Ikuti syarahan umum oleh Perdana Menteri, Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim di Institut Hubungan Antarabangsa Negara Moscow (MGIMO).
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00:00Премьер-министр Манчо
00:30И сейчас, по традиции, ваше слово, the floor is yours.
00:48Дорогий доктор, а где плакал?
00:52Благодаря, доктор, учаводок, плакал, министерс, эксценности, и моя студия.
01:02Это министерс Манская, у меня, я judgments, о правилах.
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09:33Наши values cannot be ignored.
09:35Это было, как я сказал,
09:40в последние годы,
09:42с тем, что я был студент,
09:44и многие годы я провел в prison,
09:48я взял много времени и интерес
09:54в читании все great works
09:57о русских думающих и литератах.
10:03Вчера, в Метрополь Hotel,
10:05я был в Шекове.
10:08И, когда я туда,
10:10я увидел в Турганеве и Торстой.
10:15И, для информации о ректорах,
10:18я должен сказать,
10:19что мы также приглашали
10:20наш Трансляционный бюро
10:22по-настоящему этих great works.
10:24Where else can you find
10:27a country with such culture and tradition
10:31able to produce
10:33remarkable,
10:37phenomenal work of literature,
10:40of understanding human strength,
10:45depravity, tragedy,
10:48and humanity at large?
10:50I mean, reading the works
10:52of Dotyevsky,
10:55Shekhov,
10:56Tolstoy,
10:58Pestinac,
10:59the poems of Anna,
11:01Ахмадова,
11:03etc.,
11:04I mean,
11:05would enrich
11:06not only the soul of Russia,
11:08but the soul of humanity,
11:10which is now terribly lacking.
11:12And this is consistent,
11:23what we talked about,
11:24polylog among civilizations.
11:27how do you serve the world
11:31without any attempt
11:32to understand one another,
11:34of thinking that you represent
11:36the best,
11:37and therefore tend to be
11:40condescending towards the rest.
11:42So,
11:44polylog among civilizations
11:47is not about erasing
11:49other cultures
11:51or distinctions.
11:53It's about recognizing
11:55the strength of one another.
11:57that's why I used to say
11:59in these post-normal times,
12:01often we ignore the importance
12:04of these values,
12:06intrinsic values
12:08of humanity,
12:09of justice,
12:10of respect.
12:13Even how we look at the issues
12:15in the world today,
12:16you find, for example,
12:19utter devastation of Gaza
12:22with hardly any effort
12:26to redeem the problems.
12:28And you can see,
12:29for example,
12:30the debate
12:34when you talk about
12:35how do you deal with Ukraine
12:37and you deal with Gaza.
12:39You see,
12:40this contradiction
12:41is unacceptable.
12:43That is why
12:44in my remarks,
12:45I say,
12:46how is it that
12:47two killed in Ukraine
12:49is a disaster
12:51and 40,000 killed
12:54in Gaza
12:55is a mistake.
12:57So,
12:58this contradiction
12:59must end.
13:01I told President Putin
13:03that we look forward
13:04to this success
13:06of these negotiations
13:08taking place
13:09in Istanbul today.
13:11And we support
13:15all efforts,
13:17initiatives
13:18to resolve this
13:19amicably,
13:20amicably
13:21and peacefully.
13:23No country
13:24should be used
13:27to support
13:30the design
13:31of others.
13:33We have to have
13:34the patience
13:35to deal with it.
13:36With President Putin,
13:37I even embarked on
13:38a very sensitive subject.
13:40The
13:42shooting of MH17,
13:44the Malaysian plane
13:45that caused 43 deaths
13:46of Malaysians.
13:47I mean,
13:48people would say,
13:49unless you are a true
13:50friend,
13:51you can't discuss this.
13:52And I raised this question
13:54as a true friend.
13:55I said,
13:56how do I respond
13:57to this
13:58ICAO UN report?
13:59And mind you,
14:00President Putin
14:02shows so much,
14:04I mean,
14:05a great concern
14:06of this tragedy
14:08and told me in very clear terms,
14:13we should get the bottom of it.
14:15Any international effort
14:18to resolve this
14:19must be done professionally,
14:21scientifically.
14:23And of course,
14:24I would accept that.
14:25That is a precondition.
14:26It is a precondition.
14:27But,
14:28but to my mind,
14:29for,
14:30I mean,
14:31a small emerging country
14:32and economic
14:33like Malaysia,
14:34why do I get discouraged
14:36to ask President Putin?
14:39Because,
14:40I trust him as a friend.
14:42And,
14:43his response
14:46was,
14:47to me,
14:49extremely helpful.
14:52He says,
14:53no question,
14:54it's a major tragedy.
14:56There's no question
14:57that we will get
14:58to the bottom of it.
14:59We'll give all the
15:01cooperation possible
15:02to find out
15:04the truth
15:05behind this tragedy.
15:08Now,
15:09but of course,
15:10you must have
15:11credible institutions,
15:13independent,
15:14professional institutions.
15:18And,
15:20it is a very
15:21complex,
15:22because,
15:23countries sometimes
15:24expect us to be
15:25hard,
15:27and,
15:28divisive.
15:29So,
15:30I'm just sharing
15:31with you one episode,
15:32which is clearly,
15:35a way
15:36where we can work
15:38among nations,
15:41to secure,
15:42ultimately,
15:43through peace.
15:44And,
15:45I am very fortunate
15:46that I come from
15:47a region,
15:48Malaysia,
15:49and,
15:52ASEAN,
15:54the most peaceful
15:55sub-region
15:56in the world.
15:58And, ASEAN,
16:00the most vibrant,
16:02economically,
16:03fastest growing economy
16:04in the world.
16:06Why?
16:08There's peace
16:09in the region.
16:11We establish
16:13extremely close
16:14relationship with the leaders.
16:15any issue,
16:17say,
16:18Myanmar,
16:19we say,
16:20well,
16:21we have to find consensus.
16:22When I decided to go to Bangkok
16:23to meet the
16:25military junta,
16:27and the opposition prime minister,
16:29the two prime ministers,
16:31in the same country,
16:32I consulted all leaders of ASEAN.
16:34Can I do that?
16:36Because there was a terrible earthquake,
16:39that they need to have a ceasefire,
16:42that we need to have humanitarian efforts.
16:45And, without exception,
16:48all of them,
16:49Singapore, Philippines, Brunei, Indonesia,
16:52Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Thailand,
16:54all said,
16:55please proceed.
16:57And, after that,
16:58I immediately call them
16:59to tell them about
17:00the level of success,
17:02and engagement that we have.
17:04So, I'm not saying that
17:06this is due to one country,
17:08or Malaysia, no.
17:09But, because of this trust,
17:10and comradeship,
17:12and engagement
17:14between the leaders of ASEAN.
17:16And, I'm very fortunate
17:18to be given that trust
17:20to coordinate the efforts.
17:23So,
17:25you remember in
17:26Fathers and Sons,
17:31by,
17:33Thurgenev.
17:35We sit
17:37in the mud,
17:38my friend,
17:40and reach
17:41the stars.
17:43Quote.
17:45This captures the human condition,
17:48grounded in struggle.
17:49We sit in the mud,
17:51yet,
17:53reaching
17:55with ideals,
17:57something higher.
17:59This is the brutal reality
18:00of the world.
18:05But, also,
18:07more importantly,
18:08an enduring promise.
18:12And, because,
18:13we're living with so much
18:15tensions and distrust,
18:18despite the so-called
18:19initial post-war,
18:21post-Cole War,
18:22initial security understandings,
18:25we still have a problem.
18:27Now, let us take
18:29the great
18:31Dostoyevsky
18:34in
18:36Crime and
18:38Punishment.
18:40I'm testing the Russians.
18:45All
18:47is in a man's hands,
18:49and he lets it all
18:51slip
18:53from cowardice.
18:55That's an axiom.
18:57It would be interesting
18:58to know
19:00what it is
19:01men are most
19:03afraid of.
19:05Taking a new step.
19:07Uttering a new word.
19:10A new word
19:12is what they fear most.
19:14So, do not fear innovation,
19:18creativity,
19:20and the preparedness to state
19:22what is right,
19:24what is just,
19:26what is honourable.
19:31Now, I state this because we are in a
19:34geopolitical flux
19:36that casts a shadow
19:38not only on security issues,
19:40but on trade and economic cooperation.
19:43There is rise.
19:45Can you imagine
19:47in 2025,
19:49after all the GATT and WTO
19:51and multilateral arrangements,
19:53now we have the rise of
19:55protectionism,
19:57arbitrary imposition on tariffs,
20:00unilateral sanctions,
20:04and economic decoupling,
20:08that threatens the entire system
20:11that the world has somewhat agreed upon.
20:14So, for a trading nation like Malaysia
20:20and my colleagues in ASEAN,
20:23this is nothing short from existential threat.
20:29We are trading nation.
20:32We have become one of the hub
20:34for semiconductor production chips
20:36in the region.
20:38And, of course, there is a production,
20:40both at the, initially the back end,
20:43now, advanced design,
20:46advanced packaging.
20:48And, suddenly,
20:50we are threatened with this.
20:53So, that's why we must continue to promote
20:55this sort of understanding,
20:58for what?
21:00For world order,
21:02for understanding, for peace,
21:04for collaboration,
21:05for open trade.
21:07This is essentially why you have
21:08an international institution like this.
21:10Why Rector Tuganaf,
21:12I think this morning alone,
21:14told me about at least six times
21:16about the need to enhance cooperation
21:19and collaboration.
21:21After this speech,
21:22he is saying something which is appropriate
21:27and pertinent,
21:29that the days of protectionism
21:32must be over.
21:35So, it must be rule-based world order.
21:39So, I represent my colleagues in ASEAN
21:44fostering this issue.
21:47That's why we support CPTPP,
21:50RCEP,
21:52and now,
21:54with Russian support,
21:56mind you,
21:58the country that proposed Malaysia's entry
22:00as a partner in BRICS,
22:02was Russian Federation.
22:04It was President Putin
22:06that proposed
22:08in last year's meeting,
22:10and, of course, supported by
22:12China, India, Ethiopia.
22:14We are very fortunate.
22:16So, that's where BRICS stand for,
22:19and I think, which,
22:21we in Malaysia,
22:23look forward to opening up trade and market
22:27from traditional partners.
22:29Now, notwithstanding what I've said,
22:32please remember that the United States
22:34is the largest investor into Malaysia,
22:37and our largest trading partner.
22:40But it doesn't stop us from stating
22:43what we believe is right and honorable.
22:50Now, Alexander Solzhenitsyn
22:53reminds us,
22:55the line dividing good and evil
22:59cuts through the heart of every human being.
23:04This reflects the universal truth.
23:08The struggle between our better and worst angels
23:14is not between nations,
23:16but within each of us.
23:18It is the humility that allows us to pursue its interests.
23:23So, I must reiterate that personal sense of feeling of satisfaction
23:33when meeting hours, hours long,
23:39hours yesterday with President Putin,
23:41the leader of this large, great country,
23:48would engage with a relatively much smaller country and economy
23:57with the same human recognition, equality, and collaboration.
24:03This, to my mind, is a remarkable feat,
24:08and I wish these two countries, together with ASEAN, well.
24:15But we must not be tempted by despair.
24:20History, many of you students learn history, economic history, political history.
24:26They are not moved by perfection.
24:33It is shaped by perseverance and resilience.
24:39Leadership is the work of patient conviction,
24:47to struggle forward when the path is uncertain,
24:51to act with courage when clarity is elusive,
24:57and to hold fast to hope when it feels most fragile.
25:03That is the task before us.
25:07Thank you.
25:08Thank you very, very much, dear Prime Minister.