The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 2 Episode 5
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00:00i think jen is fake
00:21okay well this escalated quickly with the smiley just say you know also it's nice
00:25probably wrote it having this confession come out this definitely caught me off guard because
00:29this isn't supposed to be malicious at all okay nancy this is your fault i was like i didn't do
00:34that okay i can't say who did it did not do it that definitely kind of put a damper on the mood
00:40i don't know i'm so emotional that's a lot give yourself some grace yeah i don't know who wrote
00:48the card that jen was fake if it wasn't to me or jesse it's because they have this weird beef
00:54then i would say they brainwashed someone else to feel the same way about jen okay well we're
00:59proud of you also don't forget friday baby shower celebrate billy there'll be bunnies there
01:07little baby bunnies that you can hold
01:10i love you jesse
01:13people are mean people are ruthless i'm sorry i know it's just that
01:20oh god
01:26no jen you're not you're not you've had so much on your plate i also think that for you
01:31if any situation where anybody feels like you're being fake just like bring it up rather than just
01:36like yeah call your fake no you've been going through so much lately thank you
01:43yeah of course i'm just like okay i'm here to be a part of mom talk and to be empowered
01:50and gain support but there's none of that i just wanted to get to the bottom of why are these women
01:58doing this to me and like what are your intentions behind our friendship and if you do have an issue
02:03with me like let's talk about it i said i think the comment was either from me mikaela or
02:33you're gonna believe
02:53we don't need an invitation nope we don't pull up on them anyways
02:59fly a party in a party when i'm you and me
03:05hi welcome to box glide thank you the story's so cute thank you so much so nice to meet both
03:11of you i think you've been talking with miriam about your baby shower right yes i'm having a
03:16baby shower after baby's born because we didn't know the gender yet and now i do i invited everyone
03:22from mom talk because i'm definitely still making efforts to feel like i've been accepted back into
03:26this group especially before the girls trip and i've been getting really close with jen and miranda
03:30because i i need some friends are you a plant person i am but i'm not because i'll start it
03:38and then i'll forget about it i want to though i got to get to know about some that they're
03:42supposed to die what do they call it perennials or whatever perennials when it comes back i don't
03:48know no like it's supposed to die yeah it's like supposed to die then it comes back i want that
03:52that's what's happening in my life right now i thought i killed him
03:56have you talked to jen and i was so worried about her like nobody wants to hear that
04:00yeah she called me does she want to have a conversation or no she wants to think on it
04:05for a while before she decides if and when she's gonna bring it up well i guess we'll have to wait
04:09and find out yeah anyway i'm curious who all shows up at the shower because i invited everyone but i
04:16would be shocked if everybody showed up do you want me to guess who i think will be there maybe
04:19guess who wouldn't be there hopefully that number is smaller than that one that would be there okay
04:24okay i'll tell you who i don't think will be there okay cool i don't think demi michaela jesse and
04:31jesse yeah we'll be there that seems about right whitney wants to move forward with these girls
04:36and i do think that it is possible with some of them but in order to move forward i think you
04:42need to prove yourself that you really are sorry through your actions and for me i'm hoping this
04:48girls trip it can be a great opportunity for me to get to know all of the girls and vice versa
04:53and see where things go i'm like trying to show my support towards macy more and i thought it'd be fun
05:00if all of us got together and like did something for her at the pickleball event
05:04funny shirts or painted our bodies yeah oh that'd be fun i don't know what but painted our bodies
05:11that would actually be hilarious we're in our bikinis and it says
05:14yeah i'm putting together this new group chat without macy because i want to plan something
05:20very special for her at this pickleball event let's hope that this redeems me a little bit
05:25let's make the chat i'm gonna make it right now
05:30okay so i said i thought it'd be fun to do something for macy at the pickleball tournament
05:34maybe shirts body paint haha i think that's good i'm scared i'm scared i really am let's see
05:44new text you should leave it i'm just kidding don't please like wow
05:56whitney just sent a text i thought it'd be fun to do something for macy at the pickleball
06:00tournament i bet you do maybe shirts body paint haha thoughts i don't think i'm gonna reply to her
06:05i'm definitely not responding to this message hell no i feel like she definitely like hit her
06:10head and forgot what she did last year i'm gonna leave that one on red you have to respond nobody's
06:16you have to say something
06:22it's just me and you having a conversation goodbye
06:35since therapy dakota is putting in an effort and really trying to show the partner that he says he
06:41is and i'm communicating with him better but i need to now focus on healing and that is a journey
06:48in itself it's very complex hello
06:57i like baby cakes oh you love your nana huh i think he looks like dakota he's nicer than dakota
07:05my family and i don't always see eye to eye like at the barbecue for example he lied yes
07:11that is so wrong but give him some grace you guys had seen each other three times and then
07:17he came over and had sex with you what does that say about you but at the same time they've helped
07:24me a lot with ever and my other kids during this turmoil with dakota so i am so grateful for them
07:30where are you in dakota right now when we made our tiktoks last night and then all my friends
07:34like taylor taylor i saw that too i'm like what the heck is going on
07:49it's just a tiktok it's really not that deep like i know but it's like but you're i feel like those
07:53kind of tiktoks it's like oh they're back together it never said that no but it said he's trying and
08:00my floors it's as usual well i don't know we're working through things yeah but like we're not
08:07living together we're not going on dates we're not seeing each other that often besides when
08:11he visits his son so are you guys having sex um because that's going to confuse him
08:16yes but it doesn't change anything i told them that why are you having sex with them then
08:21i have been hooking up with dakota still and it's just hard to completely cut that off
08:26it's almost like a trauma response like yes i'm angry but i still like want that
08:32it's like a it's a thing it's just passion when i'm being intimate with him i feel nothing i
08:38literally turn it off like i don't know how i do it like he calls me the dude in the relationship
08:42because after he's like can we cuddle and i'm like no i don't want to cuddle like if anything
08:48you can leave i like almost turn it off like i'm protecting myself because i know if i do feel it
08:54will hurt really bad i feel like you shouldn't be doing that even he's shaking his head no look at
08:59him he said no mom don't do it i'm a little annoyed that my family is being a little judgmental
09:07i'm trying to tell me like what to do it's my choice at the end of the day it's not really
09:11their place to say or tell me what to do i think you guys just need jesus in your life
09:17i think taylor just needs to not have sex with dakota it's like giving him
09:23the wrong vibe like vibe it's like do you want to be with me or you don't want to be with me
09:27like are you using me for sex you just feel lonely like and you want that like connection
09:32go use your freaking vibrator that's not a person honestly sometimes vibrators feel better than the
09:38guy anyways true what true oh my gosh i don't want to even hear this have you never used one
09:45no we're not talking about that i've literally found a book
09:52have you tried them all yes
09:56oh my gosh i just don't think that you should keep having sex with him i don't have feelings
10:02anymore i don't feel nothing that is not true because i think you've come a long way and you're
10:06over here you're backtracking replace yourself with indy knowing your daughter came to you and
10:12is telling you all this stuff what would you tell your daughter i would just explain to her
10:18i've been in your shoes it actually will make you feel because i assume it makes it's going to end
10:23up being 10 times shittier right so i'll be like so why aren't you taking your own advice i think
10:28you guys shouldn't be having sex if you're working on it because i feel like you guys both have your
10:32own issues and if you can't do it for yourself do it for him my sister does have a point this
10:39is doing nothing progressive for me and i feel like i have to cut that off or you're just going
10:44to continue the unhealthy cycle
10:52so
11:06hi hi how are you good how are you doing you know i'm trying to be better just like saying
11:12things head-on rather than bottling it up i saw the video mikaela made oh man i mean
11:21shit i'm putting food on that table for that girl that's for sure she's making all of these
11:26hurtful videos making fun of my traumas like connor and i going through a hard time in a relationship
11:33all of this harassing and bullying whatever you want to call it whether it's about me or about
11:38our relationship if you really feel that way how about you just say it to my face i get it from
11:44jesse demis and mikaela i get it but then you're in it too and then i'm like okay we're creating
11:49this narrative online where i'm not friends with macy because why else would she be in these videos
11:55the fact that i'm in it yeah i can see how you think that but i genuinely don't know what like
12:00they're going to say on the caption i'm just like i was like oh we're getting this trend okay
12:04i think that's why i didn't think that it was about you regardless of macy saying that she
12:09wasn't aware of what mikaela was going to say at what point are you gonna tune in to that's what
12:17she's continually doing if you've already seen the first post why are you in the second one i
12:22genuinely feel like i need to have a conversation just one-on-one with mikaela before we even go on
12:26this girl's trip okay well maybe maybe i'll talk to her and see like what she thinks and see if
12:32she's open to chatting with you in person and maybe i can help like facilitate it hopefully
12:37everyone could come and have a little kumbaya i was gonna say kumbaya i really want to talk to
12:42mikaela before the girls trip because i'm not fully understanding why you still have such harsh
12:48feelings towards me and even more than that mom talk is driven by love and unity and that's clearly
12:54not what mikaela is doing she's doing the exact opposite actually love you love you too i'll talk
13:00to you later okay bye
13:20just keep shining i got you flowers for what because you're gonna hit a million followers
13:26i think to me and i are gonna meet up to do pilates today it's one of our favorite workouts
13:31we don't do it as much as we should but we have the girls trip in a few days so we gotta look
13:35good and pilates is a good workout keep up jesse competition now did you only get two hours of
13:40sleep or what like i'm already shaking we're gonna be jiggling walking out of here i feel
13:45like i'm giving birth your legs are goals the one time a year i do it that's yeah we're all
13:51wondering how she has those legs because this is her first time in the gym for like i think in
13:55three years i truly work out maybe one to two days a year i was not lying so it must be good
14:01genetics but i feel like i you know keep pretty active in the bedroom so maybe jordan's the reason
14:06for these legs you think you're gonna go to whitney's baby shower no yeah i didn't think
14:11you would i was just not are you no but i feel like she probably expects us all to go because
14:17at macy's dinner she was like remember friday like kind of delusional like there's gonna be
14:22bunnies i'm like that doesn't change anything yeah whitney dropped her baby shower announcement
14:27and that was the last thing i was expecting i think it's a little strange because she knows
14:31that probably half the group isn't going to come i think we want to host like a hibachi dinner that
14:35night because jordan's friend has this hibachi grill yeah he brings it out and he does the whole
14:39show for you and he has like heat lamps you do it in the front yard but it's like cozy yeah i was
14:43thinking we should do that for the people not going yeah like we might as well do something
14:46fun that night it's gonna be so interesting to see how the trip's gonna go like i'm excited
14:50to go to arizona and get out of the cold but we saw how park city and vegas went and i'm just like
14:55please can we just have like a calm chill girls trip i am feeling very apprehensive about this
15:02girl's trip i am not on the best terms with whitney still she has tried to reach out and
15:07mend things i don't fully trust her and i'm not ready to hear what she has to say between that
15:13and jen and the lies and not being able to trust her it's just like i don't want to be on a girl's
15:20trip with these people okay macy's dinner um do you know who wrote the jen is fake thing
15:26no i have no clue maybe this needs to be what comes out for her to be like let's face these
15:30issues and like not be fake to each other anymore i don't even know how to act around
15:33jen right now like i feel awkward i know i'm feeling so weird about jen zach called me
15:40what yeah like right before this what did he say we talked for like 45 minutes
15:46so he said that he talked to jordan about the whole chip and dale situation did you tell him
15:50we gave jen a heads up yeah i said i thought that by giving jen's jen a heads up and i was like i
15:54know you're not jen but i thought that you guys would be in communication enough zach's just
15:59really confused and it's another situation with jen where like he's not being told the full truth
16:03he's the one who told us we're gonna go together for exposure therapy yeah i get where he's coming
16:08from and this is what shocks me is that he fully was like like her lying about the ben affleck
16:14thing like why would she make that okay that's where for me i'm like this isn't a miscommunication
16:19this isn't you hating confrontation that is literally a pathological liar at this point i
16:23think jen needs to be held accountable for all of the lies that are coming out the last time we
16:28talked to her we didn't know everything so i think we were a little soft on her but since that
16:32conversation we're finding out more lies that have been told i'm not interested in having a friend
16:37who lies about the weirdest things because what are you gonna lie about about me that's just not
16:42what mom talks about dude what do we do i have to do her hair tomorrow oh and i'm like how do i not
16:49talk to her about all of this while i'm doing it but then how awkward that i'm like sitting there
16:52for three hours doing her hair and like calling her out for being a liar how should i bring it
16:55up should i just be like so i've kind of heard there's been some tension with chip and dale's
16:59like how do you feel yeah we're really confused all of us are feeling very frustrated with you
17:04i just feel so bad because like last year when this all went down i was like no i'm a girl's girl
17:08like you do not deserve to be treated this way i've been treated this way and i don't want it to
17:11feel like i'm flipping on her but this has nothing to do with gender now like it's literally just the
17:15actions we're seeing exactly what you have to be that way i'm sorry we can't just blindly be like
17:20girl power like empowering women is being like hey step into your freaking power yeah and like
17:26tell the truth how are you feeling i know the last couple of days and weeks have just been
17:42pretty much since we've moved back you either want to chop my head off or you're crying and
17:46you want to order i'm pregnant zach and i were really struggling after the chip nails prank
17:53but we had a really good talk and we just want to block out all the noise and be a united front
18:00it's definitely ironic that i chose mom talk over zach and then mom talk screwed me over very ironic
18:07i'm sorry sweetie the thing is like you have me you have your kids do you even want to be part
18:12of mom talk i think being a part of mom talk is a huge responsibility for each of us because
18:18as a group we're trying to influence the world and i feel like if no one's but what are you guys
18:24trying to influence what are you trying to we're trying to show women empower women you guys all
18:27just shit on each other it's like a lot of the girls are just like followers and like whatever
18:34is convenient like it was popular to protect jen now it's popular to say jen's fake it's just hard
18:40because like i really in this next chapter of our life am i doing everything i can to support you
18:45and then you go hang out with these girls and you come home and you cry pretty much every time and
18:50you're just like this is what this person said about me i'm like friends don't say that about
18:53each other like that's not a real thing but it's like you're almost trapped because this is like
18:57your business and like it's not even just that it's just like i truly feel like mom talk has so
19:02much potential well i mean obviously it's reached millions of people i'm not denying that i'm just
19:08saying how like you as a pregnant woman that's growing a baby like it's not baby you couldn't
19:13sleep last night you literally had a panic attack yeah anyways well what do you want to do moving
19:22forward as of right now i think it's really important for me to rest and think of the baby
19:28that i'm carrying and i do think that this is causing me a lot of stress my relationship with
19:32the girls is falling apart and i think it's because jesse and demi are trying to get the
19:37whole group against me part of me is wanting to people put it so badly and act like everything's
19:42okay and i can't like the uncomfortable feeling right now is the feeling that i need to have
19:48even though it sucks for so long i've been a pushover and for so long i've had so many people
19:54walk all over me i don't want to play the victim mentality anymore and run away from my issues i'm
19:58not doing that i'm just fed up at this point and i want someone to finally hear me i need
20:04to confront these issues and if not it's actually worse for me
20:24hey welcome in hi everything looks so good i'm excited yes i highly recommend the hot chocolate
20:30okay let's do hot chocolate that's perfect today i was supposed to do jen's hair but she
20:35reached out and said she wanted to talk in person first so we're just going to meet up and hash this
20:39out outside of the hair salon i was super nervous about having to sit with her for hours doing her
20:44hair while potentially arguing and fighting it would have been so uncomfortable i just don't
20:52know what their intentions are behind all this i've asked her to stop talking shit about my
20:58husband and me i'm done trying to keep the peace like they poke the bear and the claws are coming
21:02out like i'm done you haven't seen the other side of me you don't realize i was raised in the hood
21:06like watch out okay catch me outside how about that okay you're born in provo utah
21:11calm down yes i was born in provo but raised in the hood so hey
21:19i wish demi was here as well i feel like she's equally responsible for all of the stuff that
21:26has happened but i decided to meet with just jesse first because i feel like when they're
21:30together they just team up i just want to squash everything and ask why are you doing this to me
21:37hi oh my gosh not good to be honest okay it's fine what's going on oh my gosh um
21:46i'm gonna be this is gonna be a really hard conversation
21:50first off i just want to take accountability i know i suck at confrontation and i know that
21:55can come off as two-faced which i totally get that but first off i genuinely want to ask you
22:01when have i intentionally ever tried to hurt you in our friendship what are you talking about
22:09you continue to like bash me and my relationship because of the things i want to talk about yes
22:13honestly like it makes me question your character okay because i'm character is something we
22:19definitely need to talk about because you're the liar here okay well what you think i'm lying about
22:23i would love to confront you about and that's why i came here okay let's start with chippendales okay
22:28did demi ask me for consent for brett to dress up as a chippendales dancer for a performance
22:37a chippendales dancer she said for a performance yes she did she never mentioned flying down a
22:43male stripper she never mentioned there are things that i want to keep as a surprise and you said
22:48totally go for it that would be so fun i'm totally good with it and the fact that you
22:52said me and zach are going to go to chippendales ourselves that means you're okay with the situation
22:56jen no the difference how was it any different he was lighthearted what actually happened was
23:01disrespectful the chippendales thing was all in good fun and considering what jen had shared with
23:05us about zach's progress in therapy we thought this was all going to be safe territory not
23:10something that would upset him we kind of thought it was going to be closure for the whole chippendales
23:14thing together what would be lighthearted in that scenario was literally grinding on me it was that
23:20was never if you go to chippendales they put your hands on their ass it's way worse at the real
23:25chippendales the difference is but her intention different her intention chippendales thank you
23:35i just wish you would have confronted me saying okay you don't know these big surprises and i know
23:40you're in a rocky place in your relationship is this okay i wish you had asked me because i would
23:45have never given you guys consent for jordan and this random male stripper to be grinding
23:51a live stripper as a performer it's a difference clearly there's a lot of lies going on and those
23:55are the things that make me judge you because if you guys lie about being related to a celebrity
23:59why oh and you know that's going to come out so it's very weird okay you can lie about something
24:05like that it makes me question your character your husband said jen made up this lie and i
24:11have been telling her to stop we are not related to the athletes i have told her to stop lying
24:15about on podcast all that's been told to me literally since the day that you have a communication
24:19problem because he said i don't know where jen came up with this i've been telling her to stop
24:23talking about it it's a lie jesse brings up the ben athlete situation again i was telling everyone
24:29what i'd been told the past six years but also what does this have to do with anything at this
24:36point it feels like they're harping on anything to put me down when it feels like straight up
24:42bullying you literally gaslight everyone saying that i had consent over everything that happened
24:48which is no true that's what you guys do you sure no yeah we are very honest if anything me and
24:53demure honest to a fault we told everyone jen and zach said they were going to go to chippendales
24:58that they wanted exposure therapy i keep bent jen thought it was funny husbands
25:04he didn't rub his dick on you he had such a crew okay okay what's my past yeah i know
25:12if you're asking to swing with us it's a no and i'm done with this conversation
25:15we don't want to have this conversation oh my god
25:37i'm excited for a good old sunshine bun i've never heard of this place sunshine buns
25:44so there's no better time to tell you than i guess right now since we're five minutes away
25:49oh lord um so whitney called me and i guess she's been wanting to talk to you and she's like why
25:58don't we just meet there or something where at the sunshine bun no okay you take me home
26:05whitney and i were like best friends for almost two years and i felt like people didn't get a
26:09lot of that context of why our friendship fell out it really all started in park city i felt like
26:15i was being left out of the friend group i was going through a lot in my chronic illness i had
26:20a couple conversations with her about it and it was almost like she gaslit me and flipped it on me
26:25and made it seem like oh well you're doing this to yourself or you're going through this
26:29she followed me with no explanation and then showed up to my birthday party just to talk to
26:34macy i think she wants to talk because the girl ship's coming up and she thinks that you like
26:40well it's because she's obsessed with herself lately i feel like mom talk is turning on each
26:45other left and right it's really sad to see because i feel like we're supposed to be women
26:48supporting each other we're taught in the church to love one another to be christ-like and to be
26:53forgiving but it doesn't feel like that's happening the girl's trip is coming up and i really just
26:58want no hostility so i figured this is kind of my shot just trying to get whitney and mikayla
27:02together see if they can work it out however i just don't know if that's going to happen
27:06it'd be really sunshiny at sunshine buns
27:16i don't know i don't have anything to say to her you can make it two minutes
27:19and i make it less than two minutes let me show you okay well i'll call you you're gonna call me
27:26right now i'll just call you and put you on mute well no you're gonna come in there with me still
27:30because you're gonna call me then i'll call you and put you on mute and then or no you have to
27:34put it on mute because then i can't hear you yes and you know our safe word what's the safe word
27:39our safe word sisterhood if i say sisterhood then you ought to i don't know say you have to go pick
27:45up your kids from school or something since i'm being held against my will to this conversation
27:49i have to make a safe word hello i just want to hear what she has to say to me and then i'm ready
27:56to go sisterhood you guys can talk and i'll just chill in the car bye sorry hold on i gotta make
28:01sure jace is picking up my kids okay can we dive more into what's been bothering you about me
28:12yeah i mean i honestly don't care to really say much more i wanted to know why you wanted to
28:18have this conversation why can't i hear anything i feel like for me i was like i don't really care
28:26to put energy into it so um if you feel like something's bothering you i'd love to know
28:31she i think mckayla muted herself
28:38i care about you and i want to know what we can do to move past this i don't care to have the
28:43friendship i didn't want to have this conversation why did you want to have the conversation because
28:48i want to move past this mckayla past it
28:51every time i open the internet somebody's making blatantly explicit videos about me then don't
28:55look at my stuff i don't follow you it's on my for you page it just pops up well not everything's
29:00about you you're the one making it about me you're so delusional and you think that everyone's
29:04always coming for you whitney refuses to acknowledge anything that makes her look bad
29:08or makes her look like the villain you're very explicit about how you feel about me online
29:14if i want to make videos about you i can do that because you're the one that makes me feel like
29:18if i want to make videos about you i can do that because you're not my friend
29:23you're exactly right okay okay so you're not my friend but you can blatantly harass me on
29:27the internet i'm not blatantly harassing you on what are you doing i'm what is it that you're
29:31doing it's like i go through conversations with her where it's like 10 different personalities
29:36that i'm seeing she has like her victim voice where she goes very soft and then she goes psycho
29:40off the rails where she's yelling and banging on things and from this conversation the only thing
29:44i'm taking is that whitney was upset by videos that i posted on social media okay i will be
29:51cordial to you in person when we're at group or work events if it's a friendship thing so we'll
29:55be cordial in person but we'll harass her online no one's harassing you again did you just hear
30:00what i said no one's harassing you on the internet i feel like if you feel like that then come to me
30:04and tell me that's what i'm doing right now you call macy every single time and you put her in
30:08the middle yet again i asked her why she was in the video so in ephesians 4 32 it says be kind to
30:16one another tender-hearted forgiving each other just as god and christ also has forgiven you
30:21that's clearly not what's happening right now at this point it's kind of like a sisterhood
30:27that we've created that you removed yourself from
30:30moving forward with like mom talk and that sisterhood there
30:40i don't know it just puts a tricky dynamic on like our sisterhood
30:46i'm three sisterhoods deep why is she not coming in
30:53i'm like sisterhood this sisterhood that and she's still not coming in
31:00where do you want to leave things off moving forward it's just being cordial in group
31:04situations okay that's it okay i just don't understand and i hate that i don't understand
31:12but i don't it just sucks we were best friends me macy micaela it just feels helpless like there's
31:20nothing i can do to break down this wall if you have harsh feelings towards me micaela
31:25like whatever you go ahead and deal with that but can we please just be civil and respect each
31:31other when we go on this girl's trip i couldn't hear one word it was like i was on mute i muted
31:36you yes you ding dong you muted me i'm the one who's supposed to meet you you know how many
31:41fucking times i was saying sisterhood it was comical like i was like i feel like i almost
31:45started laughing i was like this is my sisterhood that i chose looking at the door
31:52stop comical i was like this is a fucking joke i was like you're calling macy about it she's like
31:58macy was in the video and i said macy can do whatever the hell she wants how many times i
32:02have to say it's not about you but as far as like the girl's trip i'll just go and continue to ignore
32:07her no one's like we don't owe you anything we have a whole group of people going through their
32:12own shit yeah i get it that's it well i'm glad you enjoyed yourself
32:43um
32:46dakota is coming over so we can discuss our relationship and where it goes from here
32:53as hard as it is my mom and sister they do have a point i need to take a step back because
32:58everything's so clouded when we're like sleeping together like i think this is just a cycle that
33:02i would like to break it's quite a night huh good night ever i don't think dakota would ever
33:09be on board of like a full-on break i think he sees endgame so i'm the one who has to initiate
33:15this because i don't think he's wanting to oh my gosh what nothing i'm just tired yeah same
33:25and i actually slept so hard last night for like the first time ever good i was out good glad you're
33:33out what um you what you've been out for like a month and a half now and like it's still the same
33:43it's the same song and dance every day yeah and i feel like what my heart wants it's to like
33:52obviously work on a chance with us like and for our family but nothing's changing
34:02so i'm like i think you're exhausted i'm exhausted there's really no
34:06other answers other than like i feel like taking a good step back
34:22there's really no other answers other than like i feel like taking a good step back
34:32and i hate to say it but it's the truth like
34:36it's the truth
34:47i mean for me i don't want anything or anyone else i still want you i still want
34:56my family but like i don't think nothing changes if nothing changes yeah
35:03i think it's just really hard because we've both come from very broken places
35:07we've both hurt each other tremendously in many ways and i know i have tons of things that you
35:15know are so hard for me to uh just work through our situation is like the worst situation ever
35:22every pain point taylor has i am someone that activates that for her it's hard because
35:32i've never loved anyone more than i have taylor but the best thing i can do is give her space
35:39and for me my whole focus right now is to just be the best dad i want him to have a really happy
35:46life regardless if me and taylor are ever together or not i guess the next thing would be uh ever
35:53are you wanting to still do the night situation yeah i'll just keep them all nights okay yeah
35:59uh see that's the part that makes this so hard i mean it's part of co-parenting yeah
36:06no no yeah i know it's the worst thing ever yeah i just yeah i've never uh
36:15yeah i've never experienced it though so
36:19yeah it's hell yeah i think it's just hard because he's so young i know
36:22hey it's over now it's really hard to imagine a life without dakota it would be like it'd be
36:34another loss for me but there is like just a cycle of fight all day and then he'll come over
36:42and then we'll sleep together and then there's like love but the cycle is more toxic than good
36:48days i do love dakota and so it's not something i want to give up but i do feel like it's the best
36:59thing for us you're okay you're okay
37:21oh my gosh so freaking cute
37:26maybe she's a fairy obviously the conversation with mikaela didn't go well
37:31i'm striking out of the game right now but i'm so excited to celebrate baby billy it's gonna be
37:38great oh my gosh so freaking cute i don't know what the bunnies are for i just like wanted people
37:44to be able to go and hold the bunny oh my gosh because i have billy with me i knew that everybody
37:52was going to want to hold him but i didn't want that to happen so i was like hey like here's
37:56something cute and fuzzy and cuddly that you can hold to get to get that fix bunnies that's like
38:04no it's fine
38:16i know there's like a little flower bar we've got the balloons
38:20and i love this this is cute i know it's like a little fairy i could barely breathe in this dress
38:25but this is the best i've ever felt like with all my pregnancies o'connor did get a vasectomy
38:33no i'm curious to know if they show up yeah i don't know like demi and jesse and yeah i don't
38:38think mikaela is gonna come i mean i'd be shocked if layla and taylor didn't come i mean no miranda's
38:42coming because we just talked i don't know if layla's good with me she was the one who wrote
38:46the note saying that i was fake or something how did you find that out macy told me that yeah
38:52layla was the one who wrote the confession i feel bummed about it but at the same time i don't think
39:00her intention was to tear me down i think her intention was to still be included in the group
39:07because some of the most vocal girls demi and jesse were having these opinions about me i'm so
39:14done with them and i'm done going to jay-z styles too well damn yeah
39:27hello guys right now my focus is being the best version of myself and so i decided to come to
39:35whitney's baby shower because even though she didn't support me at my baby shower i don't
39:41think i have to be petty back and be like i'm not going to come to yours the other girls didn't want
39:45to come and i feel like they did that to be petty honestly i it's true hello hello you look so
39:54beautiful today is whitney's baby shower and i'm gonna go support her be a good friend because
40:00that's what i would want in a friendship thanks for coming love you granted i didn't get that
40:04in return in the past but i think we're trying to take steps forward and kind of move forward
40:09in our friendship hey guys i want to welcome you though officially to whitney's baby shower
40:16and billie's and billie's babies are such a blessing from god and we are so happy that
40:25you're all here to celebrate with us thanks for coming we love you guys yes and enjoy thank you
40:33i'm so happy with the women that did show up i'm loving seeing macy here hopefully we can
40:38just leave the past behind us i'm not surprised that taylor showed up because i felt like we were
40:42rekindling that relationship so i'd be pissed if she didn't show up i would have had my mom
40:48call her and say why aren't you here i want to hear about all the girl drama actually
40:53oh it's been a lot i don't know anything to do some
41:07you're cool hello good how are you hi so cute i love you we're going to a little fall dinner
41:18tonight over at jordan and jesse's and we're having a little hibachi night this trump's a
41:22baby shower all day long hello are you alone yeah that's so sad my practice i know everyone's at the
41:32baby shower but us i know so this is like the rebellion support i mean i mean support what
41:42the baby's here i don't regret not showing up to whitney's baby shower because i feel like
41:48she invited the group as a whole as a formality and she also knows we're still on rocky ground so
41:53i'm good to whitney in situations where we're doing things as a group but i don't think i
41:57owe it to her to go to a baby shower quite yet all right you guys all like fire right yes
42:06all right are you guys ready to start catching shrimp in your mouth yes sir
42:10okay this isn't a representation of how i am with my mouth
42:13um demetria all right you ready
42:30i'm ready
42:35did you even open your mouth leila took that shrimp like a beast straight to the forehead
42:41nowhere near her mouth and her tongue's out and her mouth's open and she's like
42:46her splat hilarious i wonder what they're doing at whitney's shower probably like milking cows
42:53taylor you want a bunny i don't like bunnies you can go hold a bunny
42:59i think mine pees i don't mind whitney at this point honestly it's jen no yeah jen's my new
43:07whitney it's my new roman empire there's this many people who have had lies it's not an isolated
43:13situation it's like no this lie this lie this lie so it's like at what point are you just
43:16not gonna look like a liar like it's yeah they're so outlandish the lies and they're so specific
43:22too it's so weird apparently jen said that jordan had his tiny dick all over her no he didn't first
43:28of all but also where's this hostility coming from like what could possibly have switched
43:35so quickly with one little chip and dale's performance that you consented to i'm just
43:40preparing for whatever happened with jesse to happen to me she is brave to go on this trip
43:47in my opinion because it's like leila has issues with her i have issues with her you guys have
43:50issues with her it makes sense that her and whitney are the ones that are getting close though
43:54yeah it does they're the only ones that can like i said the delusion likes company it's really hard
44:00to catch me at a loss for words but i was completely shocked after my argument with
44:04jen because the accusations she was throwing were just crazy to me like if this is an invitation to
44:10swing the answer is no first of all zach would not be my first choice in this group of husbands
44:15second of all i did have a situation in a past relationship and it did involve swinging
44:21but that was way in my past and something i shared with her in confidence and it just kind
44:26of shows me that she's willing to throw daggers when she feels backed into a corner i don't know
44:30if this is a defense mechanism of jen's but i don't want anything to do with a friend like that
44:35like it's bleeding into our friend group and to mom talk and that's where it's not okay for me
44:41wait jen what's your issue with jesse the chip and dale's is like kind of a sensitive
44:46topic i'm just like what was your intention i mean i asked jesse this i'm like when have i
44:52intentionally ever tried to hurt you so what's he what's your issue with demi then yes some things
44:58went down in italy like i'll just straight up say it like she was literally playing truth or dare
45:03with a ton of single men did she kiss them one of them kissed her on the cheek
45:12i called her out for it she gave me crap for it you think i'm gonna have your back and stick up
45:18for you when you know you screwed up i do feel like demi sits on her high horse and looks down
45:23at all of us a lot of what she does is trashy and like what else is trashy that i do then since a
45:27lot of it is well i mean the whole swinging thing was trashy we got that down what else that whole
45:32era of your life i'm also not gonna defend chasing anything but i do feel like demi did throw chase
45:39touching her out of proportion your girlfriend's literally crying and just left like that's
45:44probably where's your husband he's um upstairs don't touch me again brett he just laid his hands
45:50on me what the hell yeah she's always prying at us and our issues but it's like you actually don't
45:56share a damn thing about your life so i mean i would like you to open that lens and let's see
46:00what yours looks like so you feel like they were like coming at you in your marriage yeah so you
46:04ask her about the confession that macy got with her and brett wait what um i didn't know if macy
46:12told you she got a confession about demi and brett it said brett slept with me while demi was
46:16away it said i slept with demi's husband last year while she was away like yeah that's not true
46:22jimmy doesn't go a day away from brett so besides the girls trip we did in june it's the ones you
46:27never expect and that's why it's crazy that is true wait brett was sleeping with someone when
46:34demi was away yes now where i have an issue is when she's asking me for truth let's talk about
46:42you and your husband that's messy that's messy i feel for jen because it's like if people are
46:48digging and messing with her relationship she has every right to have a backbone and fight back
46:53that probably feel the same way i just am so dreading the minute jen tries to come out of
46:58the grenades i know she's gonna do it she's gonna come at you for the fake thing let her i have
47:03nothing to hide she's gonna make herself look dumb if she comes in below the belt i will
47:08absolutely dominate her i will make her look like such a fool between all the different opinions
47:13and people taking sides i just can't see this going any other way but a pure bloodbath i am
47:20absolutely packing extra super tampons she's disgusting i don't want to be associated with
47:26her i'm like you have no idea what's coming for you going into this girl's trip michaela and i
47:31are worse than when we started jesse and jen definitely don't need to be in a room together
47:35demi needs to be very careful about calling people out because we all know she's got skeletons in
47:39her closet all i know is shit is definitely gonna go down at this girl's trip wow this
47:45will be great to be all together yikes yikes yikes yikes
47:48oh oh shit oh no she's fine she's okay
48:05i almost said i love you well i do but you know what i'm saying yeah
48:10it's time for warming girls gone wild we're gonna play target at sea roulette
48:15no question of the day where's jen
48:20jen likes to put on a facade that she's always happy she cries like every day and it's 90
48:25related to the girls nimi has skeletons in her closet does jen know the skeletons
48:32all right you guys i have a surprise another truth box dear god i was there in italy like i
48:38saw everything yeah i would you be talking to him that much like it doesn't add up to me i feel like
48:43i feel like demi is trying to break the soul of mom talk i've also been told that you think
48:49you deserve the biggest brand deal it's not a shock that i was a fan favorite i just think
48:53you're a fake am i the only one that cares about loyalty taylor why do you think we're like preying
49:00on your downfall because look at the two girls it is she's a disgusting human being you're just a
49:05selfish bitch she needs help she needs to go be a fucking mom and she does not get my sympathy
49:11anymore if taylor's in i'm out