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00:00I was really surprised by the image of a bright writer on TV, but I thought the first-person
00:06reader list was obviously dark.
00:09How many books do you read a year?
00:12Well, if I read a lot, I think I can read about 365 books.
00:16What advice do you have for people who are having trouble reading books?
00:21I think it's a good idea to have a little time to shut down.
00:27There are about 20,000 books I've bought, so I can't read all of them.
00:36Akira Ikegami's Special Edition of 30 People I Want to Talk To
00:41The person I want to talk to right now is this person.
00:45She is Kie's literary critic, Kaho Miyake.
00:48Nice to meet you.
00:49Nice to meet you.
00:51Kie's Literary Critic
00:57Miyake grew up in Kochi Prefecture.
00:59After graduating from Kyoto University's Faculty of Literature,
01:01she went on to study at Kyoto University's Graduate School.
01:03While studying Manyoshu at the Graduate School,
01:06she worked as a manager at a bookstore in Kyoto.
01:10After that, she got a job as a recruiter,
01:12but she left the company a few years later.
01:14The reason she left the company was that she ran out of time to read books.
01:17She challenged herself to read a book,
01:19but she couldn't read it because she was working.
01:24Miyake claims that she is a literary geek.
01:28Let's hear what she has to say.
01:31Nice to meet you, Kie.
01:32Nice to meet you, too.
01:33Why can't you read a book because you're working?
01:36It really touched the hearts of people who are working.
01:41That's right.
01:42I was surprised that there were so many people
01:46who thought they couldn't read a book because they were working.
01:50That's why I got involved.
01:53I'm sorry to have you involved.
01:56No, no.
01:57I'm glad to hear that.
01:58The title of the book is often decided by the editor's suggestion
02:01and consultation with the author, right?
02:03How was it this time?
02:04This time, I thought about the title and title of the book myself.
02:09The title of the book is
02:12Why can't you read a book because you're working.
02:15I asked the editor to come up with a plan
02:18to talk about the story of a worker and a reader.
02:20Is that so?
02:21Yes.
02:25What I want to ask Miyake is
02:27How fast do you read a book?
02:29And why can't you read a book because you're working?
02:33How do you see the situation where you're leaving the book?
02:36How do you read a book while working?
02:39I'd like to ask you these questions.
02:41By the way, why did you like books in the first place?
02:45Well, I've always liked writing since I was a kid.
02:51I used to read a lot of books and manga.
02:55I went to the Department of Literature at university
02:57and studied Manyoshu.
02:59I learned literature research and literary criticism there.
03:04That's how I got to read more.
03:07And while I was thinking,
03:09there's an interesting author like this,
03:11I became an adult.
03:13I feel like I'm a literature girl.
03:17What I really liked when I was a kid was
03:19a book called Claudia's Secret,
03:21written by a man named Cannings Burke.
03:25It's from the Iwanami Shonen Bunko.
03:28It's a story about an American sister and brother
03:31who go to the Metropolitan Museum of Art.
03:34It's a great story.
03:36It's a story about a sister who's a little mean
03:42and a little dirty,
03:44but she has a very smart sister's true feelings.
03:50In Japanese literature,
03:52the main character is more of a gentleman.
03:55I had the image that there were a lot of good girls,
03:57so I thought,
03:58wow, there's a story like this.
04:00I thought it was pretty much the same as my true feelings.
04:03I got that feeling from Japanese literature.
04:06I remember reading it when I was little
04:09and being like, wow, there's a novel like this.
04:13Did you have a little bit of a mean side to you?
04:16Yes, a lot.
04:18Did you read that book and get saved?
04:20Yes, I did.
04:21At the time, I had a bit of a language barrier.
04:26But since I was a kid, I didn't know a lot of words,
04:30so I didn't really know what I was thinking.
04:35But reading the book, I felt like I was given an emotional outline.
04:40You just said some wonderful words,
04:42but you didn't know the language,
04:44so you had a language barrier.
04:46By reading the book,
04:48you got more language and vocabulary.
04:51In the end, by reading the book,
04:54you can be more aware of your feelings.
05:01That's the role of the book.
05:03Yes, that's right.
05:05If you don't know the language,
05:07you don't know what your feelings are.
05:11You don't know how to express your feelings.
05:14You don't know what you're thinking about society.
05:17When I hear those words,
05:19I feel so refreshed.
05:22Even so,
05:24you went to the Literature Department,
05:26and then you got a job.
05:28Yes, I was a recruit.
05:30Did you quit in two years?
05:32No, in three and a half years.
05:34Because you couldn't read the book?
05:37Yes.
05:39It costs money to buy a book,
05:44so you got a job to buy a book.
05:48You got a little money,
05:50but you didn't have time to read the book.
05:53You wanted more time to read the book,
05:56so you said you would quit.
05:59I understand how you feel.
06:01Really?
06:02I was a poor student,
06:04so I couldn't buy a book,
06:06but I thought I could become an adult
06:08if I became a member of society.
06:11Do you know that the price of books
06:13in the Iwanami Literature Department
06:15was displayed in stars?
06:17Stars? I didn't know that.
06:19In the Iwanami Literature Department,
06:21one star is 50 yen,
06:23two stars are 100 yen,
06:25and three stars are 150 yen.
06:27That's a lot of money.
06:29That's a lot of money.
06:31It's like Michelangelo.
06:33It's Michelangelo now.
06:35Anyway, I decided to read all the books
06:37with one star.
06:39I went to the library
06:41and found a book about Chopin and Havel.
06:44When I was reading the book,
06:46it said something that I couldn't understand.
06:49I read the book,
06:51and I was shocked to find
06:53that my mind was just
06:55a playground for other people's ideas.
06:58I totally understand.
07:00I wrote a book called
07:02The Life of Meicha 50
07:04when I was a university student.
07:06It was a book with a book title,
07:08and I was working as a writer.
07:10In that book,
07:12it's often said that
07:14it's a book that enriches
07:16your life,
07:18but personally,
07:20I think that a good book
07:22is a book that
07:24makes your life better.
07:26I think that a good book
07:28is a book that
07:30fights between
07:32the value of the writer
07:34and the value of the book.
07:36I think that a good book
07:38is a book that
07:40fights between
07:42the value of the writer
07:44and the value of the book.
07:50That's amazing.
07:52When you read a book,
07:54you usually think that
07:56it's a good book,
07:58but when you read it,
08:00you think that
08:02it's a bad book.
08:04I like reading books
08:06that make me think that
08:08it's a good book.
08:10How many books do you read a year?
08:16When I read a lot of books,
08:18I read about 365 books.
08:20I read about one book a day.
08:22I have a question for you.
08:24When you come across
08:26a boring book,
08:28do you feel like
08:30you have to read it
08:32until the end?
08:34Do you feel like
08:36it's a waste of time?
08:38How do you feel about that?
08:40I think it's important
08:42to read the book
08:44until the end
08:46and think about it.
08:48It's the same as
08:50talking to people
08:52you don't like.
08:54Even if you don't like
08:56the book,
08:58you can read it
09:00until the end.
09:02But I think it's important
09:04to recognize that
09:06even if it's not interesting,
09:08it's not interesting.
09:10I see.
09:12Don't you analyze
09:14why this book
09:16is boring?
09:18Sometimes I don't know
09:20why it's boring.
09:22Sometimes I don't know
09:24why it's boring.
09:26Sometimes I don't know
09:28why it's boring.
09:30Sometimes I don't know
09:32why it's boring.
09:34The secret to creating
09:36a best-selling book.
09:38We will continue
09:40with Teletubbies.
09:42The next topic is...
09:46When you work hard,
09:48for example,
09:50you have to change your way of working.
09:52When you go home,
09:54if you don't have the energy
09:56to do something,
09:58it's meaningless.
10:00You have to work hard
10:02and make a living.
10:04But after that,
10:06you have to live a rich life.
10:08I think Japan should
10:10think about it more.
10:12Even if you go home early,
10:14you can watch TikTok
10:16and realize that
10:18you've been doing this
10:20for two hours.
10:22Yes.
10:24I understand that.
10:26It's strange.
10:28When you're tired,
10:30you have the energy to
10:32look at your smartphone.
10:34But when you read a book,
10:36you have to be active.
10:38When you watch interesting
10:40videos on your smartphone,
10:42you just look at it.
10:44Is that the difference?
10:46Yes.
10:48I think the difference
10:50between smartphone information
10:52and books is
10:54whether there is noise
10:56or not.
10:58For me,
11:00smartphone information
11:02is information
11:04that I want to access.
11:06For example,
11:08SNS of people I follow,
11:10or what I recommend
11:12on TikTok.
11:14When I read a book,
11:16it teaches me
11:18what I want to know
11:20and what I want to do.
11:22For example,
11:24when someone asks me
11:26why I can't read a book
11:28when I'm working,
11:30I'm often told that
11:32it's because
11:34the history of the Meiji era
11:36has begun.
11:38I think that's one
11:40of the noise.
11:42It's interesting
11:44when you read a book
11:46about something
11:48that you can't predict.
11:50It's hard to accept that.
11:52I think so.
11:58When I went to the library
12:00when I was a university student,
12:02I saw a lot of books.
12:04There was a story
12:06about how scary it was.
12:08What does that mean?
12:10That's right.
12:12The teacher said
12:14there are so many books
12:16that I don't know
12:18how to read them all.
12:20I understood what he meant.
12:22I'm happy that
12:24there are so many books
12:26that I haven't read.
12:28On the other hand,
12:30I was wondering
12:32how to read
12:34all the books
12:36that I can't read
12:38even if it takes my whole life.
12:40In my case,
12:42there were about 20,000 books
12:44that I couldn't read
12:46even if I bought them.
12:48I really wanted to ask you
12:50how you read
12:52so many books.
13:00When I was working
13:02at NHK,
13:04I read books
13:06on the train
13:08because I could live
13:10a regular life
13:12and it takes about
13:14two and a half hours
13:16to go and come back.
13:18I read one new book
13:20every day.
13:22When I became free,
13:24I thought
13:26I could read a lot of books.
13:28However,
13:30I couldn't read them
13:32when I had more TV work.
13:34Now, I teach at two universities
13:36in Nagoya.
13:38I have to go to Nagoya
13:40to read a book.
13:42I can read a book
13:44on the bullet train.
13:46Do you go to Nagoya for that?
13:48I feel sorry for the students
13:50who go to two universities in Nagoya.
13:52You go to Nagoya to read a book.
13:54I have to make time
13:56to read a book.
13:58In addition,
14:00Miyake teaches
14:02how to read a book
14:04while working.
14:06Next, let's talk about
14:08Teletubbies.
14:10How many bookstores
14:12do you go to?
14:14I go to one or two
14:16every day.
14:18When I was at NHK,
14:20I went to three bookstores
14:22every day.
14:24That's amazing.
14:26I see.
14:28When I read a book every day,
14:30I know what's in it.
14:32I see.
14:34When I read a book every day,
14:36I know what's in it.
14:38Sometimes,
14:40when I go to a bookstore,
14:42I ask the clerk
14:44where the book is.
14:46If the clerk doesn't know where it is,
14:48I say,
14:50it's over there.
14:52I'm surprised
14:54when the clerk
14:56shows me the book.
14:58Sometimes,
15:00I ask the clerk
15:02where the book is.
15:04I can't believe it.
15:06It's so interesting.
15:08I see.
15:10Bookstores
15:12have many interesting worlds.
15:14When I was a student,
15:16there was a good bookstore
15:18in the neighborhood
15:20that was different from
15:22the one I worked at.
15:24When I went there,
15:26I was taught how to read a book.
15:28When I read a book,
15:30people thought
15:32I was a good reader.
15:34I didn't know that.
15:36When I read the first book,
15:38people thought
15:40I was a good reader.
15:42Is it a big bookstore?
15:44Yes, it is.
15:46It's the best bookstore in Kyoto.
15:48I see.
15:50Did you know
15:52which bookstore it is?
15:54After this,
15:56we have a deep talk about books.
15:58I read books
16:00in front of street lights
16:02or vending machines.
16:04I sometimes understand
16:06what I read in a novel.
16:08What doesn't help
16:10your work
16:12becomes the real education.
16:14Teletubbies Original
16:16Akira Ikegami
16:18wants to hear stories from 30 people.
16:20In the reading week,
16:22how many books
16:24do you read?
16:26According to the survey,
16:2860% of people
16:30don't read a book
16:32in a month.
16:34That's the result.
16:36When I look around,
16:38I see friends
16:40who are literate
16:42or students who loved reading
16:44but couldn't read
16:46when they started working.
16:48I think it's a problem
16:50for the whole country.
16:52That's why
16:54this book project
16:56was born.
16:58When I look around,
17:00I see friends
17:02who can't read
17:04when they start working.
17:06I wrote a new book
17:08for them.
17:10You said
17:12you live half-heartedly.
17:14On the other hand,
17:16I heard you say
17:18don't work too much.
17:20Well,
17:22it's not that I don't want to work.
17:24I just want to have
17:26other interests
17:28other than work.
17:30For example,
17:32I want to value
17:34the time I spend reading books
17:36more.
17:38For example,
17:40when I have an event,
17:42I read a lot of novels
17:44that have nothing to do
17:46with work.
17:48I don't know
17:50whether it's a good thing
17:52or a bad thing,
17:54but I wonder
17:56how I can enjoy reading
17:58books about work.
18:00In a sense,
18:02novels about hobbies
18:04that have nothing to do
18:06with work
18:08can lead people
18:10to understand
18:12human relationships
18:14in the company.
18:16So, I think
18:18there are many people
18:20who feel guilty
18:22when they do things
18:24directly related to work.
18:26So, I think
18:28it's a good idea
18:30to spend time
18:32deepening
18:34what you like.
18:36I think
18:38it's a good idea
18:40to spend time
18:42deepening
18:44what you like.
18:46When I join a company,
18:48I have a duty
18:50to focus on my work.
18:52I used to be a reporter
18:54specialized in murder cases
18:56in the police department.
18:58So, when I have time
19:00until a press conference,
19:02I get scolded
19:04by my seniors
19:06when I read a book.
19:08I understand.
19:10When I read a book,
19:12I feel like I'm slacking off.
19:14When I read a book,
19:16I feel like I'm slacking off.
19:18I understand.
19:20I understand.
19:22I read a book in secret.
19:24I read a book in secret.
19:26Where do you read a book?
19:28For example,
19:30a detective
19:32is on a search
19:34during the day
19:36and comes back at night.
19:38He comes back
19:40by the last train.
19:42He waits in front of his house
19:44every night.
19:46He has a lot of things
19:48in his hand.
19:50For example,
19:52a street light
19:54or a vending machine light.
19:56You read a book there.
19:58It's too hard.
20:00It's not the time of construction.
20:02It's not just a street light
20:04or a vending machine light.
20:06It's a tradition.
20:08I read a book.
20:10I read a book.
20:12It was my first book.
20:14If there is a book
20:16that changed your life,
20:18please tell me.
20:20In high school,
20:22what is the book that changed
20:24your life?
20:26The Trump Revolution
20:28started in earnest.
20:30When it gets interesting,
20:32I feel like it's about time
20:34to get serious.
20:36If there is a book
20:38that changed your life,
20:40please tell me.
20:42In high school,
20:44I read Shibata's
20:46book called
20:48We Are the Days.
20:50You don't know it, do you?
20:52Shibata's book is
20:54a series of negative literature.
20:56You don't know
20:58Rokuzenkyo.
21:00Do you know it?
21:02It's the 6th National Congress
21:04of the Japanese Communist Party.
21:06Until then,
21:08all the people who worked hard
21:10for the Communist Party
21:12were frustrated.
21:14They were told
21:16that this kind of frustration
21:18exists in life.
21:20Then, I read
21:22Kurahashi Miko's book
21:24called Parutai.
21:26It was a dark age.
21:28I read
21:30Ikegami's new book.
21:32I saw Ikegami's bright image
21:34and I thought
21:36he was clearly a sensualist.
21:40I was wondering
21:42what kind of person he was.
21:44I was very convinced.
21:46That's my true nature.
21:48I am
21:50hiding myself
21:52now.
21:54When I appear on TV,
21:56I have to act like a good person.
21:58That's right.
22:04We have also introduced
22:06two recommended books.
22:08That's a new book.
22:10It was very interesting.
22:12This program is broadcast
22:14on Teletubbies TVer.
22:16In the latest episode,
22:18we talked about
22:20the world in which
22:22the king Trump is in.
22:24President Trump
22:26Mr.Masaru Sato
22:28Mr.Todd
22:32He's is
22:36Mr.Satou Masaru.
22:38Hello, everyone.
22:40Mr.Masaruo Satou
22:44Trump is on the news every day.
22:46How do you feel
22:48seeing that?
22:50Well, it's getting interesting.
22:52It's about to take place.
22:54The Trump Revolution has begun in earnest.
22:57Trump is a genius of cognitive warfare.
23:01First of all, he surprises people by saying impossible things.
23:04Then he makes a mess of it.
23:07And then he says things that no one would normally accept.
23:11He's a king, but recently, he's the emperor who was elected by election.
23:16So he's the emperor, so he's in control of other countries, too.
23:20Because he's not a king.
23:22Oh, I see.
23:24Everyone, the United States of America,
23:28the 51st week.
23:30If you go with that scenario, you'll be able to do the 51st week.
23:34Bonjour.
23:35Bonjour.
23:36Furthermore, we have an emergency interview with Emmanuel Todd,
23:40the titan of the earth, who represents France.
23:43What do you think about President Trump's attempts to launch a totalitarian attack?
23:49I think this is ultimately a problem with the Trump administration.
23:55Just as Japan once allied with Germany,
23:59it has once again allied with a country that is falling into a barbaric path.
24:08What is the future of Japan and the world that the two titans of the earth speak of?
24:12Next Monday on Teletubbies.
24:16Next time on Teletubbies,
24:18The school's affiliation with Meimon University ends.
24:21One out of four students will be able to go to the Faculty of Law.
24:25You can mix in with the university students and take exams.
24:27You can get a membership.