As Malaysia mourns the passing of its fifth Prime Minister, Tun Abdullah Ahmad Badawi, we reflect on the legacy of a leader known for his quiet strength, integrity, and commitment to moderation. He led the country through a time of transition — balancing tradition with reform. On this special edition of #ConsiderThis, Hafiz Marzukhi speaks to political observers and analysts to understand the man behind the title, and the values he carried into public service.
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00:00Hello and good evening, I'm Hafiz Marzouki and tonight we bring you solemn news that has touched the heart of nation.
00:15Malaysia morms the loss of a statesman, a gentleman leader whose quiet strength and unwavering integrity left an indelible mark on the country.
00:24Tun Abdullah Ahmad Badawi, the 5th Prime Minister of Malaysia has passed away. He breathed his last at 7.10pm at the National Heart Institute or IJN in Kuala Lumpur.
00:35Affectionately known as Paklah, he guided the country through a time of transition with calm resolve principle faith and a deep commitment to service.
00:45Tonight, we honour his life, reflect on his legacy and remember the values he stood for, humility, moderation and sincerity.
00:54We start tonight by speaking to Dato' Dr. Rais Husin Muhammad Arif. He is the CEO of Meranti Corporation and founder of Amir Research.
01:04Dato' I know it came as quite a shock not just to those close to him but also to the nation as well.
01:12But how would you characterize Tun Abdullah Ahmad Badawi's leadership style compared to his predecessors as well as his successors?
01:20Firstly, let me register our condolences to the family of Paklah, famously known Tun Abdullah Ahmad Badawi.
01:30Yes, it is quite a sad and solemn moment for many of us in Malaysia because he has been such a good Prime Minister who was very inclusive and personally I had few interactions with him.
01:47And during those interactions, I see him how he's ready and able to listen to alternative views and solely make a decision that is the most appropriate for the country and the nation.
02:01I think he will be greatly missed.
02:04Now, coming to his leadership style, obviously, as you have aptly said that he's a very mild-mannered, consensus-driven leader.
02:14Some call him Mr. Nice Guy for his courteous and inclusive approach.
02:21He has never used any words that can be very hurting, even to his arch-rivals and plural politics, you can say.
02:33Now, if you look at the key achievements of the Prime Minister, there are many by Pala, apart from leading the 2004 election victory.
02:44And then he went into the reforms of even establishing and founding the MECC and not forgetting the Islamic Adhari or the progressive Islam or civilizational Islam, along with all these big economic development regions, NCR, ECR, and so on.
03:04One other thing that I need to mention from the onset is that he's forgiving nature, remarkably forgiving towards rivals.
03:12He never held any critics against any one of his rivals.
03:18He has always been very magnanimous in forgiving his political nemesis and so on.
03:28We all remember he is one person who allowed the release of the present Prime Minister, Anwar Ibrahim, from prison in 2004.
03:38Coming to the other elements that we need to look at carefully is the post-PM non-intervention.
03:45Once he left the Prime Minister position, he kept away from criticizing and condescending any of his successes.
03:57And even though there is going to be any views, he will do it in his own way by virtue of personal advice.
04:07So he refrained from meddling in his successes administration, staying out of active politics.
04:13And of course, I think this theme will be off-repeated, moderation and adapt.
04:18He emphasized moderation and courtesy in politics.
04:25That's what the Quran says.
04:27Verily, you are the ummah of the wasata, the median ummah.
04:32So he exemplified, he championed interfaith harmony and respectful discourse, urging unity as the Prime Ministers of all Malaysians.
04:41I think these five elements that I have said in a cursory manner really represent and manifest who Pak La was.
04:51Remember, he always says, work with me, not for me.
04:56I think that explains his philosophy of leadership.
05:00Yes, yes, Dato, I remembered that work with me, a tagline, as at that time I was, you know, still studying at that time.
05:09And just taking off on that, many referred to Pak La as, as you said, Mr. Nice Guy, Mr. Clean.
05:17How did that image influence Malaysian politics during his time?
05:21Because, as you remembered, he presided over quite a tumultuous time in Malaysian politics.
05:30I think one thing about Pak La, he has always been very calm and consultative style, often referring consensus over confrontation.
05:40So the way he handles even the most difficult of the difficult critics and the way he responds to them, and respectfully, and with a great amount of adab, I think that speaks vehemently about who Pak La really is.
05:58And he talks about, as I said, work with me, not for me.
06:04I think that was a big signal, a break away from more authoritarian approaches rather than inclusive.
06:11I remember there was once, there were some legal issues involving UMNO, and I was there at his office, at this UMNO's headquarter, PWTC at the time.
06:26And the way he was listening, attentively, although there are some politicians, half-baked politicians who speak just like that.
06:35But he was listening very attentively before he made a decision.
06:41He said, the other politicians, the officers were saying, Rice, you only have 15 minutes.
06:46But he listened attentively for about 30 minutes, and then listened to the views of the lawyers, and then finally he said, okay, this is what we need to do.
06:57I thought that shows such a person who's very inclusive, attentively.
07:02Coming to Mr. Clean, I think it is important.
07:05Malaysia has been plagued with the issue of corruption and abuse and leakages for many, many years.
07:12M.A. Research have done a research and came up with the figure of 4.5 trillion ringgit loss from 1998 to 2022.
07:23And that's a lot of money.
07:25And Pak La mentioned many, many times, not the figure at that time, but more so how corruption can actually destroy a nation.
07:34And alhamdulillah, he came up with this MSCC, got the MSCC relatively independent.
07:43Of course, we want the MSCC one-day report to the parliament.
07:45But at this point of time, at that point of time, he managed to convene this MSCC.
07:52And I think that really works very well for the country.
07:56And we were combating corruption.
07:58Again, his lifelong battle against corruption was very profiled and very profound.
08:09And I think we hope that one day his battle against corruption is continued to the maximum level,
08:19as we can see what our current Prime Minister, Anwar Ibrahim, has been battling against corruption as well.
08:25So let us hope that his legacy does not only, we do not talk about his legacy when he was a Prime Minister,
08:33but how these legacies have impact our country, our nation for all.
08:40Yes, that's all.
08:41And right now, as you can see on the screen, it's actually scenes from his house.
08:47And as we here at Ezra Awani continue to speak about the late Alhamdulillah Hamdulillah's legacy.
08:56And earlier, Dato' you've mentioned about MACC, and I see it as one of Paklah's key institution legacies.
09:07Other than that, what are other key policy legacies that he has left?
09:13And for those who are probably too young to remember, are they still felt today?
09:19I think on the economic front, for instance, he initiated all the economic corridor initiative,
09:27the Northern Corridor Economic Region, the East Coast Economic Region, Sabah Development Corridor,
09:34Sarawak Corridor Renewable Energy, and later on is joined by Iskandar as well.
09:39Now we look at all this.
09:41Why did he do all this regional economic corridor?
09:44It is to address the problem of income inequality, income distribution issues,
09:51and trying to bring all the states that is of relevance to the mainstream,
09:56what happened in Selangor and the more developed states.
10:00I think that shows that he is very focused on trying to bring development and progress to all.
10:08Many people talk about leave no one behind, but actually he did what many people just talked.
10:16He did try to bring in everyone into the mainstream economic.
10:22The other one is that, of course, we talked about Islam Adhari.
10:28Now, this was, he launched sometime in 2004 as a national policy.
10:35Four or five items that he talked about to manifest Islam as a religion of moderate,
10:42progressive and inclusiveness.
10:44I recited the Quran just now,
10:45وَقَزَلَيْكَا جَعَنَّكُمْ أُمَّةً وَسَطَانِ
10:49And second, he wanted understanding of Islam as a comprehensive, a shumul.
10:57Islam is not cherry-picked.
10:59Islam is not used as a political tool.
11:02Islam is not used to justify one's narrow political objective.
11:07He wanted a shumul, a collective, a comprehensive,
11:10consistent with what the Quran says.
11:12I think this is something, he talked about 10 of those items,
11:17the faith in Allah, pembangunan ekonomi yang seimbang,
11:21a balanced economic development.
11:23And sometimes we go too much of the economic and then we let go the social element
11:27and a lot of people will suffer.
11:29And the integrity budaya and moral and perlindungan hak minority.
11:35I think these are the basic things that Pakla have helped us in developing Islam at Hatahari,
11:43which is actually a continuation of what is being done today under the Madani initiative.
11:50We also have this, the third element was the,
11:54trying to strengthen the Islamic identity in the global context.
11:57I think Islam has gone through many, many issues of Islamophobia and we have a lot of challenges worldwide.
12:04Some because of being inflicted, some because of self-infliction.
12:08I think Pakla saw this way ahead of time and trying to address this through the Hatahari initiative.
12:15And then the one that always people talk about is the Pembentukan Modal Insan.
12:21This is very critical because you can have brilliant people,
12:27but if you do not have the Akhidah, you do not have the knowledge,
12:30and if you do not have the Akhlaq, the culture, the civilizational culture, the Adha,
12:36then we will have big issues.
12:38And of course, the fifth one is Pakla, as he lived by the same epitome,
12:46he was against extremism of any kind.
12:50So whether it's religious extremism or racial extremism.
12:54So he wanted a very cohesive, collective, united Malaysian.
13:00And I think Islam Adhari was initiated towards that.
13:04If you ask me whether that is being felt today,
13:06I think, yes, we are, of course, there are battles that we need to continuously fight
13:11with politicians who are hell-bent on identity politics of race and religion.
13:17But Pakla was way ahead of time,
13:19and I think this is now being continued by Prime Minister Anwar Ibrahim
13:23with his madani approach, where the same principle,
13:27the same ideals have also been earmarked.
13:31Indeed, Datuk.
13:32So thank you so much for sharing some of your insights and thoughts
13:36about the late Tuan Abdullah.
13:38Thank you so much for sharing a bit of your time with us.
13:42And next we have on the line to continue speaking about Pakla's legacy
13:47is Dr. Bridget Welsh.
13:49She is from the Asia Research Institute,
13:51University of Nottingham, Malaysia.
13:54Dr. Bridget, thanks so much for spending your time with us
13:57and continuing our discussion on the late Pakla's legacy.
14:01And Pakla was often described as soft-spoken and mild-mannered.
14:05And in your opinion, did that become a strength or a weakness,
14:09especially in the vicious world of politics in Malaysia?
14:13I think it was both.
14:16He was a gentleman, and he was able to cross bridges
14:20and engage with many people.
14:23And he came at a time after Mahathir,
14:27which the country needed a breath of fresh air.
14:30And his decency and his style really provided life to the country
14:37at that particular point of time.
14:38At the same time, he wasn't a vindictive and calculating strategic politician
14:45that, you know, Malaysian politics can often come into.
14:51And we can see that, you know, he was targeted
14:53and brought down by people within his own party
14:58and his former mentor, Mahathir Mohamad.
15:03Yes.
15:03You mentioned just now about, you know, his image.
15:07What can we learn about leadership, humility,
15:10especially from Pakla's career and, you know, eventual resignation?
15:14I mean, it's been a while since a Malaysian prime minister resigned,
15:19even after winning an election.
15:22What's your take on that?
15:25Well, you know, he did many things that were a first.
15:28And I think that, you know, his legacy for the years
15:32that he was prime minister is extremely important in terms of leadership.
15:35I think, you know, he, in the 2004 election,
15:39he won the most biggest victory that I know it ever had.
15:43And in 2008, you know, he allowed the transition of power to take place.
15:50And I think he did that and maintained stability for the country
15:53and at the same time did, you know, reflected the will of the voters.
15:58And then later he resigned from office.
16:00And I think that speaks to the type of character he was.
16:04He wanted, he put others first before himself.
16:08And he also, you know, looked at the situation in terms of assessing
16:13what was on the ground.
16:15And he chose the right path in terms of making his decisions.
16:19In your opinion, where does Pak Lah stand in Malaysia's broader political history?
16:26You know, we've had 10 prime ministers.
16:28He's the fifth.
16:30You know, where, how will history remember him?
16:34Well, you know, in the book that I wrote and co-edited with James Chin,
16:38which had 31 different contributions,
16:40the things that people talk about,
16:43not only the issues we discussed about his character
16:45and his personality and his leadership style
16:48and the timing that he came into office.
16:51But, you know, he left a tremendous legacy,
16:54bridging a country that had one sort of strongman leader
16:58to a country that has had multiple sets of leaders.
17:02And he did that by allowing and empowering Malaysians,
17:05giving space for Malaysian voices.
17:08He helped to create and strengthen institutions
17:10that had been weakened during the first Mahatir government,
17:13including the judiciary, including the parliament.
17:17And he also tried to build a moral code through Islam Haddari.
17:21That didn't work that well.
17:23And there are some negative things about how that created
17:26a much more polarization in the country.
17:30But at the same juncture,
17:31he basically saw the importance of having a moral basis of governance.
17:37And I think when you compare him to many other prime ministers,
17:40you know, he chose his own path out of office.
17:46And he also, you know, he doesn't have the scandals
17:50and the antipathy that a lot of people have
17:53towards many of the prime ministers.
17:55And he helped to transition the country
17:57and awaken the country to the modern future
18:01that it is currently facing and dealing with and thriving in.
18:04I like the part where you mentioned that he chose his own path out of office.
18:10Do you think Pak Lah was underappreciated during his time in office?
18:15Absolutely.
18:16I think he, you know, the fact that he created space
18:20for different parts of government and different parts of society
18:25to be empowered is something that, you know, is quite phenomenal.
18:31I mean, you know, Malaysia's resilience, Malaysia's strength
18:34comes from allowing pockets of power to be able to breathe.
18:40Abdul Badawi did that.
18:42He gave them the space to do that.
18:44People often, you know, made fun of him when he was prime minister
18:48for sleeping and for seeing him as weak.
18:53I think that they were expecting him to follow in the shadow
18:56of the strong man that he replaced.
18:58But in fact, actually, he showcased a different type of leadership,
19:03a leadership that was tied to empathy, to caring, to inclusiveness.
19:08And yes, no question, many of the issues and challenges
19:12that the country had faced and continue to face
19:14came to the surface during his tenure.
19:17And many of them were not resolved and continue to be problems.
19:20But the fact is that he showed a different path for the country.
19:23And I think clearly he's underappreciated and I think he left a tremendous mark
19:28for the country.
19:29With his passing, Bridget, what kind of reflection do you think the political class,
19:35not just the MPs and the rakyat, should be making about this?
19:40I think there are three key points I would make.
19:43One is the importance of decency.
19:45You know, what I think we will see, with the exception of maybe a few key individuals
19:51where the antipathy was quite strong,
19:53I would say that, you know, he was a man of tremendous decency.
19:59When I interviewed him about his tenure and about Mahathir,
20:04you know, he made only one major comment.
20:06You know, he said that this is, that it was his way when he was speaking about Mahathir.
20:11Nothing else.
20:12And he said it with such decency in terms of the way he spoke about someone
20:17who helped to pull him down politically.
20:19The second thing is dignity.
20:21I mean, he really, you know, he was somebody that had this quiet dignity.
20:27He laughed and joked and it was a tremendous, you know,
20:32person who had a good sense of humor, but also a sense of appreciation of life.
20:40And I think that, you know, when people look back,
20:44they will remember somebody that showcased a different type of personality
20:50that wasn't so focused on holding power and wielding power,
20:57but in fact showcasing what the potentials for power could be.
21:02And the final thing I would say in this context about him
21:05is that I think that, you know, the strength of Malaysia
21:10was ironically showcased during his tenure.
21:15And a good leader is someone who allows the country to grow,
21:19allows other people to come forward.
21:22And Patlah did that.
21:23And, you know, what do you think will be remembered the most
21:29about Tuan Abdullah's contributions to the nation?
21:31We spoke about the man, but what about the things
21:34or the legacies he left behind from Malaysia?
21:37He helped to build back the institutions that had been curbed back.
21:42He allowed the space for people's voices.
21:45This is a time where there was greater democratic reform
21:48in terms of not only in institutions, but allowing space for new media.
21:55He was a Democrat in the small d.
21:58You know, he allowed the voices.
22:01You know, keep in mind, as I mentioned earlier on the 2008 election,
22:05you know, this was the end of the two-thirds
22:09that Barth of National held in office.
22:13You know, previously in history in 1969,
22:16there was a very different story when that happened.
22:19Patlah made sure that there was a political change
22:22that the country was going through
22:24was handled with dignity and was handled peacefully.
22:28So I think he will, when we think about the transformation
22:31that the country has gone through,
22:34he helped to build the institutions to be able to allow it
22:37and also allowed the voices of people to be able to have
22:40a new leadership or new generation of voices to come forth.
22:44Thank you very much, Bridget, for your insights.
22:48And it's, although I'm happy to be speaking to you,
22:51but it's sad that it's on such somber note
22:53that was Dr. Bridget Welsh
22:55from the University of Nottingham, Malaysia.
22:58And next, we have Dr. Azmi Hassan.
23:01He's the senior fellow from Nusantara Academy
23:04for strategic research.
23:07Dr. Azmi, thanks so much for, you know,
23:09sharing this insights with us.
23:12How would you characterize Paklah's leadership style
23:16and the tone that he said
23:18during all those years, six years of him in office?
23:23I think it's true enough.
23:25I guess Malaysia will miss him.
23:27When Paklah, as we call, fondly call him Paklah,
23:31there is a reason why we call him Paklah,
23:33because he's a very fatherly light,
23:36even though as a prime minister,
23:38pressure must be very tremendous,
23:41but Paklah never showed it.
23:43And I think anybody can ask advice from him
23:47and he will give it a fatherly advice.
23:50I think Malaysia mostly will miss that kind of leadership.
23:54I don't categorize Paklah leadership as leadership,
23:58but he's more than that.
23:59He's a statesman in this particular case.
24:02So within his six years as prime minister,
24:06I think when you ask Bridget,
24:08I think Paklah has been underrated
24:12or undervalued, underappreciated.
24:15And after Paklah resigned as the prime minister,
24:21his public appearance is very, very minimum date.
24:25And there must be a reason for it.
24:27I just read Dato' Sri Adua's statement
24:30regarding Paklah.
24:31One paragraph that caught me is that
24:34during Dato' Sri Adua's darkest days,
24:37Paklah, as the prime minister,
24:40doesn't want to put, you know,
24:45a burden more on Dato' Sri Adua
24:48at that particular time.
24:49So it just shows that that kind of leadership,
24:52a statement, Paklah, it was.
24:56One of the hallmarks of his administration,
24:59Doctor, was the emphasis on civilizational Islam
25:02or Islam Hadari,
25:04the concept of Islam Hadari.
25:05How did this concept shape national discourse
25:08on religion, governance, and modernity at that time?
25:13Yes, very true indeed.
25:15I think when Paklah introduced Islam Hadari,
25:18Institute of IAS,
25:20was established at that particular time,
25:23I think it's all about governance.
25:26Governance that taking cue or taking care
25:29of the sunnah, the Al-Quran in this particular case.
25:34I think that's the reason
25:35why Paklah was called as Mr. Clinton
25:40because he wanted the governance,
25:43especially government staff,
25:45to be clear of corruption in this case.
25:49So Islam Hadari,
25:50if we look at very carefully,
25:52it's running parallel with the Madani concept
25:56of the Prime Minister,
25:57Dato' Serehanwar Ibrahim currently.
26:00So I guess Islam Hadari was introduced
26:03as a concept governance,
26:05not only on the government part of the governance,
26:09but the governance at all level
26:12that are clean from corruption,
26:15very efficient.
26:17And I would say that
26:18this particular rally cry
26:20has been taken by Dato' Serehanwar
26:23in his fight for to be minimized
26:26or to eliminate corruption altogether.
26:30It's all about Islam Hadari itself.
26:34I think Islam Hadari is not dead yet.
26:37It's not in the back burner,
26:39but it's been running
26:40after Paklah in 2009 resigned as a Prime Minister,
26:45but it's been running implicitly.
26:47We did not realize that
26:48the seat put by Paklah
26:50at that particular time
26:52on how to govern
26:53in terms of
26:55taking care of the sunnah
26:57and also the Quran in this case.
27:01You spoke about his approach to governance.
27:04What was his approach
27:05to civil service reform
27:07and did it leave a lasting impact
27:10in your opinion?
27:12Yeah, I think Paklah put the importance
27:15on the, I would say,
27:18the human development.
27:21Not only he want the civil servant
27:24to be clean,
27:25to be efficient,
27:26to make decisions based on facts,
27:29to make decisions,
27:30put the country first,
27:31put the rakyat first,
27:33but also he want
27:35the capital development
27:36of the civil service
27:38to be on par
27:40as the first,
27:43I would say,
27:44the quality of life.
27:45I still remember Paklah always lamented
27:48that Malaysia
27:49has a first-class infrastructure,
27:52has a first-class facilities,
27:55but our mentality
27:57is still stuck
27:58in the third world class.
28:01So Paklah was very frustrated
28:02at that particular time.
28:04So that's the reason
28:05why he put emphasis
28:06on human capital development,
28:09not only on the civil service,
28:11but also on the whole,
28:13the running of the government,
28:15the executive branch,
28:16the legislative branch,
28:18so that when we make decisions,
28:21it is based on facts.
28:23It is based on the priority
28:25for the better of the nation.
28:27So I think that's what the last thing,
28:30what we remember about Paklah
28:32during his nine years
28:34as a prime minister.
28:36Yeah, he is known
28:37as the father
28:38of human capital development.
28:41So in your opinion,
28:42are there particular issues
28:44or values
28:44that he championed then
28:46that, you know,
28:47maybe younger politicians
28:48should take up?
28:49Maybe it is forgotten
28:50or it's not taken up as much?
28:52What do you think?
28:54Yeah, when you say
28:55younger politician,
28:56I just heard
28:58Datuk Seri Azalina,
29:00the minister
29:01in the prime minister
29:02of the department
29:02regarding law,
29:04she said that
29:05when Putri was established
29:07in 2001,
29:082002,
29:10Paklah did give her a chance.
29:13At that particular time,
29:14Datuk Seri Azalina
29:15was a young politician,
29:17not fit yet
29:18to be in Juanita
29:19at that particular time,
29:20but Putri was established
29:22and Datuk Seri Azalina
29:24was the first Putri leader
29:26at that time
29:27and Datuk Seri Azalina
29:29said that he wouldn't be there,
29:31he wouldn't be here
29:32as it is right now
29:33if the chance
29:34was not given by Paklah.
29:36I think Paklah
29:37took a huge risk
29:39in giving a chance
29:40to a very young politician,
29:43a woman that is,
29:44and we can see
29:45the result of it.
29:46Datuk Seri Azalina
29:47right now,
29:48one of our,
29:49I would say,
29:49trusted,
29:50one of our best politicians.
29:51So in this case,
29:53I think Paklah
29:54bravely enough
29:56to take the risk
29:58of giving a chance
30:00to a young politician.
30:02This is very rare,
30:03very rare indeed
30:04in UMNO
30:06or in other political parties
30:08where a young politician
30:09is given a chance
30:10to lead
30:11one of the most important wings
30:14in UMNO
30:15in this particular case.
30:16So I think Paklah,
30:18he's very cool,
30:20very level-headed,
30:21but he took chances
30:22in this particular case
30:24and it will,
30:25it gave
30:26a fruitful,
30:27I think,
30:28event
30:28after that particular
30:30event.
30:32With his passing,
30:34Doctor,
30:35you know,
30:35I've asked this question
30:36to Bridget
30:38and also Datuk,
30:39what kind of reflection
30:40do you think
30:41the rakyat
30:42should be making
30:43from,
30:44you know,
30:45Paklah
30:45and the legacy
30:46that he has left behind?
30:48What can we learn?
30:48I think,
30:50yeah,
30:50I think that
30:51the best legacy
30:52is that I think
30:53when the news
30:55sings
30:56to the rakyat
30:57that Paklah
30:57is not
30:59there anymore,
31:01I think
31:02we will miss him.
31:03When I said
31:04before this,
31:05in 2009,
31:06when he resigned
31:07as the prime minister,
31:09Paklah,
31:11in the next few years
31:12after that,
31:132010
31:13and 2020,
31:17Paklah rarely
31:18appear
31:19in public.
31:21So,
31:21gradually,
31:22we miss
31:22Paklah
31:23with his empathy
31:25on the people's
31:26problems.
31:27So,
31:27with the passing,
31:28Paklah,
31:30I think,
31:31I think the legacy
31:31is that
31:32we will miss him.
31:34I think we need
31:35a politician
31:36like Paklah.
31:37You know,
31:37coming,
31:37taking over
31:38from Tundokta Mahdi,
31:40which Tundokta Mahdi
31:41is very,
31:41I would say,
31:42very bold
31:43in his style
31:44of leadership
31:44and suddenly
31:45we were surprised
31:46with the kind,
31:47soft-hearted
31:48prime minister
31:49at that time.
31:51At that time,
31:51we did not really
31:53appreciate it.
31:53As you mentioned
31:54just now,
31:55maybe Paklah
31:55is underappreciated
31:57at that particular time,
31:58but after
31:59his resignation
32:01in 2009
32:02and
32:03most probably
32:04after his
32:05passing away,
32:06I think we really
32:07miss that kind
32:08of politician
32:09because
32:09it is a very
32:11toxic
32:12politics of
32:14Malaysia
32:14at this particular
32:15time,
32:15we need
32:16that kind
32:17of politician
32:19in this particular
32:20case.
32:23All right,
32:24Doctor,
32:25thank you so much
32:26for taking
32:27some time
32:27of your night
32:28to come
32:28and share
32:29insights with us.
32:30We appreciate it.
32:31That is Dr. Azmi Hassan.
32:33He is the
32:33Senior Fellow
32:34from Nusantara
32:35Academy for Strategic
32:36Research.
32:37Do stay
32:39with us
32:40as we
32:41continue
32:42remembering
32:44the legacy
32:44of Paklah.
32:46Here is
32:47an excerpt
32:49of
32:50the
32:51press conference
32:52made by
32:53former
32:53Kabinet Minister
32:54Khairi Jamaluddin
32:56who is also
32:57the
32:57son-in-law
32:59of Paklah.
33:31Sepertimana
33:32yang saya
33:33telahpun
33:33buat naik
33:34tadi
33:35pada
33:35jam
33:367.10
33:37malam
33:38Paklah
33:42telahpun
33:43meninggal dunia
33:44kembali
33:45ke
33:45Rahmatullah.
33:47Semua
33:48ahli-ahli
33:48keluarga
33:49beliau
33:50berada
33:51bersama
33:51dengan beliau
33:52di sisi
33:53beliau
33:53dan
33:54Tun Jin
33:56isteri
33:58kepada Paklah
33:59juga
33:59bersama
34:00dan
34:00semua
34:01anak-anak
34:01termasuk
34:03Kamal
34:04Nori
34:04Nadine
34:05Nadia
34:07dan juga
34:07Nazri
34:08Empatlah
34:10telah
34:10meninggal
34:10dalam
34:11keadaan
34:11yang
34:12yang
34:13tenang
34:14keadaan
34:15yang
34:16tenteram
34:16dan
34:18beliau pun
34:18telah
34:19dimasukkan ke
34:20IJN
34:21awal pagi
34:22semalam
34:22awal pagi
34:23semalam
34:24nanti
34:24boleh
34:24rujuk
34:25kepada
34:25nyataan
34:26daripada
34:26Dr. Azmi
34:27dan juga
34:28Dr. Izani
34:29Selain
34:32daripada itu
34:32kita
34:33telahpun
34:34menerima
34:35banyak
34:36ucapan
34:36takziah
34:36ucapkan terima kasih
34:38kepada semua
34:38yang telah
34:39menyampaikan
34:39mesej
34:40takziah
34:41Saya
34:42nak
34:42umumkan
34:43juga
34:43beberapa
34:44maklumat
34:46kenaan
34:46dengan
34:47pengabumian
34:49Dato'
34:50ni
34:50Tun
34:51Abdullah
34:51Badawi
34:51pada hari
34:53esok
34:53jadi
34:54selepas ini
34:56jenazah
34:57Tun
34:57akan dibawa
34:58ke
34:59kediaman
34:59beliau
34:59di Kuala Lumpur
35:02dan
35:03pada
35:04esok
35:05pagi
35:05pada esok
35:06pagi
35:06jenazah
35:07Tun
35:08Abdullah
35:08akan
35:09dibawa
35:09ke
35:10Masjid
35:10Negara
35:11Masjid
35:12Negara
35:12dan
35:13pada
35:14jam
35:1511 pagi
35:17pada jam
35:1711 pagi
35:19hingga
35:19jam
35:201 petang
35:2111 pagi
35:22hingga
35:231 petang
35:23jenazah
35:25Tun Abdullah
35:26akan
35:27diletakkan
35:28di
35:29Dewan
35:29Solat
35:30Utama
35:30Masjid
35:31Negara
35:32untuk
35:33membolehkan
35:34penghormatan
35:34akhir
35:35diberi
35:36oleh
35:37orang
35:39awang
35:39dan
35:40kita
35:41kita
35:41harap
35:41bahawa
35:42sesiapa
35:43yang
35:44ingin
35:44memberi
35:44penghormatan
35:45terakhir
35:45kepada
35:46Paklah
35:46bolehlah
35:47datang
35:47ke
35:47Masjid
35:48Negara
35:48pada
35:49hari esok
35:50bermula
35:50pada jam
35:5111 pagi
35:52hingga
35:531 petang
35:54untuk
35:57mereka
35:58yang
35:59non-Muslim
36:01kita minta
36:02supaya
36:02datang
36:03memakai
36:04baju
36:06yang sesuai
36:06untuk
36:07masuk
36:08ke dalam
36:09Dewan
36:09Solat
36:10Masjid
36:10kalau tidak
36:11jubah
36:11akan
36:12disediakan
36:12oleh
36:13pihak
36:13Masjid
36:14Negara
36:15selepas
36:16Zohor
36:17akan
36:18diadakan
36:19solat
36:19jenazah
36:20bagi
36:21Paklah
36:21dan
36:22selepas
36:23solat
36:23jenazah
36:24jenazah
36:24Paklah
36:25akan
36:25dikebumikan
36:26di
36:27makam
36:28pahlawan
36:28di
36:29Masjid
36:29Negara
36:30kita
36:31ucapkan
36:31terima kasih
36:32kepada
36:32yang amat
36:33berhormat
36:33Perdana Menteri
36:35tadi
36:35Abang
36:36Ipah
36:36saya
36:37telah
36:37pun
36:38sempat
36:40untuk berbincang
36:40perkara ini
36:41dengan
36:41nyamak
36:42bomat
36:42dan
36:42mimpi
36:42yang telah
36:43pun
36:44mengesahkan
36:45dan
36:45memberi
36:46kebenaran
36:47untuk
36:48jenazah
36:48Paklah
36:49dikebumikan
36:50di
36:51makam
36:51pahlawan
36:52Masjid
36:53Negara
36:54jadi
36:55itulah
36:55sahaja
36:56pengumuman
36:57saya
36:58dan
36:58wakil
36:59keluarga
36:59Paklah
37:00buat masa
37:00ini
37:00saya minta
37:02kalau ada
37:02apa-apa
37:03soalan
37:03kenapa
37:06jenazah
37:07orang yang
37:07dimasukkan
37:09kawasan
37:09semalam
37:09ada
37:10menudukan
37:10kemahas
37:11dan sebagainya
37:12dan
37:15kenapa
37:15dimasukkan
37:16kawasan
37:16peter
37:16IGN
37:17kerana
37:18menghadapi
37:18masalah
37:19sesak
37:19nafas
37:19dan
37:21kenapa
37:22dimasukkan
37:23dan dirabati
37:24di
37:24CCU
37:25semasa
37:35beliau
37:35mengalui
37:36masalah
37:37utama
37:38adalah
37:38sebab
37:38dia
37:38sesak
37:39nafas
37:39dan kami
37:40menawati
37:41dia
37:41dengan
37:42CCU
37:42kami
37:42dengan
37:43semua
37:44support
37:46yang kami
37:46ada
37:46termasuk
37:47ventilation
37:48support
37:48dan juga
37:50alat-alat
37:50untuk membantu
37:51tekanan
37:51darah
37:52tetapi
37:53dengan
37:56maximum
37:57support
37:57yang kami
37:57berikan
37:59itu
38:00tidak dapat
38:01artis
38:01jadi
38:08kalau kita
38:09nak
38:09beritahu
38:10punca
38:10pemergian
38:11awal yakham
38:12ialah
38:12saya rasa
38:14salah satu
38:15yang tak terutama
38:15sekali
38:16ialah
38:16waktu usia
38:17waktu usia
38:18satu
38:18kemudian
38:19sebab
38:20keadaan
38:20sesak
38:21sebab itu
38:21menyebabkan
38:22organ-organ
38:23lain dalam
38:24badan pun
38:25kurang
38:25berfungsi
38:26walaupun
38:26telah dibantu
38:27dengan mesin
38:28penafasan
38:28dan
38:30ubat
38:30untuk jantung
38:31dan sebagainya
38:31tapi
38:32saya sebab
38:33usia
38:33memainkan
38:34peranan
38:34yang besar
38:34dan
38:35sedihnya
38:38tak dapat
38:38bantuan
38:39walaupun
38:39ada
38:45ada
38:45lagi
38:46bagi pihak
38:52keluarga
38:53saya ingin
38:54mengucapkan
38:54terima kasih
38:55kepada
38:55pihak
38:56institut
38:57Tantung Garo
38:58yang
38:59telah
38:59menjaga
39:03Tuan
39:03dengan
39:04begitu
39:05baik
39:05sekarang
39:05sejak
39:06beberapa tahun
39:07yang lepas
39:07dan
39:08mereka telah
39:09melakukan
39:10segala
39:10usaha
39:11tadi
39:11untuk
39:13memastikan
39:14Tuan berada
39:15di dalam
39:15keadaan
39:16yang
39:16tenang
39:17pada saat-saat
39:19terakhir
39:19terima kasih
39:20terima kasih
39:21terima kasih
39:21terima kasih
39:23kepada
39:23pihak media
39:24juga
39:25kalau ada
39:25apa-apa
39:26update
39:27nanti
39:27supaya
39:28memudahkan
39:29kalau ada
39:30apa-apa
39:31perubahan
39:32saya akan
39:33maklum
39:33kepada
39:33Bobby
39:34kepada
39:34Raja Sari
39:35dia akan
39:35maklumkan
39:36kepada media
39:37kalau ada
39:37apa-apa
39:37perubahan
39:38ok
39:39terima kasih
39:40a'udhu
39:45billahi
39:46minas
39:46shaitan
39:47rajeem
39:50bismillah
39:51rrahman
39:53rrahim
39:55alhamdulillahi
39:58rabbil
39:59alamin
40:01arrahman
40:03rrahim
40:06maliki
40:07yawm
40:08iya
40:12ke
40:12na'bud
40:13wa iya
40:14ke
40:14nasta'i
40:15in
40:17ihdina
40:19الصراط
40:19al-mustakim
40:23صراط
40:24al-lazim
40:25an'an't
40:26alayhim
40:27ghayri
40:28al-maghdub
40:29alayhim
40:30wal-al-dal-lien
40:361
40:372
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40:383
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