's side,
17:35because that's what I'm supposed to be about.
17:35For sure, it sounds like a pattern.
17:37We've only had Jen's perspective, too, on you,
17:40and it seems like it's not matching up,
17:41which is concerning.
17:43Things are adding up when it comes to Jen.
17:45It sounds like she is spinning things in her favor,
17:48like she's playing both sides, and I don't like that.
17:50If it turns out that the things that Zach is saying is true,
17:54then she absolutely needs to be held accountable for that.
17:57It sounds like I have some tough conversations
18:00I need to have with my own wife.
18:01Yeah.
18:21Oh, my God.
18:35Hello.
18:36Oh, you look so cute.
18:39Oh, hey, buddy.
18:41Look at his little eyes.
18:42Sweet, I want him.
18:44Now we just need Dakota to show up.
18:48Did you know he was coming?
18:49Did I tell you?
18:53I don't care.
18:53Yes, you do care.
18:54Yeah, you do.
18:55Because you would have already been gone if you didn't care.
18:58Ever since Jenna and finding out everything I have,
19:00I feel like I am really struggling.
19:03Dakota and I, we have lack of communication,
19:06and it's affecting our co-parenting,
19:08but it's hard because my parents really want us
19:12to give our all before we say we quit.
19:15So what are you going to be for Halloween?
19:17Oh, I am Gretchen Wieners.
19:21From Mean Girls?
19:22Yeah.
19:23Are you a slutty Gretchen, or are you going to be just?
19:27I'm a cat, so I'm pretty covered.
19:29So pretty boring.
19:33So who's all going to the party?
19:35I wish I could go.
19:36So you can be friend Chase and talk to him?
19:38Yeah, I don't know why you like Chase.
19:40They're nice to me.
19:41Why should I be mean to anybody that's not nice?
19:43I like everybody.
19:44Because they treated your daughter like shit.
19:45I don't understand.
19:47My mom's a real estate agent, and she
19:49was Chase and Miranda's realtor when they were still married.
19:51And for some reason, she will always stay in touch with them.
19:54It's just I'm not surprised, either,
19:56because she's always his way.
19:57Do you care that I talk to Chase or Miranda?
19:59I don't have the capacity to be worrying
20:01about that type of shit when I have my own shit, you know?
20:05Oh, my god.
20:14My goal is always to be with Taylor,
20:17to have our family together.
20:19And I think the only way to have a lasting relationship
20:22is you have to get really good at forgiving each other
20:25and not go backwards.
20:26I want to truly try to go forward.
20:30Hello?
20:31Who is it?
20:32You know who it is.
20:33Oh, for hell's sakes.
20:34Your favorite friend.
20:36Oh, well, there's the big guy.
20:37Yeah.
20:38Oh, hi.
20:43Hi, Brynn.
20:43Hi.
20:44Taylor.
20:45Hi.
20:46Oh, Everett, don't touch the corn.
20:47Yeah, I guess Everett's going to touch the corn.
20:49Oh, we're doing it down there.
20:51Yeah.
20:52Oh, I thought it was out here.
20:53OK.
20:54I'm going to go take these in.
20:55Let me go take something out.
20:56You want to grab that corn so bad, don't you?
20:59You want to grab the cookies, one of you?
21:01Yeah.
21:04Oh.
21:06Does anybody want any corn?
21:09I'm good right now.
21:09Thank you, though.
21:16You're just so quiet, like you're just so closed off.
21:19I'm at loss for words.
21:20You guys were together and then not together,
21:23and then what's today?
21:24What's today looking like, I guess?
21:27I don't know, not.
21:28It's just so exhausting going back and forth, back and forth,
21:31on, off.
21:32It's not good.
21:32We're all tired of it, like really.
21:34It's obvious.
21:35You guys started your relationship
21:36on a foundation of shit.
21:38Yeah.
21:38I agree.
21:39Be honest.
21:40You didn't heal from your divorce.
21:42You had a ton of baggage.
21:43It's hard because you guys have a damn kid now.
21:46Yeah.
21:48I always cry at these things, too.
21:50I actually am.
21:52Shows you're a good human.
21:55Look, a relationship isn't 50-50.
21:59It's 100% on both ends.
22:01It feels like there's a little bit lacking on one end.
22:05It's going to take me a while to get there.
22:07I hear he slept with another girl.
22:08He admitted it.
22:09I was so sad that I needed space.
22:11He went and hooked up with Jenna that very night, I found out,
22:14and was bawling my eyes out.
22:15During the time when I slept with the girl,
22:17I hung with Taylor three times or two times.
22:20Two nights after that, he goes, and Taylor,
22:22you're pretty much the only girl I'm seeing.
22:24I'm trash to him.
22:25You come over the next night, fuck me,
22:28and then you go and you hang out with another girl,
22:30and then he comes the next night and fucks me again.
22:32Well, OK, OK, OK.
22:34I wasn't lying to you about someone else.
22:36Here's the thing.
22:37I'm going to be blunt, freaking honest.
22:40He just told me that you guys had
22:42seen each other three times.
22:43I don't know Taylor.
22:44Before all this.
22:45And then you're sitting there telling me that he came over
22:48and had sex with you?
22:49What does that say about you?
22:53I'm not pointing fingers.
22:55You guys.
22:56That's what I'm saying.
22:57I was trash.
23:00I know.
23:01No, no, no.
23:02I'm saying there you go.
23:05I guess what I'm hearing is you deserve what you got because
23:08you gave it up so easily.
23:09That's what I hear.
23:10And when you hear your parents say that,
23:12like, why were you expecting to be respected?
23:15It hurts.
23:19I just confirmed my insecurities and my beliefs about myself.
23:22No, I'm saying, no, hey, you're not leaving.
23:25Yes, you did.
23:26No self-respect.
23:28I hate me.
23:29What I'm saying.
23:30Let me finish.
23:31I feel like it's at my lowest.
23:32Let me finish.
23:33And the hardest.
23:34You guys both had so much baggage.
23:39Because I know.
23:40I know I didn't have self-respect.
23:42It doesn't change that when you lie and you go hook up
23:44with another girl while you're apologizing.
23:46It's so fucking hard.
23:47I know, but you're supposed to give the other person
23:48the benefit of the doubt.
23:49I just found all these outlines that I was fucked over.
23:53And no one is saying, oh, get over it right now.
23:55Well, stop saying it.
23:56No, you can't say it.
23:57Sacrifice it just for a little bit.
24:00He was asking her to hang out in the day,
24:01and I was only nights.
24:03This is driving me nuts when she's saying this shit.
24:06That's the biggest lie I've ever seen in my life.
24:08And I'm not going to let you keep saying that lie to me.
24:10Stop saying that lie to me, because that is not true.
24:13And when you're asking me to come over at night,
24:16all the time, what is that telling me as a guy?
24:20Why did I have to ask that?
24:23Because I've already told you.
24:24Taylor, you're forgetting that I'm
24:26coming from a very broken place, too.
24:28That matters.
24:28You can't just disregard the shit that I just went through
24:32and where I was at in my life here.
24:33OK, but you knowing that, then don't come into my life
24:36and pretend to be pretty charming.
24:37So why did you want to come into my life?
24:38Oh, my God.
24:39Taylor, give an inch so he could walk a mile.
24:41Just give fucking two inches of sacrifice
24:45and see what he can do.
24:48Why are you guys all coming at me?
24:50I feel very unheard, judged.
24:54Like, let's move on.
24:56Let's get over it.
24:57And I'm like, in what world am I supposed to just let this go?
25:02You guys, it takes a season to grow anything.
25:05I just think that you need to forgive yourself.
25:08That's where it all comes down to,
25:10because you guys weren't really together to me.
25:13And yes, you shouldn't have slept with him.
25:14And that's why we always tell you, like,
25:17that's not the fucking point.
25:20He lied.
25:20Yes, that is so wrong.
25:22But you weren't together.
25:24So what are you saying right now?
25:25What does that mean to you?
25:25I'm just saying, like, you need to go through therapy
25:29and give him some grace.
25:32If you love him, then it's worth trying.
25:35Family is something that I strongly believe in.
25:37That's exactly my whole point.
25:39I have still chose to stick through this
25:43and try to figure this out.
25:44You know it, too.
25:45And that's why it drives me nuts,
25:46is because you do know how much I care and love you, Taylor.
25:50Dude, I have a child with you.
25:51All I've wanted is a family.
25:53Why do I want to come here and blast this to the world?
25:56OK, OK.
25:57Who wants to do that?
25:58Stop.
25:58You guys are not going anywhere.
26:00Honestly, I think you guys need to be separated
26:02and stay separated.
26:04You need to work.
26:05Focus on you.
26:06You need to keep going to therapy.
26:07And you need to give yourself grace.
26:10You carry so much guilt with your kids and what happened.
26:14Now you have Ever.
26:15And he can feel tension in the house
26:17when you guys are together.
26:18You can tell.
26:19And it's just, you need to do what's best for him.
26:21And I'm sorry, it's staying separated right now.
26:26If God really did send him to you,
26:29he will bring him back to you.
26:30It's you and Satan in your own head.
26:33And it's eating you alive.
26:34Put it in God's hands, because I honestly
26:36think it'll blossom after.
26:38I think I was punished for what I did.
26:40Oh my gosh, Taylor.
26:42No, I think it was, I'm going to let
26:44you feel what you did to somebody.
26:45No.
26:46God is not like that.
26:47I didn't cheat on you.
26:48I'm sorry, but God is not like that.
26:50It is betrayal, but I don't think that we're
26:53getting anywhere right now.
26:54I have to work in the morning, so.
26:56So get out.
26:57So no, not get out, but let's, if we
27:01can say a prayer since we didn't pray before we ate.
27:06Dear Congressional Assembly Father,
27:07we're so grateful for this night.
27:09We're so grateful to have Dakota and Taylor be able to try
27:14to figure things out.
27:16And please bless that they can love one another,
27:19and we're grateful for our family.
27:22Sometimes we don't all get along, but we're grateful.
27:25And I say this name of Jesus Christ, amen.
27:30As angry and mad as I am, shutting the door
27:33is just not going to happen right now.
27:39I feel like I still obviously have lots of feelings towards
27:43I do love Dakota.
27:44That's why I'm in so much pain.
28:12I am your mama.
28:15Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh.
28:19Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh.
28:22It's important for me that Zach makes peace
28:24with Jessie and Demi, because I feel
28:27like a lot of the resentment they have towards me
28:31is actually because of the resentment
28:34they have towards Zach.
28:35Hi, babe.
28:36Hi, how did it go?
28:38Um, that was a little rough.
28:41Oh, no.
28:42You want to come sit right here?
28:44So they were basically like, Zach,
28:48the reason we have such negative feelings towards you
28:50is every time we're with Jen, all it is is negativity.
28:54All she says is how horrible you are, how narcissistic you are.
28:58You're kidding me right now.
29:00And I clarified, like, a lot of, like,
29:01lies and things that had been said about me.
29:03And they're like, well, that's what we had heard.
29:05Like, I haven't really talked to them at all since Vegas.
29:08So in fact, they've never even reached out to me.
29:10So they also called you out for that.
29:13So let me just.
29:13Called me out.
29:14Yes.
29:16Didn't feel like it was like a, hey,
29:18how do we squash our beef to then support Jen?
29:20It kind of felt like it was everyone, not.
29:24Against Zach.
29:25No, against you, to be honest.
29:27Against me.
29:28It just bums me out, sweetie, because I've made mistakes.
29:32That being said, it's like, I feel
29:33like I'm so careful with my friends about the way,
29:37like, because there's negative things that you do.
29:40But I would never tell, like, Colin or Jackson
29:41are my best buddies, these things,
29:42because I don't want them to have this one-sided opinion.
29:45I don't want to vent to them about my marriage.
29:47All I've done since Vegas is defend you
29:49on social media with my friends.
29:51At the same time, I'm also not defending your actions.
29:55But I have defended you and our relationship more times
29:59than you can even count.
30:01And do you know how many people have made me felt, like,
30:03delusional for doing that?
30:06And the crap that I've been through for defending you
30:09and your actions?
30:10If you don't trust them, then please
30:13don't go share all the negativity about our marriage.
30:17I mean, the fact that they're saying that makes me so,
30:21whoa, wait, you're not listening to me.
30:22Let me speak.
30:23You spoke for five minutes.
30:25Hear me out.
30:25Will I admit that there are times I talked negatively
30:29about you before Vegas?
30:31Yes.
30:32They said it's continued.
30:33No, no.
30:34In fact, they haven't been a part of my life after Vegas.
30:37I'm definitely triggered, because Zach
30:40went there to apologize in the first place,
30:42and now it's turned back on me.
30:44I need to have a conversation with the girls,
30:46because I feel like if they truly valued me as a friend,
30:49they wouldn't be turning my husband against me.
30:51I just want to squash everything and get
30:54to the bottom of all of this.
30:56I would be happy to sit down with you and them.
31:00Yeah.
31:00I want to be straightforward about everything,
31:02and I don't want to be playing telephone.
31:03Like, I want everyone in the room.
31:04That's what it felt like, is a lot of he said, she said.
31:06And I'm not playing the he said, she said anymore,
31:08and I think it would be best if we were all in the same room.
31:31So I kind of thought this could be, like,
31:33a centerpiece for food.
31:34That'll be cute.
31:35Are you amped?
31:37I'm nervous.
31:37Look how cute.
31:39Spooky.
31:40That's going to go out front, right?
31:41Yeah.
31:42Oh, they're here.
31:44Hello.
31:45We've got ourselves in.
31:46Welcome to our home.
31:47Jordan and I are having a Halloween party,
31:49and we are having Brett and Demi over today.
31:51We had this idea to surprise everyone
31:54with a Chippendales performance starring Brett and Jordan.
31:57I think it's a chance for Zach to show that he's really changed
32:00and to just embrace this and be able to move forward.
32:04I mean, do you think this ends good?
32:05I know you're saying it's a coin flip,
32:06but what's your premonition to that?
32:08I don't know.
32:09They're like, stop yapping.
32:10For his sake, I hope, obviously, that he reacts.
32:13Normally.
32:14As though he's evolved.
32:15Do you think you're a little bit of a poster?
32:17I think I'm a therapist.
32:18It's going to be crazy, though, like,
32:19getting everyone in one room.
32:21I heard that you're inviting Kate.
32:23Is she bringing Chase?
32:25I think so.
32:26Jessie inviting Chase to the Halloween party
32:29is so messy because everyone has literally
32:32hooked up with everyone.
32:33We had Taylor, who was married to her ex-husband.
32:36They swung with Miranda and Chase.
32:39Chase fell in love with Taylor.
32:41But Taylor didn't reciprocate those same feelings for Chase.
32:45So Chase got butt hurt, and he's been bashing her
32:48online ever since.
32:49Now, Chase is dating one of Jessie's friends, Kate.
32:53But also, Layla and Chase hooked up.
32:55So this is just going to end so bad.
32:58I'm nervous about it.
32:59In a normal world, I would never put these people
33:02together in one room.
33:03But how else are we going to get to the bottom of Miranda's
33:05involvement in the swinging scandal?
33:07Like, if you want to come back into Mom Talk,
33:09you have to be willing to tell the truth.
33:14Oh my gosh, he's here, you guys.
33:15One of you broke out into a dance right now.
33:17How's it going? Hey, guys.
33:17How's it going? Good.
33:18Jordan.
33:19Jason.
33:19Jason, nice to meet you.
33:20Brett.
33:20Jason, nice to meet you guys.
33:22I think I oiled you up at one point.
33:23Yeah, there was a little bit of that backstage.
33:26We've flown in an actual host of Chippendales.
33:31He's going to teach them not only a choreographed dance,
33:34but be there with them in the performance.
33:36Brett is going to look so sexy.
33:39We might need to implement this at home.
33:41Can you guys take off your shirts for this?
33:43Yeah, I think we need the shirts off.
33:44Oh, boy.
33:45Just giving it a little bit.
33:48And then, no, no, no.
33:49No, no, no.
33:51Yeah, you got to roll it.
33:52Yeah, I like that.
33:53Oh, I don't like that.
33:54Yeah, I can't get you to dance.
33:55That's not it.
33:58So Jen's going to be the guest of honor.
34:00She'll be right here.
34:01We're going to give Jen the full Chippendales experience.
34:03And it's not the full experience if she
34:05doesn't get a lap dance, right?
34:07Time to go.
34:08Roll, roll.
34:10Woo!
34:10Woo!
34:14Next.
34:14You've got to get ready.
34:15I guess I'm going in for this, too, then.
34:17Woo!
34:18Go for it.
34:18Just let it go.
34:19And then you have to kiss her.
34:20All of you.
34:21Woo!
34:22I am a Chippendale.
34:24Woo!
34:25Woo!
34:25That was incredible.
34:26I think that's good.
34:27And then after that, then it can just
34:29be, like, freestyle for a second.
34:30Yeah.
34:31Have fun with it, right?
34:32Yeah.
34:32Oh, boy.
34:33I'm kind of nervous.
34:35This is either going to be the best Halloween
34:36party ever or the worst.
34:40I think you guys did a great job.
34:41I know we need a lot more practice.
34:42I mean.
34:43Ha ha ha.
34:54Hi, guys.
34:55Welcome in.
34:56We have our jammies and newborn in this first cubby.
34:58So you guys look around.
35:00You already see something.
35:00Look at the little bats.
35:02So cute.
35:03Oh, my god.
35:04It's adorable.
35:05Tomorrow.
35:06Ha ha ha.
35:08Look at the ghosts.
35:09I like the bats more.
35:10OK.
35:11With everyone and mom talk, it's clear that there's
35:13still some drama, animosity.
35:17There's tension right now.
35:18So you're still thinking it's a boy?
35:20Yes.
35:21I still think it's a girl.
35:22But lucky me.
35:23I can't afford being involved in any big drama anymore.
35:26Saved by the baby.
35:28God bless.
35:30Good luck tomorrow.
35:31We'll be praying for you.
35:34See you later.
35:35Oh, they're here.
35:48I am sweating.
35:50It's like really not any of our business,
35:51but we've been brought into it.
35:52No, that's what I feel like right now.
35:54I'm like, I'm going to throw up.
35:55Like, I shouldn't be in this conversation.
35:57I know.
35:58Today, Jen and Zach are coming over.
36:00Jen unexpectedly reached out to Demi and I.
36:02And I'm wondering if it's about our conversation with Zach.
36:06I only have Jen's perspective.
36:07I don't know what you guys have or haven't done.
36:09Sounds like a pattern.
36:10We've only had Jen's perspective, too, on you.
36:12And it seems like it's not matching up.
36:14I think all of us left confused and wondering
36:17what the truth was, because Jen's telling
36:19him one thing and us another.
36:21Between Miranda and Jen, we seem to be
36:22dealing with so many lies and mom talk lately.
36:25And that's not a good feeling.
36:27You're going to wait for me?
36:29Sorry, I'm not wasting time.
36:32OK.
36:33Do we wave?
36:34What's the vibe?
36:35This is so comfy.
36:35I'm not looking.
36:36I hate it.
36:37I hate it.
36:38I hate it.
36:39I hate it.
36:39Hi.
36:40Hi.
36:41Oh, hey.
36:42You look all dressy.
36:43It definitely hurt hearing that Jesse and Demi were talking
36:48negatively about me to my husband.
36:51It makes me question if they're really on my side
36:54and if they really support me as a friend.
36:56If they have an issue with me, I
36:57would like them to confront that.
37:01Where is everyone at now?
37:02I just told Jen the truth.
37:03I told her, yeah, the girls basically said,
37:06when you're with them, you're talking bad about me.
37:09I guess we could just start there.
37:10Do you feel like you've only heard negative from me?
37:12Because I feel like the past six months, all I've talked about
37:14is the progress that we've made.
37:16I mean, I've had moments where I've confided in you
37:18because I trust you.
37:19But my truth is, our relationship is up and down.
37:22No, no.
37:23I feel like it's correct for you to say that all I've ever
37:27said was negative things.
37:30It's interesting to me that Jen is
37:31so upset with the involvement of everyone in her marriage
37:35when she was the one that brought everyone
37:37into her marriage and into those problems.
37:40We definitely still have, like, our tough days where, like,
37:42we just aren't on the same page.
37:44He just started questioning me and my character.
37:47It's just so frustrating.
37:50This could be the difference between us
37:52either breaking generational trauma or me leaving him.
37:56You are putting all of this out to the world,
37:58and then you're getting upset when we have opinions.
38:01Our opinion is being formed by what we're hearing,
38:03is what we were saying.
38:04I was being told that you gambled money that was being
38:06given to you by family, which apparently is not true,
38:09which I would like clarification on that because I would have
38:11never said that if that wasn't told to me.
38:13Yeah.
38:13He, I mean, maybe you want to clarify.
38:17That I, babe.
38:19OK, I mean, we can get into that if that's what you want.
38:21But I would appreciate if you would just tell them the truth.
38:24And that is not the truth.
38:28No, he didn't gamble money that his parents sent us.
38:31Had I gambled money behind Jen's back?
38:33Yes.
38:34And had I sports bet behind her back?
38:35I think I had clarified.
38:37I don't remember telling you.
38:38What the fuck, Jen?
38:40Zach didn't gamble away the money that was given
38:42to him for medical school?
38:44That was a big reason why we all were so worried
38:47about her and her relationship.
38:49I don't even know what to believe right now.
38:53If you had the right intentions, you
38:55wouldn't have then continued to talk
38:57bad about my relationship.
39:00Every conversation we have, am I not?
39:02Trust your gut.
39:03Do what's best for you.
39:05Am I ever like, leave his ass.
39:06He's a horrible person.
39:08I'm majority of the time, team, figure it out.
39:12Team, marriage.
39:13Yes or no?
39:14I know from your guys' perspective,
39:15you think you guys have been good friends to Jen.
39:17Her reality, she doesn't feel that way.
39:20I didn't feel like anyone was there for me.
39:22I sent you a text that said, I have a feeling that I should
39:25check in on you right now.
39:25I love you.
39:26I hope you're doing OK.
39:27I also sent you a voice memo and said, I love you.
39:29I hope you're doing OK.
39:30And you kind of like, ghost us.
39:32Like, you don't really.
39:33I disagree, because after Vegas.
39:34You can't disagree.
39:35It's a fact.
39:35I checked in on you, Jen.
39:37Jen, I literally, oh my god.
39:39I am going to lose my mind.
39:43I have reached out to her multiple times.
39:44I've sent her voice memos, texts.
39:46She would respond to me like, four or five days later,
39:48just like, thanks, love you.
39:50So to say I wasn't there is a lie.
39:53You chose to remove yourself.
39:54But rightfully so, because I confided with you
39:58as a friend that I trusted.
39:59I didn't expect that you were going to then exploit
40:01this information.
40:02And then you told the whole group.
40:04And then it was the whole group against me.
40:06How could I turn to you after that?
40:08If you had come to me, because you have, after Italy,
40:11you did come to me.
40:12And I could easily talk about that, which I'm not going to.
40:14About what?
40:16Just everything that happened in Italy.
40:18What happened in Italy?
40:20Well, just how, after Italy, Brett was crying to you.
40:24And no, he wasn't.
40:26Was he at the hotel room?
40:27He was like, you have nothing to worry about.
40:30Some of the girls and I took a trip to Italy
40:32to go to Vanderpump Villa.
40:34And one of the guys, specifically Marciano,
40:36was like, super flirtatious.
40:38And I felt like I handled it the best that I could.
40:41Truly did nothing wrong.
40:42I genuinely feel like Jen is just grasping at straws.
40:45I feel like she almost wants me to be in trouble
40:47or for there to be an issue with me and Brett.
40:50And the issue is not there.
40:52She's trying to just hide behind what's going on with her
40:55and all of the lies that she's telling
40:57that are coming to light and try to take the heat off of her.
41:02Jen, I'm not coming at your husband just to come at him.
41:05It's because I've been in a situation like this.
41:07And I'm trying to be there for you because I love you.
41:10For so long, I was team Jen against Zach.
41:13And now Jen's showing erratic behavior and starting to lie
41:16and showing what kind of friend she is.
41:18And I don't think that's good for mom talk.
41:20I think there's a lot of things
41:21this group needs to deal with.
41:22OK, here comes mom.
41:43I got this outfit.
41:45Is it supposed to be like a naughty nurse or something?
41:47Yes, it's supposed to be naughty.
41:48But like it's, I'm literally, like if I let go of this,
41:51this whole thing is going to come down.
41:53You have always told me that your fantasy
41:55was for me to dress up as a doctor.
41:56So I see what you're going for.
41:58After talking to Jesse and Demi,
42:01I don't know where my friendship stands with them
42:04and if I can trust them.
42:05Oh my gosh, that's stupid.
42:08But I'm definitely not going to let that stop me
42:09from going to the Halloween party.
42:11Hopefully, we can just have a good time.
42:15Do you have any others?
42:18This is your Halloween party, so I'm just
42:20going to be there to support.
42:21Wait, we could be J-Lo and Ben Affleck.
42:24He is your second cousin, so like.
42:26No, he's not.
42:27Yes.
42:28Yes.
42:29OK, if that's what you want to keep telling people.
42:31I mean, that's what your family told me.
42:33That is not true.
42:34Yes, it is true.
42:36OK.
42:37I think the whole Ben Affleck thing is hilarious.
42:39I feel like if anyone was related to Ben Affleck,
42:41that's something they'd imagine.
42:43With Zach, he's just trying to squash it,
42:47even though his family did tell me that.
42:49What do you mean you're not related?
42:51Why are you sitting like this is a face-off?
42:53Because it is a face-off.
42:54You're not going to make me feel stupid.
42:56I'm not going to get into this.
42:57If that's what you were.
42:58Wait a second, you're not going to make
42:59me feel stupid when that's all I've been told from your family.
43:02I had told you for months.
43:04Do you, but do you truly know if that's true or not?
43:06No, and I never claimed that either, babe.
43:08I told you.
43:09But have you heard that from your family?
43:11Are you going to let me speak or not?
43:12No, have you heard that from your family, yes or no?
43:14I've heard that as a joke.
43:15As no, not as a joke.
43:16No one's ever claimed to have some relationship
43:19with him besides you.
43:20How do you jokingly say that to someone when they're
43:23being married into a family?
43:25I have no idea if I am or am not related to Ben Affleck.
43:29And that had been like a running joke in my family.
43:32It had never been something serious.
43:33And so when Jen started telling people that, I did tell her,
43:37I don't think you should say that anymore.
43:39I think that's probably going to backfire.
43:41Your grandpa was like, yes, like we have met them before,
43:44like a long time ago when he was little or something.
43:46I had also heard that.
43:48You were there.
43:49I had heard that.
43:50So then don't make me feel crazy.
43:51I'm not making you feel crazy.
43:52I'm just saying you ran with it when I said Jen.
43:54Of course I ran with that.
43:55I'm second cousins with Ben Affleck.
43:58You're not.
43:58Or maybe you are.
43:59I don't know.
44:00We don't know.
44:01I feel like this is Jen's battle.
44:02And I guess I'll just leave that for Jen
44:05to share her perspective.
44:08But I'm excited for the Halloween party.
44:10I want to show Jen how much I support her,
44:13even though I don't fully trust Demi and Jessie.
44:15I'm just going to move forward knowing where everyone stands.
44:19Anyways, back to the Halloween costume.
44:21I think that's what we should be for Halloween.
44:22How are you feeling about tonight with Demi and Jessie?
44:27I'm going to these parties to support you.
44:30And this is a group that you want to be associated with.
44:33Therefore, I'm going to be there and be positive.
44:35The conversation with them was tough.
44:38But again, I don't want to continue to do this with them.
44:40I'm trying to leave this up to you.
44:42It's your decision to decide if they're good friends or not.
45:04Do I look like J-Lo?
45:06Nice.
45:07Do you like it?
45:08I like it.
45:09You look so good.
45:11You look like Ben Affleck.
45:13Oh my gosh, this looks so good.
45:16So tonight's the Halloween party.
45:17I'm really excited to have everyone over to my new home.
45:20Jordan and I decided to dress up as Ben Affleck and J-Lo.
45:24Jen and Zac are probably not going
45:26to be too happy about this.
45:27But how was I supposed to know we were going to have
45:29a big fight before the party?
45:30Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
45:35I cannot.
45:37You look so hot.
45:39I think so too.
45:40How's it going?
45:42Hi, everyone.
45:42You look so good.
45:45I'm super excited because I'm bringing
45:46my boyfriend, Cameron, tonight.
45:47This is the first time he's going
45:48to be around all of mom talk.
45:50And I'm really excited for him to kind of just get
45:51integrated into the group.
45:53Come get a drink.
45:54We have food.
45:54We have soda.
45:56Hello.
45:58Thank you for coming.
45:59You guys look so good.
46:02Dakota just texted me.
46:03He's almost here.
46:04Are they coming together?
46:05They got a huge fight last night.
46:06No.
46:07So then he called Dakota.
46:09Well, shit, dude, you know how she is.
46:11Like, I mean, when she's pissed off, dude, she's pissed off.
46:13It's not super enjoyable for me to be around her
46:16when she's angry.
46:17Well, don't be around her.
46:18It's a big party.
46:20You guys have a baby together.
46:21You could be at a party together.
46:22Like, come on.
46:23They need to grow the hell up.
46:29Taylor's here.
46:30Taylor's here.
46:31Taylor's here.
46:31Taylor's coming in.
46:33You look so hot.
46:35So do you.
46:36Do you know who I am?
46:37Let me see.
46:38Look at me and him together.
46:40Am I an idiot?
46:41J-Lo and Ben Affleck.
46:43You're kidding.
46:44We're going to roast Jen and Zach.
46:45You assholes.
46:51Hello.
46:55This is unreal.
47:00Is your ass out?
47:02Woo!
47:03Hey!
47:03Hi.
47:04Hi.
47:06You know Dakota's coming, right?
47:07It's just funny because I, like, I knew he
47:09was going to come regardless.
47:11Really?
47:11You did?
47:12There's no way he's not coming.
47:14Well, I'm like, Chase is coming.
47:16I don't know what Jessie was thinking,
47:18but she invited Dakota, Miranda, and Chase, her ex-husband.
47:22These are people that I am not getting along with,
47:24haven't got along with.
47:25So I feel like this is going to be miserable.
47:27All I see is chaos.
47:29My friend who's dating Chase, she was like,
47:31I tried to test him.
47:32And I was like, oh, I'm really nervous.
47:34I don't think we should go.
47:34And he's like, no, we have to go.
47:36Like, he wants to come sell that.
47:37He's such a freak.
47:43I am so glad that I got invited to Jessie's Halloween party.
47:46I just think that it's another opportunity for me
47:49to connect with everyone and hopefully
47:51deepen those relationships.
47:52Maybe if I'm lucky, I can get in the good graces of these girls
47:55and potentially be back in long time.
48:01Oh, Jen is back right there.
48:03Oh, yeah.
48:04What's up?
48:05Hey, guys.
48:06Hi.
48:07I'm hot this way.
48:08This is hot.
48:09Wait, so we have J-Lo and Ben Affleck,
48:12and then J-Lo and a betta?
48:13Yes.
48:13I freaking love it.
48:16Jessie likes to start shit, clearly.
48:20I think that this is another jab at Jen and I's expense.
48:23And I'm just not really sure why she
48:25feels the need to do that.
48:29Dakota!
48:29Oh!
48:30Oh my god!
48:32Oh my god!
48:34What is he?
48:35He's a bus.
48:36He's a bus?
48:37He's a school bus.
48:38He's a school bus.
48:39I don't get it.
48:40Yeah.
48:40I had the brilliant idea for Dakota to be the bus
48:43that hits Regina George.
48:44Ha.
48:45Oh.
48:46Oh.
48:46Oh.
48:47Excuse me.
48:48I'm sick.
48:49Did you see Dakota yet?
48:50No.
48:51He's here.
48:52Is he?
48:53He can come say hi to me.
48:53He can come to you.
48:54Yeah, I don't go to them.
48:55Like, don't bring him over here.
48:58Who's going to come in next?
48:59I'm stressed.
49:00I'm on edge.
49:01I'm getting, like, anxious.
49:02No, it's Saint.
49:04I really don't know why Jesse decided
49:05to invite all these people.
49:07Because we have all the former swingers in the same room.
49:10It's just going to be a shit show.
49:11I have a feeling that it's going to be bad.
49:14Chase is coming in.
49:15Oh, wait.
49:16And Dakota's right there by the door.
49:19Oh.
49:20I don't like this.
49:22I have a feeling that stuff is about to go down tonight.
49:25Hey, your best friend's here.
49:26Hey, your best friend's pulling up.
49:31If you see me coming, I'm about to get it started.
49:34Oh, it's so good.
49:36I can't believe how good it is.
49:39It's perfect.
49:40Your house is beautiful.
49:41Your dress is gorgeous.
49:43That's what I am.
49:44I just came as me.
49:45I knew it.
49:46I knew it.
49:46No, this is iconic.
49:47This is so good.
49:49Don't look.
49:50I know.
49:51Don't look.
49:51I'm not.
49:52There's a douche bag behind you.
49:54How many?
49:55A lot.
49:58Chase is my ex-husband.
50:00And Kate is his girlfriend.
50:02She's great.
50:03I love her.
50:03I have a good relationship with Chase as well.
50:06But do I want him here at this party?
50:08No.
50:09Go, go, go, go.
50:10Like an animal.
50:13There's Dakota.
50:15Oh, shit.
50:17What's up, dude?
50:18What's up?
50:19How you doing?
50:19How are you doing?
50:20Good, good.
50:21How are you?
50:21Who walks up to me?
50:23Chase.
50:24Comes up and gives me a hug.
50:26I thought it was weird.
50:27But Taylor's already pissed at me.
50:29So I'm trying to be cordial with everyone tonight and not cause problems.
50:33And so this is the first time where I was like, okay, I'm gonna be like super nice.
50:37How's being dad?
50:39Dude, the best thing ever.
50:40Bro, seriously, it's the coolest experience I've ever had in my life.
50:44Is anything happening back there?
50:46Like, who's talking to who?
50:47No, they're fully talking.
50:48Who, Dakota and Chase?
50:49Dakota and Chase are fully talking.
50:50I don't know what they're saying.
50:51What are they saying?
50:51Look at them.
50:52No, they're like giggling.
50:53They're giggling.
50:53They're laughing about shit.
50:54About their son's life.
50:56Dude, I don't know what Taylor thinks, but at the end of the day, like, I don't get why we fucking hate each other.
51:01Did you ask Taylor though if I ever fucked her?
51:03Cause the answer is no.
51:03Yeah, I know.
51:04And anything happen outside of spin the bottle?
51:07No.
51:07I know.
51:07Everyone in the world thinks I fuck her.
51:09I know.
51:09This is sugary.
51:16When Taylor first went online, I hadn't told my parents at this point.
51:19And again, I'm a returned missionary, married in a temple.
51:22So I hadn't told them that I had left the church.
51:24Yeah.
51:24So for us, it was like, oh, deny, deny, deny.
51:26Yeah.
51:27And if I could go back, dude, I'd change that 10 out of 10 times.
51:29Right.
51:30And I wish that's what I could tell Taylor and her family is like, look, I wasn't trying to hit on you.
51:34Yeah.
51:34But the cheating situation was only you.
51:37Chase, he is like pointing and like talking.
51:40Like, I can just tell he's like talking about me.
51:42He keeps pointing at me.
51:43Like, it's triggering and I'm livid.
51:46Excuse me.
51:47Sorry.
51:48Uh oh.
51:49Because they were pointing at her.
51:51Yeah.
51:51I would go up too.
51:52It was my fault.
51:54What are you talking about?
51:55Are you talking about everything?
51:56You're pointing at me.
51:57So, oh, he was saying, we're talking about you.
51:59Good thing.
51:59What are you talking about?
52:01The whole thing.
52:02Yeah.
52:02Okay.
52:03I'll let Chase say it.
52:04Yeah.
52:04I was saying at the end of the day, when people ask me about you and my opinion of you, I say 98% of my interactions with Taylor are extremely positive.
52:12Aspen, your mom, your dad.
52:15I fucking love.
52:16I love you guys.
52:17But also you bring up the lowest point of my life.
52:20So I, in return, bring up the lowest point of yours.
52:22What was your lowest point?
52:23What was your lowest point?
52:24When you announced that we were swingers to the whole universe.
52:27That's your lowest point of your life?
52:28Are you sure?
52:29Yeah.
52:31Look at her turning her head to you.
52:32How do you know what she's like?
52:35What do you think's lower than that?
52:36I won't say it for your sake.
52:38Well, don't bring it up and then not say it.
52:40I'll do whatever the fuck I want.
52:41I know.
52:41I'm just saying.
52:42Don't tell me what to do.
52:43Maybe we should go stand over there.
52:45I actually haven't gotten a drink yet.
52:48Let me explain.
52:49I want to hear that too.
52:49No, go.
52:50Go.
52:51I want to hear that.
52:52Hey, I actually want to hear that.
52:55Are we doing all truth for truth right now?
52:58Are we doing truth for truth?
52:58Go for it.
52:59Did you tell me at the gym you had a sex dream about me?
53:01Yeah.
53:01Okay.
53:02Say that right there.
53:03Hey, they already know that.
53:04I've already talked about that.
53:05Had a sex dream.
53:05Oh my god.
53:06It took two and a half years to bring that up.
53:08Anything else?
53:09Why did it take two and a half years?
53:10It didn't.
53:11What did you tell me at the gym?
53:12What did I tell you at the gym?
53:13Yeah, what did you tell me at the gym?
53:14I said I also had a sex dream.
53:16No.
53:17No.
53:17Okay, let's do truth for truth.
53:18Do you know how fucking awkward this is for me right now?
53:20Tell me what you told me at the gym.
53:21That's exactly what I told you.
53:23Are you sure?
53:24We're not doing truth for truth then.
53:25There you go.
53:26Look at him.
53:26Look at him.
53:27You can tell he's lying.
53:27Did you or not?
53:28No, I never said that.
53:29That whole thing.
53:30Okay, let's just tell he's lying right here.
53:31Dude, I do.
53:32I feel like he just lied right there.
53:33You can see it in you.
53:33I'm not lying.
53:34Why didn't you tell him the truth?
53:36Jordan and Jesse and Demi and Brett went upstairs.
53:39What do we...
53:40Okay, guys, change.
53:41Hurry.
53:42How are we feeling?
53:43What's...
53:45Absolutely terrified, but just going to lean into it like you've never seen before.
53:49Guys, I'm like nervously like getting...
53:50Why am I nervous?
53:51Because there's a lot going on now.
53:53There's a lot going on.
53:54I told you what happened in the gym.
53:55I already told you that.
53:56You just said it's extreme.
53:57That's not true.
53:57Yes, that is true.
54:01And I'll tell you what else happened too.
54:03What do you mean listen to a lot?
54:04I'm not trying to listen to anything.
54:06This is the thing.
54:06This is what the internet...
54:07I'm just saying I'm trying to just let him talk to you.
54:11I'm not a part of this.
54:12One, two, three, four.
54:15He just started with a section that was out of nowhere.
54:18Taylor, I just found out about that freaking two weeks ago, a month ago.
54:23You never told me that.
54:24Oh, you never told her that?
54:25That's crazy.
54:26No, she left that out too.
54:28Who said are you on, Dakota?
54:30I don't care if you believe whatever.
54:32If you're my partner, you have my back and then you discuss it at home.
54:36I feel like so betrayed.
54:37If he's saying that, then why should I not?
54:39Why would you believe him?
54:41Taylor's yelling.
54:42That's not true.
54:43This is the crazy...
54:44Dakota, he just bit your face.
54:46Taylor, Taylor, I had a section about you.
54:49That just came out of nowhere to your fucking lying mouth.
54:51Your boyfriend's a fucking liar.
54:52It's fucking sick.
54:54I don't know what's going on.
54:55I never said that.
54:59He just looked you in the fucking eye and said he didn't have feelings for me.
55:01You saw his face change.
55:02I'm trying to just...
55:03Wait, Taylor, isn't it crazy?
55:04Fuck you.
55:05Fuck you, you're a liar.
55:13Jesse, the police are here.
55:14No.
55:16He touched my wife.
55:17Take ownership.
55:18Take ownership right now.
55:20Could we watch Secret Life of the Locusts?
55:22What the hell's about to happen?
55:28This is our marriage.
55:28This isn't a game.
55:30I can't do this.
55:31Will you please cut the camera?
55:33I don't want to get it twisted.
55:35The height of what I was involved in was kissing people.
55:38You did do more than just kiss.
55:40Like, if you're gonna come into mom talk, be open and honest.
55:43Because if you're not, I will.
55:45Clear the air.
55:46I just want to move on.