The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 2 Episode 5
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00:00I
00:12Think Jen is fake
00:18Okay, well this escalated quickly with the smiley just say, you know, also it's nice
00:24Having this confession come out. It's definitely caught me off guard because this isn't supposed to be malicious at all
00:29Okay, they see this is your fault
00:32Okay, I can't say who did it did not do it. I definitely kind of put a damper on the mood
00:39That's a lot give yourself some grace
00:42yeah, I
00:44Don't know who wrote the card that Jen was fake if it wasn't to me or Jesse
00:49It's because they have this weird beef then I would say they brainwashed someone else to feel the same way about Jen
00:55Okay
00:59Friday baby shower celebrate Billy. There'll be bunnies there
01:22No, Jen, you're not
01:25You know, I've had so much on your plate
01:27I also think that for you if any situation where anybody feels like you're being fake just like bring it up rather than just like
01:33Yeah, call your fake. You know, you've been going through so much
01:40I'm just like, okay
01:42I'm here to be a part of mom talk and to be empowered and gain support
01:48But there's none of that. I
01:51just wanted to get to the bottom of
01:53Why are these women doing this to me and like what are your intentions behind our friendship?
01:59And if you do have an issue with me, like let's talk about it. I said, I think the comment was either from me
02:05Kayla or
02:23Everything
02:53♪ I'm full of love, I want them anyway ♪
02:55♪ Look a fly, a party ain't a party without you and me ♪
03:02Hi.
03:03Welcome to Fox Glide.
03:05Thank you, the store is so cute.
03:06Thank you, this is so cute.
03:07Thank you so much.
03:08So nice to meet both of you.
03:09Nice to meet you.
03:10I think you've been talking with Miriam
03:11about your baby shower, right?
03:12Yes, yes.
03:13I'm having a baby shower after baby's born
03:15because we didn't know the gender yet, and now I do.
03:18I invited everyone from Mom Talk
03:19because I'm definitely still making efforts
03:22to feel like I've been accepted back into this group,
03:24especially before the girls' trip.
03:25And I've been getting really close with Jen and Miranda
03:27because I need some friends.
03:32Are you a plant person?
03:33I am, but I'm not because I'll start it
03:35and then I'll forget about it.
03:36I want to, though.
03:37I want to get to know them.
03:38I got some that they're supposed to die.
03:40What do they call it, perennials or whatever?
03:42Perennials?
03:43When it dies, it comes back?
03:45I don't know.
03:45No, like it's supposed to die?
03:47Yeah, it's like supposed to die and then it comes back.
03:49I want that.
03:50That's what's happening in my life right now.
03:50And I thought I killed him.
03:52Same, actually.
03:54Have you talked to Jen at all?
03:55I was so worried about her.
03:56Like, nobody wants to hear that.
03:57Yeah, she called me.
03:59Did she want to have a conversation or no?
04:01She wants to think on it for a while before she decides
04:04if and when she's going to bring it up.
04:06Well, I guess we'll have to wait and find out.
04:07Yeah.
04:08Anyway, I'm curious who all shows up at the shower
04:12because I invited everyone,
04:13but I would be shocked if everybody showed up.
04:15Do you want me to guess who I think will be there?
04:16Maybe guess who wouldn't be there.
04:17Hopefully that number's smaller than the one
04:20that would be there.
04:22Okay, I'll tell you who I don't think will be there.
04:23Okay, cool.
04:24I don't think Demi, Mikaela.
04:27Jessie.
04:28And Jessie will be there.
04:29That seems about right.
04:30Whitney wants to move forward with these girls
04:33and I do think that it is possible with some of them,
04:37but in order to move forward,
04:38I think you need to prove yourself
04:40that you really are sorry through your actions.
04:43And for me, I'm hoping this girls' trip
04:45can be a great opportunity for me to get to know
04:48all of the girls and vice versa and see where things go.
04:52I'm trying to show my support towards Macy more.
04:55And I thought it'd be fun if all of us got together
04:59and did something for her at the Pickleball event.
05:01Funny shirts or painted our bodies.
05:03Oh, for support.
05:04Yeah.
05:05Oh, that'd be fun.
05:06I don't know what, but.
05:06Painted our bodies.
05:08That would actually be hilarious.
05:09Wearing our bikinis and it says, wow, yeah.
05:12I'm putting together this new group chat without Macy
05:15because I want to plan something very special
05:18for her at this Pickleball event.
05:20Let's hope that this redeems me a little bit.
05:22Let's make the chat.
05:23I'm gonna make it right now.
05:27Okay, so I said, I thought it'd be fun
05:29to do something for Macy at the Pickleball tournament.
05:31Maybe shirts, body paint, ha ha.
05:34I think that's good.
05:35I'm scared.
05:36I'm scared.
05:38I really am.
05:39Let's see.
05:41New text.
05:43You should leave it.
05:44I'm just kidding.
05:45Don't, please don't.
05:46For like a while.
05:51Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
05:53Whitney just sent a text.
05:55I thought it'd be fun to do something for Macy
05:57at the Pickleball tournament.
05:58I bet you do.
05:59Maybe shirts, body paint, ha ha, thoughts.
06:01I don't think I'm gonna reply to her.
06:02I'm definitely not responding to this message.
06:04Hell no.
06:05I feel like she definitely like hit her head
06:07and forgot what she did last year.
06:09I'm gonna leave that one on red.
06:11You have to respond.
06:12Nobody's responding.
06:14You have to say something.
06:15Ha ha.
06:19It's just me and you.
06:20We're having a conversation.
06:21Everyone leave.
06:23Goodbye.
06:33Since therapy, Dakota is putting in an effort
06:36and really trying to show the partner that he says he is.
06:38And I'm communicating with him better,
06:40but I need to now focus on healing.
06:43And that is a journey in itself.
06:46It's very complex.
06:50Hello.
06:51Hello.
06:54Oh, hi, my baby kids.
06:56Oh, you love your Nana, huh?
06:58I think he looks like Dakota.
07:00He's nicer than Dakota.
07:03My family and I don't always see eye to eye,
07:05like at the barbecue, for example.
07:07He lied?
07:08Yes, that is so wrong, but give him some grace.
07:12You guys had seen each other three times,
07:14and then he came over and had sex with you?
07:16What does that say about you?
07:19But at the same time, they've helped me a lot
07:22with Everett and my other kids
07:23during this turmoil with Dakota.
07:24So I am so grateful for them.
07:27Where are you in Dakota right now?
07:29And then we made our TikToks last night,
07:31and then all my friends were like, Taylor, Taylor.
07:33I did see it.
07:34I saw that too.
07:35I'm like, what the heck is going on?
07:42It's just a TikTok.
07:43It's really not that deep.
07:44Like, I know, but it's like-
07:45Okay, but you're, I feel like those kind of TikToks,
07:47it's like, oh, they're back together.
07:49It never said that.
07:50No, but it said he's trying and he's cleaning my floors.
07:54It's as he should be.
07:56Well, I don't know.
07:57We're working through things,
07:59but like, we're not living together.
08:01We're not going on dates.
08:02We're not seeing each other that often,
08:03besides when he visits his son.
08:04So are you guys having sex?
08:06Because that's gonna confuse me.
08:08I don't know.
08:09So are you guys having sex?
08:11Because that's gonna confuse him.
08:13Yes, but it doesn't change anything.
08:15I told him that.
08:16Why are you having sex with him then?
08:18I have been hooking up with Dakota still,
08:22and it's just hard to completely cut that off.
08:23It's almost like a trauma response.
08:26Like, yes, I'm angry, but I still like want that.
08:29It's like a, it's a thing.
08:30It's just passion.
08:32When I'm being intimate with him, I feel nothing.
08:34I literally turn it off.
08:36Like, I don't know how I do it.
08:37Like, he calls me the dude in the relationship
08:39because after, he's like, can we cuddle?
08:41And I'm like, no, I don't want to cuddle.
08:44Like, if anything, you can leave.
08:46I like almost turn it off like I'm protecting myself
08:49because I know if I do feel, it will hurt really bad.
08:52I feel like you shouldn't be doing that.
08:54Even he's shaking his head no.
08:56Look at him.
08:57He said, no, mom, don't do it.
09:01I'm a little annoyed that my family
09:03is being a little judgmental
09:04and trying to tell me like what to do.
09:07It's my choice at the end of the day.
09:08It's not really their place to say or tell me what to do.
09:11I think you guys just need Jesus in your life.
09:14I think Taylor just needs to not have sex with Dakota.
09:18It's like giving him the wrong vibe.
09:22It's like, do you want to be with me
09:23or you don't want to be with me?
09:24Like, are you using me for sex?
09:27You just feel lonely.
09:27Like, and you want that like connection.
09:29Well, go use your fricking vibrator.
09:31That's not a person.
09:33Honestly, sometimes vibrators feel better
09:35than the guy anyways.
09:36True.
09:37What?
09:38True.
09:39Oh my gosh.
09:40I don't want to even hear this.
09:41Have you never used one?
09:42No, we're not talking about that.
09:44I literally found a book of Aspen positions.
09:47All the positions.
09:49Have you tried them all?
09:51Yes.
09:52Ew, it's worse.
09:53Oh my gosh.
09:55I just don't think that you should keep having sex with him.
09:58I don't have feelings anymore.
09:59I don't feel nothing.
10:00That is not true.
10:01Cause I think you've come a long way
10:03and you're over here, you're backtracking.
10:05Replace yourself with Indy.
10:07Knowing your daughter came to you
10:09and is telling you all this stuff,
10:10what would you tell your daughter?
10:13I would just explain to her,
10:15I've been in your shoes and actually will make you feel,
10:18cause I assume it makes,
10:19it's going to end up being 10 times shittier, right?
10:21So I'll be like.
10:22So why aren't you taking your own advice?
10:25I think you guys shouldn't be having sex
10:27if you're working on it.
10:28Cause I feel like you guys both have your own issues.
10:31I agree.
10:31Do it for yourself.
10:33Do it for him.
10:34My sister does have a point.
10:36This is doing nothing progressive for me.
10:38And I feel like I have to cut that off
10:40or you're just going to continue the unhealthy cycle.
11:02Hi.
11:03Hi.
11:04How are you?
11:05Good, how are you doing?
11:05You know, I'm trying to be better
11:07at just like saying things head on
11:09rather than bottling it up.
11:11I saw the video Makayla made.
11:16Oh man.
11:16I mean, shit.
11:17I'm putting food on that table for that girl.
11:19That's for sure.
11:21She's making all of these hurtful videos,
11:23making fun of my traumas.
11:25Like Connor and I going through a hard time
11:27in our relationship.
11:29All of this harassing and bullying
11:31whatever you want to call it.
11:33Whether it's about me or about our relationship.
11:37If you really feel that way,
11:38how about you just say it to my face?
11:40I get it from Jesse, Demi and Makayla.
11:42I get it.
11:43But then you're in it too.
11:44And then I'm like, okay,
11:46we're creating this narrative online
11:47where I'm not friends with Macy.
11:50Because why else would she be in these videos?
11:52The fact that I'm in it,
11:53yeah, I can see how you think that,
11:54but I genuinely don't know what,
11:57like they're going to say on the caption.
11:59I'm just like,
12:00I think that's why I didn't think that it was about you.
12:04Regardless of Macy saying that she wasn't aware
12:07of what Makayla was going to say,
12:11at what point are you going to tune in
12:14to that's what she's continually doing?
12:16If you've already seen the first post,
12:17why are you in the second one?
12:18I genuinely feel like I need to have a conversation
12:21just one-on-one with Makayla
12:22before we even go on this girl's trip.
12:24Okay, well, maybe I'll talk to her
12:27and see like what she thinks
12:28and see if she's open to chatting with you in person.
12:32I mean, I can help like facilitate it.
12:33Hopefully everyone can come and have a little kumbaya.
12:36I was going to say kumbaya.
12:39I really want to talk to Makayla before the girl's trip
12:41because I'm not fully understanding
12:43why you still have such harsh feelings towards me.
12:46And even more than that,
12:48mom talk is driven by love and unity.
12:50And that's clearly not what Makayla's doing.
12:52She's doing the exact opposite, actually.
12:55Love you.
12:56Love you too.
12:57I'll talk to you later.
12:58Okay, bye.
12:58♪ Like a diamond ♪
13:04♪ With all the pressure, pressure, pressure ♪
13:07♪ I just get better, better, better ♪
13:09♪ Like a diamond, mama say remember ♪
13:17♪ Just keep shining ♪
13:18I got you flowers.
13:20For what?
13:21Because you're going to hit a million followers today.
13:23I think.
13:24Stop.
13:24I know.
13:25Demi and I are going to meet up to do Pilates today.
13:27It's one of our favorite workouts.
13:28We don't do it as much as we should,
13:30but we have the girls trip in a few days.
13:31So we got to look good.
13:32And Pilates is a good workout.
13:34Keep up, Jessie.
13:35Yeah, I'm home.
13:36Did you only get two hours of sleep or what?
13:39Look, I'm already shaking.
13:40We're going to be jiggling walking out of here.
13:42I feel like I'm giving birth.
13:44Your legs are goals.
13:46The one time a year I do it.
13:47Yeah, we're all wondering how she has those legs.
13:49Cause this is her first time in the gym
13:51for like, I think in three years.
13:54I truly work out maybe one to two days a year.
13:57I was not lying.
13:58So it must be good genetics,
13:59but I feel like I, you know,
14:01keep pretty active in the bedroom.
14:02So maybe Jordan's the reason for these legs.
14:04You think you're going to go to Whitney's baby shower?
14:07No.
14:08Yeah, I didn't think you would.
14:09I was just not.
14:09Are you?
14:10No, but I feel like she probably expects us all to go.
14:14Cause at Macy's dinner, she was like, remember Friday?
14:17Like kind of delusional.
14:18Like there's going to be bunnies.
14:19I'm like, that doesn't change anything.
14:21Yeah.
14:21Whitney dropped her baby shower announcement
14:24and that was the last thing I was expecting.
14:26I think it's a little strange
14:27because she knows that probably half the group
14:29isn't going to come.
14:30I think we want to host like a hibachi dinner that night.
14:32Cause Jordan's friend has this hibachi grill
14:35and he brings it out and he does the whole show for you.
14:37And he has like heat lamps.
14:38So you do it in the front yard, but it's like cozy.
14:40So I was thinking we should do that
14:41for the people not going.
14:42Yes.
14:43Like we might as well do something fun that night.
14:44It's going to be so interesting
14:45to see how the trip's going to go.
14:47Like I'm excited to go to Arizona and get out of the cold,
14:50but we saw how Park City and Vegas went.
14:52And I'm just like, please,
14:53can we just have like a calm, chill girls' trip?
14:57I am feeling very apprehensive about this girls' trip.
14:59I am not on the best terms with Whitney still.
15:02She has tried to reach out and mend things.
15:05I don't fully trust her
15:06and I'm not ready to hear what she has to say.
15:09Between that and Jen and the lies
15:12and not being able to trust her,
15:15it's just like,
15:16I don't want to be on a girls' trip with these people.
15:19Okay, Macy's dinner.
15:20Do you know who wrote the Jen is fake thing?
15:24No, I have no clue.
15:24Maybe this needs to be what comes out
15:26for her to be like, let's face these issues
15:28and like not be fake to each other anymore.
15:29I don't even know how to act around Jen right now.
15:31Like I feel awkward.
15:33I know.
15:33I'm feeling so weird about Jen.
15:35Zach called me.
15:37What?
15:38Yeah, like right before this.
15:39What did he say?
15:40We talked for like 45 minutes.
15:42What?
15:43So he said that he talked to Jordan
15:44about the whole Chippendale situation.
15:46Did you tell him we gave Jen a heads up?
15:48Yeah, I said, I thought that by giving Jen a heads up
15:51and I was like, I know you're not Jen,
15:53but I thought that you guys would be
15:54in communication enough.
15:55Zach's just really confused
15:57and it's another situation with Jen
15:59where like he's not being told the full truth.
16:00He's the one who told us,
16:02we're going to go together for exposure therapy.
16:04Yeah, I get where he's coming from.
16:05And this is what shocks me is that he fully was like,
16:09like her lying about the Ben Affleck thing.
16:11Like, why would she make that up?
16:13Okay, that's where for me, I'm like,
16:15this isn't a miscommunication.
16:16This isn't you hating confrontation.
16:17That is literally a pathological liar.
16:20At this point, I think Jen needs to be held accountable
16:23for all of the lies that are coming out.
16:24The last time we talked to her, we didn't know everything.
16:27So I think we were a little soft on her.
16:28But since that conversation,
16:30we're finding out more lies that have been told.
16:33I'm not interested in having a friend
16:34who lies about the weirdest things
16:36because what are you going to lie about about me?
16:38That's just not what mom talks about.
16:41What do we do?
16:42I have to do her hair tomorrow.
16:43Oh my hell.
16:45Like, how do I not talk to her about all of this
16:47while I'm doing it?
16:48But then how awkward that I'm like sitting there
16:49for three hours doing her hair
16:50and like calling her out for being a liar.
16:52How should I bring it up?
16:52Should I just be like, so I've kind of heard
16:54there's been some tension with Chip and Dale's.
16:56Like, how do you feel?
16:57Yeah, we're really confused.
16:58All of us are feeling very frustrated with you.
17:01I just feel so bad.
17:02Cause like last year when this all went down,
17:04I was like, no, I'm a girl's girl.
17:05Like you do not deserve to be treated this way.
17:07I've been treated this way.
17:08And I don't want it to feel like I'm flipping on her,
17:10but this has nothing to do with gender now.
17:12Like it's literally just the actions we're seeing.
17:13But I'm like, would you have to be that way?
17:16I'm sorry.
17:16We can't just blindly be like, she's a power.
17:19Like empowering women is being like,
17:21hey, step into your freaking power and like tell the truth.
17:35How are you feeling?
17:36I know the last couple of days and weeks have just been
17:39pretty much since we moved back.
17:40You either want to chop my head off or you're crying
17:43and you want to order cookies.
17:44I'm pregnant.
17:46Zach and I were really struggling
17:48after the Chip and Dale's prank,
17:50but we had a really good talk
17:52and we just want to block out all the noise
17:55and be a united front.
17:57It's definitely ironic that I chose mom talk over Zach
18:00and then mom talk screwed me over.
18:02Very ironic.
18:03Sure.
18:04I'm sorry, sweetie.
18:06The thing is like, you have me, you have your kids.
18:08Do you even want to be part of mom talk?
18:11I think being a part of mom talk
18:12is a huge responsibility for each of us
18:14because as a group, we're trying to influence the world.
18:19And I feel like if no one's-
18:21But what are you guys trying to influence?
18:22What are you trying to show women?
18:24We're trying to empower women.
18:24But you guys all just shit on each other.
18:28It's like a lot of the girls are just like followers
18:30and like whatever is convenient.
18:32Like it was popular to protect Jen.
18:33Now it's popular to say Jen's fake.
18:37It's just hard because like I really,
18:38in this next chapter of our life,
18:40am I doing everything I can to support you?
18:42And then you go hang out with these girls
18:44and you come home and you cry pretty much every time.
18:47And you're just like, this is what this person said about me.
18:49And I'm like, friends don't say that about each other.
18:50Like that's not a real thing,
18:51but it's like you're almost trapped
18:53because this is like your business and like-
18:55It's not even just that.
18:56It's just like, I truly feel like
18:58mom talk has so much potential.
19:01Well, I mean, obviously it's reached millions of people.
19:04I'm not denying that.
19:05I'm just saying how like you as a pregnant woman
19:07that's growing a baby, like it's not-
19:10Babe, you couldn't sleep last night.
19:13You literally had a panic attack.
19:15Yeah.
19:17Anyways, well, what do you want to do moving forward?
19:21As of right now, I think it's really important
19:23for me to rest and think of the baby that I'm carrying.
19:25And I do think that this is causing me a lot of stress.
19:27My relationship with the girls is falling apart.
19:30And I think it's because Jesse and Demi
19:33are trying to get the whole group against me.
19:35Part of me is wanting to people please so badly
19:38and just act like everything's okay.
19:39And I can't, like the uncomfortable feeling right now
19:42is the feeling that I need to have, even though it sucks.
19:47For so long, I've been a pushover.
19:49And for so long, I've had so many people walk all over me.
19:52I don't want to play the victim mentality anymore
19:54and run away from my issues.
19:55I'm not doing that.
19:56I'm just fed up at this point.
19:58And I want someone to finally hear me.
20:01I need to confront these issues.
20:02And if not, it's actually worse for me.
20:16What?
20:21Hello.
20:22Hi, welcome in.
20:23Hi, everything looks so good.
20:24I'm excited.
20:25Yes.
20:26I highly recommend the hot chocolate.
20:27Okay, let's do hot chocolate.
20:28That's perfect.
20:29That's perfect today.
20:30I was supposed to do Jen's hair,
20:32but she reached out and said
20:33she wanted to talk in person first.
20:34So we're just going to meet up
20:36and hash this out outside of the hair salon.
20:38I was super nervous about having to sit with her
20:40for hours doing her hair
20:41while potentially arguing and fighting.
20:43It would have been so uncomfortable.
20:46I just don't know what their intentions are
20:48behind all of this.
20:49I've asked them to stop talking shit
20:51about my husband and me.
20:53I'm done trying to keep the peace.
20:55Like they poked the bear and the claws are coming out.
20:57Like I'm done.
20:58You haven't seen the other side of me.
20:59You don't realize I was raised in the hood.
21:00Like watch out, all right?
21:02Catch me outside, how about that?
21:03Just kidding.
21:04You were born in Provo, Utah.
21:05Calm down.
21:06Yes, I was born in Provo, but raised in the hood.
21:08So, aye.
21:09I wish Demi was here as well.
21:12I feel like she's equally responsible
21:14for all of the stuff that has happened.
21:17But I decided to meet with just Jessie first
21:19because I feel like when they're together,
21:21they just team up.
21:22I just want to squash everything
21:24and ask why are you doing this to me?
21:27Hi.
21:28Oh my gosh.
21:30Not good to be honest, but it's okay.
21:31It's fine.
21:32What's going on?
21:33What's going on?
21:34What's going on?
21:35What's going on?
21:36What's going on?
21:36What's going on?
21:37What's going on?
21:38It's okay.
21:39It's fine.
21:40What's going on?
21:41Oh my gosh.
21:43I'm going to be,
21:44this is going to be a really hard conversation.
21:49First off, I just want to take accountability.
21:52I know I suck at confrontation
21:54and I know that can come off as two-faced,
21:56which I totally get that.
21:57But first off, I genuinely want to ask you,
22:00when have I intentionally ever tried to hurt you
22:05in our friendship?
22:06What are you talking about?
22:09That you continue to bash me in my relationship.
22:11Because of the things I want to talk about, yes.
22:12Honestly, it makes me question your character.
22:17Okay.
22:18Because I'm-
22:18Character is something we definitely need to talk about
22:20because you're the liar here.
22:22Okay, well what you think I'm lying about,
22:24I would love to confront you about
22:26and that's why I came here.
22:27Okay, let's start with Chippendales.
22:29Okay.
22:30Did Demi ask me for consent
22:32for Brett to dress up as a Chippendales dancer
22:35and for a performance?
22:36Yes, she did.
22:38She never mentioned flying down a maelstrom.
22:41She never mentioned-
22:42She said, there are things that I want to keep as a surprise
22:44and you said, totally go for it.
22:46That would be so fun.
22:47I'm totally good with it.
22:48And the fact that you said me and Zach
22:49are going to go to Chippendales ourselves,
22:52that means you're okay with the situation, Jen.
22:54No, the difference-
22:55How was it any different?
22:56What she told me was lighthearted.
22:57What actually happened was disrespectful.
22:59The Chippendales thing was all in good fun
23:01and considering what Jen had shared with us
23:03about Zach's progress in therapy,
23:05we thought this was all going to be safe territory,
23:08not something that would upset him.
23:09We kind of thought it was going to be closure
23:10for the whole Chippendales thing together.
23:12What would be lighthearted in that scenario?
23:14Jordan was literally grinding on me.
23:17It was-
23:17That was never-
23:18Jen, if you go to Chippendales,
23:19they put your hands on their ass.
23:21It's way worse at the real Chippendales.
23:23The difference is-
23:24But her intention-
23:25How was it different?
23:25Her intention-
23:26You guys go to Chippendales.
23:32I just wish you would have confronted me saying,
23:34okay, you don't know these big surprises
23:36and I know you're in a rocky place in your relationship.
23:39Is this okay?
23:40I wish you had asked me
23:42because I would have never given you guys consent
23:44for Jordan and this random male stripper
23:47to be grinding on me and touching me.
23:49A male stripper is a performer.
23:49It's a difference.
23:50Clearly, there's a lot of lies going on
23:52and those are the things that make me judge you
23:54because if you guys lie about being related to a celebrity,
23:56why?
23:57Oh, my hell.
23:58And you know that's going to come out.
24:00So it's very weird.
24:01Okay.
24:02You can lie about something like that.
24:03It makes me question your character.
24:04I'm lying.
24:05I'm lying.
24:06Your husband said,
24:07Jen made up this lie and I have been telling her to stop.
24:09We are not related to the athletes.
24:11I have told her to stop lying about it on podcasts.
24:13All that's been told to me,
24:14literally since the day that I started dating him.
24:16Then you have a communication problem
24:17because he said,
24:18I don't know where Jen came up with this.
24:19I've been telling her to stop talking about it.
24:20It's a lie.
24:22Jesse brings up the Ben Affleck situation.
24:24Again, I was telling everyone
24:26what I'd been told the past six years,
24:28but also what does this have to do with anything?
24:32At this point,
24:33it feels like they're harping on anything to put me down.
24:38When it feels like straight up bullying.
24:40You literally gaslight everyone saying
24:42that I had consent over everything that happened,
24:45which is not true.
24:46That's what you guys do.
24:47You do it.
24:48No.
24:49Yes.
24:50We are very honest.
24:50If anything, me and Demi are honest to a fault.
24:52We told everyone,
24:53Jen and Zach said they were going to go to Chippendales,
24:55that they wanted exposure therapy.
24:56So that I gained consent?
24:57Jen thought it was funny.
24:59For your husband to rub his little dick on me?
25:02He didn't rub his dick on you.
25:04You guys are such a crew.
25:06Okay, what's my pass?
25:07What's my pass?
25:08Give it to me.
25:09If you're asking to swim with us, it's a no.
25:11And I'm done with this conversation.
25:12I don't want to have this conversation.
25:16Oh my God.
25:34I'm excited for a good old sunshine bun.
25:37I've never heard of this place.
25:39Sunshine Buns.
25:39It's real.
25:41So there's no better time to tell you
25:43than I guess right now, since we're five minutes away.
25:46Oh Lord.
25:50So Whitney called me,
25:52and I guess she's been wanting to talk to you.
25:54And she's like, why don't we just meet there or something?
25:57Meet where?
25:58At the Sunshine Buns.
25:59No.
26:00Okay, you take me home.
26:02Whitney and I were like best friends for almost two years.
26:05And I felt like people didn't get a lot of that context
26:08of why our friendship fell out.
26:10It really all started in Park City.
26:12I felt like I was being left out of the friend group.
26:14I was going through a lot in my chronic illness.
26:16I had a couple of conversations with her about it.
26:18And it was almost like she gaslit me and flipped it on me
26:22and made it seem like, oh, well,
26:24you're doing this to yourself
26:25or you're going through this.
26:26She involved me with no explanation
26:28and then showed up to my birthday party
26:30just to talk to Macy.
26:32I think she wants to talk
26:33because the girls' trip's coming up
26:34and she thinks that you hate her.
26:36Well, it's because she's obsessed with herself.
26:40Lately, I feel like mom talk
26:41is turning on each other left and right.
26:43It's really sad to see
26:44because I feel like we're supposed to be women
26:46supporting each other.
26:46We're taught in the church to love one another,
26:49to be Christ-like and to be forgiving,
26:51but it doesn't feel like that's happening.
26:53The girls' trip is coming up
26:54and I really just want no hostility.
26:56So I figured this was kind of my shot
26:57at just trying to get Whitney and Mikayla together,
27:00see if they can work it out.
27:01However, I just don't know if that's gonna happen.
27:03It's gonna be really sunshiny at Sunshine Buns.
27:13I don't have anything to say to her.
27:15You can make it two minutes.
27:16I'm gonna make it less than two minutes.
27:20Okay, well, I'll call you.
27:23You're gonna call me right now?
27:23I'll just call you and put you on mute.
27:25Well, no, you're gonna come in there with me still
27:27because-
27:27And then you're gonna call me
27:28and I'm gonna put you on mute.
27:30And then, or no, you have to put it on mute
27:32because then I can't hear you.
27:33Yes.
27:34And you know our safe word.
27:35What's the safe word?
27:37Our safe word, sisterhood.
27:38If I say sisterhood, then you oughta, I don't know,
27:41say you have to go pick up your kids
27:42from school or something.
27:43Since I'm being held against my will to this conversation,
27:46I have to make a safe word.
27:48Hello.
27:48Hello.
27:49I just wanna hear what she has to say to me
27:52and then I'm ready to go.
27:53Sisterhood.
27:54You guys can talk and I'll just chill in the car.
27:56Bye.
27:57Sorry, hold on.
27:58I gotta make sure Jace is picking up my kids.
28:02Okay.
28:04Can we dive more into what's been bothering you about me?
28:09Yeah, I mean, I honestly don't care to really say much more.
28:14I wanted to know why you wanted to have this conversation.
28:20Why can't I hear anything?
28:21I feel like for me, I was like,
28:23I don't really care to put energy into it.
28:24So if you feel like something's bothering you,
28:27I'd love to know.
28:29I think Makayla muted herself.
28:35I care about you and I wanna know
28:37what we can do to move past this.
28:39I don't care to have the friendship.
28:42I didn't wanna have this conversation.
28:43Why did you wanna have the conversation?
28:45Because I wanna move past this, Makayla.
28:46Then you pass it.
28:50If you wanna move past it,
28:51you're throwing yourself into the group.
28:52It's kind of hard to move past it
28:53when every time I open the internet,
28:54you're always making blatantly explicit videos about me.
28:56Then don't look at my stuff.
28:57I don't follow you.
28:58It's on my For You page.
28:59It just pops up.
29:00Well, not everything's about you.
29:02You're the one making it about me.
29:04You're so delusional
29:05and you think that everyone's always coming for you.
29:07Whitney refuses to acknowledge
29:09anything that makes her look bad
29:10or makes her look like the villain.
29:12You're very explicit about how you feel about me online.
29:15If I wanna make videos about you,
29:16I can do that,
29:17because you're not my friend.
29:20You're exactly right.
29:21Okay, so you're not my friend,
29:22but you can blatantly harass me on the internet.
29:24I'm not blatantly harassing you on the internet.
29:26Then what are you doing?
29:27I'm posting my videos.
29:28What is it that you're doing?
29:29It's like I go through conversations with her
29:31where it's like 10 different personalities that I'm seeing.
29:34She has like her victim voice where she goes very soft
29:36and then she goes psycho off the rails
29:38where she's yelling and banging on things.
29:40And from this conversation,
29:41the only thing I'm taking is that Whitney was upset
29:43by videos that I posted on social media.
29:47Okay, I will be cordial to you in person
29:49when we're at group or work events.
29:51If it's a friendship thing,
29:52So we'll be cordial in person,
29:54but we'll harass her online.
29:55No one's harassing you again.
29:56Did you just hear what I said?
29:57No one's harassing you on the internet.
29:59I feel like she's harassing me.
30:00If you feel like that,
30:01then come to me and tell me.
30:02That's what I'm doing right now.
30:03You call Macy every single time
30:04and you put her in the middle yet again.
30:06I asked her why she was in the video.
30:09So in Ephesians 4, 32, it says,
30:12be kind to one another, tenderhearted,
30:14forgiving each other,
30:15just as God and Christ also has forgiven you.
30:18That's clearly not what's happening right now.
30:22At this point, it's kind of like a sisterhood
30:24that we've created that you removed yourself from.
30:30Moving forward with like mom talk
30:32and that sisterhood there.
30:37I don't know, it just puts a tricky dynamic
30:39on like our sisterhood.
30:44I'm three sisterhoods deep.
30:45Why is she not coming in?
30:49I'm like sisterhood this, sisterhood that,
30:52and she's still not coming in.
30:57Where do you want to leave things off?
30:59Moving forward,
31:00it's just being cordial in group situations.
31:03That's it.
31:04Okay.
31:05I just don't understand.
31:07And I hate that I don't understand, but I don't.
31:10It just sucks.
31:12We were best friends, me, Macy, Michaela.
31:15It just feels helpless.
31:16Like there's nothing I can do
31:18to break down this wall.
31:19If you have harsh feelings towards me, Michaela,
31:23like whatever, you go ahead and deal with that.
31:25But can we please just be civil
31:28and respect each other when we go on this girl's trip?
31:31I couldn't hear one word.
31:32It was like, it was on mute.
31:34I muted you.
31:35Yes, you ding dong.
31:36You muted me.
31:37I'm the one who's supposed to mute you.
31:38You know how many fucking times I was saying sisterhood?
31:40It was comical.
31:41Like I was like, I feel like I almost started laughing.
31:44I was like, this is my sisterhood that I chose.
31:49Stop.
31:49It was comical.
31:50I was like, this is a fucking joke.
31:53I was like, you're calling Macy about it.
31:55She's like, Macy was in the video.
31:56And I said, Macy can do whatever the hell she wants.
31:58How many times do I have to say, it's not about you?
32:01And as far as like the girl's trip,
32:02I'll just go and continue to ignore her.
32:05Oh no.
32:06No one's like, we don't owe you anything.
32:08We have a whole group of people
32:09going through their own shit.
32:11Yeah, I get it.
32:15That's it.
32:16I'm glad you enjoyed yourself.
32:18♪ Yeah we lit, yeah we lit, yeah we lit ♪
32:20♪ And we gon' turn the party out till the sun come up ♪
32:34Hi.
32:35Hi, baby.
32:43Dakota is coming over so we can discuss our relationship
32:48and where it goes from here.
32:50As hard as it is, my mom and sister,
32:52they do have a point.
32:53I need to take a step back
32:55because everything's so clouded
32:56when we're like sleeping together.
32:57Like, I think this is just a cycle
32:59that I would like to break.
33:00It's quite a night, huh?
33:01Good night, Amber.
33:04I don't think Dakota would ever be on board
33:07of like a full on break.
33:09I think he sees end game.
33:10So I'm the one who has to initiate this
33:13because I don't think he's wanting to.
33:16Oh my gosh.
33:17What?
33:18Nothing, I'm just tired.
33:20Yeah, same.
33:22And I actually slept so hard last night
33:24for like the first time ever.
33:26Good.
33:27I was out.
33:28Good, I'm glad you're out.
33:30What?
33:33You've been out for like a month and a half now?
33:36Mm-hmm.
33:37And like, it's still the same.
33:40It's the same song and dance every day.
33:42Yeah.
33:44And I feel like what my heart wants
33:48is to like obviously work on a chance with us
33:53like for our family, but nothing's changing.
33:59So I'm like, I think you're exhausted.
34:01I'm exhausted.
34:02There's really no other answers other than like,
34:06I feel like taking a good step back.
34:14And I hate to say it, but it's the truth, like.
34:20Yeah.
34:39Yeah.
34:41Yeah.
34:44I mean, for me, I don't want anything or anyone else.
34:50I still want you.
34:52I still want my family.
34:55But, like, I don't think nothing changes if nothing changes,
34:59you know?
35:02I think it's just really hard,
35:04because we've both come from very broken places.
35:07We've both hurt each other tremendously in many ways.
35:11And I know I have tons of things that, you know,
35:14are so hard for me to just work through.
35:17Our situation is, like, the worst situation ever.
35:21Every pain point Taylor has,
35:24I am someone that activates that for her.
35:28It's hard, because I've never loved anyone more than I have Taylor.
35:32But the best thing I can do is give her space.
35:36And for me, my whole focus right now is to just be the best dad.
35:41I want him to have a really happy life,
35:43regardless if me and Taylor are ever together or not.
35:46I guess the next thing would be ever.
35:50Are you wanting to still do the night situation?
35:54Yeah, I'll just keep him all night.
35:55Okay, yeah.
35:57See, that's the part that makes this so hard.
36:01I mean, it's part of co-parenting, yeah.
36:03No, no, yeah, I know.
36:04It's the worst thing ever.
36:05Yeah, I just, yeah, I've never...
36:12Yeah, I've never experienced it, though, so...
36:16Yeah, it's hell.
36:17Yeah, I think it's just hard, because he's so young.
36:19I know.
36:25It's really hard to imagine a life without Dakota.
36:29It would be, like, it'd be another loss for me.
36:33But there is, like, just a cycle of fight all day,
36:37and then he'll come over, and then we'll sleep together,
36:40and then there's, like, love.
36:41But the cycle is more toxic than good days.
36:50I do love Dakota, and so it's not something I want to give up,
36:54but I do feel like it's the best thing for us.
37:04Oh, you're okay, you're okay.
37:18Oh, my gosh, so freaking cute.
37:22Here, maybe?
37:23She's a fairy.
37:24Oh, real quick.
37:25Obviously, the conversation with Mikaela didn't go well.
37:28I'm striking out of the game right now,
37:30but I'm so excited to celebrate baby Billy.
37:34It's going to be great.
37:36Oh, my gosh, so freaking cute.
37:38What is this?
37:39I don't know what the bunnies are for.
37:40I just, like, wanted people to be able to go and hold a bunny.
37:43Oh, my gosh, Whitney.
37:46Because I have Billy with me,
37:47I knew that everybody was going to want to hold him,
37:50but I didn't want that to happen, so I was like,
37:52hey, like, here's something cute and fuzzy and cuddly
37:55that you can hold to get that fix.
37:58Bunnies stink.
38:00No, it's fine.
38:06Hello.
38:07I love them.
38:08How are you?
38:09Good.
38:10I know, isn't it so beautiful?
38:12Wait, I love this.
38:13I know, there's, like, a little flower bar.
38:15We've got the balloons.
38:17And I love this.
38:18This is cute.
38:19I know, I feel like a little fairy.
38:20I could barely breathe in this dress,
38:22but this is the best I've ever felt,
38:24like, with all my pregnancies.
38:25Well, Connor did get a vasectomy today.
38:28He's dead.
38:29No!
38:30I'm curious to know if they show up.
38:32Yeah, I don't know.
38:33Like, Demi and Jessie and...
38:34Yeah.
38:35I don't think Mikaela's going to come.
38:36I mean, I'd be shocked if Laila and Taylor didn't come.
38:38I mean, no, Miranda's coming, because we just talked.
38:40I don't know if Laila's good with me.
38:41She was the one who wrote the note
38:43saying that I was fake or something.
38:45How did you find that out?
38:47Macy told me that.
38:48Yeah.
38:49Laila was the one who wrote the confession.
38:52I feel bummed about it,
38:54but at the same time,
38:56I don't think her intention was to tear me down.
38:59I think her intention was to still be included in the group,
39:03because some of the most vocal girls,
39:06Demi and Jessie,
39:07were having these opinions about me.
39:09I'm so done with them,
39:11and I'm done going to Jay-Z Styles 2.
39:14Well, damn.
39:16Yeah.
39:24Hello, guys.
39:26Hi.
39:27Right now, my focus is being the best version of myself,
39:30and so I decided to come to Whitney's baby shower
39:34because even though she didn't support me at my baby shower,
39:37I don't think I have to be petty back
39:39and be like, I'm not going to come to yours.
39:41The other girls didn't want to come,
39:43and I feel like they did that to be petty.
39:46Honestly, it's true.
39:48Hello.
39:50Hi.
39:51You look so beautiful.
39:53Today is Whitney's baby shower,
39:54and I'm going to go support her, be a good friend,
39:56because that's what I would want in a friendship.
39:59Thanks for coming.
40:00Love you.
40:01Granted, I didn't get that in return in the past,
40:03but I think we're trying to take steps forward
40:05and kind of move forward in our friendship.
40:07Hey, guys.
40:08I want to welcome you, though,
40:10officially to Whitney's baby shower.
40:13And Billie's.
40:14And Billie's.
40:16Babies are such a blessing from God,
40:20and we are so happy that you're all here
40:23to celebrate with us.
40:25Thanks for coming.
40:26We love you guys.
40:27And enjoy.
40:30Yay.
40:31I'm so happy with the women that did show up.
40:33I'm loving seeing Macy here.
40:35Hopefully, we can just leave the past behind us.
40:37I'm not surprised that Taylor showed up,
40:38because I felt like we were rekindling that relationship,
40:41so I'd be pissed if she didn't show up.
40:43I would have had my mom call her and say,
40:46why aren't you here?
40:48I want to hear about all the girl drama, actually.
40:50Oh, it's been a lot.
40:52I don't know anything.
40:54Some s**t went down.
41:04You're cool.
41:06Hello.
41:07Good.
41:08How are you?
41:10Hi.
41:11So cute.
41:12I love you.
41:13We're going to a little fall dinner tonight
41:15over at Jordan and Jessie's,
41:17and we're having a little hibachi night.
41:19This trumps a baby shower all day long.
41:22Hello.
41:23Hi.
41:24Welcome.
41:25Are you alone?
41:26Yeah.
41:27Where's Tim?
41:28Wait, what?
41:29That's so sad.
41:30Tim has practice.
41:31I know.
41:32Everyone's at the baby shower but us.
41:33I know.
41:34So this is like the rebellion.
41:35Wait, you guys don't want to go and support?
41:36I mean.
41:37I mean, support what?
41:39The baby's here.
41:42I don't regret not showing up to Whitney's baby shower,
41:44because I feel like she invited the group
41:46as a whole as a formality,
41:48and she also knows we're still on rocky ground.
41:50So I'm good to Whitney in situations
41:52where we're doing things as a group,
41:54but I don't think I owe it to her
41:55to go to a baby shower quite yet.
41:57All right, you guys all like fire, right?
41:59Yes.
42:03All right, are you guys ready
42:04to start catching shrimp in your mouth?
42:06Yes, sir.
42:07We'll go to you first.
42:08Okay, this isn't a representation
42:09of how I am with my mouth.
42:12Demetria.
42:13Demet.
42:14All right, you ready?
42:15Yeah.
42:16You got one more?
42:17Ooh.
42:18Oh!
42:19You're not doing well with your mouth.
42:21Okay.
42:22Standing up.
42:24Oh, she did it!
42:25She did it!
42:26I'm ready.
42:28Woo!
42:29Oh, no!
42:32Did you even open your mouth?
42:34Layla took that shrimp like a beast
42:36straight to the forehead.
42:38Nowhere near her mouth,
42:39and her tongue's out, and her mouth's open,
42:41and she's like, ah.
42:43Her splat.
42:44Hilarious.
42:45I wonder what they're doing at Whitney's shower.
42:47Probably, like, milking cows.
42:50Taylor, you want a bunny?
42:51I don't like bunnies.
42:52You can go hold a bunny.
42:55I think mine peed.
42:57I don't mind Whitney at this point, honestly.
43:00It's Jen.
43:02No, yeah, Jen's my new Whitney.
43:04It's my new Roman Empire.
43:05There's this many people who have had lies.
43:08It's not an isolated situation.
43:09It's like, no, this lie, this lie, this lie.
43:10So it's like, at what point are you just
43:12not gonna look like a liar?
43:13Like, it's bad.
43:15They're so outlandish, the lies.
43:16Yeah!
43:17And they're so specific, too.
43:18It's so weird.
43:19Apparently, Jen said that Jordan
43:21had his tiny dick all over her.
43:23No, he didn't, first of all.
43:25But also, where's this hostility coming from?
43:27Like, what could possibly have switched so quickly
43:32with one little Chippendales performance
43:34that you consented to?
43:36You consented to.
43:37I'm just preparing for whatever happened
43:40with Jessie to happen to me.
43:42She is brave to go on this trip, in my opinion,
43:44because it's like, Layla has issues with her.
43:46I have issues with her.
43:47You guys have issues with her.
43:48It makes sense that her and Whitney are the ones
43:50that are getting close, though.
43:51Yeah, it does.
43:52They're the only ones that can.
43:53Like I said, the delusion likes company.
43:56It's really hard to catch me at a loss for words,
43:58but I was completely shocked after my argument with Jen
44:01because the accusations she was throwing
44:03were just crazy to me.
44:05Like, if this is an invitation to swing,
44:07the answer is no.
44:08First of all, Zach would not be my first choice
44:10in this group of husbands.
44:11Second of all, I did have a situation
44:14in a past relationship,
44:15and it did involve swinging.
44:18But that was way in my past
44:20and something I shared with her in confidence,
44:22and it just kind of shows me
44:23that she's willing to throw daggers
44:25when she feels backed into a corner.
44:26I don't know if this is a defense mechanism of Jen's,
44:29but I don't want anything to do with a friend like that.
44:32Like, it's bleeding into our friend group
44:33and to mom talk,
44:35and that's where it's not okay for me.
44:38Wait, Jen, what's your issue with Jesse and Demi?
44:41But she can tell this is kind of a sensitive topic.
44:44I'm just like, what was your intention?
44:46I mean, I asked Jesse this.
44:48I'm like, when have I intentionally ever tried to hurt you?
44:52So what's your issue with Demi then?
44:54Yes.
44:55Some things went down in Italy.
44:56Like, I'll just straight up say it.
44:58Like, she was literally playing truth or dare
45:00with a ton of single men.
45:02Did she kiss them?
45:04One of them kissed her on the cheek.
45:09I called her out for it.
45:10She gave me crap for it.
45:12You think I'm gonna have your back and stick up for you
45:15when you know you screwed up?
45:17I do feel like Demi sits on her high horse
45:20and looks down at all of us.
45:21A lot of what she does is trashy.
45:23So what else is trashy that I do then,
45:24since a lot of it is?
45:25Well, I mean, the whole swinging thing was trashy.
45:27Sure, we got that down.
45:28What else?
45:29That whole era of your life.
45:31I'm also not gonna defend Chase in anything.
45:33But I do feel like Demi did throw Chase
45:36touching her out of proportion.
45:38Your girlfriend's literally crying and just left.
45:40Like, that's probably...
45:42Where's your husband?
45:43He's upstairs.
45:44Don't touch me again.
45:45Brett!
45:46He just laid his hands on me.
45:48What the hell?
45:49Yeah.
45:50She's always prying at us and our issues.
45:51And it's like, you actually don't share
45:53a damn thing about your life.
45:54So, I mean, I would like you to open that lens
45:56and let's see what yours looks like.
45:57So you feel like they were, like, coming at you
45:59in your marriage?
46:00Yeah.
46:01So you asked her about the confession
46:03that Macy got with her and Brett?
46:05Wait, what?
46:06What?
46:07Um, I didn't know if Macy told you
46:09she got a confession about Demi and Brett.
46:11It said, Brett slept with me while Demi was away.
46:13It said, I slept with Demi's husband last year
46:16while she was away.
46:17I'm like, yeah, that's not true.
46:18Demi doesn't go a day away from Brett, so...
46:20Besides the girls' trip we did in June.
46:23It's the ones you never expect,
46:24and that's why it's crazy.
46:25But that is true.
46:28Wait, Brett was sleeping with someone
46:31when Demi was away?
46:32Yes.
46:34Now, where I have an issue is when she's
46:36asking me for truth.
46:38Let's talk about you and your husband.
46:40That's messy.
46:42That's messy.
46:43I feel for Jen because it's like,
46:45if people are digging and messing with her relationship,
46:47she has every right to have a backbone
46:49and fight back.
46:50I probably feel the same way.
46:52I just am so dreading the minute Jen tries
46:54to come out with the grenades.
46:56I know she's gonna do it.
46:57She's gonna come at you for the fake thing.
46:59Let her.
47:00I have nothing to hide.
47:01She's gonna make herself look dumb.
47:03If she comes in below the belt,
47:04I will absolutely dominate her.
47:06I will make her look like such a fool.
47:08Between all the different opinions
47:10and people taking sides,
47:12I just can't see this going any other way
47:14but a pure bloodbath.
47:16I am absolutely packing extra super tampons.
47:20She's disgusting.
47:21I don't want to be associated with her.
47:23I'm like, you have no idea what's coming for you.
47:25Going into this girls' trip,
47:26Mikaela and I are worse than when we started.
47:28Jesse and Jen definitely don't need to be in a room together.
47:31Demi needs to be very careful about calling people out
47:33because we all know she's got skeletons in her closet.
47:36All I know is shit is definitely gonna go down
47:38at this girls' trip.
47:39Wow, this will be great to be all together.
47:42Yikes, yikes, yikes, yikes.
47:45Yikes, yikes, yikes.
47:51Mom talk, Mom talk, Mom talk, Mom talk.
47:56Oh, oh shit.
47:58Oh, no, she's fine, she's fine.
47:59Okay.
48:00Bye, baby, I'll see you tonight.
48:02I almost said I love you.
48:04Well, I do, but you know what I'm saying.
48:05Yeah.
48:08It's time for Mormon Girls Gone Wild.
48:10We're gonna play pregnancy roulette.
48:13No.
48:14Question of the day, where's Jen?
48:18Jen likes to put on a facade that she's always happy.
48:21She cries like every day,
48:22and it's 90% related to the girls.
48:24Demi has skeletons in her closet.
48:26Does Jen know there's skeletons?
48:30All right, you guys, I have a surprise.
48:32Another truth box.
48:33Dear God.
48:35I was there in Italy.
48:36Like, I saw everything.
48:37Yeah.
48:38Why would you be talking to him that much?
48:39Like, it doesn't add up to me.
48:41I feel like Demi is trying to break the soul of mom talk.
48:45I've also been told that you think
48:46you deserve the biggest brand deal.
48:48It's not a shock that I was a fan favorite.
48:50I just think you're a fake.
48:52Am I the only one that cares about loyalty?
48:55Taylor, why do you think we're, like,
48:57preying on your downfall?
48:58Because look at the two girls it is.
49:00She's a disgusting human being.
49:02You're just a selfish bitch.
49:04She needs help.
49:05She needs to go be a fucking mom,
49:07and she does not get my sympathy anymore.
49:09If Taylor's in, I'm out.