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In this explosive episode, former CIA analyst Larry C. Johnson breaks down what he calls “Iran Scenario 2” — a dangerous escalation that could pull the world into deeper conflict. As Trump hesitates in his showdown with China, Johnson explores how Washington’s foreign policy is unraveling on multiple fronts.
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🔹 Why is Trump pulling back in the face of Chinese pressure?
🔹 How are the BRICS nations shifting the global balance of power?
🔹 Could U.S. influence in the Middle East be collapsing?
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In this explosive episode, former CIA analyst Larry C. Johnson breaks down what he calls “Iran Scenario 2” — a dangerous escalation that could pull the world into deeper conflict. As Trump hesitates in his showdown with China, Johnson explores how Washington’s foreign policy is unraveling on multiple fronts.
🔹 Is Iran becoming the new global flashpoint?
🔹 Why is Trump pulling back in the face of Chinese pressure?
🔹 How are the BRICS nations shifting the global balance of power?
🔹 Could U.S. influence in the Middle East be collapsing?
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00:00hi everybody today is monday april 14th 2025 and our friend larry johnson is back with us
00:12welcome back larry hi there what happened in january good god i'm getting old man time's
00:17flying too fast
00:18larry let's get started with the talks between iran and the united states
00:28and i know that you wrote a piece on your website and you mentioned one of the options one of the
00:35outcomes could be some sort of talks out of those just the united states was talking about attacking
00:44iran iran said they're not gonna this way they're not gonna negotiate with the united but right now
00:50they're getting together they're talking to each other and here is what pete hex had said about the
00:57talks
00:58at direct talks yesterday they began in the past it's been indirect talks with a mediator but there's
01:05steve whitkoff meeting with the foreign minister of iran what can you tell us well i can tell you that
01:10president trump is dead serious on this issue he's he's dead serious uh that iran cannot have a nuclear
01:16weapon he's said that for 20 years he's been consistent that is clear dead he's dead serious
01:22that he wants it done at the negotiating table he wants it done peacefully and that's why he's going
01:26straight to these talks he set that deadline these were productive talks yesterday i don't want to
01:31get ahead of our skis steve whitkoff does a fantastic job but it was a good step and they're going to
01:35they're going to go at it again on saturday but he's also dead serious that if we can't figure this
01:40out at the negotiating table then there are other options to include my department uh to ensure that
01:45iran never has a nuclear bomb we hope we never get there we really do maria uh but what we're doing
01:50with the houthis and what we're doing in the region we've shown a capability to go far to go deep and
01:55to go big and again we don't want to do that but if we have to uh we will to prevent the nuclear bomb
02:01in iran's hands go ahead but you know nema i i'm dead serious about being dead serious because if i
02:11can't be dead serious then i'm not seriously dead but the more that i'm dead then i'm serious he's a
02:18moron good god oh we don't want to get ahead of our skis no pete the expression is out over your skis
02:28you should try skiing once in a while a look um
02:38i i predicted one of three possible outcomes outcome one number one is after a half hour an hour
02:48they would have questioned each the sexuality of each other's mothers and they said insulting things
02:54and stormed out well that didn't happen uh option two was they talked and realized that they would
03:03have something to talk about and would agree to meet again in the near future you know and
03:11maybe even announced the next day which is what they did the third option was that they
03:17you know they started talking and they extended the talks and then they came out and said you know
03:21we're going to continue this tomorrow or you know so that would have been the best outcome um
03:29what they've done now whitkoff comes back he's going to brief trump hey here's what we talked about
03:34here's what we agreed on here's where i think there's the possibility of an agreement and then at that point
03:42the zionist loons the crazies the israel firsters are going to descend on trump
03:48uh like a bunch of hungry chickens on a group of bugs they just peck away and right now it appears
04:00that the deal trump was willing to accept would be uh getting iran to reduce its level of uranium
04:12enrichment and accompanied by guarantees and inspections that they were not working at all on a nuclear
04:21weapon and i think the uh russians is you know part of whitkoff's confidence
04:30with dealing with the iranians and this came out of the talks and and the proceeded uh by a day in moscow
04:37that one of the items i guarantee putin talked to him about was the relationship that russia has with
04:44iran and russia's commitment to not seeing the proliferation of nuclear weapons and uh so
04:54you know that that deal doesn't call for what israel wants israel wants the libyan option basically
05:02they want all the iranians to be anally raped okay disarmed uh so that they can't defend themselves
05:11betrayed so that the west can do whatever it wants to it and you know they specifically want
05:19iran to get rid of its missiles dismantle all uh even you know peaceful nuclear energy projects which is
05:26ridiculous and to cut off all ties with the houthis hamas and hezbollah now ron said no we're we're not
05:33doing that what uh i'm not sure that trump and the the mario rubios the michael waltz hawks and his group
05:44understand is that uh this coordination between iran or iran with russia and china
05:54has been going on three weeks they started first in beijing is uh you know i think you you and pepe talked
06:03about that um and then it was followed up last week with uh another session uh you know they weren't
06:13getting together to discuss hey who's got a good price on a rug oh i'll tell you what uh you give me
06:18that rug and i'll give you the this this nice little doll no they were talking about
06:27what each country was willing to do maybe even recommending strat negotiating strategies to iran
06:35how to approach it anyway uh what what happened on saturday was the talks were productive
06:42now it's gonna the ball is in donald donald trump's court as i uh wrote on saturday this'll um this
06:53thing could still fall apart and if it falls apart i think trump remains committed uh to uh going to war
07:05with iran this is you know this isn't the world of rationality we're not talking people who are the
07:12logical and dealing with facts we're this is entirely the range of uh religious fanaticism
07:22and the desire to protect israel at all costs you know just notice the irony today you've got all of
07:31europe condemning condemning russia and the united states condemning russia because they killed 60
07:38officers who had gathered at uh you know a public building and there may have been some civilian casualties
07:46what do they say about the palestinians not a goddamn word
07:52nothing they murder the the the zionists murder women and children on a daily basis
08:00and it's not a matter of we believe we can see the images are horrific and the west sits silently by
08:11but russia who's being attacked by the west it has it russia has every
08:20good lawful reason under article 51 of the united nations charter
08:26to declare war on europe and the united states and bomb the hell out of us
08:33they don't do that so they're you know they're prosecuting this as they call it the special
08:39military operation to accomplish particular goals and you know when you listen to trump say
08:47you know if ron if ron doesn't negotiate if ron doesn't make a deal there's gonna be hell to pay
08:55he loves to use that you know i guess everybody in the trump administration is assigned to
09:01and a new phrase to get to use trump held a pay pete hank said i'm dead serious you know i'm dead
09:08serious here nema that um yeah we boy our military power we can go in there and wipe out iran and then i
09:18raise my hand and go question you started your military attack on the houthis on march 15th it's
09:29now 30 days how's that going oh yeah that's right the houthis just shot down their fourth predator in
09:39two weeks which some press says that those are 50 million a pop but i i've you know internet searches
09:48identity says 30 million so the united states with the greatest fight military machine in the world
09:57don't you know because when donald trump talks about it he's dead serious
10:04hasn't been able to stop the houthis and no it's just 16 months but yet they're going to go
10:13wipe out iran and two bombing runs god i mean this this is what the ray mcgovern would call
10:23delusional mel bovine excrement it's delusional mbe just crazy
10:32larry you've mentioned the fight with houthis and with yemenis here is what the commander of the u.s
10:39special operations said about the way that they're fighting yemen
10:44please use ten thousand dollar one-way drones that we shoot down with two million dollar missiles
10:49that cost benefit yeah just a little bit thinking the way that they're fighting yemen i think that's
11:00why one of the part of this sort of operation is the the economic part of the operation is that
11:08is that going to benefit the united states in the long run the way that he's describing here is not
11:13sustainable the way to fight the way that they're fighting yemen well you know just because we love
11:21to borrow money and spend money we don't have and enrich the military industrial complex what's wrong with
11:27that nema why do you hate america
11:33i don't actually
11:38i'm saying that is you know that's one of the charges that when when you try to point out this
11:43stuff the the craziness the contradictions uh the the disparities the disproportionalities
11:51they always come back is why do you hate america you know what you're telling us the truth by god we
11:57can't stand the truth this is um you know i don't know why people are surprised by this at least in
12:08the united states i've written about it extensively when it started and have said look this
12:16you this is something the united states can't it cannot win or prevail without
12:27putting a million man army in the field and attacking and taking over yemen now
12:36people say oh they couldn't do that well we couldn't do it anytime soon
12:39it'd probably take us five years to get to that point to be ready to do that um and so it's just
12:48that it's not a practical solution but without that practical solution that would you know cost how
12:57many god knows how many dead and the financial costs on it be astronomical
13:02this current approach of we're going to bomb we're going to look for these missiles we're
13:10going to try to spot where they're hidden we're going to blow them up and that'll that'll end the
13:16threat well yemen's been at war now for like 10 years a war that is against the west let's not let's
13:26not kid ourselves that they were indirectly they've been indirectly fighting the united states now for 10 years
13:30um you know us loves these proxy wars man we go out and make other people die
13:38we ruin the lives of other countries so far we haven't had to pay a price
13:43but in the course of that the yemenis the houthis dug underground deep i'm sure they had uh consultations
13:53and advice and guidance from iran and from north korea
13:57and so they've been able to build some pretty very secure locations underground and they got
14:06particularly deal with all the mountains good luck blowing through those mountains
14:12uh and so the united states its traditional method of using a fixed-wing aircraft to locate
14:19a missile or a satellite flying overhead said hey there it is you know it's it's it's at the
14:27the intersection of broadway and 55th street so then you've got to you know relay that information
14:34through a bureaucracy and it gets to the point where someone can make a decision and say okay yeah we want
14:40to strike that you got a green light go well who's going to do it are we going to launch a
14:46a submarine launch ballistic missile are we going to launch a cruise missile air launch cruise missile
14:53are we going to if i have a fighter jet fly off of the deck of you know so you got to make all those
14:58decisions and so by the time you get the decision so okay we're going to go hit their missile's gone
15:05they've moved it it's a mobile launcher you know they they can drive it around and we're not good at
15:12finding it and tracking it which is then that brings us that's why they're using the predators
15:19because the predator it's flying overhead and as soon as it spots it it can go oh there it is
15:23it can fire but it appears i you know i can't say this with 100 degrees certainty but it sure appears
15:32that the houthis have figured this out and they've developed let's call it bait they'll create some
15:41mobile launchers that aren't really launchers at all they're just dressed up to look like it and
15:47they'll drive it out into a particular area and then they'll put some air defense systems nearby
15:53and just wait you know sort of like a deer hunter putting out a block of salt to attract the deer and
16:01then they'll sit back there with the rifle and as soon as the deer shows up blam you know you kill the
16:07deer got a got your your meat for three months that that appears to be what yemen's doing so the united
16:16states militarily is not going to prevail over yemen with these tactics despite you know all the nonsense
16:25about mr dead serious himself pete higset
16:31larry i talked with colin wilkerson and he mentioned something about the diego garcia base
16:40he said that he doesn't understand why they have true they have chosen to use the diego garcia base
16:47because it's it's defenseless if they decide to go after iran to fight with iran yeah and and today
16:55we've learned yesterday we've learned that uae is providing the fuel to the bombers and everything
17:02in diego garcia mostly is is coming mostly the fuel coming from the uae iran can neutralize them in
17:10in in in two hours in in a day yeah yeah well he's absolutely right it's just
17:21i you know i think some people are making the mistake they think that the united states has
17:25actually really thought this through plan this out uh you know run the scenarios like i did say
17:31scenario one scenario two scenario three if we do one what happens if we do two what do we need to do
17:37differently they're apparently not thinking that way it's it's all emotion and uh you know the the
17:49frustration level for trump's gonna grow because you know the this they keep saying any day now any day
18:00these houthis are gonna give up come on come on get give up the houthis uh you know they've got a
18:08different uh timeline uh in fact i just i heard today that they've already they launched three new missiles
18:15a hypersonic missile attacks into israel one at bingurian airport running a military base yeah they're not
18:23giving up and they're not doing this because they're terrorists you know that you know that's just
18:31that's western propaganda they're doing it because they're fighting on behalf of uh the people of
18:37palestine and they're not just fighting for gasa it is the west the west excuses genocide in the name of
18:49fighting terrorism and when you step back and look at the definition of terrorism is the use of violence
18:59against civilians for political purposes the biggest terrorist in this right now is israel
19:07with the united states it's great enabler given all of the civilians is killing
19:12the people in the united states it's a very good question but yes go ahead yesterday they've hit the
19:19the the the only functioning hospital in gaza larry and as you mentioned nobody's talking about in
19:28europe they're just outraged by what's going on in ukraine and nobody's talking about yeah the only
19:35hospital they're attacking that they're not here it's it's okay to kill them they're just they're
19:41cockroaches they're cockroaches they're not human beings they're palestinians for god's sake they're
19:46not real people i mean you know you understand my sarcasm it is you know this is if this if it's hollywood
19:58or bollywood you know the indian version of hollywood tried to make a movie about this it would be so absurd
20:08there's just the the the the blithely ignore the tens of thousands of dead civilians and then
20:20you know cry cry rivers of crocodile tears over the death of 10 civilians in uh ukraine now
20:29then sue me and good i'm not uh suggesting that that that's good uh the rush up to this point has
20:38diligently tried to avoid civilian casualties uh whereas we've got a consistent evidence with
20:45respect to ukraine of them attacking civilian targets without regard that are not being used
20:51for military purposes so a difference but uh this um you know the the war is cranked back up in gaza now
21:02uh you know these yeah the israelis are killing palestinians and uh hamas uh reportedly killed uh
21:09you know two israelis today and the israeli military is already suffering a crisis internally
21:16with the number of reservists now saying hell no i won't go i'm not going to do this
21:20i don't know i don't know if there is any strategy behind that but
21:33come on you know come on man you know there's no strategy behind it he feels like he's a political
21:44and military commentator instead of being the head of pentagon this is a position yeah a very important
21:51position from which he's talking and he has to consider that i don't know if he knows what
21:58what what what the what's the meaning of prudent what no no he does not couldn't spell it either
22:04probably you know no he's just uh he's a bobblehead you know those those dolls that they got you got
22:13you know it's a like a plastic body and then there's a spring attached the head the head does this
22:20that's hegseth you got the secretary of defense bobblehead but he's dead serious did i tell you
22:32you know i'm dead serious when i talk about this i want you to understand you know i'm going to beat
22:38that to death because it reflects his inability to actually thoughtfully explain a policy
22:51and again they come up with this now oh this is all about freedom of navigation in the red sea
22:57no it's not uh this is about trying to help israel uh maintain their their genocide against the
23:06palestinians so this uh you know i know there's a lot of optimism surrounding the possibility of the
23:16united states and iran talking but you know what um eve smith reminded me that she's a very smart lady
23:28that it was in the course of negotiations with adam hockstein
23:32talking talking to nasrallah and nasrallah was meeting with his advisors to talk about what a peace
23:42agreement and the israelis took advantage of that to kill him
23:47so i don't put anything past this this crew this could be an entire charade on the part of the united
23:58states foolishly thinking that they can that they can defeat iran militarily that they can inflict so
24:06much pain on iran that iran would be i would give up and that iran can't inflict any pain on the united
24:13states or its allies oh heavens no because we're the best in the world yeah we keep telling ourselves
24:21lies um
24:23um so it's just uh what's unfortunate with someone in hanks's position is you need somebody that's
24:34uh actually been in command of people in war you know he led a company you know big deal
24:44um he doesn't have the judgment he doesn't have the fear to recognize that you know
24:53we could be making some choices and decisions here that will if we make them we can't go back and undo
25:00them and it can all fundamentally alter the world as we know it um because you've now got to take
25:10into consideration that iran has a military i'll say i'll call it what it is it's a military alliance with china and russia
25:23it may it's it's it's written down with russia i'm not sure it's written down with china
25:30but the the um aggressiveness of trump is attacks on china with the tariffs you know
25:41these people look at all of this as a whole they're not saying is the united states becoming more
25:48friendly more cooperative more helpful or are they becoming a bigger son of a bitch every day
25:56and abusing us
25:59you know you tell me what i see is abuse what i see is i don't see any one of these countries including
26:08russia even though they're they're happy that they've got some talks going with witkoff and
26:12that they're moving on some of the get trying to restore normal diplomatic relations i don't think
26:18for a minute they believe that the united states can be trusted is a stable normal negotiating partner
26:29i think you know it's it's like dealing with uh uh an abusive father who's a drunk
26:36and you hope to god he didn't come home drunk comes home drunk he's hitting everybody
26:43um one minute you know if he's sober he's okay but then he gets drunk and man
26:48you know everything turns into a weapon that's donald trump
26:54you know his um his approach to life and you know he got caught friday night
27:01where they backed off of uh some of the tariffs on china i mean you could read what they said you
27:10know it wasn't just the wall street journal it was announced uh uh through uh homeland security and
27:16even the commerce secretary let the uh said it and then trump goes i know we didn't know where no
27:23we didn't do that no no no everyone boy it's in place and then meanwhile china says okay all these
27:29rare earth minerals that you need that you don't have alternatives for you you know it's one thing
27:36to actually get the raw material but then you got to get the process the the the process and those
27:42factors can take four to five years to build okay so china's holding a lot of cards here and trump's
27:52trying to play you know pretend that we can bully china so china's hearing that and then china's seeing
27:58what they're trying to do with the houthis and so this all comes together uh you know united states
28:07we look at it as episodes separate episodes not related chinese and russians don't and the iranians
28:14certainly don't they they look at this as an integrated whole and and from that standpoint
28:20united states is the biggest threat to world peace today
28:24considering the intensity and the roughness of the the the competition between the united states
28:33and china last week i talked with alex craner he said that with the current situation that the united
28:40states is in and competing with china and what's going on with the conflict in ukraine if they go in
28:47iran if they go if they if they if they decide to fight a war with iran that iran would be the graveyard
28:57of the u.s empire because yeah yeah go ahead sorry to cut you off and i i don't know if these people who
29:09are working with donald trump like hexet like michael rubio i don't know if they do have such a deep
29:18understanding of what what's a what's at risk for the united states if they start a new war no no they
29:25don't they they they buy they buy their own male bovine excrement i mean they really believe themselves
29:34they believe we got the we got the greatest the bestest military in the world nobody's better than
29:40us nema look at all the wars we've run oh that's right we haven't run any since world war ii
29:48and you know talk when he talks about our great war fighters our great war fighters what are they
29:54good at they're good at killing unarmed civilians they're good at bombing factories that don't have air
30:03defense they're good at attacking countries that don't have uh air force i mean you know so but
30:12we keep telling ourselves you know if yeah i could be the greatest fighter in my street i could be the
30:19king of my neighborhood just as long as i only beat up all the kids make sure they're you know younger
30:24than 12 years old you know the small little bit yeah i can man i smack them around i am the toughest
30:32guy in the neighborhood then what happens when someone who's my size maybe a little younger
30:41shows up and says stop it
30:44no more also i'm in trouble that and you don't you don't have anybody in around trump
30:53with maybe the uh you know tulsi gabbard maybe
30:56but i'm not sure that he's calling her in to say okay tulsi tell me what you think
31:05you know trump is not gathering information
31:10from critics he doesn't he doesn't like people that are going to sit around and tell him he's wrong
31:16you know he's um he's convinced that he's certain that he's right
31:24and so if if he proceeds if if they ignore this chance to negotiate the deal with iran
31:34they will go down the path of this war and it will
31:37it will severely damage the united states and you know it's not going to bring an end to the country
31:46but it's uh it'll bring it into donald trump's presidency because once he gets beat in the field
31:53like that he's not going to have anywhere to hide in all of his uh fight fight fight fight nonsense
31:59is uh no people aren't going to listen to that anymore they're going to say you know you got us
32:10you you you sent us into uh a no-win situation that you promised peace and you brought war
32:19i said i've said you know for three months now trump entered office with a historic opportunity
32:28to really uh go down in history as the president who brought peace he he ended the threat of war
32:37in the middle east both in israel and in iran and in yemen he brought it into the war in ukraine
32:47and he uh got back on the good relations with china
32:53you know we've been we've been looking for an excuse to fight with china
32:58uh and uh you know we come up with different narratives about why they're the bad guys
33:05so instead of uh being being the guy who brings peace he is bringing uncertainty and danger
33:16there's no no other way to call it when you look at the way that iranian officials are talking about the
33:23talks negotiations with the united states they want to get a deal done as soon as possible and
33:32we know that russia and china are supporting iran because they know iranian officials are
33:36going they don't want nuclear bombs they don't want nuclear weapons that's why they can get a deal
33:41as soon as possible and we know donald trump is not a sort of character that wants to
33:48dragging on the the talks and negotiation going on for years and he's not interested in that as well
33:55but what it give it gives us some sort of hope that the both parties are not interested in just
34:02continuing the talks without reaching any sort of outcome but on the other hand when i look at ukraine and
34:09the way that donald trump is just behaving in ukraine the war that he he he could have ended so far and
34:17it doesn't he he doesn't need to do that much to to put an end to the conflict in ukraine
34:24in my opinion he can just stop sending intelligence weapons all of that and he's capable of forcing
34:31europeans into a new position but he's not doing that yeah that's why i'm not optimistic about what's
34:39going on between the united states and europe no yeah no i agree uh he is um
34:47he doesn't even understand the causes he understands up to a point the causes of the war in ukraine
34:55certainly doesn't understand a damn thing about the middle east you know when you heard him the other
35:02day that you know that somehow the israel gave the palestinians gaza all that ocean front property and
35:12they made a mess of it you know nice fairy tale but that's not what happened you know israel's been
35:22an occupying military force for 70 years 70 plus years um so you know the palestinians have legitimate
35:34grievances you know what you know the news media is not covering it hardly at all the fact that israel
35:40prevented 50 000 christians yeah they're palestinian but they're christians from uh going to bethlehem
35:48and uh you know following the the traditional christian celebrations of easter
35:57the jews won't let that happen
36:01now if that if that got covered appropriately here in the united states all of a sudden israel's
36:06the support for israel that's so blindly held by many of these evangelical christians
36:11would start eroding rapidly um israel is just uh you know it's it's it's earned it's earned a
36:22status as a pariah state it should be you know my view treated just like south africa was during the
36:30days of uh it's apartheid existence shunned by the world
36:35did you see the report that says in somalia they're preparing united states together with turkey
36:43uae and arab states in somalia they're preparing their forces there they're a new and somehow some
36:50sort of base there to attack yemen yeah i saw that uh what you guys say somalia
36:59what what are we doing in somalia um you know i remember good god 35 years ago black hawk down
37:11the u.s they were willing to get uh id'd and then that turned into just a complete disaster
37:18and you know the u.s pats itself on the back because we killed you know what uh five ten thousand
37:27somali citizens that day who were you know a little upset that we were going in and arresting their
37:34leaders no up there those somalis not understand their position in in the world and now they're being
37:43used by the west you know this sounds like bay of pigs too you know where you go a launch an invading
37:51force what are they gonna do give them row boats canoes sailboats but they're going to go land in
37:59yemen and start a fight there and let's say you know let's say let's say they can put together that
38:05kind of force how the hell do they sustain the logistics you climb out of a boat you're carrying
38:14let's say 60 pounds of gear which is ammunition and you know let's say 20 of that 20 pounds of that
38:23gear is ammunition you'll fire that you can fire through that in 20 30 minutes all of a sudden you
38:29need more ammunition but where are you gonna get that you know that's what these people just don't
38:35understand the logistics involved with trying to carry out uh sustained military operation
38:43where you're gonna you're going up against people who are fighting on their home turf
38:47they've already got their supplies stashed uh
38:50uh it's just madness so yeah that's the the reason they're talking about that is because
38:58they failed to do what they claimed that they were going to do they failed
39:06and what's in it for turkey to join in that sort of operation against yemen um
39:12um it gets to be the the biggest baddest uh leader in in the middle east
39:22you know the the those shia are a bunch of upstarts you know the turks are largely sunni
39:31so the you know they don't they don't want to let those shia have any kind of uh victory or control
39:38now turkey again is part of the problem in the area
39:46larry one of the reasons that it seems that the on the part of the united states at least in the
39:53mainstream media they're talking about is that there is no necessity to put an end to the conflict
39:59as soon as possible in ukraine and how do you think that they really feel that russia is somehow
40:10not capable is not capable of advancing on the battlefield and what's the reality really what's
40:16going on on the battlefield that they're feeling so comfortable they're just sitting just let russia
40:21lose let russia be weakened how what's going on right now in european on the well i'm not i'm not
40:29sure i'm not sure i agree with your characterization they're feeling who do you think is feeling
40:33comfortable at least the people the establishment in the united states i'm not talking about the trump
40:40administration i'm talking about those people who made this war in ukraine who who are the main
40:46party in the conflict who are much more powerful in europe and the link they have with europe well okay
40:54so you're you're basically talking the neocon crowd the victoria newlands and uh they're not at all
41:00comfortable they're they're panicked uh they're trying they're trying to figure out what what they can do
41:08what they can spin up so that uh that trump doesn't abandon the ukrainians you know that's how they're
41:17catching it uh you know i go to soda go to my website sonar21.com and look at the piece i posted up last
41:27night i list every village city town that the russians have captured inside ukraine
41:38since january of 2024 so we're now 16 months um it's and it's not just in one area it's all along
41:50the line of contact they are steadily moving forward if you do uh you know you get an ai search engine
41:58and ask the question um give me the list of the towns villages cities in inside ukraine that
42:08the ukrainian army has taken from the russians and held
42:14the answer there's none yeah they did last last august they invaded into kursk and initially they
42:20captured you know like 90 settlements you know settlement could be just a group of five houses
42:27clustered together and that's called a settlement uh and they you know their high point they call it
42:36the zenith of their land capture and that operation was in september 2024 and then since then uh the
42:44russians steadily shrunk shrunk shrunk shrunk shrunk shrunk until in march they took suza and then basically
42:51effectively driven all the rest of ukrainians out the ukrainians lost enormous numbers of equipment
42:56and personnel they're not in you know they made some raids into belgorod but again they
43:01they can't go in and sustain it hold it and keep moving forward and pushing the russians back they're
43:07not doing that you can't show me one case not one case in the last 16 months
43:12yeah they've went in they go hey we planted our flag and then you know two weeks later they're gone
43:19that's not what i'm talking about this is you know the russians if we go back to 2022 the russians
43:26captured mariupol a major city in six weeks they're still there they haven't abandoned it
43:35they've got the nets secured and uh uh lissy chance lissy chance has been secured you know you go down
43:45the list vulador they're in the process of taking pakrovsk uh so you know the russians are making
43:55progress then and they're in fact the pace of their progress is increasing now that's we're going to see
44:01more worry uh because the the offensive there was there was talk that they were going to be doing
44:08an offensive and many said yeah when's it going to start i i maintain i think it started a week two
44:15weeks ago it's just they're not out announcing it but they're you got to look at the activity and the
44:23where it's happening you know three years ago in let's say april of 2022
44:29the the military efforts would have been confined maybe to one sector of the battlefield
44:37but uh russia no longer has to do that they've got a 1.5 million man army and their logistic system is
44:43fully intact and uh you know they're gonna they're gonna continue to move and capture more and more
44:50territory and you know the longer ukraine delays the more i think i think at a minimum the russians
45:02are going to wind up back in control of kiev and odessa
45:08i don't know why donald trump does feel that with zelensky office in ukraine he's going to be able to
45:15make a ukrainian settlement with russia this guy says he hates pun he's and then he said he hates all
45:23russians and how is that possible to talk with this guy he's not the official president of ukraine
45:31and making these comments yeah he's not helping himself and no nor helping ukraine in any process of
45:37negotiations he should hire you as an advisor neema you speak words of wisdom no you're right no he's
45:46just he's his own worst enemy but uh and there have been more and more reports coming out about his
45:54his graft graft his corruption the money he's stealing by supposedly bought a platinum mine in south africa
46:04buying property and the mediterranean
46:08so and if he thinks you know at some point he can hit the evacuation switch and leave
46:16and won't be followed and ultimately killed i think he's he's kidding himself yeah he's going to wind
46:25up dead i don't i don't know if it's going to be his ukrainian nazis to kill him or the russians
46:32i think it's more likely the ukrainian nazis will do him here is larry what lavrov said about nato
46:44it have been dissolved in the first place after the soviet union ceased to exist after the wars of
46:50treatises to exist yeah the biggest enemy of nato is nato itself and uh those who were uh trying to use
47:00it to dominate in violation of their own pledges in in osc and it shows how serious nato the concept of nato
47:10is today for russia well you go in and watch the full his full uh presentation there in turkey
47:18um you know he said look uh we we used to do things on a handshake basis
47:26we didn't because we recognized that you can spend all your time trying to put stuff down in words
47:32but but when people break their word you know you're you're left having to either go to war or
47:39break off relations so he said we we put a lot of trust and he said we trusted the americans jim baker
47:46told us not one step east with nato and then we kept raising our complaints um the the way the the west
47:57likes to tell the story is you know russia's this imperial power imperial power we've had to stand
48:03against it um you know that's why we need nato russia didn't attack anybody during the 1990s the army
48:12wasn't capable they didn't have the military strength the economy was in shambles that's when they tried
48:20to join twice once whether yeltsin's request and the other under putin's um then you get the west
48:28continuing to you know they signed some agreements with ukraine in i believe it was 97 98 and it was
48:36about military cooperation because you know the west are the plans to dismantle destroy the soviet union
48:46or destroy russia take all of russia's resources break it up make it ours
48:55and um to that end in 2007 it was the bucharest nato summit that putin said hey you know don't do this
49:08and then out of that bill burns i guess in 2008 said hey it's a bright red line
49:13the make if you expand nato any further west it's russia's going to fight back and yet means net
49:24and what did we do well we encouraged uh the georgians with a lot of nato support
49:30launched that attack that led to a two-week war with georgia where russia crushed them
49:36and then all of a sudden see see these russians man they're they're trying to take over the world
49:43and you know the united states is leading the charge on that while we're
49:47you know bombing the hell out of afghans and iraqis in 2008 and then in 2011
49:58we're in we're stirring up a civil war in syria arming training and equipping jihadis
50:03we're the ones who are actually out there spreading unrest you know the the we took out the muammar
50:13qaddafi you know after promise hey give up all your nuclear your chemical biological weapons man you'll
50:21be our best friend forever bffs dude and he was dumb enough to believe us
50:35i look at ukraine russia tried so hard they did everything to avoid the war in ukraine
50:41yeah don't come don't start this war and they're losing it larry china said don't sanction us don't
50:51put tariffs on us the way that you're witnessing that donald trump just backing down on computers and cell
50:59phones what was what's the necessity of this and the war with iran the same way i would see the same
51:06sort of outcome what is is is there gonna do you think that are we i'm i'm still hopeful about
51:15with god with the case of ukraine and iran and maybe with china i i don't know if is is he the only
51:24rational figure in the trump administration well let's um you know my my dear friend pepe
51:31uh on one of your your last conversation with him was excoriating what call for being a real estate
51:39developer um and i i i disagree with my with pepe he's a lawyer and i think he's a lawyer before he is
51:51some real estate wheeler and dealer uh because notice that with lawyers gee who else is a world leader that
52:00we know as a lawyer oh that would be oh vladimir putin so lawyer and you've been you've been around
52:08some lawyers right nema they have a particular way of looking at the world and the really good lawyers
52:17they have a way of going what are the facts what is the evidence let's lay it out what are the
52:24implications what's the risk they're always talking about managing risk don't create risk for yourself
52:31how to reduce that risk so that's why i think actually when putin and whitkoff get together
52:37man they're talking yeah putin was educated in a soviet legal system and whitkoff in an american legal
52:44system but the the training for lawyers is somewhat similar and so they end up having
52:51if you will a common language by which they can talk and i and i think that's actually one of the
52:57things that helped uh push these talks along so uh whitkoff's trying to look at it from a rational
53:05standpoint the problem whitkoff has is when he you know he's briefing trump today i'm sure maybe briefed
53:12him yesterday uh there's gonna the zionist crowd is gonna rise up and outrage and try to sabotage this
53:23and you know we could wind up with the meeting getting postponed or trump sending someone else to do
53:30the negotiation not whitkoff uh you know there are some accusing whitkoff already of being a puppet of
53:38poop he's pushing putin talking points so you know we're gonna find out we're gonna find out if
53:46trump is serious about peace or not uh is he gonna back whitkoff or not uh is he gonna really
53:54trump needs a victory right now because he's things aren't going well for him in ukraine things aren't
54:01going well for him with china if he pull if he gets iran say hey iran's not going to build a nuclear
54:09weapon we've got the guarantees we've got the assurances it's not going to happen i got i got
54:14us a peace deal and most of us will then say great you've gone back to the jcpoa which you canceled
54:22five years ago but it's good glad you you know glad you came around
54:26and you know did you watch anthony blinken's recent interview about ukraine he said we had
54:36differences with the government in ukraine yeah i'd be larry i wouldn't be surprised
54:43with the article in the times that they're talking about they were the british army the british military
54:51was behind the counter-offensive in 2023 that failed counter-offensive no no no no no that that it was
55:00the us that was a u.s brainchild the brits uh you remember there were there were those in that the
55:08kid in massachusetts that leaked those intelligence documents back then uh you know there were some
55:15they already had the intelligence assessments about you know when ukraine was going to run out
55:20of air defense systems etc now that was a that was a u.s plan the british were part of it
55:28definitely part had a role but i think that was a brainchild of the united states
55:36and in the terms of the differences that anthony blinken was mentioning he was
55:41trying to say that donald trump is not capable of managing the disagreements that that exists between
55:48the united states and ukraine or he was pointing out something else what was the main point of that
55:56sort of argument on his part well i'm not i'm not sure what the main point was i mean this is this
56:01just i i chalked it up to political noise you know look blinken biden sullivan and company along with
56:09floyd austin they made a disaster of ukraine and now it looks like donald trump is trying to
56:16one-up them making an even bigger mess we'll see he either he either brings it into the war
56:24or uh he's faced with uh doubling down and expanding the war and if he does that uh russia's russia's russia
56:33russia will win this they are winning this the the you know sort of uh the die is cast
56:43yeah
56:45i really do feel that wick of is capable of doing that he's capable yeah no he is he's so much when
56:53he talks he makes sense yeah he makes a lot of sense well he's like i said he's speaking like a lawyer
56:59you know um you know some of uh i'm not sure how much of a zionist he is you know does he how deeply
57:11held his religious views are um he at least would uh he failed to meet with hamas but at least he met
57:22you know shirkans with uh uh or yashi uh the the iranian foreign minister
57:29that's positive sign the uh the zionist crowd though in washington
57:38they don't want just a deal on the the nuclear weapons is an excuse okay that's all it is
57:45it is an excuse to get rid of iran if iran didn't even have a nuclear program if they weren't even
57:54enriching uranium they had no uranium the they'd still be demanding that they've got to give up
58:01their army that's got to stop supporting and that they got to they got to die we haven't forgiven them
58:08for taking over our embassy uh good god 46 years ago
58:20and i did i did they didn't forget about the case of mossad yeah yeah yeah
58:28yeah that's why let's say bygones let
58:38great pleasure as always larry to talk with you well hopefully i haven't ruined your week
58:43i've gotten you off to a decent start not at all all right my friend see you soon we'll see you on
58:50friday see you bye-bye okay bye-bye
59:01you