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00:00S.T.V.S.
00:30The birth of nine warriors
00:34caused a great boom in Japan.
00:40But behind the birth
00:43was a deep sadness
00:45and an unknown feeling.
00:50It was also the trigger
00:52for the birth of the great masterpiece
00:54Kamen Rider Kikaider.
01:00The king of manga,
01:02Mr. Ishinomori,
01:04had his own rule.
01:10Tonight's event is
01:11the reunion of the members of CYBORG-009.
01:14Now, the door of time and space opens.
01:25The members talk about
01:27the background of that movement.
01:31The first guest is
01:33the last disciple of Shotaro Ishinomori.
01:36He is a manga artist
01:38who focuses on the legend of Ishinomori.
01:40Mr. Masato Toyase.
01:47Nice to meet you.
01:51The second guest is
01:52Mr. Kazuhiko Inoue,
01:54the voice actor of Joe Shimamura
01:56in CYBORG-009.
02:00The third guest is
02:02Mr. Akiyoshi Sakai,
02:04the screenwriter of the TV anime series.
02:07The fourth guest is
02:09Mr. Nozomu Takahashi,
02:11the editor of the magazine ANIMEIJU.
02:14Now, let's take a look
02:16at the backstage of the great boom.
02:18First of all,
02:20the birth of CYBORG-009.
02:23The fourth guest is
02:25Mr. Ishinomori.
02:28The birth of CYBORG-009.
02:33Before we talk about the birth of CYBORG-009,
02:36let's take a look at the manga
02:38from the 1940s to the early 1970s.
02:41Here are some of the most representative ones.
02:45There are many more.
02:48Mr. Hayashi,
02:50how did CYBORG-009 come about?
02:54First, I'd like to talk about
02:56Ishinomori's debut.
02:58Ishinomori was born in
03:00Ishinomori, Nagata-cho,
03:02Tome-gun, Miyagi Prefecture.
03:04His father was very strict.
03:06He didn't allow his father
03:08to draw manga.
03:10He didn't know
03:12whether he wanted to become
03:14a manga artist in the first place.
03:16His older sister,
03:18who was three years older than Ishinomori,
03:20her name was Yoshie,
03:22and she graduated from high school.
03:25That's how he became a manga artist.
03:27Didn't you draw at home?
03:29No, I didn't.
03:31My older sister was sick,
03:33so I drew to show her.
03:35That's what I did.
03:37Did you draw secretly
03:39so that your parents wouldn't find you?
03:41Yes, I did.
03:43I've heard that
03:45if you want to become a legendary
03:47manga artist,
03:49you have to be good at drawing.
03:51You couldn't draw at home?
03:53No, but I drew a lot.
03:55Mr. Nagaigo
03:57later became an assistant
03:59to Ishinomori.
04:01At that time,
04:03he brought a lot of manuscripts
04:05to Ishinomori.
04:07If you are good at drawing,
04:09you can draw secretly.
04:11Mr. Ishinomori
04:13became interested in manga
04:15when he was in elementary school.
04:17He met Osamu Tezuka
04:19when he was in middle school.
04:21When he was in middle school,
04:23he wrote a fan letter
04:25and received a reply.
04:27He became an assistant
04:29to Tetsuwan Atom,
04:31who was writing at that time.
04:35And when he graduated high school,
04:37he became a teacher.
04:39After that,
04:41he became a teacher of Tokiwa.
04:45Did Mr. Tezuka
04:47live in Tokiwa?
04:49Yes, he did.
04:51Mr. Tezuka left Tokiwa
04:53and Mr. Ryo Fujio
04:55came to Tokiwa.
04:57So, from that time,
04:59many famous manga artists
05:01lived in Tokiwa.
05:03Yes.
05:05So, when publishers
05:07were in trouble with manuscripts,
05:09they could go to Tokiwa
05:11and solve the problem.
05:13However,
05:15at that time,
05:17Mr. Tezuka was already
05:19active as a professional.
05:21He made his debut
05:23when he was in high school.
05:25He was still 16 years old.
05:27There was also
05:29the background of
05:31Osamu Tezuka.
05:33And
05:35two years after he left Tokyo,
05:37one day in 1958,
05:39something happened
05:41that shook
05:43Mr. Tezuka's fate.
05:47As I said earlier,
05:49Ms. Ishinomori
05:51was sick.
05:53She was taking care of
05:55Mr. Ishinomori
05:57to cure his illness.
05:59However,
06:01her condition got worse
06:03and Mr. Ishinomori
06:05died at the age of 20.
06:07It was a great shock
06:09for Mr. Ishinomori.
06:11He had been reading
06:13manga all the time
06:15and he was the one
06:17who understood her the most.
06:19So, in order to get rid of
06:21the sadness,
06:23he went on a world trip.
06:25Mr. Ishinomori
06:27lost his sister
06:29who was the one
06:31who understood him the most.
06:33He was worried
06:35whether he could
06:37continue to be a manga artist.
06:39So, he went on a world trip
06:41to cure his illness.
06:43So, he lost his sister
06:45and went on a world trip.
06:47Yes.
06:49At that time,
06:51traveling abroad was not
06:53allowed.
06:55How many years ago was it?
06:57It was in 1961.
06:59Before that,
07:01there were not many people
07:03who could go abroad.
07:05So, the publisher
07:07of Life magazine
07:09took advantage of it.
07:11So, he saw the world,
07:13various people,
07:15and spread his vision.
07:17On his way back,
07:19he came across Life magazine.
07:21In Life magazine,
07:23there was a special issue
07:25about cyborgs.
07:27He saw it
07:29and the world
07:31and cyborgs
07:33were connected.
07:35That's how the idea of cyborgs
07:37was born.
07:39Yes.
07:41He traveled around the world
07:43and found the story
07:45of nine cyborgs,
07:47CYBORG-009.
07:49So,
07:51Mr. Ishinomori
07:53immediately started
07:55selling CYBORG-009
07:57to the publisher.
07:59The word cyborg
08:01was still very new.
08:03There was a term called
08:05CYBERNATIC ORGASM.
08:07I think it was in a foreign magazine.
08:09Yes.
08:11But the manga artist
08:13didn't know about it.
08:15Yes.
08:17Mr. Ishinomori
08:19published CYBORG-009
08:21in 1964.
08:23It took 3 or 4 years.
08:25He traveled around the world
08:27in 1961.
08:29Three years later,
08:31he published CYBORG-009
08:33in 1964.
08:35It was the beginning of
08:37Weekly Shonen King.
08:39At that time,
08:41Mr. Ishinomori was already
08:43popular.
08:45Yes.
08:47He was a manga artist
08:49who had a lot of serialization.
08:51Did you ask him
08:53to make a manga?
08:55No.
08:57There was a Weekly Shonen King
08:59but CYBORG-009 was too new.
09:01It was rejected.
09:03So,
09:05he published CYBORG-009
09:07in 1964
09:09while traveling around the world
09:11in 1961.
09:13Did you ask him
09:15to make a manga?
09:17Yes.
09:19Before CYBORG-009,
09:21Mr. Ishinomori
09:23worked with
09:25Mr. Kazumasa Hirai
09:27in the movie
09:29Super Robot.
09:31Oh, I see.
09:33He was a detective
09:35and a hero.
09:37The main character
09:39was detective Hazuma Hachiro
09:41who was a human
09:43but he was trapped
09:45by the enemy
09:47and died in the first episode.
09:49He transplanted
09:51his memory
09:53to the electronic brain
09:55so it wasn't CYBORG.
09:57It's hard to explain.
09:59He transplanted his memory
10:01to the electronic brain
10:03so it wasn't CYBORG.
10:05It was different from
10:07Super Robot.
10:09Mr. Hirai wanted
10:11to make it CYBORG
10:13but it was too early
10:15so he changed it
10:17to Super Robot.
10:19The word CYBORG
10:21wasn't used in CYBORG-81.
10:23Was CYBORG-9 the first CYBORG manga?
10:25I don't think so.
10:27I don't think so.
10:29Mr. Ishinomori
10:31made the world
10:33aware of CYBORG.
10:35Were there
10:37CYBORG manga in the same period?
10:39There is a theory that
10:41Big X was CYBORG
10:43but I didn't see it that way.
10:45I see.
10:47CYBORG is a man
10:49who transplanted his memory
10:51to the electronic brain.
10:53So I think
10:55CYBORG-009 is the first
10:57manga that
10:59defines the concept
11:01of CYBORG
11:03in Japan.
11:09CYBORG-009
11:11was born after
11:13overcoming many obstacles.
11:15Mr. Ishinomori
11:17has changed.
11:19Mr. Yoshie
11:21was supposed to be a reader
11:23but Mr. Ishinomori
11:25became a reader
11:27for the first time.
11:29That's how
11:31CYBORG-009 was born.
11:33He lost his sister
11:35who was supposed to be a reader.
11:37I don't think he was a reader
11:39but he became a reader
11:41for his sister.
11:43That's how
11:45he became a reader.
11:47He's a genius.
11:49He's a genius.
11:53He drew a picture
11:55for the first time.
11:57Mr. Ishinomori
11:59later said
12:01it was the first
12:03real work as a manga artist.
12:07However,
12:09CYBORG-009
12:11has more
12:13trials.
12:17Mr. Ishinomori's hairstyle
12:19is very quiet.
12:21I've never seen
12:23Mr. Ishinomori's hairstyle.
12:27Let's cheer up!
12:29Yawata!
12:31Mr. Yawata,
12:33when I was over 50,
12:35I went on a long-distance bus trip
12:37and watched a movie
12:39as a hobby.
12:41When I went shopping,
12:43Mr. Yawata helped me
12:45to cut a sawdust.
12:47I feel refreshed.
12:49I feel energetic.
12:51It's not because I'm old.
12:53I feel refreshed.
12:55I feel energetic.
12:57I'm happy to see
12:59Mr. Yawata's sawdust.
13:01Mr. Yawata's sawdust
13:03is harvested by hand
13:05from the sea of sawdust
13:07in Florida.
13:09He extracted the extract
13:11by his own way
13:13and can enjoy
13:15his hobby, movies, and shopping.
13:17I can shop normally.
13:19It's good
13:21that I can do
13:23normal things.
13:25For women and men,
13:27Mr. Yawata's sawdust
13:29costs 2,160 yen
13:31per bag for a month.
13:33It's a good price.
13:35Yes.
13:37A bag of sawdust
13:39costs 2,160 yen
13:41per bag for a month.
13:43It's less than half the price.
13:45However,
13:47you can buy it
13:49up to the end of this month.
13:51It's less than half the price.
13:53You can buy it
13:55up to the number
13:570120-4433-22.
13:59I can't make it in time for the bullet train.
14:01Smart EX can do it.
14:03What?
14:05You can buy it for free.
14:07I can do it.
14:09Smart EX is on sale.
14:11Every time I meet beautiful Japan,
14:13Wednesday night at 9 p.m.
14:15It's on air.
14:17CYBORG-009
14:19started serialization
14:21in 1964.
14:23However,
14:25after less than a year,
14:27there was another trial.
14:29Surprisingly,
14:31the serialization
14:33was canceled.
14:36However,
14:38the following year,
14:40a short story was released
14:42from Akita bookstore.
14:44It's called Akita Sunday Comics.
14:46Oh, it's over there.
14:48It's Akita bookstore, but Sunday Comics?
14:50Yes.
14:52Originally, it was serialized by Shonen Gahoshita,
14:54but a short story was released from Akita bookstore.
14:56What's the right to do that?
14:58At that time,
15:00there was no idea to do business with a short story.
15:02I see.
15:04However,
15:06Akita Sunday Comics was a big hit,
15:08and various publishers
15:10shifted their business
15:12to a short story.
15:14If other publishers' short stories
15:16sell well,
15:18does Shonen King think
15:20they made a mistake?
15:22Of course, they do.
15:24Various publishers' short stories
15:26are released from there.
15:28It seems to be very competitive.
15:30Mr. Ishinomori's works
15:32are not read in a short story,
15:34but are evaluated
15:36when they are read in a concise form.
15:38I see.
15:40I think it was such a work.
15:42The comics released in this way
15:44exceeded 1 million copies
15:46in a blink of an eye.
15:48It was a big hit.
15:50And
15:52it was published
15:54in more than 15 magazines.
15:58Well,
16:00I think a manga magazine
16:02is a reading-throwing culture.
16:04In that sense,
16:06it was a flow.
16:08ZEIZOU 9 was a manga
16:10with a lot of information,
16:12so I think it couldn't
16:14get along well in the flow.
16:16Sunday Comics was
16:18made for ZEIZOU 9.
16:20However,
16:22it succeeded in
16:24making the flow a stock,
16:26so it remained.
16:28Actually,
16:30I haven't read
16:32ZEIZOU 9 yet.
16:34The first time I saw ZEIZOU 9
16:36was in a TV anime
16:38with a monochrome screen.
16:40I saw it for the first time
16:42in the second episode
16:44of X-Challenge.
16:46After I became a junior high school student,
16:48I got a copy of Sunday Comics
16:50and read it.
16:52I finally understood
16:54the whole story.
16:56When you become a child,
16:58you can lend it to others.
17:00At that time,
17:02there was no money,
17:04so you couldn't buy it.
17:06I read it as a loan,
17:08but ordinary children
17:10borrowed it from
17:12rich people.
17:14Also,
17:16girls don't read
17:18shounenshi,
17:20so they can only read
17:22the manga.
17:24The number of books
17:26for boys and girls
17:28was increasing.
17:30At that time,
17:32manga artists
17:34had to pay
17:36for pages.
17:38So,
17:40manga artists
17:42didn't have to
17:44make a lot of money.
17:46However,
17:48manga artists
17:50had to pay
17:52a lot of money
17:54to support their assistants.
17:56So,
17:58manga artists
18:00had to pay
18:02a lot of money
18:04to support their assistants.
18:06CYBORG-009
18:08was a big hit
18:10all over Japan.
18:12What kind of person
18:14was Umino
18:16and Shotaro Ishinomori?
18:19Ushinomori-sensei
18:21was one of the members
18:23of Tokiwa-sou.
18:25Tokiwa-sou means
18:27Tetsuka-sensei.
18:29Everyone in Tokiwa-sou
18:31had the image of
18:33Tetsuka Children.
18:35Was he a successor?
18:37He wasn't a direct disciple.
18:39He wasn't a direct disciple.
18:41Tetsuka-sensei's
18:43Shintakarajima was
18:45the epoch-making work.
18:47Everyone in Tokiwa-sou
18:49admired manga artists
18:51after reading it.
18:53Everyone in Tokiwa-sou
18:55thought it was
18:57a different kind of manga.
18:59Shintakarajima was
19:01the epoch-making work
19:03of manga artists.
19:05Tetsuka-sensei's work
19:07was not
19:09a flat manga
19:11but a deep one.
19:14Suzuki-san is the person
19:16who loves ramen.
19:18He is Suzuki Shinji
19:20from Studio Zero.
19:22He looks like Koike-san.
19:24Instant ramen was made
19:26in Tokiwa-sou.
19:28I think he ate ramen.
19:32Everyone admired
19:34Tetsuka-sensei's back.
19:37And the reason
19:39Hayase-san started
19:41Kamen Rider Black was...
19:44In 1987,
19:46Ishinomori-sensei
19:48started serializing
19:50Kamen Rider Black
19:52in Weekly Shonen Sunday.
19:54I'm an actor, too.
19:56At that time,
19:58Ishinomori-sensei
20:00moved to Seinen-shi
20:02and didn't write Shonen manga.
20:04But he serialized it
20:06in Shonen Sunday.
20:08I bought Shonen Sunday every week
20:10and cut out only Kamen Rider Black
20:12and scrapped it.
20:16And I got an offer
20:18to hire an assistant
20:20in Hashida,
20:22a branch of the serialization.
20:24I noticed it
20:26because I scrapped it.
20:28It was cut off.
20:30So I applied.
20:34There was a cafe
20:36in Ginza
20:38where Ishinomori-sensei worked.
20:40I didn't expect
20:42to get an offer.
20:44I wanted to get a souvenir
20:46like a graduation trip
20:48and go home.
20:50That's so cool.
20:52I didn't expect that.
20:56Originally,
20:58Ishinomori-sensei
21:00didn't have to worry.
21:02Because
21:04if you hire someone you like,
21:06you might do something bad
21:08to them.
21:14So I didn't have
21:16to worry.
21:18Ishinomori-sensei
21:20didn't trust his fans at all.
21:26When I joined Ishinomori-sensei,
21:28I thought
21:30there were many people
21:32who knew Ishinomori-sensei.
21:34But I knew Ishinomori-sensei the best.
21:36When did you meet Ishinomori-sensei
21:38for the first time?
21:40When I started
21:42recording for 009,
21:44there was a special edition
21:46when it was on air.
21:48I met him there
21:50for the first time.
21:52I said,
21:54I'm Kazuhiko Inoue.
21:56He said,
21:58nice to meet you.
22:00Then,
22:02I went to his studio
22:04several times.
22:06He was very fast.
22:10He had two pens.
22:12A normal pen
22:14and a blue pen.
22:16He had a colored pencil.
22:18He said,
22:20Kazuhiko, wait a minute.
22:22Then he drew.
22:24He painted with a blue pen.
22:26I said, what is this?
22:28He said, this is mysterious.
22:30When you paint with a blue pen,
22:32when you print,
22:34it looks like a screen tone.
22:36I think
22:38the assistant
22:40was printing it.
22:44I said, okay, let's go.
22:46He took me to drink.
22:48Then,
22:50Mr. Saito Takao
22:52and Mr. Fujiko Fujio came.
22:54There were many people.
22:56Mr. Chiba Tetsuya came.
22:58He said,
23:00this is the guy
23:02who made 009.
23:04He introduced me to him.
23:06The great hit of
23:08Tyborg 009
23:10made writing
23:12a new era.
23:14There were
23:16770 works
23:18and 500 comics.
23:22In 2008,
23:24it was recognized
23:26by the world.
23:28You must be busy.
23:30Yes.
23:32The work I took on
23:34was called
23:36Manga Nihon no Rekishi.
23:38I had to write 200 pages
23:40per month for 4 and a half years.
23:42Per month?
23:44Yes.
23:46I see.
23:48I see.
23:50Mr. Ishinomori
23:52drew 600 or 560
23:54works per month.
23:56So,
23:58200 pages
24:00is not a big number.
24:02Is it an easy job?
24:04I wouldn't say so.
24:06Is weekly serialization
24:0832 pages?
24:10Weekly serialization is
24:12less than 20 pages.
24:14Weekly serialization is
24:1680 pages.
24:18How many serializations
24:20does 500 pages have?
24:22Mr. Nagai-go
24:24was there.
24:26He did
24:28weekly serialization
24:305 times.
24:32Weekly serialization 5 times?
24:34Yes.
24:36Mr. Nagai-go
24:38said
24:40Mr. Ishinomori
24:42drew 600 or 560
24:44per month.
24:46But he said
24:48Mr. Nagai-go drew
24:50more than 500.
24:52He said
24:54Mr. Ishinomori
24:56drew more than 500.
24:58So,
25:00he drew more than 500
25:02per month.
25:04I see.
25:06I see.
25:08I see.
25:10I see.
25:12I see.
25:14I see.
25:16I see.
25:18I'm not good at math,
25:20so I don't know.
25:22So,
25:24he drew
25:26weekly serialization
25:28every day.
25:30Of course,
25:32he drew
25:34weekly serialization
25:3650 or 60 pages.
25:38I see.
25:40I see.
25:42I see.
25:44I see.
25:46If I call
25:48our producer,
25:50he shows me
25:52new work
25:54and says
25:56how it looks,
25:58and that's it.
26:00Still,
26:02I think
26:04he drew
26:05more than 500 pages.
26:08Even so,
26:10he told Miss Inoue.
26:12He is a cameraman,
26:14When I played with Mr. Ishinomori's assistant for the first time,
26:18he was a teacher I admired,
26:21so I wondered how bright the manuscript I saw for the first time would look.
26:26When I saw the manuscript he gave me, it was very rough,
26:30and I was quite disappointed.
26:34What do you mean by rough? Is the line rough?
26:37It's not that the line is rough.
26:40For example, let's say this is a horizontal line.
26:43The horizontal line has to stop here.
26:47This line is all protruding.
26:51It's too fast to stop.
26:55So I have to erase this protruding part with white paint,
27:02which is called a correction liquid.
27:04I have to do it in one step, unlike other cartoonists.
27:08When I erased all the protruding parts,
27:11the manuscript looked bright and shiny.
27:14I was really surprised.
27:16So you have a lot of work as an assistant.
27:18Yes, I do.
27:20There is Mr. Ishinomori's writing room next to the assistant's room,
27:25which is about four and a half meters away.
27:27Mr. Ishinomori writes manuscripts there.
27:31He throws the manuscript to the door adjacent to the assistant's room.
27:37Yes, he throws the manuscript to the door.
27:40When the manuscript comes from the assistant,
27:44he has to pick it up from the floor and put it on the desk in a hurry.
27:48That's the rule.
27:51But that doesn't mean that Mr. Ishinomori's manuscript is important,
27:55so you have to pick it up in a hurry.
27:58If you don't pick it up quickly, the next manuscript will come flying.
28:02If you don't pick it up quickly, the next manuscript will come flying.
28:05If you don't pick it up quickly, the next manuscript will come flying.
28:07That's right.
28:08You can't use it, so you have to pick it up in a hurry.
28:10Is the next manuscript thrown faster than the first one?
28:13Yes, it is.
28:14How fast is it?
28:15It's really fast.
28:16Isn't it a copy machine?
28:18It's really that fast.
28:21This is not my opinion.
28:23It's from Mr. Kazuhiko Shimamoto, a cartoonist.
28:26Mr. Ishinomori was one of the youngest cartoonists in the Tokyu Asuo era.
28:33He was the fastest cartoonist.
28:36He was the fastest cartoonist.
28:38I thought he was like Jo Shimamura.
28:40I see.
28:41He was himself.
28:43Cartoons reflect themselves.
28:46He had an accelerator.
28:48Yes, it was like that.
28:50I saw an old special edition video.
28:55There was a pyramid on the roof of the building where Mr. Ishinomori worked.
29:03Mr. Ishinomori used the pyramid on the roof as a meditation room and slept there.
29:09He didn't have time to meditate, did he?
29:13I saw a picture of him.
29:17There was a pyramid on the roof and a round chair next to the bed.
29:28He read a book on the chair.
29:31He said,
29:32This pyramid is good.
29:36Is it because of his high concentration?
29:39I think it's a matter of feeling.
29:42I see.
29:44And the last episode of CYBORG-009 that everyone wants to know about.
29:55I often ask if there is the last episode.
29:59I know that it's the last episode, but I heard that other works are not finished.
30:06In CYBORG-009, there are many publishers such as Shonen Ga Housha, Kodansha, Akita Shoten, and Shuueisha.
30:16So there is always the last episode.
30:19However, there are two episodes that are overwhelmingly said to be the last episode.
30:25One is the episode called Chika Teikoku Yomihen.
30:30It's a work that Mr. Ishinomori wrote with his own will to finish CYBORG-009.
30:36It's an enemy base called Majin Zou.
30:41CYBORG-009 goes to space on it.
30:45It succeeds in destroying Majin Zou, but there is no way back from space.
30:50A flying character called Jet comes to pick it up.
30:55Jet also goes to space and holds the hand of CYBORG-009, but there is no way back.
31:02So he says to CYBORG-009,
31:06Joe, where do you want to fall?
31:09At that time, CYBORG-009 and CYBORG-002 died.
31:14Yes, that's right.
31:16CYBORG-002 went into the atmosphere and died.
31:19At that time, I received a letter of complaint from my fans.
31:26Did you want to put an end to it?
31:29That's right.
31:30I didn't have much impression of the last episode of Chika Teikoku Yomihen.
31:35The most impressive thing was the angel episode.
31:38I read it, and I think it was the peak as a picture.
31:43It was a beautiful picture of CYBORG-009 and CYBORG-003.
31:48It was an exciting development.
31:51I was wondering how to put an end to this story.
31:54Suddenly, a picture of CYBORG-009 stood up.
31:57Next to it was a picture of an apologizing teacher.
32:00It said,
32:03Wait a minute.
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34:38CYBORG-009, which was a huge hit in the comics.
34:43It was later turned into an anime and evolved into a movie.
34:53At first, it was an anime for the theater.
34:57It was a full-color animation made by Toei Animation.
35:05The colors are completely different.
35:07Yes, only the main character wears a scarf.
35:12Two years later, it was made into a TV anime.
35:17The reason is...
35:21Originally, I was going to make another anime on TV.
35:25But I couldn't do it because of some reasons.
35:29So I decided to make CYBORG-009.
35:31CYBORG-009 has a lot of experience and know-how.
35:35I thought it would be a good idea to fill in the blanks.
35:41This is the first one.
35:43I think I've seen it in an old anime special.
35:48It was already decided that it would be broadcast on TV.
35:52I think the writers were free to do whatever they wanted.
35:5911 years after the first TV anime,
36:04CYBORG-009 was finally made.
36:10It's been 11 years.
36:12It's been a long time. Why?
36:14At that time, there was a second animation boom.
36:18It was a huge hit.
36:22I think it's because of that momentum.
36:26It was in 1974.
36:29I think I almost forgot about CYBORG-009.
36:33But in 1974, the animation boom started.
36:39At that time, the fans of CYBORG-009 started to find
36:43that there were a lot of interesting things in TV anime.
36:47At that time, you didn't want to make a popular serialized work into an anime.
36:51You wanted to see that in an old work.
36:53There were a lot of things like that.
36:55It was the same with Lupin the Third.
36:57When I was a kid,
36:59I wanted to see something that I had seen before and was really good.
37:02I wanted to put it on this animation boom and put it out again.
37:05I think there was a change in making and receiving.
37:08When CYBORG-009 was broadcast in 1979,
37:12I was a high school student at the time,
37:16but I felt like I was finally out.
37:18I felt like I was finally out.
37:20CYBORG-009 was a work that came back
37:23just before the peak of the anime boom.
37:27When you write a script,
37:29it's a work that stops once, right?
37:31Do you decide where and how to draw it?
37:34No, I don't decide.
37:36I want to do the space-time version of CYBORG-009.
37:41I want to do the other side.
37:43That's what we all agreed on.
37:47Tsuji-sensei and I drew the first and second episodes together.
37:54I think we were going to do the space-time version from the beginning.
38:01But I didn't see the first episode,
38:04so I drew the second episode.
38:06The first and second episodes don't match.
38:08That's ridiculous.
38:09Of course, if you don't see it, it will be like that.
38:11Because I joined at the same time.
38:13If you join at the same time,
38:15you don't have the communication.
38:17That's right.
38:18So the producer said,
38:19it's interesting, but I can't use it.
38:21I think it's very difficult for nine players to make a story.
38:26Each character has its own personality.
38:29I think it's easier to move the character's personality.
38:33But I think it's hard to split it up.
38:35I think it's hard to write the script.
38:38Nine people in this work are often in the anime.
38:42So it's very difficult to process.
38:45It's a group action.
38:48One of the main characters goes,
38:50and when he's in danger, everyone comes to him.
38:53He compensates for the shortcomings and defeats the enemy.
38:56It's a pattern, so it's very difficult.
39:03It's necessary to show a place that stands out every time, right?
39:07That's right.
39:08It's not easy to say,
39:11I think it's more interesting when each ability is scattered.
39:16But it's not omnipotent.
39:18The only thing you can do is blow fire.
39:21It's a bad way to say it.
39:23The ability to blow fire doesn't seem to be very useful.
39:27In short, everyone is a defective person.
39:30A defective person.
39:32It's a little strange to say that everyone is one.
39:37Everyone is a defective person, so they try to be strong.
39:42I think that's the charm of the work.
39:47When did you come up with the idea for the script?
39:52When I was making the anime in 1979,
39:57I had a lot of auditions.
40:01At that time, all the main characters had auditions.
40:07Director Ryosuke Takahashi said,
40:11I don't think it's right.
40:15I don't care if it's a young person or someone else.
40:18I happened to have a letter saying,
40:21I have a fan named Inoue, so please listen to it.
40:27Director Ryosuke Takahashi asked me to call Inoue.
40:32So I was called.
40:34Until then, I had worked on the main character Gingaiser for the first time.
40:40The following year, I auditioned for 009.
40:45The pressure of that audition was amazing.
40:48A lot of people said no.
40:51I went to the studio.
40:53The moment I said thank you, the director thought it was this person.
41:02I said my name was Kazuhiko Inoue.
41:05I'm going to do Shimamura Castle.
41:08When I said the title, he said,
41:10That's it! That's it!
41:14I didn't want a normal, energetic main character.
41:20I wanted a naive, moist voice.
41:26I was told that.
41:30It was the first time I was told that I was in the best condition.
41:35I thought, is this okay?
41:39When I got the script and practiced,
41:42I always said my name and practiced.
41:46That's the first feeling.
41:48From there, I was able to get a lot of roles for the main character.
41:54This is where I started.
41:58How do you say the accelerator?
42:00Do you try a lot of things on the spot?
42:04At first, I didn't have a line about the accelerator.
42:09It was written on a piece of paper.
42:12It comes up a lot.
42:14As I was doing it, I wanted to say it.
42:17I said, accelerator!
42:19Everyone was like, what?
42:22Did you say it on your own?
42:23I said it on my own.
42:25Then, the next week's script said accelerator.
42:28I was like, goodbye!
42:31Inoue's idea was adopted.
42:34This is the first famous line that was said.
42:46Accelerator!
42:58Accelerator!
43:00The anime was a hit.
43:02CYBORG-009 made it even more popular.
43:08In addition to the Kamen Rider,
43:10Kikaider was also a hit.
43:14It was a hit that only Mr. Ishinomori knew about.
43:21Mr. Ishinomori's work has a lot of uses.
43:27The evil organization kidnaps innocent people
43:32and remodels them.
43:35The remodeled people are no longer human.
43:38They rebel against the organization and fight.
43:41CYBORG-009, Kamen Rider, and Kikaider are all the same.
43:49I think this is a great invention.
43:52Manga, TV anime, and TV special effects are very short.
44:00The hero is born,
44:03the evil organization is broken,
44:06and the hero carries the sadness of being no longer human.
44:11He fights against the organization.
44:14It's great to be able to introduce it all together.
44:18I think it's a very suitable structure for both manga and TV shows.
44:24I thought it was a complicated structure, but it's the opposite.
44:27It's short.
44:29CYBORG-009 is a cyborg,
44:31and Kamen Rider is a remodeled human.
44:34That's why the audience thinks it's different.
44:39That's why there are so many copies of this dead.
44:44I think they like it.
44:47The sad thing is that the word happy end is not used.
44:52It's peaceful, but it's basically a lonely existence that has to be abandoned.
44:57That's right.
44:59When you win, you're the enemy of humanity.
45:04There's no reason to exist.
45:06That's right.
45:08That's why I, who was in elementary school at the time, was numb.
45:13Was there no hero in this work?
45:17I don't think so.
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45:24A dry feeling.
45:26Lack of tension.
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48:22The four who have been watching over Cyborg 009 for many years.
48:26What will they see in the future?
48:30Like Kamen Rider, Ishimori sensei is a great writer.
48:35I think he was able to create a certain format and IP.
48:40I think he is a person who has created a new genre in the form of a TV program and a project.
48:46In that case, I think the possibility of 009 remaining forever is very strong.
48:52So I want new writers to write 009 in their own interpretation in various ways.
48:58I want you to continue to tell us about 009 while refining it more and more.
49:05003 is close to live.
49:10There was a rumor that there was a junior.
49:14If there is a junior, I want to see the development of that.
49:20I want to see the world of development like Terminator or Indy George.
49:26I want to see that kind of thing.
49:31Ishimori sensei passed away on January 28, 1998.
49:38I think there are two types of human death.
49:41One is physical death.
49:43The other is when all the people who remember that person are gone.
49:47I think I'll die again.
49:50So, by spreading Ishimori sensei's work to the world,
49:55I think Ishimori sensei's other life will live on.
49:59I want to keep that in my heart and cherish the work.
50:07I didn't have time to ask, but my favorite line is,
50:10All I have left is courage.
50:12009 is a cyborg, but I think it's a human.
50:16It's not a special ability, but at the end it's fighting with a human heart.
50:21I don't think I've ever said this line in anime.
50:27If you ask me to say a line, I'll definitely say it.
50:32Can I say it?
50:34Yes, please.
50:35I'm sorry.
50:36All I have left is courage.
50:41We can't talk about it, but it's about time.
50:45Thank you for your time today.
50:51I think there was a mistake in the way of thinking.
50:54I think it's difficult to fight God.
50:57Finally, the seeds of the future marked by Kazurazer.
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