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00:00This program is brought to you by DAREGA KAITON NEN, the book that changed the world in two days.
00:16Today's guest is Mr. Nagaya Yotsume from Niigata, Niigata City.
00:24Mr. Nagaya.
00:25It's just a snack.
00:27I can't find a single book.
00:29It's a new snack.
00:30It's starting to disappear.
00:32New snack.
00:33Is it a book if you translate it?
00:35No, it's not.
00:36I thought it would be nice to have a drink at an old bookstore, so I started.
00:41I was drunk every day for two days, and I lost my memory.
00:45From the middle of the show, the audience and the background were crushed.
00:49It's like a guest entering a counter.
00:52You're not a good host.
00:54I'm sick, I'm poor, and I don't make much money, so I want to quit soon.
01:01That's what I thought.
01:03That's what I thought.
01:04It's the best.
01:05I've heard so much, and it looks great.
01:10It's interesting.
01:11That's how it is.
01:12This week's guest is here.
01:14Buddy.
01:15New guest.
01:16Buddy, right?
01:18What's a new guest?
01:20Does anyone have a new guest?
01:22The author is a researcher of girl manga.
01:26He analyzes the bodies of various fictional characters at various angles.
01:33Since when did the word, buddy, come to be?
01:38Keiji is still a buddy.
01:42Kyohei Shibata and Hiroshi Tachi.
01:45They're all buddies.
01:47I don't want people to think I'm from that generation.
01:49So, I'm a partner.
01:51So, a partner could be a person who has a strong desire to be a buddy.
01:55Is that so?
01:57Let's ask him about that.
02:01I'm Tomiyama. Nice to meet you.
02:03Nice to meet you, too.
02:05You don't look like a buddy.
02:09You don't look like a buddy.
02:11You look like you're going to do it alone.
02:12You look like you're going to do it alone.
02:14Tomiyama, what do you do?
02:16I'm a freelance writer and a researcher of manga.
02:23I'm studying manga at the university.
02:27I'm a professor of manga.
02:29Oh, you're a professor.
02:30I'm a professor.
02:33That's amazing.
02:34What do you teach?
02:36There are many students who want to write their own manga.
02:39Some students want to write novels and manga.
02:42And some students want to be a manga author.
02:45First of all, the way the story is told has a certain style to it.
02:50That's how I started.
02:54So, does that kind of manga lead to BUDDY?
02:58In the dictionary, BUDDY only means
03:00a friend or a partner.
03:02I see.
03:03That's the only meaning.
03:05But for people who like BUDDY,
03:08there's a special image of a man and a woman called bromance.
03:12Bromance.
03:13Bromance.
03:14It's different from BL, right?
03:16Yes.
03:17Wait a minute.
03:18Does the word BUDDY mean a detective?
03:23I think so.
03:25But if you go back to the old days,
03:28it starts with the story of two comedians doing strange things.
03:33Our generation?
03:36It's a long story.
03:38Our generation?
03:40From the 1930s to the 1960s,
03:44there were a lot of BUDDY movies in the American movie industry.
03:49Movies?
03:50At first, it was a movie.
03:52Laurel Hardy and Heaven.
03:54It was released in 1939.
03:57That's the origin of BUDDY.
03:59It's not a detective story, is it?
04:00No.
04:01It's more like a comedian.
04:03Two people doing strange things.
04:07Like a drama.
04:09That's what it means.
04:13Did you start to be called BUDDY from that time?
04:15It's a BUDDY movie.
04:17BUDDY movie.
04:18That's right.
04:20There's a mission that you have to accomplish.
04:23But it's a messy combination.
04:25There's always a lot of trouble.
04:28But I managed to do it.
04:30It didn't work out.
04:32The comedy duo does a lot of things to make the audience laugh.
04:38Originally...
04:39Why was it number two?
04:41Can't it be number three?
04:43That's right.
04:44There's a three-person comedy duo in Japan.
04:48It's okay to be number three, but it's easy to see number two.
04:51That's why it's called BUDDY.
04:53I think it's easy to make a scene.
04:56Make it a two-person team.
04:58Make it a messy combination.
05:00It's like the opposite of your personality.
05:04If it's number three, it's a little more technical to shoot.
05:09It's difficult.
05:10What kind of character will the third person be?
05:12You have to think about the character.
05:14Why was the image of the police being BUDDY planted in Japan?
05:20Isn't it the same all over the world?
05:22Is it different?
05:23That's right.
05:24Even overseas, after the comedy duo did the BUDDY movie,
05:29the story of the police coming out was a big hit.
05:35I think it's natural to think that it was imported into Japan.
05:40I see.
05:42Is there a type of BUDDY?
05:46Is it BUDDY for men and women?
05:48BUDDY for men and women is very popular now.
05:50BUDDY for men and women.
05:51Galileo.
05:52Of course.
05:54I think it's more fun not to fall in love.
05:58They don't have that sexy voice.
06:01Galileo is a little bit like that.
06:05It's a little bit like that.
06:07Tsutsumi Ikiko is really good at this.
06:09In the end, it's the same for the continuation, the spec, the trick.
06:14It's all BUDDY.
06:16It's a very controlled work so that you don't fall in love.
06:21Ikebukuro West Gate Park is the BUDDY of Makoto and King.
06:26Maybe.
06:27Tsutsumi Ikiko may have the strongest theory.
06:30In the book, there is a lot of explanation about the main BUDDY.
06:35That's right.
06:37It is well known as a BUDDY.
06:40It has a very interesting feature as a BUDDY.
06:45It's a strange car.
06:49I see.
06:51In the first part of BUDDY, the two protagonists are in a strange car.
06:56There is a principle of seasonality.
07:00Because they are in a strange car, people look at them first.
07:04In a sense, it's a prejudice from the world.
07:07It's not normal to have a strange car or an old car.
07:10But the two BUDDY basically don't care about it.
07:14They drive very leisurely.
07:18Therefore, it is more important for the BUDDY to follow the goal than the eyes of the world.
07:26It doesn't matter what people say.
07:29One of the tools that makes it very easy to understand is the sense of seasonality.
07:34That's why you were in a strange car unintentionally.
07:38You were in a car that is said to be the smallest in the world.
07:41You weren't in that car.
07:42I was alone.
07:43You were in that car.
07:44I was in that car and BUDDY.
07:45You were seen by others.
07:46I painted it gold.
07:48It doesn't matter.
07:49You were in a strange car unintentionally.
07:52If you were in that car, would you be in Back to the Future?
07:54That's right.
07:55I see.
07:56Why is it necessary to be a DeLorean?
07:59Certainly, they are BUDDY.
08:02That's right.
08:03If you dig it up, you can find a lot.
08:05Is there a work that Tomiyama is aiming for?
08:10It's disgusting to say that I'm aiming for it.
08:14There is a car that sells melon bread.
08:18Do you know that car?
08:19Is that the car of AYANO GO?
08:21Yes.
08:22That car.
08:23HOSHINO GEN.
08:24AYANO GO.
08:25TBS.
08:26M404.
08:29I wanted to say that at first.
08:31I wanted to say that more than my partner.
08:33I thought it was the most modern BUDDY.
08:37That car was very popular.
08:38It was very popular.
08:39There was a car like that in front of TBS.
08:43It was not a police car to patrol the city.
08:47It was a car for selling melon bread.
08:50I wondered why I had to ride such a car.
08:53There was a scene where I went around the city.
08:55For those who know the principle of BUDDY,
08:59I thought it was amazing.
09:03I'm a little embarrassed if I'm a writer.
09:06That's right.
09:07I'm a little embarrassed if I'm found by Tomiyama.
09:10That's right.
09:11That's right.
09:12That's interesting.
09:14I'm glad.
09:15There are also entertainers.
09:17Do entertainers come in?
09:19In this book, I try to see the relationship of the entertainer as a kind of BUDDY.
09:27The two people I mentioned in this book are NISHIKIGOE.
09:32But I...
09:33That's right.
09:35It's like a nursing home.
09:37I don't feel any romance.
09:41It's like an old man's romance.
09:43It's like a nursing home.
09:45That's right.
09:46It's like going to M-1.
09:48It's like TAKASHI taking a good look at MASANORI.
09:53It's like calling MASANORI by the name of SANZUKE.
09:55But MASANORI hit his head.
09:57SANZUKE.
10:00I think the two of them are BUDDY.
10:09I think so, too.
10:11I think so, too.
10:14Don't you think so, YUJI?
10:16I'm YUJI.
10:19The word BROMANCE is very popular now.
10:23For example, in the entertainment world, there is a lot of BROMANCE.
10:28From a girl's point of view.
10:31I've known them since I was in kindergarten and elementary school.
10:35So I think that's the case.
10:39But the two of them are dating from a young age.
10:44The two of them met after they were able to be themselves to some extent.
10:49They have a lot in common, but they are together.
10:53It's like a detective.
10:55That's right.
10:57It's the same with detectives.
10:59There are things that have to be solved.
11:02They have to work together.
11:05They can't be separated.
11:07They don't have to be involved in what they like or not.
11:09They have to be together.
11:11There is a mission in front of them.
11:13At the end, they have to trust each other and do things together.
11:19Then they are BUDDY.
11:21I read a lot about them on Wikipedia.
11:26They have a lot in common, but they are together.
11:29It's like a detective.
11:32It's like a detective.
11:34It's like this.
11:36It's like a detective.
11:38It's like a detective.
11:42I'm going to protect the voice of the world.
11:45It's like this.
11:47They are not childhood friends, but they are together.
11:50On the contrary, they are also close.
11:52In the case of the two of them, they are close.
11:54We were BUDDY.
11:57I think it's better to be a childhood friend like Downtown.
12:03I think it's better to be a childhood friend like Downtown.
12:06Of course, childhood friends and siblings have good BUDDY.
12:10But when I see someone who has become a BUDDY after becoming an adult, I feel good.
12:15When I see us, I feel good.
12:17I feel good.
12:19I feel good.
12:23What I don't understand is this.
12:25Is this a BUDDY?
12:28Oh, that's right.
12:30Walser P38.
12:33Dimension and Magnum 44 are completely BUDDY.
12:37And Zantetsuken.
12:39Goemon and Zantetsuken are also BUDDY.
12:41I wrote in the book that Goemon, who had stolen Zantetsuken, was about to die.
12:49It's a very depressing story.
12:51If it's just a BUDDY, you can make it again or buy it again.
12:55But Goemon is about to die.
12:57The reason is that Goemon has a sense of companionship that can be called a BUDDY.
13:04I thought it would be interesting to read it like that.
13:09Is this a BUDDY in a rival relationship?
13:12Yes.
13:13There is a type called a rival BUDDY.
13:17Of course, he is a rival, so he basically despises his opponent.
13:22But he observes his opponent in great detail.
13:27It's like Rukawa and Sakura.
13:29That's right.
13:32He despises and observes his opponent, so he knows him better than anyone else.
13:39He may think it's a bad relationship, but it's a BUDDY.
13:47I see.
13:48Is Battery a BUDDY?
13:52I think so.
13:54What about Otani and Ippei?
13:57I think it's a BUDDY who is too sad about it.
14:00Did you think it was a BUDDY until it happened?
14:03I thought so.
14:04Because of Ippei, the relationship with his BUDDY was resolved and he became alone.
14:10I thought he would be lonely and sad, but he had a DECO-PIN.
14:15It's not Mamiko, it's a DECO-PIN.
14:18It's a marriage.
14:21What about Puffy?
14:25It appears in the book.
14:27Asagaya and Puffy are almost the same.
14:29Asagaya and Puffy...
14:30That's strange.
14:32That's a very special BUDDY.
14:34They are not sisters.
14:36I have two favorite female BUDDIES.
14:40Female BUDDIES.
14:41I met Puffy and Asagaya at work.
14:45But they get along very well.
14:47Puffy doesn't mind sitting next to each other when moving.
14:53The more I hear such an episode, the more confused Koushi is in a good way.
14:57I think it's a very nice female BUDDY.
15:01What about Kano sisters?
15:03I feel like Mika is doing her best.
15:06But in the sense that Mika is doing Kyoko's selfishness,
15:13If we can find out that they are leaning on each other a little more,
15:19I think it's a BUDDY.
15:23I have the image that Kyoko is the only one with a man.
15:26As a female musician, Puffy is the best BUDDY.
15:31What about men?
15:32Recently, I've been asked,
15:34How about Beez?
15:37I think they are BUDDIES.
15:39But I can't see the relationship.
15:41That's right.
15:42I want a little more information.
15:45They sing with their backs together.
15:48Sometimes they sing with their backs together.
15:51When I think about it, I can see their backs together.
15:54I think that's one of the BUDDIES.
15:56That's right.
15:57It's easy to imagine.
15:58They have weaknesses, but they have someone to lean on, so it's okay.
16:05In that case, the best female BUDDY is High Heel.
16:08It's the first time I've heard of it.
16:10It's the first time I've heard of High Heel.
16:17What about Doraemon and Nobita?
16:20They are close to BUDDIES, but Doraemon is too helpful.
16:25I don't know about that.
16:27When the movie is over, I feel more BUDDIES.
16:32Every week?
16:33I feel more BUDDIES.
16:36It's about adjusting the BUDDIES.
16:40If it's a short program that I watch every week,
16:43I make the characters easy to understand.
16:46Nobita is always in trouble.
16:48Doraemon helps Nobita.
16:50It's very easy to understand.
16:52Nobita is reliable when the movie is over.
16:54That's right.
16:55He's good at it.
16:56It's a little more complicated.
16:58They need each other.
17:00That's how they make the story.
17:02Even if you make a manga, you have to study BUDDIES.
17:07Do you think it's more interesting and more flavorful?
17:12Of course, I think a lot of people think so.
17:15But there are a lot of geniuses.
17:17I think there are a lot of people who don't think about BUDDIES.
17:23You don't draw BUDDIES as a goal.
17:26But it's still a BUDDY relationship.
17:29Sometimes I try to draw BUDDIES from the beginning.
17:32While I'm drawing BUDDIES,
17:34I'm trying to draw friendship and human relationships.
17:36While I'm drawing BUDDIES, I'm becoming like BUDDIES.
17:38We feel like we're not BUDDIES.
17:42We feel like we've finally become BUDDIES.
17:47The role of the reader is also important.
17:52It's not like, thank you for giving me BUDDIES.
17:55I don't think I'm making it as a BUDDY.
17:58But I think I can see it as a BUDDY.
18:00I think that's what I'm working on.
18:02But the person who makes it says,
18:04As a result, BUDDIES are easier to make.
18:08The person who receives it says,
18:10As a result, BUDDIES are easier to see.
18:12It's not like Musashi and Kojiro.
18:14Well, well, well.
18:16I often talk about it in my novel creation class.
18:19It's a BUDDY with a strong contrast.
18:24I think it's a personality that exists in one person.
18:30Sometimes I think like a person in A.
18:32Sometimes I think like a person in B.
18:34If there is light, there is shadow.
18:36I think there is a complexity in one person.
18:39When you make it into a story,
18:41Rather than putting out a complicated person,
18:43If you make it easy to understand and divide personalities into two,
18:47It works really well as a story.
18:50Some people may have a preference.
18:54But what the two of you are thinking,
18:56I think there's something that overlaps with each other.
19:00I think there's a place where you can think.
19:04What do you think is the ultimate BUDDY?
19:07I don't know.
19:09But I like Usono and Nakajima.
19:12That's where you're going.
19:14That's right.
19:16Why is that?
19:17It's the same.
19:19Let's play baseball.
19:21Most of the time, Nakajima invites me.
19:24When I look up the circumstances of Nakajima's family,
19:29I want to go to Isono's house to play baseball.
19:31But I have an examiner at home.
19:35What are you talking about?
19:38It's probably hard to hang out at his house.
19:42That's why you're going to play baseball.
19:45Basically, I don't refuse bonito.
19:49I go to play while being scolded by my sister.
19:52I don't just want to play baseball.
19:55I think so.
19:57It's a way of saying baseball with the circumstances of Nakajima.
20:02No one looks at it like that.
20:08What do you want to tell us in this book?
20:11If you look at the works you've seen so far from a BUDDY's point of view,
20:17or when you look at your close relationships,
20:20don't just look at them as siblings or husband and wife.
20:23If you look at them as a BUDDY's point of view,
20:26don't you think life is fun?
20:28When I saw the New Year's rice cake, I thought,
20:30Oh, that's a good BUDDY.
20:32That's definitely a BUDDY.
20:34That's a life-saving BUDDY.
20:36Cool Poco is a good BUDDY.
20:43I wanted to ask you this.
20:45Do you want to be a SEFREA BUDDY?
20:49This is not a relationship between lovers.
20:52But there's something like a partner, right?
20:54Sensei, I think you're going to have a new religion again.
20:57I'm going to go home and look into this.
21:00Hey, you're old-fashioned.
21:02I've got my back to you.
21:05Maybe there is.
21:08It's hard to be a researcher.
21:11What do you think?
21:13I'm going to write a good name for this guy.
21:16That's a comment as a BUDDY.
21:19Why are you suddenly in the same position?
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