The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 2 Episode 6
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00:00Party time.
00:00It's a party.
00:02Well, Jen hasn't been responding to me.
00:05So I'm just going to head over there.
00:06You're going to go just see?
00:07Yeah, I'm just going to knock on the door.
00:09OK.
00:10Macy's invited all of the girls to go support her
00:12for this pickleball tournament that she's hosting
00:14in Scottsdale, Arizona.
00:16Jen and I were going to ride to the airport together.
00:18And this morning, she's completely MIA.
00:23Technically, I'm not back in mom talk.
00:26But I'm so grateful that Macy invited me on this trip
00:29because it's going to give me the chance to rekindle
00:32and hopefully mend some relationships that
00:34really need mending.
00:37Jen, how are you?
00:40Can I come in?
00:41Yeah.
00:42OK.
00:43Oh, gosh.
00:45I'm sorry.
00:47No, you're fine.
00:48You don't need to apologize for that.
00:50Oh, gosh.
00:52It looks like fun.
00:53Looks like there was a party here.
00:57This is mostly Zach.
00:59This is Zach trying to convince me.
01:01What, to go?
01:03No, to just eat.
01:04Oh.
01:07I'm so confused.
01:08When we were talking yesterday, you seemed like everything
01:10was OK.
01:11I think it's just prenatal depression
01:17and a combination of just so many things
01:20I can't even figure out.
01:22Yeah.
01:23I think I first started feeling depressed
01:27when I realized what needed to change in my life
01:30and in my marriage.
01:31But it wasn't until after I found out I was pregnant
01:35that I truly hit rock bottom.
01:38Just some things happened yesterday.
01:42What?
01:42What happened?
01:44I don't even know what happened yesterday.
01:46Oh, Jen.
01:48Oh, my god.
01:50OK.
01:56I don't even want to talk about this right now.
01:58You don't have to.
02:00We're just going to try to figure this out.
02:04It's just not OK.
02:07Zach and I were driving in the car.
02:13And I don't know what got into me.
02:17But I just had a thought that I don't want to be here anymore.
02:32I think I just need to take care of myself and my body
02:37so I can be able to take care of this baby
02:39and take care of my kids.
02:42And you're exactly right.
02:45I never thought I would get to this point.
02:52And I don't want anyone to think of me any different.
02:58I feel bad that you're going on the trip.
03:01And I feel bad I can't be there.
03:04Don't feel bad.
03:06Don't feel bad.
03:06You take care of yourself first.
03:08That's the priority, always, no matter what.
03:12So when somebody asks me, like, hey, why is Jen not here?
03:15Yeah.
03:16What do you want me to say?
03:21Yeah, I would just tell them that I'm pregnant and sick.
03:24OK.
03:26Because that's not lying.
03:27That is part of what's going on.
03:29Yeah.
03:30So I'm worried that you're going to miss your flight.
03:33You're fine.
03:34I don't know how comfortable I feel leaving
03:35without Zach being here.
03:38Let me clean up some of this food.
03:40I'm sad Jen's not going to be able to come to Scottsdale
03:43with all of us, because it's going to feel like a part of mom
03:45talk is missing.
03:46But I think she's making the right decision to focus
03:50and prioritize her mental health.
03:52I don't really know what I can do,
03:54but what I'm going to try and do is just cheer her up.
03:58Oh my gosh, stop.
03:59OK.
04:01Stop.
04:03That's the only thing that has stopped.
04:08You're kidding me.
04:10Oh my god, Jen, no.
04:40Intimidation, intimidation.
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05:26I've never been on a stripper pole.
05:27Mom talk.
05:28I didn't even see that.
05:29This is so cool.
05:30Mom talks, girls trips.
05:31I mean, it could go one or two ways.
05:32Sometimes it's connecting.
05:33Sometimes it's disconnecting.
05:34But I'm really hoping me going on this trip
05:35will be a huge turning point with me
05:36and the relationship as a whole in mom talk.
05:37Everyone has to take one go
05:38because it's actually really fun.
05:39Yeah, we.
05:40Woo!
05:41Woo!
05:42I thought this was going to be
05:43like the middle of a life switch.
05:44What?
05:45What?
05:46What?
05:47What?
05:48What?
05:49What?
05:50What?
05:51What?
05:52What?
05:53What?
05:54What?
05:55What?
05:56What's a life switch?
05:57What?
05:58I don't know!
05:59What's a life switch?
06:00It's a girl on TikTok!
06:01Did your coochie healed?
06:02No.
06:03No, this is not a good idea.
06:04You literally could bleed out, dude.
06:05You can't bleed out.
06:06Yes!
06:07No, I don't have stitches!
06:08No, but you're healing on the inside too.
06:09Be careful, be careful.
06:10Yeah.
06:11All right.
06:12Hey, where's Jen?
06:13What's happening?
06:14What's going on with that?
06:15You guys are her besties, so.
06:16Yeah.
06:17No, she's really sick.
06:18Jen not wanting to come to Scottsdale.
06:19I genuinely believe she's scared
06:21to face me and Jesse specifically.
06:24I think she's just being a coward.
06:27Check your phone if it wasn't obvious enough.
06:30No, my favorite was when you were like in the airport
06:33for like five seconds and you're like,
06:34hi babe, I miss you.
06:35And I was like, didn't he just drop you off?
06:38No, he didn't.
06:38I had to go a whole car ride without him.
06:40Oh, okay.
06:41See, but here's the thing.
06:42We're together a lot throughout the day,
06:43but we also have our different routines.
06:45Like he'll go to the gym for a couple hours.
06:47He goes and works and stuff.
06:48But like, we're always in contact.
06:50Like we never run out of things to talk about.
06:53I did hear that Brett did sleep with someone
06:56in Macy's Sinner Sunday Confession Box,
06:59but it's never been confirmed.
07:00I think to me, maybe she is projecting
07:03like this perfect relationship.
07:04So I've seen it a lot here, especially in Utah.
07:06They want everyone to think that they have
07:08like this perfect family and whatever.
07:10It's overcompensation for something.
07:11And I don't know what.
07:12But think about it when you had like best friends growing up
07:14like you guys were like attached at the hip.
07:17That's kind of how Brett and I are.
07:21Okay, ready?
07:22Yes.
07:23Let's go!
07:32I got asked to host the USA Pickleball Celebrity Tournament
07:35in Arizona, and I'm so excited.
07:37I have a lot planned for this trip.
07:38I hope there are enough distractions
07:40to where the girls can just avoid the usual drama
07:43and love one another.
07:45Let's do this, girls.
07:47Look, it's fancy.
07:49My ass is asleep.
07:51Viva!
07:52Scottsdale, Scottsdale!
07:55We arrived to the villa and it is absolutely gorgeous.
08:03It has a pool and a hot tub and a big open living room.
08:07So if we're going to fight this weekend,
08:08at least leave a mansion to do it in.
08:10Hi!
08:11How are you?
08:11Hi.
08:12Thanks for hugging me.
08:13My other friends just went straight to your villa.
08:16This is nice.
08:17Taylor!
08:18What?
08:19Do you want to be in this room with me?
08:21Look, this can be your bed, Tay.
08:23You can have your own bed.
08:25I don't mind sleeping on the bunk bed.
08:26No, you're postpartum.
08:27No, I don't!
08:28I really don't mind it.
08:29I don't either.
08:29No, I'm going to sleep on the bunk bed.
08:30I honestly will sleep wherever you guys.
08:32Where'd the girls go?
08:33Grape is my favorite one.
08:34Where'd the saints go?
08:35There's the pickleball queen.
08:38There she is.
08:40I'm wondering where you whores were.
08:41You whores.
08:42This is the party room.
08:44It seems like it.
08:45It is going to be.
08:47Not at all.
08:48Yes, question of the day.
08:49Where's Jen?
08:50Well, she's not here.
08:51She's back at home.
08:52Where is she?
08:53Where is she and why?
08:54She is pregnant.
08:59I'm shocked to hear that Jen's pregnant.
09:01I don't think it's the ideal time to have a baby
09:03because her and Zach have been struggling.
09:05It is making sense that she's been a little off,
09:08but it doesn't excuse the behavior
09:10and treating your friends badly.
09:11No, I was shocked too.
09:13I don't think it was planned.
09:14It never is planned, but she hasn't like,
09:16they don't protect at all.
09:17So I feel like if you're not protecting, you're planning.
09:19What is Zach thinking with like all the chaos
09:22that's been happening?
09:23A Band-Aid baby.
09:24Yay.
09:25What?
09:25The babies don't Band-Aid anything.
09:28I am so shocked.
09:30All of us have been pregnant.
09:31All of us have experienced modes of depression.
09:33And I'm just feeling like there's no relatability
09:35going on right now.
09:36Just like harping on her for not coming on this trip.
09:40And right now there needs to be more understanding.
09:43Should we go?
09:44Yeah, let's get ready.
09:45Let's go.
09:46Okay.
09:47Half of my suitcase is shoes, by the way.
09:50I feel like I smell like a fricking onion.
09:51I don't think you do.
09:52I think I do.
09:56Yeah.
09:57Ooh.
09:57Oh, ooh, I walked right by him.
09:58Sweet.
09:59I love poppy.
10:00I am obsessed with this.
10:01I'm going with this bad boy, gosh.
10:03Ooh, wait.
10:04I love it.
10:05Wait, this is so cute.
10:06Yeah, cute.
10:07They have a little menu right here.
10:08Serve and sip.
10:09The classic dirty pop.
10:10So which one's that one?
10:11This one?
10:12This one.
10:12This one.
10:13Wait, yum.
10:14Is it good?
10:15Yeah.
10:16This smells so good.
10:18Wow.
10:19Okay, so cute.
10:20Ooh.
10:21They actually have name tags.
10:22♪ There you go ♪
10:25Ooh.
10:27How does this taste?
10:28It looks so good.
10:29Very cute, Jay.
10:30All right, who's saying the prayer?
10:31Okay, prayer, guys.
10:33Whitney.
10:34Okay, ready?
10:35Dear Heavenly Father, we're so grateful for this day
10:38and to be able to be together as a MomTalk family.
10:43Oh, oh, oh.
10:45Please bless this food and bless
10:47that we can clear the air tonight
10:50and just hopefully get even closer than we are now.
10:53And we say this in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.
10:55Amen.
10:55You know that ain't gonna happen.
10:57Oh, oh.
10:58Oh, yeah.
10:59Whitney's prayer is hilarious.
11:01Another moment of Whitney's delusion.
11:03She's not a part of MomTalk,
11:05but if she wants to ask for some help from the man himself,
11:09she can go right ahead.
11:11Start here and I will be right back with more.
11:13Enjoy.
11:14Well, you and I were like-
11:15Go.
11:16I love piranha and I ate like all of it.
11:19With all of the lies and scrutiny going on
11:21within MomTalk lately,
11:22I think I have just the device to get us back on track.
11:24The truth box is back.
11:25I think it's the perfect way
11:27to get everything out in the open.
11:28We all agreed that it was a shit show last time,
11:30but they shouldn't be surprised that I'm doing this
11:33because I love instigating drama.
11:35All right, you guys, I have a surprise.
11:37Another truth box.
11:38Dear God.
11:40Jessie brings out the infamous golden box, the truth box,
11:45as if we didn't learn our lesson the first time.
11:48I feel like I'm the only one that has a brain anymore.
11:51Truly.
11:51I mean, I honestly thought Jen was going to be here
11:53and I have some things to ask her that I want truths about,
11:55but I actually think that with this group,
11:57like being together, this could be interesting.
11:59So think of some ideas for three and then we'll do it after.
12:04Jessie decided it would be a brilliant idea
12:06to bring another truth box onto this girl's trip.
12:10Hopefully because the one person
12:11that I feel like a lot of people wanted to ask questions to,
12:13Jen, isn't here.
12:15Maybe it'll go better, but I doubt it.
12:17Okay, we should go get our jammies on though.
12:20Yeah, I'm just too tired.
12:21Because I want to like get comfortable before we-
12:23I can't find it.
12:24Have fun.
12:29Tell the tables have turned.
12:30Yeah.
12:31So here we are for the truth box.
12:32Cute.
12:33Here comes the sinner.
12:34Here comes the sinner.
12:37All right, you guys, are you ready?
12:38God, no.
12:40I'm really trying to be present
12:41during this girl's trip right now,
12:42but I just can't get Jen off of my mind.
12:45I've just been texting her here and there,
12:47just checking in to make sure she's okay.
12:50All right.
12:51Here we go.
12:53Your first one, how do you feel?
12:55Horrible.
12:56Just get me out of here.
12:57Don't lie, you're excited.
12:59So excited.
13:00Jessie, is Jordan's dick really tiny like Jen said?
13:05Okay, I'm going to prove this once and for all.
13:07So.
13:10This isn't inappropriate.
13:11Don't worry.
13:12All of the girls had heard Jen's depiction
13:14of Jordan's small dick.
13:16So I gave Jordan a little handy
13:18and we got the ruler out, took a photo.
13:21No, I don't-
13:22No, Jessie.
13:23I have to.
13:24I have to.
13:25No, it's blurred out.
13:26It's blurred out.
13:27You don't want us to see anything.
13:28Jessie, no.
13:29I have to.
13:30No.
13:30No.
13:31Eight inches.
13:32Right there.
13:33Jessie, that's not fucking blurred out.
13:35You can see the damn tip.
13:37Amen.
13:39Whitney.
13:40Lovely.
13:41Do you actually care about the friendships in this room
13:42or do you care more about how the public perceives you?
13:45Oh.
13:46I totally get in the past how it would come across
13:48like I don't care and I'm trying to work on that
13:51to make it seem like I do.
13:53Cause I really do.
13:54Make it seem like you do or you do?
13:56No.
13:56No, cause that's what I just said.
13:58Cause I really do.
13:58I'm acting really hard to care about these friendships.
14:01To make it apparent that you care.
14:02Yes.
14:04Yes.
14:05Demi, did you know that Macy received
14:07Anonymous.
14:08Anonymous.
14:09Anonymous.
14:10Confession that said, in quotes,
14:12I slept with Demi's husband last year while she was away.
14:15Holy shit.
14:16Oh.
14:17Oh.
14:17Oh.
14:18Oh.
14:19Okay.
14:26Demi, did you know that Macy received an anonymous
14:29Anonymous.
14:30Anonymous.
14:31Confession that said,
14:33I slept with Demi's husband last year while she was away.
14:36Holy shit.
14:37Oh.
14:38We've been together literally,
14:39or we've been apart I think five days our whole marriage.
14:41Holy shit.
14:42And we are together constantly.
14:44If it did happen, it would be like,
14:46okay, sorry you chose that.
14:48I think you always find out.
14:49The truth always comes around.
14:51It does.
14:51It does, unfortunately.
14:53I don't know who wrote on the card
14:54that there was a rumor that Brett cheated.
14:56My guess is that they're trying to stir the pot.
14:58And my better guess is that it's someone
15:01who's unhappy in their own relationship.
15:03I'm not biting.
15:04And there's no need to even discuss this.
15:06It's silly.
15:07And it's not true.
15:09Oh, Jessie.
15:10Were you really kissing Marciano at TomTom publicly?
15:13Yes.
15:14Just kidding.
15:15Who is Marciano?
15:16He's the one that's from Villa in Italy.
15:18The guy that likes Demi in Italy.
15:19Oh my God.
15:20So we all had a friendship.
15:21Like that's the thing,
15:22is like we actually all had fun together.
15:23I'm asked about a rumor that I kissed Marciano in TomTom,
15:27which is a bar in LA, publicly.
15:29My first reaction was, if I'm gonna cheat,
15:31I'm not gonna do it publicly
15:32since that can easily be found out.
15:34So we all went out that night
15:35and we got stopped by so many people at TomTom and Sur,
15:38and people kept coming up to us and things like that.
15:40And then literally like a couple of days later,
15:42there were like rumors online
15:43that we were making out at TomTom.
15:44And I was like, what?
15:46Damn.
15:47Maybe they just thought I was Demi
15:48because there were drama with him and her anyway,
15:50and people get us mixed up.
15:52But no, it did not happen.
15:53Also, if I was like dumb enough to do that,
15:55I wouldn't do it in public.
15:56The first time I heard about that whole situation,
15:59I didn't believe it for a second,
16:01but I was just kind of messing with Jessie
16:02and reached out and was like,
16:04oh, when were you guys gonna tell me about this rendezvous?
16:06And just kind of joking around,
16:08knowing that nothing happened.
16:09Yeah, I didn't even see it online.
16:11Oh, well, that's good.
16:12This is how the rumor mill works.
16:14It's just silly to me.
16:15Next question.
16:16Okay.
16:17I got one about me and this is so funny.
16:18That was a lot.
16:20Jessie, are you worried Demi was willing
16:23to take a bigger contract,
16:24even if it meant you potentially being dropped from the show?
16:26We can't run away from this.
16:28I know.
16:28Okay, here we are.
16:30Demi and I did have a falling out a couple of months ago.
16:33It really rocked our friendship.
16:34We had a little disagreement about money.
16:37Demi basically was willing for Jessie to be off the show
16:40if she can kind of get paid more.
16:41Jessie comes out and says, actually, I'm not gonna walk.
16:44So you can walk to me, but I'm not.
16:47For me, I just said, in my head,
16:48I just don't want money to come between all of us.
16:50And I know that I was like on another way of thinking.
16:53Demi gets on a whole nother phone call with Mom Talk.
16:55Demi's like, yeah, fuck Jessie at this point.
16:57Like, let's push her to the side.
17:00She was talking mad shit.
17:00But I also know I'm in a situation
17:02that's different than everyone.
17:03I think if I was a millionaire, I wouldn't care either.
17:04Yeah, same.
17:07Jessie, you know, sits on an empire of this hair business
17:11and does really well financially.
17:13So it felt a little selfish to me.
17:15Emotions were high and I understood
17:17that like she felt that way.
17:18And I also don't think, and I could be wrong,
17:20but it was like her saying, specifically kick Jessie off
17:24and just give me a higher paycheck, you know?
17:26No, she said that.
17:27I'm kidding.
17:27She did say that.
17:28She did say that.
17:29Demi was willing to let Jessie go off the show
17:33for more money.
17:34It gave me a bad taste in my mouth,
17:36given that's her best friend.
17:38I do think Jessie is very forgiving to Demi
17:41and I can't quite understand why.
17:45Whitney, do you still not regret
17:48not going to Macy's Baby Mama launch?
17:52I feel like if I didn't make the mistake,
17:55I wouldn't have known how to make things right.
17:57Did you regret it or do you not?
17:58That's what it said.
18:00But-
18:01Is it a yes or no?
18:02I'm saying no, because I'm saying
18:04if I didn't make the mistake,
18:05I wouldn't have known how to make it right.
18:07I just feel like I would say I regret it,
18:10but wish I handled it differently.
18:11I get that.
18:13Hearing that Whitney still doesn't regret
18:15coming to my Baby Mama event actually has me shocked
18:18because I feel like I've done a lot
18:19to try to get her back into mom talk,
18:21to bring her on the group.
18:22I mean, I didn't even have to invite her
18:23on this Arizona trip, but I did
18:24because I'm trying to be a good friend.
18:26So it feels like she doesn't care
18:27about what she did to hurt me.
18:30Okay.
18:31Oh,
18:33Mikayla.
18:34Do you ever see you and Whitney working things out?
18:37I do not.
18:41Forgiveness may be godly,
18:42but I feel like so is sticking up for yourself,
18:45especially when someone has had a million chances.
18:47I feel like I've reached the tipping point
18:49of putting up with people's shit.
18:51I'm trying to protect mom talk and my own peace.
18:54I said I'm fine to be cordial, but I don't,
18:55I mean, that's us working it out.
18:58Fair.
18:59All right.
19:00Guys, you made it, girl.
19:01Yeah.
19:01We're done?
19:02Oh, we're good.
19:03We did it.
19:04♪ I'm thinking wow ♪
19:08♪ I need it now ♪
19:11Okay, you guys, I saw a girl on TikTok
19:12who said she was in the ER about to get a surgery
19:14because she said she got Jack Hammered too hard
19:16and it twisted her ovary or something.
19:19♪ Twisting, wow, wow, wow ♪
19:21Jack Hammered?
19:22I looked it up.
19:23Bam, bam, bam, bam.
19:24There's also a position.
19:25What's the position?
19:26I thought it, wasn't it the leg up one?
19:29How uncomfortable.
19:31Let me get you on the bacon.
19:33I want to have a conversation with Macy
19:35because I thought we were good,
19:36but with how Macy reacted during truth box,
19:40maybe I don't know where we stand.
19:43Ooh.
19:45It ain't crispy enough yet.
19:46Yummy, yummy.
19:47Flipping it and we're putting her back in.
19:52How are you?
19:53I'm fine, how are you?
19:55I wanted to talk to you about last night,
19:58the question that was asked.
20:00I was shocked by your reaction to it.
20:03I was like, oh, so she still
20:05is holding this grudge against me.
20:06It's not a grudge.
20:07It's more just like the guard, my guard is still up.
20:09Like, do you see where I'm coming from
20:11when I say I wasn't in the mental place?
20:14You can still regret something.
20:15How can I regret that if I was in that space?
20:18You can be like, oh, I regret that I wasn't there.
20:20For me, a regret is like,
20:22no, I intentionally did this,
20:23so I'm gonna go and hurt this person.
20:26No, I don't think that's what regret is.
20:28Really, are we getting into semantics here?
20:30Don't act like you don't know what the word regret means.
20:32It's literally in the dictionary.
20:34Like, how is she still not getting it?
20:36I don't understand.
20:37Nobody wanted me there.
20:38Nobody wanted me. I did.
20:40You, not the rest of the women.
20:41I know, but the night was about me.
20:42Nobody wanted me there.
20:43You didn't have to be with them.
20:44I understand that,
20:45but what do you think would have happened if I went?
20:47You could have shut up, said hi to me,
20:48and left, not even talk to any of them,
20:50not said one word.
20:51That's what it meant to me.
20:52You're right, and you know what?
20:53You're right.
20:54When he's raising his voice,
20:55I feel like it's a true character that's coming out.
20:58When I was literally in the darkest space of my life,
21:00my son's father just died.
21:02I was a maid of honor in two weddings.
21:05And so,
21:08it's just hard because
21:11I feel like I always show up for my friends,
21:13even when I'm in the darkest trenches in my life.
21:15And then, it almost seems like you wanna be right
21:17more than validating how I feel.
21:20I'm sorry that comes across that way.
21:22I'm not trying to be stubborn.
21:23Every time we have this conversation,
21:25I get more confused every single time.
21:27Like, I don't know what else to do at this point.
21:29Do you feel like the way that you've felt about me
21:33or not being able to move past this
21:34is because of the way that Mikaela talks about me?
21:37Why, I've always been someone in the middle,
21:39and I'm like, I don't,
21:40no one's gonna tell me who to be friends with.
21:42I feel like you're projecting all the stuff that's happened,
21:45and it's not just between me and you right now.
21:47Okay, so that's why I'm confused.
21:49I'm like, are you saying this to me,
21:50or are you saying this in general?
21:51Because I just, I think it all stems from the past.
21:53It all is coming from the past.
21:54And that's fine.
21:55Like, whatever.
21:57But I'm just saying, like, I miss what we had.
22:00Yeah.
22:01And I don't know how to get that back.
22:02Yeah.
22:03Because I'm someone that clearly doesn't want me there,
22:05in that space.
22:07I can't change the past,
22:08and honestly, I don't wanna talk about this any further,
22:11so I'm just ready to move forward.
22:12Hopefully, the girls can see that if I'm able
22:15to forgive Whitney and move on despite what she did,
22:18then they should hopefully be able to as well.
22:20I'm open to friendships and, like, being friends.
22:23I'm not against that.
22:24I know.
22:25So I just want you to know that.
22:27I love you.
22:28I love you, too.
22:29I really just, I'm sweaty, so.
22:33It's the natural deodorant.
22:34It just drips right off me.
22:36It's a little too crispy now.
22:38He wants some beef jerky.
22:41All we're having is meat.
22:42Yeah.
22:43Oh, there's grapes.
22:44Yeah, there's fruit.
22:46This one.
22:49Are you guys good?
22:50Yeah.
22:51No, I heard you guys chit-chatting a little bit.
22:54Yeah.
22:55I'm curious how it ended.
22:56Just fine.
22:57That's good.
22:58So you guys can talk behind my back in there.
22:59I'm not talking about you.
23:01I literally sat there and listened to it.
23:03We can hear you.
23:05I just feel like you're intentionally hurting me,
23:07like doing stuff to intentionally hurt me.
23:08I'm not, I'm calling you out on your shit.
23:09You're still justifying your own behavior.
23:12I'm not justifying it.
23:13I said I didn't fuck up.
23:14No, you still can't sit here and take accountability
23:16and not say, well, this is my truth of it.
23:18And it was just the place I was in.
23:19So sorry, it sucks.
23:21I've taken accountability for every fucking thing.
23:26Have you?
23:26Every single, tell me one thing
23:28that I haven't taken accountability for.
23:29I think everyone can go down the table
23:31and tell you one thing.
23:32Kate, let's fucking do it.
23:35I want to understand where you're coming from.
23:37And I'm saying, let's get the accountability
23:40from every single person,
23:41because I do want to know.
23:42I fucking do want to own up to it.
23:43I told you.
23:44Great, Denise.
23:45What have I not done?
23:47Please, I want to know,
23:48so I genuinely can own up to it, please.
23:51Because I know how I fucked up.
23:53Does everyone feel comfortable doing that?
23:54Because I really want to know.
23:55I don't think anyone cares
23:57to have an actual friendship with you.
24:06I think everyone can go down the table
24:08and tell you one thing.
24:08Kate, let's fucking do it.
24:10Go ahead, Macy.
24:11I'm laying in bed trying to sleep
24:13because I am a single mom of three
24:16and sleep is very rare for me.
24:17I can hear raised voices in the kitchen
24:19and I honestly want nothing to do with it.
24:23Whatever that is, it can wait
24:25and I really just want to go back to bed.
24:29Going into a conversation
24:30and hashing out all of the behavior
24:33and the patterns and the things to me
24:34is like contradictory to where I'm at
24:38with like our friendship.
24:39So I don't see the point.
24:41Okay.
24:42But then we're all still saying,
24:43you need to take accountability.
24:44It's like, well, I'm trying to,
24:46but you don't want to have a conversation.
24:48Because you owe people that conversation though.
24:50We didn't unfollow you.
24:51It's like, you're doing these things.
24:53You're leaving the group chat.
24:53You're following everyone.
24:54You're expecting everyone to come to you and be like,
24:56well, have a conversation with me if you have a problem.
24:57That's not true.
24:58I'm trying to make an effort to have a conversation.
25:01I'm sure you did.
25:01You're like, well, no, you could have reached out to me.
25:03You could have called me,
25:04but I don't want people to call me.
25:05But why did no one call me?
25:05What the actual fuck?
25:06No, I'm saying, please, can I please?
25:08It's on camera.
25:09I watched it.
25:10Okay, great.
25:11So what I'm saying now,
25:12I would love to have a conversation with each person,
25:13which I tried to do at the beginning of the season.
25:16And the only person-
25:17When the cameras are here.
25:18The only person, yeah, no fucking shit.
25:19We're on a reality show, Mikayla.
25:21What the fuck?
25:21So don't talk down to me,
25:22because if you're going to be disrespectful,
25:23you can leave.
25:24Okay, well then, vice fucking versa.
25:25Don't talk down to me.
25:27I'm not talking down to you.
25:27I'm holding you accountable for your shit,
25:29because you can't see it yourself.
25:30Right, okay.
25:31I think what Mikayla's saying
25:33is that we all recognize the behavior.
25:35We recognize the patterns.
25:37There's been multiple times where she'll be like,
25:39well, she's told me that she feels really bad
25:41about that, and we're like, well, that's great.
25:42She told you that she feels bad about what she did to Jesse,
25:44but she needs to tell Jesse.
25:46Yeah, but then when you sit down and have a conversation,
25:48it's like, I don't understand what I feel bad for.
25:50Sorry, that was just an example.
25:51I'm going to go grab the curling iron.
25:52I'm going to start your hair while we wait.
25:53Okay, thank you, yeah, because I-
25:55I have to land at one, so I have to get ready.
25:58It is just baffling.
26:00The amount of offenses that this woman has under her belt,
26:04but I'm choosing to kind of recognize the effort
26:07and move forward,
26:08but I understand why Mikayla's not there yet.
26:11I think it's going to come down to self-reflection
26:13and healing for you, honestly,
26:14because no matter how many times we sit here and tell you,
26:17she just wants to hear that you care.
26:19She just wants to hear that you regret that.
26:21It's not sinking in, and that's concerning.
26:26I initially was very excited
26:28and happy to be invited on this girls' trip,
26:30but I'm not going to lie.
26:32These girls are getting so deep,
26:33and it's becoming apparent
26:35that there's a lot of history here,
26:37a lot of resentment,
26:38and I can't help but wonder
26:40if this is what women supporting women looks like,
26:43because it certainly doesn't feel like it.
26:44I see both sides, I do.
26:46I think that-
26:47So if I texted you to hang out,
26:48you'd go hang out with me?
26:49Of course, Whitney.
26:50Really?
26:52I can see and feel certain relationships
26:55in mom talk moving forward, especially with Demi.
26:58I appreciate everyone being so willing
26:59to have these conversations.
27:01Obviously not Mikayla.
27:02I don't think she'll ever want to accept my apology,
27:04and I mean, isn't that what we preach in mom talk?
27:08Forgiveness?
27:09Well, I just wanted to let you guys know
27:12that I did schedule us a club tonight,
27:13and it's super cute.
27:15It's called Cake, and it says let them eat cake,
27:17and it's a super cute nightclub,
27:19so Macy can come for that.
27:20We'll go to dinner, and then we'll go to that.
27:21Cute.
27:22Okay. Love it.
27:23I think my thing will go a little bit longer,
27:25so I'll meet you at the restaurant.
27:26Wait, so we're not even hanging out with you
27:27at the pickleball thing?
27:28I think you can.
27:29I know you guys have a VIP section
27:31that they reserved for you guys,
27:32so you're a working girl.
27:34Mommy has to work.
27:40You want to put on some deodorant,
27:41so you're not stinky?
27:43Stinky.
27:44Okay, you know where this one goes?
27:46Stinky.
27:47Where does it go?
27:48It goes right there.
27:49Yeah.
27:49Under your armpit.
27:51Jen hasn't been doing well.
27:53She's been having a hard time getting out of bed,
27:56and we just realized we needed to get Jen the help
28:00she needs to honestly get better
28:02and get to a more stable place.
28:04Okay, should we do your hair now?
28:06Okay.
28:11It's been really hard just for being pregnant
28:14with our next child and having two children
28:16trying to show up for them,
28:18and I think when you face a really serious
28:21mental health crisis,
28:23you kind of take a step back and realize
28:25what really matters.
28:28Come hop on my shoulders,
28:29and we'll go up and see mama.
28:31Hold on tight.
28:34There she is.
28:37You guys want to say good morning to mama?
28:41How are you feeling?
28:42I'm feeling awful.
28:45Zach is trying to support me in what I need,
28:49but it's been a lot.
28:51It's been for sure
28:56one of the hardest seasons of my life physically
28:59and mentally.
29:00I've been really struggling with a lot of things
29:03physically and mentally.
29:05Whether it's prenatal depression or postpartum,
29:08I think a lot of mothers feel like
29:12they don't deserve help,
29:13but in reality, like we need help too.
29:17As of right now,
29:19I need to take a step back from mom talk
29:23and solely focus on my mental health and this baby
29:27so I can be the best version of myself
29:32for everyone around me.
29:34I'm sorry, sweetie.
30:02One, two, three.
30:04Macy!
30:08Look at your abs in the sun, man.
30:12Macy is hosting this celebrity pickleball event,
30:14and it's so cool to see this full circle moment for her.
30:18She was a BYU tennis athlete,
30:20and now she's hosting this event that's on TV,
30:22and she's just in her element.
30:24Wait, is it instant or backstreet boy?
30:26Which one?
30:27Instant.
30:28Okay.
30:33Being a star athlete and now turning that
30:35into hosting an event like this
30:37is so exciting and inspiring.
30:41It's always good to hear you guys.
30:42Woo!
30:46It just feels good when you see your friends support you,
30:48and that's the part of mom talk that I love
30:50is that we can always be there to support each other,
30:52regardless of who hates who in the group.
30:55Woo!
31:01Hi!
31:02I have a reservation under Macy Neely.
31:05This is cute!
31:08Woo!
31:16Ladies, welcome to Call Up.
31:17We are so happy to have y'all here.
31:19What is it?
31:20Perfect, so this is a mocktail shot of the Mango Amore.
31:23Okay, guys, how are we feeling about today?
31:26Well, I was actually gonna ask,
31:28how do you think last night went?
31:29Like, the true thoughts.
31:31It was awkward at times, but...
31:33Wait, I had a question about last night, though,
31:35with Demi asking you to be out of the show
31:39because of the money.
31:41Sorry, like, I just still don't...
31:43Like, what really happened?
31:44This morning, I thought I was definitely in the hot seat,
31:47so now I think the best way to, like, get the heat off
31:50my relationship with Mikaela
31:52is to focus on Demi and Jessie's drama.
31:55Give me the details.
31:56Tell me all the nitty gritty.
31:57I wanna know.
31:58It was a call with our lawyer and managers,
32:00and literally, like, I got on and I heard Brett,
32:02and I was like, wait, wait, wait.
32:03I don't want you speaking for me.
32:05We had had, like, a mutual understanding
32:06that we were gonna come in, like,
32:08fighting for everything as a united front,
32:10and then we felt like she dogged us
32:12and, like, went around us and was like,
32:13I'm gonna get whatever I want,
32:14so we were like, okay, well, fuck it,
32:16then we're gonna do the same thing.
32:17You deserve to fight for more,
32:19but that doesn't mean you deserve to get paid more.
32:21I've also been told that you think
32:22you deserve the biggest brand deal,
32:24and I'm curious to why you think you deserve that.
32:27I never said that one time.
32:28I heard that, too.
32:29I heard that, too.
32:30I actually heard that, too.
32:33It's not a shock that I was a fan favorite.
32:36Like, I feel like I'm an asset.
32:37I should fight for more.
32:38Demi wasn't even originally gonna be casted for the show.
32:42Do you really think that you're the star?
32:46You're the star?
32:47Nah, I don't agree with that.
32:49In what world are you putting yourself on this pedestal?
32:53What makes you that person?
32:55Yes, mom talk is a business,
32:57but it is a lot more than that.
32:59It's a sisterhood.
33:00It's a support system.
33:01However, I think Demi has let the money side
33:03and greed go to her head where that comes first
33:07and then everyone can fend for themselves,
33:08and that, to me, is not a genuine friendship at all.
33:12And no offense, but you wouldn't have never
33:15had this opportunity without me.
33:18No, I understand that.
33:19And so, when I'm hearing these things,
33:20she deserves the most.
33:21I'm like, I'm the one that was almost in a mental hospital
33:23because I opened up.
33:25I am the most vulnerable, and she don't.
33:27But at the same time, like-
33:28Can you let me finish talking?
33:30But I'm literally-
33:31You wanna let me finish talking?
33:32So, you're coming at her,
33:33so I'm gonna, like, defend her in that situation.
33:35You can defend her when I'm done talking.
33:39Okay, so I don't think it's fair.
33:41When I'm on the floor, freaking dying,
33:43opening up to the world,
33:45and then I think some people aren't as open
33:48and aren't as vulnerable
33:49and sharing their actual shit that's going on
33:50behind closed doors deserve to be paid more
33:52because they're not being vulnerable.
33:53They're only being served a space
33:55at a dinner table creating drama.
33:57I'm the one that's actually struggling
33:58because I'm open to the fucking world.
34:00If anyone has a right to be paid the most,
34:01it's me, and I've never even asked for that, ever.
34:04Go ahead.
34:13Yeah, there's nothing you can say, so yeah, thank you.
34:16And I wouldn't be willing to kick someone off, either.
34:19Where I went wrong was being willing to knock her off,
34:22but that came from a place of us being in a bad place.
34:27But I think you were willing to knock her off
34:28and probably anyone else at that time.
34:30That's not true.
34:32So, if I felt the exact same,
34:33you would have been willing to kick her off, but not me?
34:36No, absolutely not.
34:38Demi calling me expendable and basically replaceable
34:41really hurt my feelings,
34:42and hearing that Demi also values Taylor
34:45over me on the show hurts my feelings as well,
34:47because yes, Taylor got us here,
34:50but we all have something to offer in mom talk,
34:52and it's hard not to feel resentful.
34:54I don't know.
34:55I mean, at the end of the day,
34:56it's just, I think we're all a team,
34:57and we've all brought so much to the table.
35:00I'm all for sharing the spotlight.
35:02I don't care to have it.
35:05I love Demi, and I've always seen her as a great friend.
35:08However, there is this side to her that worries me.
35:12Just seeing that Demi did that to Jessie,
35:15who's supposed to be her closest friend,
35:16definitely makes me feel like I can't fully trust her.
35:19We'll talk about it more later when we're not screaming.
35:21Okay, as the leader of mom talk,
35:23I'd like to raise a toast to new beginnings,
35:26open communication, and fertility.
35:28And fertility for all.
35:33And no more babies for you.
35:34Only for you on that one.
35:38That's deep.
35:39That is.
35:40That was so yummy.
35:41This was a stiff mocktail.
35:44What about your stuff?
35:45Are you guys still planning on doing the treatments
35:47or figuring it out?
35:48We've kind of just started back at square one
35:51because we don't have answers.
35:53Brett and I have been trying to get pregnant
35:55for about four years now.
35:57I definitely pushed for Brett to go in
35:58and get his sperm checked.
36:00The first time we went to the men's clinic,
36:01his sperm was basically dead.
36:03In May, you were 52 million,
36:04and then October, you're 25 million.
36:06I do suspect it's going to keep going down.
36:08I also struggle with endometriosis,
36:10and we didn't want to jump to surgery.
36:13And so there's been a lot of holistic things we've done.
36:15We've both done a lot of energy healing.
36:17Go ahead and charge that heart up through our genitals.
36:20Fill up your lungs and let out an audible exhale.
36:27It is so, like, taxing.
36:31And, like, emotionally draining.
36:34Like, it's...
36:35Because you can't figure out, like, what's going on.
36:44It's more, like, how bad Maude wants his sibling.
36:49And, um, how bad I want that
36:53with someone that I'm, like, in love with.
36:56And, um, the first go-around was hell.
36:59So there's a lot of me that feels like I needed to heal
37:03and move forward.
37:06I do feel like Demi's tears are genuine.
37:08I do feel like I'm in the right place.
37:11I do feel like Demi's tears are genuine.
37:13I feel like her journey with having a baby
37:15has put a lot of strain on her and her relationships.
37:18But it is still concerning to see the side of her
37:21that she's willing to kick Jesse out of MomTalk
37:23for more money for herself.
37:25Anyway, yeah, so...
37:27Sorry about that. Stop saying sorry.
37:29Did I wreck my face?
37:31You just have two streaks. That's fine.
37:33Whoo! Let's go!
37:35Let's shake our bodies and get warm.
37:37Tonight's the last night in Scottsdale, Arizona,
37:39so it's time to hit the clubs.
37:41Shake all that ass!
37:43Jesse is drained, and Taylor's tired.
37:46So Jesse and Taylor are gonna go back to the house
37:49while the rest of us hit the dance floor.
37:52♪ Run away, run away
37:55♪ We're gonna, gonna, gonna, gonna, gonna, gonna
37:58I just want to put all of this drama behind me,
38:00go to this club, and have the time of my life.
38:03I love doing stuff like this with the girls.
38:05It reminds me and hopefully them
38:07why we became friends in the first place.
38:09I'm ready to shake my little tail feather.
38:12♪
38:18Mormons aren't just sitting around
38:20reading their Book of Mormons at night.
38:22We don't drink, but we love to dance.
38:25Let loose, no drama.
38:27The music will be too loud to even talk,
38:29so it's perfect. There won't be any fighting.
38:31That was fun.
38:33We're having a twerk-off.
38:36I apologize.
38:38I will easily be winning a twerking contest.
38:41Okay, let's see your twerks.
38:43♪
38:47I'm not seeing it.
38:49♪ It's about to get wild
38:51♪ It's about to get wild
38:53♪ It's about to go wild
38:56♪ Are you ready for it? Are you ready for it?
38:58♪ About to get wild, about to get wild
39:00♪ About to get wild, about to get wild
39:02♪ Are you ready for it? Are you ready for it?
39:04♪ About to get wild
39:06♪ It's about to go wild
39:08♪ Are you ready for it? Are you ready for it?
39:10Who's in first place?
39:12It's you, Mikayla.
39:14♪
39:16I think ego and jealousy gets in the way
39:18of so many good things, especially friendships.
39:20With women all online making content together,
39:23it's like what happened last year.
39:25Who's the new leader? It has to be Whitney or Taylor.
39:27Do you feel like there's an element of that
39:30in our group still? Who do you think it would be?
39:33Competitive? All of us?
39:36Yeah. What about Demi? Are you like...
39:38Because you were talking about that at dinner tonight a little bit.
39:40You're good at reading energy.
39:42Yeah, I could say yes.
39:45I would say there's probably some inside a little bit.
39:47Like competitiveness or jealousy?
39:52Both. Okay.
39:53♪ Come here and touch my body
39:55♪ Nothing to lose, I'm on
39:57♪ I'm getting really warm
39:59♪ Just give me that
40:01♪ Bomb top, bomb top, bomb top
40:03♪ Bomb top, bomb top
40:05♪ I'm getting really warm
40:08♪ Just give me that
40:10We do look alike when we're side by side.
40:12Do you guys want to guess who won the twerking contest in the bus?
40:15Me. Me.
40:17So does anyone want a hot tub?
40:20Naked. Naked.
40:22Demi, you better be naked in there.
40:26For what?
40:28Oh, Brett's talking to you.
40:36Cameras are still on and we're just filming right now.
40:38I was just taking off my makeup and about to rinse.
40:40But I'll call you right back.
40:45Okay, good.
40:46Well, Demi was going skinny dipping.
40:48That was the point. She had already decided she was doing it.
40:51And then I guess she had sent a text to Brett saying,
40:54hey, like, just letting you know,
40:56I'm going to go skinny dipping, whatever.
40:58But then she got a phone call.
41:00And so then she decides not to skinny dip.
41:03Demi kind of gives people crap
41:06for being controlled by their spouses and partners.
41:09And hers does that.
41:13I'm actually surprised you don't want to skinny dip.
41:16Since when do you want to keep your clothes on?
41:19Yeah, I'm kidding.
41:21How uncomfortable and, like, inappropriate
41:25for me to be stripping down naked on national television
41:29knowing that, like, my stepkids are going to be seeing this at home.
41:32Do you want to see me naked or just say it?
41:34I mean, you always are, so that's why I'm like,
41:36I don't know why you don't want to go skinny dipping.
41:38If I don't come back in five minutes and see you
41:41and you naked in a towel, I'm going to be mad.
41:43I just don't want to do it. I have BV.
41:45What's BV?
41:47It's bacterial vaginosis.
41:49She has it bad.
41:51What?
41:52She has it bad.
41:54Smell it.
41:55You can smell it.
41:56I don't have BV. I was lying.
41:57I didn't want to go skinny dipping.
41:58Now leave me alone.
41:59What?
42:00Let's go.
42:01Oh, yeah, I've skinny dipped plenty in my day.
42:04Not my first rodeo.
42:06Let's go.
42:07Let's do it.
42:08We're ready.
42:09Okay.
42:10Ah!
42:12I haven't skinny dipped in, like, long.
42:14She looks good.
42:16Ready?
42:17Oh, the pool is warm.
42:18It's cool. It's warm.
42:19Ready?
42:21One, two, three.
42:25Woo!
42:27Oh, my God.
42:30Go down the slide.
42:32Go down the slide.
42:34I do feel like with all the drama going on in this trip,
42:36it's time for a little warming girls gone wild.
42:39When I first started Mom Talk,
42:41it was supposed to be about friendship and fun.
42:44I do feel like this trip has brought a lot to the surface
42:47where I have to question what are Demi's intentions.
42:51We all need to be aware of her motives
42:54and why she's really here.
42:55They all have boob jobs.
42:57Boobs look good.
43:03The great Mormon bake-off.
43:05I made a pumpkin pie.
43:06This is Joseph Smith.
43:07Homemade sourdough.
43:09The penises did not bother me.
43:13How are you and Taylor doing?
43:15I have to, like, just take care of myself now.
43:18Demi is going out of her way to get a cease and desist
43:21to try to keep Jen and other people from talking.
43:24Jen needs Mom Talk more than ever,
43:26but I just don't really know who to trust with this information.
43:29The Sinner Sunday confessional about Brett cheating on me
43:33is so far-fetched,
43:34and I know the truth always comes to light,
43:36and if something were to happen,
43:37I would eventually find out and deal with it then.
43:39I don't understand why something that's not true would bother you.