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00:00Today's generation is the three popular writers who gathered in Honno-machi, Jinbo-cho.
00:06Oh, the camera's rolling.
00:07I see.
00:08When was the last time we met? About a month ago?
00:11That was the last time we met at the end of the year.
00:13Yeah, at the end of the year.
00:15That was at the end of the year.
00:16That was at the end of the year, in December.
00:18It was a little over a month after I left Naoki-sho.
00:23At that time...
00:23A year and a month?
00:25A year and a month.
00:26Oh, that long.
00:27It was in January.
00:28We got together and asked if we could do a charity novel, and that's how it started.
00:33You guys did a good job.
00:36The three of them planned a charity novel to support the affected areas of the Noto Peninsula.
00:42They published Ae-no-Gatari, a short story by ten popular writers, in January of this year.
00:47It's really good. It's a hit as a thing.
00:50Mr. Shigeaki Kato has demonstrated his talent as a writer while working in the news.
00:57He's also been nominated for the Naoki Award twice, and he's got a knack for it.
01:04He's also been active as an actor,
01:06and has starred in the main lead, Edmond, the man who wrote Cyrano de Bergerac.
01:12Mr. Kato, the writer, plays Edmond, a playwright who fell into a slump and couldn't write.
01:19I was already saying that I was going to win the Naoki Award.
01:22Mr. Shogo Imamura is a writer of historical novels and periodicals.
01:27He won the Naoki Award for his work on The Lord of the Rings.
01:32He's currently active in many fields, such as making war gods into dramas,
01:36and running a bookstore in Sangen.
01:42To be honest, I have nothing more to say about winning the award.
01:46Mr. Satoshi Ogawa made his debut as an SF novelist during his time at Tokyo University.
01:52He won the Naoki Award for his work on The Lord of the Rings.
01:56He's been in the spotlight for his work on various genres, such as SF, history, and mystery.
02:03Mr. Imamura and I originally had a mutual friend.
02:08I heard on the radio that Shige's dad was a fan of mine.
02:13So I asked him out for a meal, and he said yes.
02:16That's how it was.
02:17When Mr. Sato says something interesting on the radio,
02:20a lot of fans report it, so it immediately gets into the ears of the editors.
02:25It's okay to say you like something you like.
02:29When I made my debut, to be honest, I don't remember much,
02:34but I was told that I was an idol.
02:36I was told a lot.
02:37From a friend, well, I'm not a friend anymore,
02:41but I guess I wanted to be a novelist.
02:45I was told that a guy like me would never write a book.
02:49I was told that the literature world was over.
02:51There are people like that.
02:53I told him to read it and give me advice, but he said it was worthless.
02:59I was really pissed off.
03:00It was like a backdoor entrance.
03:02I was close to entering the backdoor.
03:04I felt sorry for him all the time, so I thought I had to continue.
03:10Until I joined this industry,
03:13I thought Mr. Sato was a piece of shit.
03:17Are you okay now?
03:19Now that I'm in,
03:20there's only one writer who has the potential to increase the number of readers.
03:25It's only Mr. Sato.
03:27I might have thought he was a piece of shit,
03:30but if you actually read it, you can tell that he was reading a book.
03:34You can tell, right?
03:36If you say he's a piece of shit, he's a piece of shit.
03:39I think he's a piece of shit.
03:41I can tell you don't want to read it.
03:42I can tell you don't want to read it.
03:44I don't allow all the talented writers.
03:49Some people might think I'm a piece of shit.
03:51I think you're a piece of shit, too.
03:53The reason I think you're a piece of shit is because you don't want to quit.
03:57I can tell.
03:58Even though you only published one book,
04:01you wanted to put a book in your coffin.
04:06I can tell.
04:38Hello, hello
04:40I don't know why you say goodbye
04:43I say hello
04:45You don't really talk about novels, do you?
04:47I don't really talk about novels, do I?
04:50First of all, why did you start writing?
04:53There's more than one reason.
04:55To put it simply,
04:57writers are cool, aren't they?
05:00Are they cool?
05:01No, I mean...
05:02The news is cooler, right?
05:04No, no, no.
05:05It's like a high school student.
05:08No, no, no.
05:09Novelists were really cool.
05:12Oh, really?
05:13They were like a thug.
05:14I don't think so.
05:16I've never thought of that.
05:17I think I was in that generation.
05:20There was Sekachu.
05:21And there were two young actors.
05:24Mr. Kanagawa and Mr. Watanabe.
05:26It was sensational for a young person to become a novelist.
05:30It looks intellectual, doesn't it?
05:32It's like an idol.
05:33How should I put it?
05:35It's like a look.
05:37It's like a look.
05:39It's like a look.
05:41It's not a rebellious look.
05:43It's like a look.
05:45It's like a look.
05:48I think it's because I've been praised a lot for my superficiality.
05:54I think it's because I've been praised a lot for my superficiality.
05:56That's a luxury.
05:58I'm getting angry.
06:02I was a serious person at the time.
06:05I don't think Mr. Imamura is the most intellectual type of these three.
06:10You say that, don't you?
06:11You said something like a vulgar pattern.
06:13Mr. Imamura is an active person.
06:16I've never seen anyone who's more active than me.
06:21I've never seen anyone who's more active than me.
06:23That's true.
06:25He's not in this genre.
06:26He also wrote a novel.
06:28He saved a novel that was about to collapse.
06:31He didn't do it because he was asked to do it.
06:33He did it on his own.
06:37I used to dance until I was 30 years old.
06:41I used to run a family business.
06:43So I think I was tied up a lot.
06:47I really want to act.
06:49I've always wanted people to see what I've made.
06:53I've always wanted people to see what I've made.
06:55I was 30 years old.
06:57I happened to be reading a lot of books.
06:59I thought the best way to express myself was through a novel.
07:04Most people don't read books.
07:06That's true.
07:08I used to read Shibari Otaro on the train in blonde.
07:11I was a naughty boy.
07:13I had piercings and my beard grew from high school.
07:15But you really liked novels.
07:17I like novels.
07:19I have a strange hero mind.
07:21I want to save someone because I've noticed it.
07:25You want to see a jump, don't you?
07:28You told your students to make their dreams come true.
07:32You said, I'll make it come true, so I'll get a Nobel Prize.
07:34I said, you're running away from your dream.
07:36You said, I'm running away from my dream.
07:38You said, you're running away from your dream.
07:40You said, you can't make your dreams come true.
07:42That's why I was told.
07:44I don't think there are many people like that.
07:46Novelists don't say their dreams come true.
07:48That's true.
07:50I feel like I'm being dissed a lot.
07:52But I'm glad I found my own style.
07:56You studied a lot in your free time.
07:58There were many things I don't want to do.
08:00I woke up early every morning.
08:02I took a full-staff train.
08:04I worked as a teacher at a university.
08:06I had to do a lot of things that I didn't want to do.
08:08I had to run an organization at a university.
08:10I became a novelist because of the abolition.
08:12You became a novelist.
08:14I read novels.
08:16I thought it would be better to do this.
08:18I thought it would be better to do this.
08:20I thought it would be better to do this.
08:22I thought it would be better to do this.
08:24I've always thought that I should do this, or that this part is definitely wrong.
08:29I thought that if I did that, I could do it.
08:32Isn't it really difficult to decide what kind of work you want to make?
08:35I thought about how to make a debut and how to survive as a writer.
08:41That's a strategy, isn't it?
08:42In order not to do what you don't want to do, you have to make an effort.
08:45You have to analyze it.
08:46Logically.
08:47Hayakawa Shobo's S.A.F. rookie book had a 10-year or 20-year suspension period.
08:54So there were no young writers in S.A.F.
08:58There were no writers who made their debut during that time.
09:00I see.
09:01There were only about 400 entries.
09:03If there were five people in the final selection, it would be one-eighth of the book.
09:06I knew that it was important to be a book.
09:08In order to connect to the next job.
09:10I see.
09:12In terms of survival, S.A.F. and Jidai,
09:15In the current industry, there are few rivals.
09:19It's tough, so it's strong. It's easy to survive.
09:22That's good.
09:24I think it's Shura's style.
09:26On the other hand, you write what you like.
09:29That's right.
09:30Compared to S.A.F. and history, news is more overwhelming.
09:34That's right.
09:35It's tough.
09:36That's right.
09:37You look like you're going to say something, but you have a barrier called news.
09:42That's true.
09:43The fun of being in a group.
09:45The difficulty of being in a group.
09:47I make things on my own.
09:49The fun and the hard part of being alone.
09:52In a good way, both are realistic.
09:54First of all, the balance of the mind is good.
09:56Even if something happens.
09:58Even if either of them goes wrong.
10:00I think so.
10:01It's a relief.
10:03It's a relief.
10:04That's what I thought.
10:05I thought that idols had a clear expiration date.
10:08It's like a reversal of what you can't have.
10:10I remember thinking it was Naoki Shota's manuscript.
10:17I've never seen anyone become a writer.
10:20I've never seen anyone become a novelist.
10:22There are various people.
10:24There are writers and others.
10:26I have to read novels.
10:28You should read that.
10:30If you're going to do it, don't read books.
10:33This is my opinion.
10:35There aren't many people who don't have a boring story.
10:40The job of a novelist is to tell an interesting story to people you don't know.
10:47Speaking and writing are similar.
10:49The order and composition.
10:51There are many novelists who don't like people.
10:53There are many people in the world who have a really boring story.
10:59There are no people who don't know what they're talking about.
11:01Everyone will tell you.
11:05There are some editors who have a really boring story.
11:08There are people who have a very long story.
11:11There are people who have a long story.
11:13Most people have a long story.
11:16It's similar.
11:18Novels and personalities.
11:20We have a long story.
11:24Mr. Imamura and Mr. Ogawa won the Naoki Award.
11:29Mr. Kato's work has been nominated twice.
11:33What does Naoki Award mean to the writer?
11:38Mr. Imamura said he wanted it.
11:42I had to get it.
11:44It's not about money or honor.
11:46It's like a baseball boy wants a Golden Glove Award.
11:50It's an award that favorite players have.
11:52When I won the Naoki Award and wrote a manuscript,
11:56I remembered that I was writing a manuscript for Naoki Award.
12:01You must have been very excited.
12:04Even now, when I take a bath,
12:06I remember that I won the Naoki Award.
12:10I think you're having the most fun.
12:13You want to win the Naoki Award, don't you?
12:18I feel like I have to take a bath.
12:23It's like the pressure around me.
12:25Let's have fun.
12:27It's fun to take a bath.
12:29It's fun to take a bath.
12:31I remember the bath I took.
12:33I remember the bath I took.
12:35I remember the bath I took.
12:37That's funny.
12:39I have to take a bath.
12:42I remember the bath I took.
12:44I have to take a bath.
12:46I have to take a bath.
12:48I think the second time is the most difficult.
12:50I took it the second time.
12:52I took it the second time.
12:54It was the same magazine as Naoki Award.
12:56It was the same magazine as Naoki Award.
12:58At that time,
13:00I was excited to win the Naoki Award.
13:02I was excited to win the Naoki Award.
13:04I'm not.
13:06I'm not.
13:08You're talking to yourself.
13:10I'm not.
13:12I'm not.
13:14I'm not.
13:16I'm not.
13:18I'm not.
13:20I'm not.
13:22I'm not.
13:24I'm not.
13:26I'm not.
13:28I'm not.
13:30I'm not.
13:32I'm not.
13:34I'm not.
13:36I'm not.
13:38I don't care if it's lame or not.
13:42Yeah, and I don't even remember what I was able to do.
13:46That's true.
13:47I think it's better to say it like that.
13:52The generation above us, if we won the Naoki Award, our lives would be safe.
13:58But our generation, if we didn't win the Naoki Award,
14:03we would be in the middle of a time where we couldn't stand on the starting line as writers.
14:08We would be in the middle.
14:10I think the book sales were about 1 in 3 at the time of the Naoki Award.
14:13Even if it's a book award?
14:15Even if it's a book award, it's a little less recently.
14:18There aren't many writers who sell 100,000 copies constantly in Japan.
14:22Mr. Higashino.
14:24If I give you a name...
14:25Mr. Ikeido?
14:26Mr. Murakami Haruki.
14:27Ah, yes, Mr. Murakami Haruki.
14:29But are you aware of your age?
14:33Are they all rough?
14:35I'm in the middle of my career.
14:37I'm sure your work will change.
14:40I think it will change.
14:42I've already decided.
14:43I think I need to adjust my physical strength.
14:47The balance of this triangle is the ten years of Golden Era.
14:51I'm going to focus on the theme of the titans of this industry called Taro Shibare.
14:56Can I say that first?
14:58I'm going to focus on Ryoma.
15:00I'm going to try to focus on the Shinsengumi.
15:03Taro Shibare is a threat to this genre.
15:07If you do a time attack on Mario Kart, you'll get a record-breaking ghost.
15:14It's like fighting against the ghost of Taro Shibare.
15:17I don't think it's just this genre.
15:20The ghost of this genre is really ahead of Japan.
15:24It's been about 30 years.
15:26It's still the most popular.
15:29It's still in circulation.
15:31Not many people have tried to overcome the wall.
15:36I'm looking forward to the next generation.
15:43I think we need a corpse that can challenge and fall.
15:46I think there's an SF ghost.
15:48Shinichi Hoshi has released all the patterns.
15:51I know.
15:53Tsutsuiya Sutaka has released all the patterns he hasn't released.
15:57The SF titans of that era
16:01didn't have the ability to come up with ideas.
16:04Oda Nobunaga didn't have the ability to come up with ideas first.
16:07Ideas were released first.
16:11Has it changed in your 40s?
16:13The spec of the brain has been decreasing every year.
16:16I've been feeling it since the late 20s.
16:20It's the same as shogi players.
16:23The peak of the spec of the brain is around 20 years old.
16:28But the peak as a shogi player comes after that.
16:31It's because of the technology and experience after that.
16:36In general, people don't look at soccer like that.
16:39People don't think it's going to peak like a shogi player or a sports player.
16:44I feel it when I actually play it.
16:46I feel the peak is coming somewhere.
16:48One of the reasons I wanted to be a novelist in my 20s
16:53is that idols have a clear expiration date.
16:59I see.
17:01I wanted to have a long expiration date.
17:05You mean your second career?
17:07I was thinking about my second career.
17:09It's okay to say it at the same time.
17:11I thought I could enjoy the present more if I had a second career.
17:14But I thought the peak was far away.
17:16I thought the peak was around 20 years old.
17:19But I thought there were a lot of things I could only write now.
17:23Actually, you had a hard time in your second career.
17:27Yes, I had a hard time many times.
17:32Speaking of the peak,
17:34when I see Mr. Kitagata,
17:36I want to step on the gas pedal one more time.
17:39I don't know because there are so many seniors.
17:42I want to be like that.
17:45I'm sure there's a time when you're doing your best.
17:51You're the one who spends the most money when you make your debut.
17:54That's right.
17:56It's not because we're slowing down.
17:58It's because other jobs are increasing.
18:00Do you have a day off?
18:02No, I don't.
18:04I have a lot of days off.
18:06There are days when I didn't do anything as a result.
18:08I don't have a day off from the beginning.
18:12I play the most.
18:14I also fish.
18:16I recently started playing mahjong.
18:18Let's do it.
18:20I'm really good at it.
18:22Let's do it.
18:24I'm really good at it.
18:26I also play mahjong a lot.
18:28Let's do it.
18:30I'm not like you two at all.
18:32I'll get a little better.
18:34Can you do it normally?
18:36I can reduce the score by half.
18:38If you're going to do it, I want you to do it seriously.
18:40I want to do it seriously.
18:42My skills are getting worse.
18:44The one thing I can remember in my life...
18:46The one thing I can remember in my life...
18:48The one thing I can remember in my life is mahjong.
18:50I didn't believe in the game.
18:52I didn't believe in the game.
18:54I didn't believe in the game.
18:56I thought there was a hint.
18:58I thought there was a hint.
19:00Is there any more of that?
19:02I'm really good at playing games.
19:04There is no.
19:06I play games on TV.
19:08Wow, that's good.
19:10When do you have fun?
19:12You're so pitiful.
19:15What do you write novels for?
19:20I'm so confused now.
19:23I'm so sure now.
19:26I only get 10% of my income from my novels.
19:33So it's not for money.
19:35But it's not for hobbies or what you like?
19:39I think it's my biggest hobby to do something with everyone.
19:44So you write novels to have fun.
19:47And you can have fun because you write novels.
19:50Yes, yes.
19:51It's not self-dissatisfaction.
19:53It's loneliness.
19:54Maybe it's like, please take care of me.
19:57I like it when I'm thinking.
19:59When I'm thinking about what to talk about next.
20:02If you have time.
20:05I have to do it anyway.
20:07It's hard to think within the limit of 24 hours.
20:11But there is joy when you can break through the impossible.
20:15Yes, there is.
20:17Mr. Kato's new book, MIYAKISU SYMPHONY.
20:21It's a story about various forms of love, including family, friends, and lovers.
20:26It took seven years to complete.
20:30I don't know what the story is about this time.
20:32Let's read it in a neutral way.
20:34It's a story about love.
20:36It's a little embarrassing to explain.
20:38It's a story about love.
20:39It's a story about various relationships between people.
20:42Mr. Kato, you can write various profiles with this book.
20:47That's why you can write a novel later on.
20:50You can write a novel before you get used to it.
20:53It's been seven and a half years since I started.
20:58I've been thinking about what a novel is.
21:02Why are we writing a novel?
21:07Isn't it okay to write a manga?
21:09There are a lot of good things in manga.
21:11When I was choosing a job, I thought of being a cartoonist.
21:16Oh, I see.
21:18In other words, a job where you can live alone.
21:22I couldn't draw a picture, so I threw away the possibility.
21:27There are things that have been born.
21:30I can only write novels.
21:37I think there are more people who write novels than people who read them.
21:40I think you should read it before you write it.
21:43Maybe it's hip-hop or rap.
21:46It's like a reversal of what you don't have.
21:50You don't have to be good at playing an instrument.
21:53I think it's similar to being sold out if it sells well.
21:59It's like going to a selling point.
22:02It's like going to a pop scene.
22:04It's like being sold out by people who are doing it seriously in the basement.
22:11If you're told you're an entertainment writer, you'll definitely be like that.
22:15Doesn't writing a novel get better to some extent?
22:18But isn't it the same with manga?
22:20If you practice, your skills will improve.
22:24It's like writing a novel.
22:28You have to do this because it's like this.
22:30It's like assembling.
22:32I don't think people in the world will notice our improvement.
22:39I'm sure it's good that people don't notice.
22:42I don't know what this sentence is.
22:44I don't know what you're saying.
22:47I think the problem with technology is how close you can get to what you want to express and what you read.
22:55It's rude to talk about growth rate, but it's a high growth rate.
23:00I want people to think I'm good at it.
23:05Alternate was about getting rid of it and making it fun.
23:13It became a hot topic, so I decided to write a novel in my 20s.
23:21In my case, I was told that I was cheeky.
23:24I was told that writing a novel for young people is good for you.
23:28I wanted to write a novel.
23:31I want people to think I'm good at it.
23:33It's the worst.
23:35How do you get rid of it?
23:37I don't have confidence.
23:40It doesn't matter what genre you write.
23:42That's right.
23:44It's a complex.
23:46I have to make people think I'm good at it.
23:50It's like you made your debut with a cassette.
23:53I finally got rid of it and started writing novels.
23:56I've been reading a lot lately.
23:59I'll read it, too.
24:01I'll read it with you.
24:03I'll read it with you.
24:05I'll read it with you.
24:07I'll read it with you.
24:09Thank you for the compliment.
24:11You should have written a novel.
24:13I had a great day.
24:15It sounds fun.
24:17You're a literary gamer.
24:22I should have brought it with me.
24:23I was so quiet that no one could see me.
24:26If Sujino found out about this, I'd feel so ashamed.