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00:00How'd you get started in this whole golf cycle of teaching?
00:04And where's your motivation stem from right from the get go and all this?
00:09Yeah, I mean, I think early on in my sort of career,
00:11I or my relationship with golf in general, I was really enamored
00:16with just coaching and then some of the swing stuff.
00:20And I always found it so interesting how there are so many books
00:24written about like golf instruction, and it's probably the like
00:27the most sort of studied sport at a very granular level.
00:31And I was like, I was like, this is OK, this is wild.
00:34But then also like how many different opinions there were.
00:37So I just looked at the whole thing and I obviously love playing,
00:40but the whole kind of like studying swing and coaching, et cetera.
00:43I just I was like, wow, there's there's obviously not a consensus,
00:47which makes things interesting, right?
00:48Because it's like, OK, there's clearly, you know, maybe sort of gaps
00:52in the overall kind of understanding or body of knowledge.
00:55If, you know, the foremost experts
00:57are so sort of apart from each other on their opinions.
01:01And yeah, I just know I graduated undergrad.
01:06I was like, you know, you have these decisions of like,
01:08do I go in this direction or do I go this direction?
01:10And, you know, I was very much in love with the game.
01:13And and and, you know, I just sort of decided
01:16I wanted to go down the path of trying to be a great coach.
01:18Chris, you know, it's kind of funny is how that, you know, back in the day,
01:21it used to be a lot of let's just say coaches would put out their own videotapes
01:28or even famous players would put out their swing feels of how they would do things.
01:33And this is how a lot of coaches learned or became,
01:38you know, enamored and trying to become a coach.
01:40Now there's all this data, you know, there's Instagram and all these things.
01:44But in the past, it was, you know, videotapes is how a lot of people
01:49would learn the game of golf.
01:51Yeah. Right.
01:52All like a lot of great players would put out, you know, their version of my way.
01:57I have a I had a bunch of videos of Nick Faldo with David Lebeder
02:01over at Valderrama, and they did this whole like and they did a second one also.
02:06But I mean, it was this is a quite a while ago.
02:08And it was it was great. It was awesome.
02:09And it was a lot of Nick Faldo's sort of feels what he was working on,
02:13things like that, which I actually think there's still a lot of value in,
02:17you know, really looking at a player
02:19and what their sort of experience of their swing is,
02:23even if it's maybe not air quotes objective.
02:26Like it's it's it's giving some insight to like, you know,
02:29how did they experience that particular motion?
02:32There's certain things that we can't measure like in the whole air
02:35coats, you know, new sort of era of measurement world.
02:38There's it's still we're still able to measure a very small percentage
02:41of what's happening. Right.
02:42And I think if you kind of like, I don't know,
02:45if you remember that old TV show, Columbo,
02:47if you kind of like sort of play detective and like really kind of listen to things,
02:50you can sort of pick up things and and somewhat fill up, fill in the gaps of stuff.
02:55You know, I really feel like as a teacher,
02:58one of the more like a really important window for me was like hanging out
03:00with Tiger and just kind of hearing his experience of his swing,
03:06say, back in 2000.
03:07So we would look at like a ton of footage of a swing back then.
03:10And then just like, how did he experience that?
03:12And that was just, you know, super illuminating.
03:15So I definitely don't think I think that sort of window
03:19where people had produced kind of their own experience of their game,
03:23I still think has a lot of value in today's era of like modern instruction
03:27with with data and Trackman and 3D, et cetera.