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00:00That's a great question. That's a great question. That's a great question. So that so so that that
00:05is a that's a great that's a great question. On 95.7 The Game. You know one of the voices
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00:16Go ahead. Is it Greg Cosell? Yeah one of the voices is definitely Greg Cosell. Yeah. Definitely
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00:38is where Greg Cosell lead producer NFL Films joins us right now. Hey Greg what's been a minute? How
00:44you doing? I'm doing great guys. How are you? We're doing fantastic. We want to know about Mack Jones.
00:51What have what have you seen with with his play specifically last year in Jacksonville?
00:59Yeah I mean I think you know it's funny Mack Jones falls into that category now and I've
01:04been giving this a lot of thought you know because of the draft as well and I've had a
01:07lot of conversations with people of how difficult it is to be a pure pocket quarterback in this league
01:15um when you don't really have any second reaction movement ability and you're not a great thrower.
01:22Now it can be done you know obviously scheme and system go a long way in determining whether
01:27that kind of quarterback can be a really consistent player week to week but it's you
01:32have to be so good at so many of the details nuances and subtleties of the position in order
01:39to be you know a quality quality starting quarterback playing that way and also he's
01:44not very big so it's you know I think that's one reason why it just didn't quite work out for him
01:51up to this point in his career after you know a decent rookie season not a great one a decent one
01:56and it just hasn't worked out because that style of quarterback is just it's just hard.
02:02So you're saying he doesn't have and you were talking about the uh second reaction mobility
02:08skills is he basically statuesque is he unable from what you've seen on the film to to get out
02:14there and and make plays with his legs even to the level that Brock Purdy has? Well he's not
02:19not as athletically gifted as Purdy um you know every quarterback look we were in an era where
02:25pretty much every quarterback has some athletic ability you know I'm not saying he could never
02:30run for a first down but that's not really what his game is and you're not building you know
02:36you're not counting on that to be part of his uh of his array of talents you know if he's your
02:42starting quarterback if he's your starting quarterback everything has to be pretty much
02:47timing based rhythm based the system has to present the defined reads and throws he has to
02:53be phenomenal pre-snap he has to be phenomenal at what I call elimination and isolation I guess most
02:59people would call that processing um so it's just that's what you have to be if you're essentially
03:04a pocket quarterback which he is and again I'm not saying he'd never ever run for a first down
03:09on third at nine but that he would be in the bottom bottom bottom fourth of the league in
03:15that regard if he was your starting quarterback. Greg what about this I mean and I don't want to
03:20ask you to be speculative but at the same time we we've watched a lot of quarterbacks kind of do
03:26their best work in their career when they're with Kyle Shanahan so do you think that Mack Jones
03:33if he does end up playing at all maybe there's a level of Mack that we haven't seen yet is that
03:39fair it's possible sure I mean obviously it's a tremendous system um when when it's working
03:44you know at its finest it is a system where the ball tends to come out on time rhythmically
03:50um there's no question because Kyle's one of the best in the league um you know it's one reason
03:54why Sam Darnold was so so good in Minnesota because Kevin O'Connell's one of the best in the
03:59league I've always as I've told you guys been a big believer in coaching and there's no question
04:04that Kyle is among the very best in the league and is that possible I guess my question to you
04:09guys would be do you think the 49ers need a new starting quarterback uh we don't think so and
04:14we have talked to you before Greg about the quarterback store and they're not being one and
04:19so a QB in the hand is worth more than two in the bush so I think my partner and I are both sold on
04:26what Brock Purdy is even though this year I don't know what you've seen from the film but
04:30a lot of people are saying it was a down year how did you assess Brock Purdy last year I don't think
04:36it was as good as the year prior but he's been a very good quarterback through three years in the
04:41league um you know we've discussed some of the things that that to me on tape showed up that I
04:46thought he has to work through and by the way that can be pretty normal don't you know don't forget
04:51it was a team that was uh wracked by injuries their whole line was not very good this year
04:55relative to the previous two years um you know they had injuries at the wide receiver position
05:01uh so you know it was just look Purdy I like Purdy and I think he's a quality NFL quarterback
05:08you know no one's going to sit here and say he's Mahomes, Burrow, Jackson, Allen you know those
05:13guys no one would say that but um he's a quality NFL quarterback uh I think he needs players around
05:20him the run game sort of faded away as the year progressed so most quarterbacks are in that
05:27situation by the way so that that's not a knock on Brock Purdy uh and you know this is a team that's
05:32obviously kind of they probably wouldn't call it rebuilding but let's say they're in a resetting
05:36mode right now as you guys know they allowed a lot of players to walk they're going to be a
05:41different team this year and you know that happens you know you go through that this is what free
05:45agency is uh is you lose players you can't pay everybody and then you bring in new players and
05:51then you start over. So Greg yeah I think we definitely want to ask you about some of those
05:56players that were on their way out the door but but before we leave the quarterback position
06:00I'm curious why you asked us if if we think the Niners need a new starting quarterback.
06:06Well you know I'm sure there's a lot of people who believe as as you have told me there's a lot
06:11of people I'm sure listening and in the Bay Area that probably think Purdy may not be the guy
06:17given that he didn't have his best year of his three years in 2024 and then Mac Jones was was
06:24tied correctly or incorrectly we don't know to Kyle Shanahan when he came out in the draft so
06:29I'm sure there are some people who think that they made this signing because Mac Jones could
06:33end up being the starting quarterback. Well no so yeah yeah no there's no there's no doubt that
06:38people are are curious uh because of the name because of the past discussion and all of that
06:44but I guess maybe you can answer it for them like how big is the gap how big is the gap in your
06:50opinion between what you've seen from Brock versus what you've seen from Mac? Pretty significant up
06:56to this point but again you raise a good point you know when you're with Kyle Shanahan things can
07:00change but up to this point in time which is all we have all we have is the film the gap it would
07:06be significant. Yeah the gap is primarily in processing and experience and it's ball handling
07:13and athleticism and when you look at it's pretty much it's pretty much in every variable you could
07:19come up with. Right and so the only thing I'm curious about with Mac Jones and we can talk
07:23about the other players that Mark was referencing who have left the building does Mac have the skills
07:29to run the specific type of offense that Kyle likes with the the boot action the play action
07:35and some of the other movement needs that the quarterback has to have to run the fakes?
07:41Not as well as Brock I mean is he capable yes but not as well as Brock Purdy is.
07:47Okay and and that's I mean kind of an across the board uh read on it. Yeah. One thing I want to
07:52ask you Greg is Kyle Juszczak is one of the people who is out the door and you know short of them
07:58finding another fullback does that signal to you a possible change in how they're going to go about
08:04scheming up the offense? Yes because I mean right now there's not a fullback on the roster
08:10um you know fullback is not a position where there's a ton of them we we still have the rest
08:15of free agency we have the draft we don't know what's going to happen but as we speak today on
08:20March 13th they do not have a fullback on the roster so they don't know how that's all going
08:25to play out so you'd have to believe that there's going to be a greater emphasis on 11 personnel
08:30meeting one back one tight end three wide receivers because as you guys know Juszczak
08:35over the last number of years I mean they were a 21 personnel offense playing with Juszczak
08:40who probably played in any given season 35 to 45 percent of the offensive snaps so you'd have
08:47to think you know again we don't know what but the immediate future holds and when we still have
08:52the draft but you would have to think right now that they would be working on that change because
08:57they don't know how it's going to play out. Greg what about the Niner pass rush I think a lot of
09:01eyebrows went up on two names uh and and mainly Leonard Floyd but on the interior Malik Collins
09:08who you said some good things about this year yeah like like did those grab you by
09:13surprise and what did you think of their actual play last year? Well I thought Collins played
09:20pretty well you know again I'm not in the building I don't know how they feel um I thought Collins
09:25and I've always thought Collins he's been with a number of teams so I don't know why that's the
09:29case you know maybe there's something um you know something else going on there but I thought he
09:34played pretty well he's a certain kind of player he's a three technique he's a gap penetrator he's
09:39got quickness he's always been that guy obviously they did not re-sign him um so they're going to
09:45move on from him I got you know right now they did re-sign Kevin Givens correct? Yeah yep yeah
09:50Kevin Givens is a very quick you know uh guy as well um I've always liked him since he came out
09:56of Penn State so you know we'll see I mean you know the thing is is you reach a certain point
10:04where you've got to move on from certain players you know like Leonard Floyd for instance is going
10:07to be an older player while he's not a bad player you know he's probably not a guy you're building
10:12your future around and maybe they just made a decision that you know what we're not going to
10:16sign him to a one-year deal and I think he even got a two-year deal where he signed so you know
10:20maybe if that's what the market was going to bear for him which it obviously did because that's what
10:24he signed uh then then you know they made a decision they're not going to do that you know
10:29the thing is is you have to do this at some point now you hope that you can do it without totally
10:36you know changing your team to the point where they're they're not as competitive
10:40but every team kind of has to go through that at some point and if you're if your quarterback plays
10:45at a high level normally you weather that storm and another guy who has gone and you know you talk
10:52about how you have to kind of reset the roster it's Debo Samuel and I wonder about what this
10:57passing game is like and even the auxiliary running game which Debo played a role in what
11:03did you think about Debo's year last year and could that have been you know a decline in his
11:07play as a big reason or at least a part of the reason why they let him go um well as you know
11:14we've discussed I mean and and maybe people have the wrong impression you know I had this
11:18conversation with someone else over the last couple of days um you know I think there's a
11:23perception and maybe it's a perception in the bay area that Debo is a big time number one type
11:29receiver and he's not and he's a piece in a really kind of cool offense that you know he's a multiple
11:36uh location player within the offense he's a movable chess piece but he's not a big time
11:41number one receiver so maybe they're going to make some changes in how they play offense we
11:45spoke about the fact that they might be switching far more to an 11 personnel offense and you know
11:51maybe they just felt look they they drafted pierce all last year we'll see what happens with IU who's
11:56coming back from an injury we'll see when he comes back they signed to Marcus Robinson who's always
12:01wherever he's been seems like he does a really good job um you know obviously they have Jennings
12:07you know we I don't know maybe you know I don't know what they think of Jacob Cowling
12:11I really liked his tape in college he played in two places UTEP in Arizona I liked him in both
12:16places because I watched his tape in both places he was a totally different receiver in each spot
12:21um so again at some point when you draft players you've got to go with them and I'm sure that's
12:27the decision that they made Greg you mentioned to Marcus Robinson there would love to know your
12:32thoughts on him and whether or not you think he can be a valuable piece for the 49ers this year
12:38I do you know it's funny when Marcus Robinson I believe he came out of Florida years ago
12:43and he had some personal issues and I remembered that draft in particular I can't remember the
12:47other receivers but I thought he was a top five receiving prospect in that draft and he's moved
12:52around the league and wherever he's been he's you know he's sort of been the third guy sometimes the
12:57second guy and he's always been in his own way productive not you know not necessarily volume
13:03productive in terms of catching 80 or 90 balls but he's always been productive and he's always
13:08been a part of the pass game and I've always liked him as a player he's got good size he's got pretty
13:13good speed you know he's one of those guys that helps a pass game so I thought that was a good
13:17signing I mean Greg you're a tape guy but like we're talking to Niner fans every day who are
13:23panicking do you think that this is a panic roster right now because everything's going to
13:28be different you know right now they're used to a team that over the last six years was one of the
13:33absolute best in the league they just didn't get a chance to win the Super Bowl uh and obviously
13:38last year kind of fell apart due to injuries and and other factors so you know this was a team now
13:43that was like I said among the best the very best in the league and now it's a major difference so
13:49you know difference people don't usually deal with difference very well so you know maybe there
13:54is a reset I'm not saying it's okay if they go 8-9 this year they would never look at it that
13:58way you know that uh you know the way Kyle Shanahan is that would not be okay but but I
14:04think every team has to go through this to some degree uh I mean you know you look the Eagles
14:10just won the Super Bowl their whole defense is going to be different this year with it with
14:14very few exceptions so I mean this is what happens with teams you know and then you hope that you
14:19make the right decisions and then you wait for the draft and you see what happens in the draft
14:23great great stuff man I'm really really glad to have you I'm just trying to be a little realistic
14:28here guys you know I mean you know this is the way it works you know it you know everybody wants
14:33superstars every year you can't pay everybody and there are times when you just have to readjust
14:39is this uh by the way is this an amazing defensive line draft we've heard that
14:44uh de-tackle is an unbelievable position in this draft I mean I was told by someone in the know
14:50and I'm grinding away watching tape guys that's what I do every day I've been watching college
14:54tape every single day and so I've probably seen 200 guys already um in great detail but um uh
15:02I was told by someone in the know that you could see 20 defensive tackles taken in the first three
15:06rounds wow do you do you have a name that you think would be amazing at number 11
15:15well the one thing here's the one thing that I don't do so I can't speak to guys personalities
15:21or if they have issues right right right but but the player that I absolutely love on tape
15:26is um is Walter Nolan from uh Ole Miss okay he was a he was a transfer from I believe A&M
15:34he was a top five recruit in the entire country regardless of position he he has snaps that are
15:40reminiscent of Jalen Carter where he just rag dolls offensive linemen in the SEC I think he's
15:46the most uh let's put this I think he's the most physical violent and he's got great quickness as
15:52well de-tackle in this draft whether he's drafted like that I couldn't begin to tell you I don't
15:57get into that stuff you know I don't do mocks but I loved his tape but there's a ton of guys
16:02that you could probably get in the second or third round as well depending on how the draft
16:06plays out okay there is Nolan out of Ole Miss I'm gonna look him up right now Greg all right guys
16:14yeah he's it's if you got I'm sure there's YouTube I like that's not what I watch as you guys know
16:19of course but I'm sure there's YouTube I like no doubt about it no there's all kinds of stuff
16:24we're looking at it right now 296 I just want to know if he's going to be available there at number
16:2811 but Greg thank you very much great to talk to you thanks guys really appreciate it