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00:00So the closeness to the people is how you've described him.
00:04But he was arguably also a liberal pope who really tried to change how the church operated in some respects.
00:12Can you explain why this did frustrate some conservative Catholics?
00:17Yes, I think the labels liberal, conservative, right or left, don't do justice to Pope Francis.
00:27Or indeed, in the church, because these terms come from the French Revolution, the church is much older.
00:32But really, I mean, the pope was a very devout Catholic who prayed the rosary, who went to visit the shrines of Our Lady.
00:41You know, they did all the pious things that pious Catholics do, who held to all the doctrines.
00:49But he gave us a different emphasis to the doctrines.
00:53He didn't deny any of the traditional doctrines, but he gave them a different emphasis.
00:58He said, well, the doctrines are there to help people get to God, not to stop them from getting to God, not to make their life difficult.
01:07Now, this project of bringing God close to the people was not understood by some people.
01:13And in fact, for example, some were very attached to the Latin Mass, the traditional Latin Mass,
01:19which had been abolished by Vatican II much before Pope Francis, you know, in the 60s.
01:24And in the 60s, you know, in the 60s, you know, in the 60s.