Questa intervista della direttrice di Cook Angela Frenda a Whoopi Goldberg è stata fatta durante Women in Food, l’evento del Corriere della Sera che celebra il talento femminile nel mondo dell’enogastronomia di cui l’attrice americana premio Oscar è stata ospite. Produttrice del Whoopi Prosecco (Asolo Prosecco Superiore Docg) e autrice del memoir Frammenti di memoria (Longanesi), qui si racconta a cuore aperto, dall’infanzia difficile all’Ozempic per dimagrire: «L’ho preso per me, non per compiacere»
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00:00I'm poor, black, I may never be ugly, but dear God, I'm here, I'm still alive.
00:07This is the last phrase you pronounce during the color of purple, you know, in your movie.
00:14I was like, okay.
00:17And it's powerful, you know, this phrase.
00:21And the question is, the first question is, it's probably like, but...
00:26Did you just call me Miss Goldberg?
00:28Yeah.
00:29No.
00:30Whoopi.
00:31Whoopi.
00:32Please.
00:33May I?
00:33Please.
00:34Oh, yeah.
00:35Perfect.
00:35Thank you so much.
00:38But it's a powerful phrase, no?
00:42A lot of passion, a lot of...
00:44And you feel yourself free now.
00:50Yes, I've always been free.
00:51She wasn't free.
00:54She wasn't free, but I've always been free.
00:56And how did you get this freedom?
01:02No one ever told me I wasn't.
01:06Nobody ever said, you are not free.
01:09My mother always said, you're free to do everything you want to do, but everyone may not like it.
01:14So if you are okay with that, then it's okay.
01:19So, you know, I just have, I realized that I have been given permission since I'm a baby to be exactly who I want to be when I want to be it.
01:35It may not please everybody, and of course it doesn't, but I'm all right with that too.
01:41But yeah, you know, Celie is different.
01:43Celie grew up in a whole different chapter of our world for all women.
01:50And the great thing about Color Purple is that it could be Italian women, it could be Chinese women, it could be Spanish women.
01:57We were all saying the same thing at the time.
01:59The same problems.
01:59Yeah, yeah, but my mother felt it was important for me to know my power as a person, just to be a person.
02:14And don't lie because you won't remember what you said, you know.
02:20Don't cheat because somebody's going to catch you.
02:24Maybe not today, but tomorrow or the day after.
02:28So, you know, make the mistakes that you make because you are hard-headed.
02:34Or what is the word in Italian?
02:39What is soft ass?
02:41Soft ass.
02:44Soft culo.
02:46Culo, yes.
02:47Ass is culo, I understood immediately.
02:49Soft is morbido.
02:51Morbido, ah, ah, ah, morbido culo.
02:54Culo morbido.
02:55Yes.
02:56Yeah.
02:56Non so se cosa possiamo dire, ma lo diciamo lo stesso.
02:59Hard head.
03:00Okay.
03:01Morbido culo.
03:03To, that when you go back.
03:05That's right.
03:06You don't break yourself.
03:07That's right.
03:07But, okay, understood.
03:09Okay, perfect.
03:10It's a good suggestion.
03:12I'm sorry if I'm cursing, I'm not supposed to.
03:15I take it back.
03:16But, what is to be free now, for a woman?
03:19Now, right now.
03:20It is the most free women have been, but I think, and this is no shade to men, but it
03:35seems to be men are very delicate.
03:41They can't seem to do anything without a woman.
03:45You know, so a woman wants to go to school, they say, oh, no, no, no, you can't, no, no,
03:49you shouldn't be doing that.
03:50You want to be a doctor, oh, no, no, no, you shouldn't be doing that.
03:52So, all of the strides that we've made have brought us back to angry men who want us to
04:01stop doing what we're doing.
04:02But, of course, there's no one on the planet like women, because we have babies, and we
04:11get up and then we go feed our other babies, and then we go to work in the field.
04:16You know, only women can do that.
04:19So, there is something that frightens, I think, a lot of men, not all men, but many men, about
04:26women saying, I don't want to do what you're telling me to do.
04:32No.
04:33Men don't like the word no.
04:35No.
04:35No.
04:37Still now.
04:38And even though it's been proven that having us as your equal only makes everybody better,
04:49sometimes they want to be better than the equal.
04:53So, that's the fight I see women in now, when we look around the world and, you know, people
05:00say, oh, no, you should be having babies and doing nothing.
05:05You know, well, you first.
05:08They can.
05:10Yeah, well, you know, anything seems to be possible.
05:14Anything seems to be possible.
05:15So, if you really want to know what that feels like, then you first.
05:20And then I want you to stay home and not do anything and see how you like it.
05:23Because everybody dreams, oh, I want nothing to do.
05:27It's so boring.
05:29I would go crazy.
05:30And it wouldn't matter if I had a bigillion dollars.
05:35I'd still have to do something.
05:37I would be driven to do something.
05:39So, I think getting men back on an equal footing with women and showing them that there's no
05:49fear to be had.
05:51But they're very delicate.
05:52I love men, by the way.
05:55No, no, me too.
05:56Me too.
05:57But I think that we love each other because I don't think that the war is the solution
06:02between women and men.
06:06Well, men just have to figure out that they are not all there is.
06:12That's why there's two.
06:14Because what happened?
06:15Adam said, God said, what, Adam?
06:22Nothing, nothing.
06:25Adam, what?
06:26What's the matter?
06:28I'm lonely.
06:30I don't have nobody to talk.
06:31I mean, I can talk to you, God.
06:33But there's nobody else to talk to.
06:35I said, would you like me to make some?
06:37Yes, please.
06:38I was like, okay.
06:39God said, okay, Adam, do me a favor.
06:44Adam said, what?
06:44I said, take a deep breath.
06:46He said, and then God said, this is going to hurt.
06:50Pow.
06:50And he pulled out that bone.
06:54And he said, now, Adam, I'm making your equal.
07:01Your equal.
07:02Your equal.
07:05Because there's nothing that says, I'm making someone lesser than you.
07:11It says, I'm making your equal.
07:12So, I feel like it came out of the body.
07:18Yeah.
07:19So, when people say, oh, how is it possible that this boy child says he's a girl child?
07:27He said, it is very possible.
07:32We come from each other.
07:35We come from each other.
07:37God does not make mistakes if you believe in God.
07:40He doesn't make mistakes.
07:41So, God already knew.
07:43So, maybe a lot of these questions where people say, this is bad.
07:49This is wrong.
07:49It's not about the people.
07:52It's about us.
07:54How do we treat people who are different?
07:57That's the question.
07:59That's what, if you believe in God, that's what God is watching.
08:04You can't make judgment about other people.
08:07According to God, only God can make the judgment.
08:09Right?
08:09So, you work in Hollywood, so.
08:14Sometimes, yeah.
08:15Yeah.
08:15And so, you know very well that.
08:18But, do you think that, I don't know, what do you think about Me Too?
08:26What do I think about Me Too?
08:28I think a lot of women got abused by a lot of men.
08:33And somebody finally said, enough.
08:36And when women say, enough, they band together and say, that's the person.
08:43This is what happens.
08:44And then you take them to court.
08:46And did something change?
08:48You think that something changed?
08:50Well, either everybody got much quieter.
08:54Or they stopped doing it.
08:56Much quieter, isn't it?
08:57Yes, or they stopped doing it.
08:59Or people stopped doing things that got them pointed out as being abusive.
09:06See, when you put it in the light, it seems to, people go, oh, I can't do that anymore.
09:13I can't say that anymore.
09:14I can't touch you like that anymore.
09:16Because people don't like it.
09:18So, now people know you're serious.
09:20So, I think any time you can shed light onto a problem, it's a good thing.
09:27No matter what country you're in.
09:29Whoopi, you wrote a wonderful book that is translated also in Italian,
09:34Frammenti di Memoria is the title.
09:36And in this book, you wrote, especially about your mother.
09:42Yeah.
09:43No?
09:44She was a special woman.
09:46And how was she important for you?
09:59What she did for you?
10:02Well, looking back, she let me believe I could be anybody and do anything if I wanted to.
10:13And most people I discovered don't have that.
10:17My mother said, you want to be an actor?
10:19Okay, you better be good.
10:22If this is what you want, you better go out and learn how to do what you want to do.
10:27If you want to, you know, go out and write.
10:32Because she loved to write.
10:33She was a good writer.
10:35I know.
10:35And she said, if this is what you want, you have to make sure you are good enough for you.
10:44Because you know if it's not good.
10:47You know.
10:48It's important for you to hear.
10:50Yeah.
10:51So you didn't feel yourself never, I don't know, not normal, not...
10:58Oh, yeah.
10:58I've never been normal.
11:01Never.
11:02I've always been weird.
11:04But you want you to be normal.
11:05I'm not sure.
11:07Well, once I figured out what normal was...
11:10Yes, I agree with you.
11:11I just thought, well, maybe not.
11:14Maybe I should just...
11:17This is okay with me.
11:18I'm happy with me.
11:19I like it.
11:19I'm fine and I'm silly and I'm okay.
11:23What lessons did your mother leave you with?
11:31I'm always with you.
11:35That's the lesson.
11:37Because I...
11:40You know, you never think they're going to go away.
11:42No.
11:43I mean, the lesson that I learned is that she will always be with me.
11:47You have a daughter, no?
11:49With you.
11:50I don't know if also today.
11:52Yes, every day.
11:53Every day.
11:54And it's your mom.
11:55It's my mother and me.
11:58Can you see it?
11:59And then my brother.
12:03And me.
12:04They are always with you.
12:06Yeah.
12:07And it makes me feel good.
12:09I'm sure.
12:09Yeah.
12:10With your family today.
12:11Oh.
12:15Tom.
12:15Tom.
12:16Tom is it?
12:17Tom is my family.
12:20His husband is my family.
12:22South.
12:23South.
12:24South.
12:26My daughter, Alex.
12:28my son-in-law, Bernard.
12:32Their children.
12:34Amara, Jersey, Mason.
12:37And they have a stepdaughter, who is also...
12:40She's just their daughter to me.
12:43And her name is Chloe.
12:44And I have a great-granddaughter, who is 11, just turned 11, who I like.
12:49But she's also very weird.
12:52Do you think you are better like mother or like grandmother?
12:58I'm better as great-grandmother.
12:59I'm better as the...
13:03You know, because I don't feel the need to involve myself.
13:09You know, you can't help it when your grandmother says, oh, well, maybe you want to try that.
13:13And your daughter or your son goes, ah.
13:16You go, oh, no, you're right.
13:18You're right.
13:19But with the great-grand, they leave you alone.
13:22And so you and the great-grand can go off and do things, and I teach how to curse, all kinds of things.
13:30Now she's too old, but she still curses, but not around other people, but only in my ear.
13:36But do you think that a woman may have everything?
13:40Be a mother, be a worker, be, I don't know, everything she wants?
13:47She's doing it.
13:49You know, she's doing it.
13:50I mean, what choice does she...
13:52She has to go...
13:53Not always, but she has to go to work.
13:56She is a parent.
13:57She is a friend to other people.
14:00People say, oh, I don't know if I can have it all.
14:02You already have it all.
14:03Stop looking for it.
14:04It's right there.
14:06Yes, it's true.
14:06But sometimes when you do everything, you think that you are not doing this thing in the right way.
14:12Stop watching television.
14:15Because you're comparing yourself.
14:17Everybody's experience is different.
14:21Everybody.
14:22So what you see on television, well, that works because it has to.
14:27You know, and it's going to end the story and everybody's happy.
14:31But the truth of the matter is, sometimes it's different.
14:35Okay, I used to take my daughter everywhere, no matter where I went.
14:40Good, bad, or ugly, I took her with me because I had to.
14:44I didn't have money for babysitters, but I also had to work.
14:49So she sat in the theater.
14:50You know, and years later, people said, oh, well, you know, maybe that wasn't the, and I started thinking, well, maybe I was, yeah, maybe I'm, and then I realized, well, what was I supposed to do?
15:05You know, stop every, when you're a parent, you can't just stop.
15:10When you work, when you support people, you can't just stop.
15:14You must go through.
15:16So the best way to go through life is to go through life.
15:22And to hug her.
15:23Oh, sometimes.
15:24To ignore her.
15:25And to pinch her sometimes, you know.
15:28But really hug her more often than you pinch, but still.
15:31Listen, people say you are fierce and outspoken.
15:37Is that true?
15:38No.
15:39Why do you think you are?
15:41I don't think I'm fierce.
15:43I don't think I'm outspoken.
15:45I say what I think, but they pay me, so that's why I do it.
15:49Would I do it without the job?
15:51I don't know.
15:52But when a woman has a great character, they say that they are a bad character sometimes.
15:59Sometimes I am a bad character.
16:02I am.
16:03Sometimes I'm just a terrible person.
16:06Because I'm human.
16:08I walk on no water.
16:10Water, I go right down.
16:13No, I think I'm just a halfway decent woman.
16:18I try my best to be fair.
16:22I try my best not to be judgmental.
16:24But I am.
16:25I am judgmental.
16:26Sometimes I'm unfair.
16:27Sometimes I'm, you know, just not the person I want to be.
16:32But then comes the next day and I'm better.
16:37You know?
16:37How do you feel about the passage of time?
16:41How do you feel that time is, you know, passing in soul?
16:46About your age?
16:47I don't try.
16:48I try not to think about it.
16:48You don't care?
16:49No, well, I do care.
16:51Because I'm surprised.
16:52I mean, I have an 11-year-old great-granddaughter.
16:57So time is moving.
16:59I see it moving.
17:00And I still feel like me, whatever that is.
17:05So I don't think I'm interested necessarily in acting my age, though sometimes I have to.
17:13Because sometimes, you know, the body goes, hey, could you slow down a little bit?
17:19You know?
17:21And what do you answer?
17:23I try.
17:25And my body says, okay, you do what you think you can do.
17:28And then you go and you think, oh, my God.
17:31Oh, my God.
17:32I should have stopped.
17:33You know?
17:34You learn as you go.
17:36Yeah.
17:36What you can do and what you can't do.
17:39Hollywood has imposed rigid beauty standards for years, no?
17:43Have you ever felt that pressure?
17:44How did you manage to stay true to yourself?
17:49Well, I think I knew I was always going to be black.
17:53So, I mean, I didn't really know what I could do to change, to be more what they wanted.
18:03This was it.
18:05So this is why I still look like me.
18:09Because, now, do I kvetch about the fact that, you know, there's some, yeah, I don't like that, you know.
18:20Me too.
18:20But what are you going to do?
18:22I'm not going to cut the face or put the fillers in because then it's, hello.
18:28I don't want to look like that.
18:30You know?
18:31So this is it.
18:32Yes.
18:33Also, if someone says that also to change, to use this kind of things on your face is a kind of freedom for a human.
18:42For some women it is.
18:43For some women it's a great thing.
18:46You know?
18:46For some, it's like the, it's like the shots.
18:49You know, I, I got sciatica and, because I fell and smashed the soft stuff in between the ribs.
19:02Yes.
19:03Which created a lot of pain, which made me go to the doctor and they gave me all kinds of steroids.
19:08And the steroids got me almost to 300 pounds.
19:17And I made a movie once and somebody said, oh, this is a terrible fat suit they put her in.
19:26And I had to write them and say, this is not a fat suit.
19:29This is me.
19:30Yeah, sure.
19:30And when they were able to fix the back, they said, we need you to start on Manjaro.
19:41Oh, no, they gave me Ozempic.
19:43Yeah.
19:43I said, I don't want that.
19:44They said, you need it because we need to jumpstart your system.
19:48Because my metabolism is very slow.
19:53It doesn't want to move.
19:56It's moving.
19:58Yeah.
19:58And then, so I waited and waited and waited.
20:02And then I said, okay, I'll start.
20:05And for about a year and a half, right, the weight has come off.
20:12And it's very weird to me.
20:16Because I like, you know, all my clothes are big.
20:19I love my clothes, because I like to wrap up in them.
20:22But I'm a little thin for that now.
20:24So the things that I used to like to wear are too big.
20:28So I work on it, because I want to wear a little bit more.
20:34And I say to people, listen, I'm not going to pretend I did exercise for this, because I didn't.
20:40I took a shot.
20:42And the shot is what the weight, what made the weight come down.
20:45You have to tell people the truth.
20:46So when they're talking about, you know, you have to do this, you say, no, this is it.
20:53This is it.
20:54This is, I'm always going to look like this.
20:56I'm never going to be your idea of beautiful.
21:00Maybe someday to somebody, but not to you guys.
21:03Because your idea of beautiful is something that is not attainable for someone like me.
21:10For no one.
21:11No, but again, and I love men, but sometimes men are dumb.
21:17Sometimes are also women, you know.
21:19Yeah, but men are...
21:20We judge a lot of other women.
21:21Because we're trying to please a man's idea.
21:25We were talking earlier, remember, well, no, maybe it wasn't,
21:30about the fact that when science tests...
21:38Yes, we were talking before.
21:41When science tests for our medicine, it's always on men.
21:45Yeah.
21:47Male mice, you know, so that's not really going to help us.
21:52But our medicine is created by men.
21:54Men don't know much about our bodies.
21:56For me, this has always been a problem, because you want to say to a man,
22:03you have to know how we work.
22:05You have to know what we...
22:07In a different way.
22:07And we're very different.
22:09So when you look at a picture of a beautiful blonde,
22:12and I know blondes are...
22:14I love blondes, too.
22:15I love blondes.
22:16I love red hairs.
22:16I love everybody.
22:17But that's not going to be everybody.
22:21You know, you see some blondes in Italy, natural,
22:26almost even natural blondes.
22:28But you see women in Italy.
22:30You know, women.
22:31It's like you see women in Africa.
22:33You see women in Africa.
22:35You see women in Greece.
22:36Real women with behinds, you know,
22:40and chests and faces that are not like this.
22:46For some women, that's perfect.
22:48It's good, because it helps them do what they need to do.
22:52But for the majority of us,
22:55you can't judge us by a 17th century idea of beauty.
23:02You can't, because we don't look like that.
23:05We just don't.
23:07You know, so I'm a big believer in reminding people that,
23:12hey, yeah, you're gorgeous.
23:14Yeah.
23:15And if you don't believe it, nobody's going to believe it.
23:19If you don't tell yourself you're a really great woman,
23:22nobody else is going to tell you,
23:24because who knows you better than you?
23:27You know?
23:28And we're told not to feel that way,
23:30because that's thinking too much of ourselves.
23:32But why don't we think too much of ourselves?
23:35Look at what we do.
23:35We look, but sometimes we are not sure what we are doing,
23:41what we are able to do.
23:44And why?
23:45It's education, I think, from when we are girls.
23:48Yes.
23:49Perhaps also the kind of education that we receive.
23:53If a little boy eats a lot, he's strong.
24:00Yeah.
24:01If a little girl eats a lot, oh my God, she can become fact.
24:06Yes.
24:06Yes.
24:07And you know, you have to then look at the parents
24:11and then look at their parents.
24:13Yeah.
24:13Because our parents were raised by somebody
24:16to believe those things.
24:17Yes.
24:18But we know better.
24:20Why are we still raising our daughters to feel like that?
24:24That's a problem.
24:26Yeah.
24:27We know better.
24:28Yes.
24:30Is there a woman who has inspired you more than anyone else,
24:34except your mother?
24:35Actually, you know, all the women from my neighborhood,
24:42they were all working women.
24:47They were all colors.
24:50And they were just trying to do the best for their kids.
24:56You know?
24:56And as I look back at it, and I see what they did.
25:01I see what those women did.
25:02I see what they put up with.
25:03I see how they shielded their children.
25:06I see how they tried to teach their children
25:11the best that they knew.
25:12And you know, when you get older, you start to realize,
25:15oh, maybe so-and-so's parents didn't know how to read.
25:21Do you have an actress you love more than others?
25:26Anna May Wong.
25:28You know her?
25:29She's the first Chinese-American woman in the movies.
25:40And they would put her in the movie.
25:45There'd be three Chinese characters, three Chinese women.
25:49Two of the women were white and then anime,
25:51and she was never the star.
25:56But she never said, and, you know, she never said,
26:01why not?
26:02She just would say, here, I'm going to go in my white room,
26:06make sure that they see me
26:07so they know what we really look like.
26:10You know, the same with Carmen Miranda.
26:12You know Carmen Miranda?
26:13Yes, absolutely.
26:13She had such a hard time.
26:16She's Brazilian.
26:18She had such a hard time.
26:20People were so angry with her,
26:22and they were mean to her.
26:24But she persevered.
26:27She went on.
26:28She brought the music.
26:29She did her thing.
26:31And the last is my...
26:36Well, they're not twins.
26:40But Sofia and Anna.
26:41Sofia Loren is my go-to.
26:45No, no, that's my queen.
26:47That's my queen.
26:49And Annie Magnani.
26:51Because she...
26:52Oh, my God.
26:53Women.
26:55Yeah.
26:55We do the lines on their faces.
26:58Yes, absolutely.
26:59And these were, for me,
27:01as a kid watching movies,
27:04these were the women.
27:05You know, when I would see Sofia,
27:08she'd start to move and start to sing.
27:10and I'd think, I want to be like her.
27:12I want to be like her.
27:13And my mother would say,
27:15she's amazing.
27:16She's an amazing woman.
27:17She was very proud of herself.
27:19Yes.
27:20Of her body without exception,
27:23without judges.
27:24I know.
27:25She is.
27:26She's not gone.
27:27And I've gotten to spend time with her.
27:31I adore her.
27:32I never got to meet Anna Magnani.
27:35But for me,
27:36when I listen to Marlon Brando talk about her
27:40or Burt Lancaster talk about her,
27:46she's spoken about like,
27:51pah, you know,
27:52this is where I am.
27:54I'm a woman,
27:55and I don't care if you get it.
27:56I love that.
27:58Katie Geraldo.
27:58Yes, a nightmare for man.
28:00It can be.
28:02Yeah.
28:02Yes, it can be.
28:03But with the right man.
28:05No.
28:07With the right man, no.
28:08With the right man, it's heaven.
28:09But sometimes,
28:10it takes a minute.
28:13Sometimes it takes a minute.
28:15Why did you want to become an actress?
28:18I don't know.
28:19It was always,
28:21but it was always really from birth.
28:25My mother said I was acting in the bed
28:27when I was a baby
28:28because I would do this or do this.
28:33I didn't know what you were doing.
28:36And she said,
28:36oh, you're looking for your light.
28:40She understood.
28:41She understood, yeah.
28:43But is it true that you dream of playing a master?
28:48Yes.
28:48But why?
28:49I love monsters.
28:51Oh, yes.
28:52You aren't scared?
28:54No, but I want to scare people.
28:57Which kind of monster?
28:59Well, I want to be a monster
29:01that you're afraid to go to bed
29:04because maybe I'm under there.
29:06I don't want a real monster
29:08who has a razor blade
29:09or who cuts people.
29:11I want to be something
29:12that makes you afraid
29:16when you're going down the hall
29:18in your house
29:19and you hear something,
29:20you think,
29:21what was that?
29:22And then you think nothing.
29:24It's just I'm home.
29:25I'm here by myself
29:26and it's okay.
29:27but then you think
29:28I feel something's in the house.
29:30That's the kind of monster
29:32I want to be.
29:34The monster that is in the house
29:36but you feel him.
29:37You feel it
29:38and you're not sure
29:39where it is
29:40or what it is.
29:42It's a whole bunch of ladies
29:50sitting around talking
29:51pissing everybody off
29:54sometimes.
29:56Oh, no,
29:57but it's a very important show,
29:59no?
29:59and you...
30:00I think so.
30:01I think so.
30:02You know,
30:02most...
30:03I would like to see
30:05a show like ours
30:06in every country
30:08because one of the reasons
30:10I think people
30:12don't have
30:14a real idea
30:16of what a woman is
30:18is because they don't...
30:19They see them.
30:21They say hello to them.
30:22Sometimes they're married to them.
30:23but they don't really hear them.
30:27And so
30:28to sit around
30:30and be a fly on the wall
30:31which is what
30:32I feel an audience is
30:34is to hear women
30:36talking about
30:37oh,
30:38you know,
30:38mom's getting so old
30:40or
30:40why is menopause
30:42so terrible?
30:43You know,
30:43there are lots of things.
30:45I wish that the government
30:47would look at us like this
30:48or I think
30:49as a gay woman
30:50they should be thinking
30:51about us this.
30:52You know,
30:53it's
30:53it's just
30:54to have shows
30:57like that
30:58means that
31:00it is possible
31:01to have a well-rounded
31:03community
31:04that you live in.
31:05Because I think
31:06there's not a lot
31:09of conversation
31:10between
31:10men and women
31:12but there's more
31:13conversation
31:14between women
31:15and women
31:15talking about things
31:16that,
31:17you know,
31:18impact them.
31:19And if we could
31:20figure out a way
31:21to share it
31:21we might actually
31:23to be able
31:23to fix stuff.
31:24Yes,
31:24it's the same
31:25that we're doing
31:26very small
31:27fact with women
31:28in food.
31:29We try to
31:30take a relationship
31:33between women
31:34to have time
31:35to talk
31:36to each other
31:36and to,
31:38I use a word
31:39that isn't so common
31:40for women
31:40for women
31:40to lobbying.
31:42Lobbying together.
31:44Because men
31:45are great
31:46love.
31:47Yes.
31:48Yes.
31:48They have a great
31:49activity of lobbying
31:51but women not.
31:52No.
31:53Because we're taught,
31:54no, we're not supposed to.
31:55Because we haven't time,
31:55we are not,
31:56I don't know.
31:57No,
31:57and also,
31:59you know,
31:59you're taught
32:00from your mother,
32:02your grandmother,
32:02your great-grandmother
32:03how a woman
32:05is supposed to be.
32:06Well,
32:07that was great
32:07in 1950,
32:091960,
32:10but it's 2025.
32:12I know.
32:13And I cannot be
32:15silenced
32:16because you don't
32:17want to hear
32:18what I have to say.
32:19This is an equal
32:20relationship.
32:22And I know
32:22that it takes,
32:24you know,
32:24there's lots of,
32:25you know,
32:26family,
32:27you know,
32:28the family things.
32:29And families are great.
32:31But we have to teach,
32:33we have to teach
32:34young women
32:35that they are
32:36worthwhile
32:37and that they have
32:39to participate
32:40or nothing
32:41is going to change.
32:43Because the problem
32:44is that
32:45everything is personal.
32:47Every battle.
32:48Every battle
32:49is personal.
32:50And so we have
32:51to fight
32:51all the battles,
32:52not all the...
32:53And I,
32:54I agree with you
32:55on this.
32:57You rewrote
32:58Alice in Wonderland.
33:00In your head of writer,
33:02you rewrote
33:03Alice in Wonderland
33:04for Black Girls.
33:06For my daughter,
33:06yeah,
33:07when she was little.
33:08But what did you hope
33:09to achieve
33:09with this project?
33:11I hoped that
33:11she would read it.
33:13And she did.
33:14So I wrote some more,
33:16you know.
33:16But when I was a kid,
33:20and you see it
33:22on television,
33:22you know,
33:23when you watch
33:23American movies,
33:24you don't see
33:25any black people,
33:25you don't see
33:26any Asian people.
33:27Now more.
33:27Now more.
33:29But when I was little,
33:30less,
33:31you know,
33:32took Lieutenant Uhura
33:34on Star Trek
33:37for black people
33:38to be in the future.
33:41Because in all
33:42of the sci-fi movies,
33:44we're nowhere.
33:44of the sci-fi movies,
33:45you know,
33:46so little,
33:47as you said,
33:48piano piano,
33:49everything,
33:49it's a little bit
33:50at a time,
33:51it happens.
33:52Si,
33:53troppo piano piano.
33:54have you ever experienced
33:57racism?
33:59I'm sure I have.
34:01The worst thing
34:02that you,
34:04that happened?
34:07I don't know,
34:07because I was kind of,
34:10I go and I say
34:11to the person,
34:11did you just say
34:12that to me?
34:14And then people go,
34:14no,
34:15that's not what I meant.
34:17and I saw I didn't think so.
34:19I didn't,
34:19but I'm sure it's there.
34:21I'm sure it's there
34:21in little ways
34:22and you feel it
34:24and you make a decision.
34:26Is this worth
34:26making a fight?
34:29Sometimes.
34:31But it takes up too,
34:33it takes up
34:34a lot of attention
34:36to go and say
34:39to somebody,
34:40listen,
34:40you don't need
34:41to say that to me,
34:42call me by my name
34:43and blah, blah, blah.
34:44But,
34:44I don't think
34:48people have been
34:49brave enough
34:50to do it
34:50to my face.
34:54Not yet.
34:55I agree.
34:56I trust you.
34:59You don't cook more.
35:01No.
35:02Okay?
35:02You wrote a lot of,
35:04also written cookbooks,
35:06no?
35:06No, no.
35:07I wrote,
35:07I write books
35:08about entertaining.
35:09I wrote one book
35:10about entertaining
35:11because I love to entertain.
35:12Okay.
35:13You ate eggs.
35:14I do not eat eggs.
35:20I must be careful
35:21when I say this
35:23because I have to
35:25always let people know
35:26that I love egg farmers.
35:29Yes, sure.
35:30Of course.
35:31And all the people
35:32that do,
35:33I love chickens.
35:34Don't get me wrong.
35:36I love a chicken.
35:37but for me,
35:39since birth,
35:42I just don't,
35:43the smell
35:44makes me
35:46very uncomfortable
35:47because,
35:49and this is terrible,
35:50so cut it out
35:51if you don't.
35:52We outtacks.
35:53It's bad.
35:53Okay.
35:53I feel like
35:56I have eggs in me.
35:59So if a monster
36:00comes from another
36:01dimension
36:02and wants eggs,
36:04like we do
36:04to the chickens,
36:05I don't want
36:06to be part of that.
36:07I want to be part
36:08of the resistance
36:09and say,
36:09no!
36:10You know,
36:11but you can cut that out
36:12because people say
36:13that is ridiculous.
36:14but that's how I feel.
36:17But I don't,
36:17I don't like eggs.
36:18I know they're in everything.
36:20I know you bake it
36:21with it.
36:23But scrambled
36:24or the two.
36:29But also the smell.
36:30The smell,
36:32the fried eggs.
36:33I don't,
36:33I don't like any of it.
36:35This is fried eggs
36:36for me.
36:36You don't want
36:37to eat yourself.
36:38No.
36:39Yes.
36:40Yes,
36:40you get it.
36:41You get it
36:42because if,
36:44I'm eating the chicken,
36:46the guy from the other
36:47planet is going to want it,
36:49you know.
36:49Perhaps you wear a chicken.
36:51Yeah.
36:52I feel so right.
36:55But you don't drink,
36:57but you produce
36:58a prosecco.
36:59Yes.
37:00Why?
37:01Because my friends
37:03like to drink
37:04a lot.
37:07And I only want
37:09to give my friends
37:11the best alcohol
37:13I can.
37:13and originally
37:15I was asked
37:16if I was interested
37:17in making champagne.
37:18Mm-hmm.
37:19And champagne
37:20is wonderful,
37:22but I didn't know
37:23what a pain
37:24in the behind
37:25it was going to be.
37:27They need to tell you
37:28how to do the label.
37:30They need to tell you
37:30how the foil has to be.
37:32They need to tell you
37:33what you can do.
37:34And the people
37:34who make prosecco
37:35were not that crazy.
37:37They say,
37:38you can design
37:38your own labels,
37:40you can do this,
37:41but it needs to,
37:44you need to tell us
37:45what it has to taste like.
37:46So I would get it
37:49and we'd give samples
37:50to friends and family
37:52and they would say,
37:53oh, this is too sweet
37:54or, ooh, this is very dry
37:56or this gave me a headache.
37:59And you say,
38:00okay, so you go back
38:01and you say,
38:02this is what they're saying
38:03about this one.
38:04And they say,
38:05okay, let's try this.
38:07And then they'd make
38:08another couple
38:09and I would bring it.
38:10And then we got to one
38:11where everybody said,
38:12this is just right.
38:14So that's the prosecco
38:15that we're making now.
38:16It's like a,
38:17I guess,
38:18a love letter
38:18to my friends.
38:20A thank you
38:20for being my friend.
38:21Yeah.
38:22You know,
38:22like Nora Ephron,
38:23Nora Ephron,
38:25when she prepared
38:26her funeral,
38:28she prepared
38:29for every friend
38:30a cookbook
38:32with recipes
38:33she prepared
38:34in life
38:35for each one.
38:37Yes.
38:38And it's a love letter,
38:39I think.
38:39Yes.
38:41Yes.
38:41And so also
38:42your prosecco
38:42is a love letter
38:43for friends.
38:44Yeah.
38:45What is your connection
38:46to Italy?
38:47Because you had
38:47the house in Stintino.
38:49Mm-hmm.
38:49But now?
38:51Now I'm in,
38:52in Sicily.
38:54Near Ortigia.
38:55Near Ortigia, yeah.
38:56Okay.
38:56Why this love
38:57for Italy?
39:00Because,
39:00you know,
39:01really because
39:02Tom and I
39:06and some friends
39:08of ours
39:08went to Greece
39:10and we had
39:11a good time
39:12and I thought,
39:13okay,
39:14this is where
39:15it was going to be.
39:16and then
39:18we started
39:18looking
39:19and he was looking,
39:21I was looking
39:22and you
39:23cannot
39:24own the land
39:25because,
39:27just because
39:27somebody says
39:28they own the land
39:29doesn't mean
39:29that they do
39:30because
39:31if you go back
39:33103,000 years,
39:36somebody else's name
39:37is on,
39:37is on the property
39:39and their
39:40relatives
39:41can still own it.
39:42because I follow
39:47Tom everywhere.
39:48If he goes somewhere,
39:49I say,
39:50man,
39:50maybe I'll go.
39:52So he said,
39:53I'm going to Italy.
39:55I'm going to visit
39:56with some friends.
39:57I said,
39:57okay.
39:58He came back.
39:58He had a great time
40:00and he made the mistake.
40:02He made the terrible mistake
40:04saying,
40:04you should go.
40:05You should go.
40:07And okay,
40:08I'm going to go.
40:08And you did.
40:09and I did.
40:10And I found
40:11this wonderful place
40:13and I loved it
40:14and it was
40:15way far away
40:17on the island
40:18of Sardinia
40:20on the peninsula
40:22but you could
40:23never find me.
40:25People would call.
40:26I don't carry my phone
40:28if I don't have to.
40:30So
40:30I'd pick up the phone
40:32after maybe a week
40:34somewhere.
40:34We've been trying
40:35to get you.
40:36Okay,
40:36well,
40:37what do you want?
40:38and I love
40:43I love Stantino
40:44but it closes,
40:46you know,
40:47and so at 10 o'clock
40:48you can't go walking
40:49down the street.
40:51So last,
40:52not last Christmas
40:53but the Christmas
40:53before I decided
40:55that I was going
40:56to spend
40:57Christmas
40:58with Salvo
41:00and Tom.
41:02And we walked around.
41:04People were walking around.
41:05There were all kinds
41:06of not parades.
41:09What do you call them?
41:10When people were
41:11carrying the saints,
41:13you know,
41:14and just,
41:15you know,
41:15in the middle
41:15of the Christmas
41:16and people were
41:18walking around
41:19and I thought,
41:21oh,
41:22oh,
41:23this is,
41:23I see.
41:25This is what I'm,
41:26and I said,
41:26oh,
41:26okay.
41:28It's a bad place.
41:29Yeah.
41:30Just to feel
41:31that I was
41:34in life
41:35with people
41:36and the last thing
41:38was
41:38just before
41:40I had come over
41:41to see them,
41:45a guy
41:48knocked on
41:49a door
41:49and the people
41:51opened it
41:52so it was a black man
41:53and shot him,
41:54shot and killed him.
41:55and what I knew
41:57in my heart
41:59was that I never
42:00had to be afraid
42:01of being killed here.
42:04I know that
42:05probably doesn't sound
42:06like a big deal,
42:08but it is.
42:10If you get lost
42:11somewhere,
42:12you can say
42:12to somebody,
42:13I don't know
42:14where I am,
42:15and if you do it
42:16with hands
42:17and you don't
42:19speak the language,
42:20they say,
42:21okay,
42:21come on.
42:22And they either
42:23take you home
42:24and feed you.
42:25Yeah,
42:25absolutely.
42:26In the south
42:26of Italy is bad.
42:28Or they will show you
42:30where you need to be.
42:31And
42:31I want to be
42:34someplace
42:35that I'm not afraid.
42:37And I'm not afraid
42:38in Italy.
42:39And I know
42:39Italy's not perfect.
42:41You know,
42:41it's not perfect.
42:42There's lots of
42:43things that
42:44people are fighting
42:46and trying to figure out.
42:47and it's not far
42:49from Africa.
42:50And I know that,
42:51you know,
42:52many Italians
42:53don't realize it,
42:54but we're the same blood.
42:57We are the same blood.
42:59You know,
42:59when people
43:00with the trade,
43:02everybody was,
43:03hello,
43:04hello,
43:04this is my daughter,
43:05this is my son.
43:05Also the food
43:06is a mix
43:06of cultures.
43:08It's everything.
43:09So I just feel
43:12at home here.
43:13Safe.
43:14Yeah.
43:15Oh,
43:15we are happy.
43:16I feel safe.
43:16Are you afraid
43:17of that?
43:19A little bit.
43:21And do you think
43:22to this thing?
43:23Or you say,
43:24I don't think,
43:25I don't care.
43:26Oh, no,
43:26I care.
43:29I care.
43:30You know,
43:31I'm always reluctant
43:33to say,
43:34listen,
43:34I'd like to,
43:35when it happens,
43:36I'd like to just
43:37go to sleep.
43:38You know,
43:39but who knows?
43:40But yeah,
43:40I'm a little bit afraid
43:42because now
43:43at this age,
43:45maybe there's 25,
43:47maybe 30,
43:49but 25 probably
43:50left,
43:52you know,
43:52as opposed
43:53to 40.
43:55Yeah.
43:56But everybody
43:58has a turn.
44:00You know,
44:00Baudelaire
44:01had a turn.
44:02My mother
44:03had a turn.
44:04My brother
44:04had a turn.
44:05Some people
44:06didn't last
44:08as long
44:09as I have lasted.
44:12Some people
44:13will last longer.
44:14But right now,
44:16every birthday,
44:18I celebrate,
44:19I celebrate
44:19for all the people
44:20who didn't get there.
44:21And when I tell you
44:22it's a big celebration,
44:23I love to celebrate
44:24my birthday.
44:25It's like,
44:25yes!
44:27Whew!
44:29You know?
44:30I understand.
44:31Yeah.
44:32Which works
44:32are Italian,
44:33you know?
44:35prego.
44:37Piano, piano.
44:38Piano, piano.
44:39Grazie, ciao,
44:40buongiorno.
44:41Buongiorno.
44:45You taught me
44:46one today.
44:47What was that?
44:50When you were
44:51at breakfast?
44:53No,
44:53when I'm talking
44:54about my behind.
44:55Ah,
44:56culo.
44:56Culo.
44:57Culo is a fantastic
44:58word.
44:59I love this word.
44:59In Italy,
45:00you can use
45:00for a lot of things.
45:02Yes,
45:02it's useful.
45:03Yes.
45:04So take it.
45:04I'm going to be
45:06doing a lot
45:07of culo talk.
45:10Whoopi,
45:11thank you so much.
45:12Thank you.
45:13And thank you
45:13for all of this.
45:14This is,
45:15this was a,
45:17a wonderful experience.
45:20Also for us.
45:21Trust us.
45:22Thank you.
45:22Thank you.