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00:00Do you know how many open houses there are in Japan?
00:10The number of open houses in Japan is 9 million.
00:15This is 13.8% of the total number of houses in Japan.
00:20If the number of open houses continues to increase,
00:25one out of every four houses in Japan will be open in 20 years.
00:33The background to this is population decline,
00:37aging society, and inheritance problems.
00:42The third episode of Akiya問題 2025.
00:50It used to be called Hakusanso.
00:53And now it's an open house.
00:58A hot spring resort that was once popular is now an open house?
01:03It's like a disinfecting machine.
01:06You can't even wash your hands.
01:09Complicated circumstances are intertwined,
01:13and even if you try to sell it, it won't sell.
01:16We approach the reality of open houses.
01:20If there are people in need, I'd like them to use it.
01:25To be honest, I don't know what to do.
01:32Akiya問題 2025.
01:35The battle between population decline and Akiya.
01:41The battle between population decline and Akiya.
01:45The third episode of Akiya問題 2025.
01:50We have Tomoyuki Maruoka,
01:53the CEO of NextVideo,
01:56who will talk about Akiya.
01:59And we have Ryoko Hirose.
02:02Nice to meet you.
02:05Have you ever heard of this word?
02:09Please take a look.
02:12Shakuchi and Sokochi.
02:15Sokochi?
02:18You've heard of shakuchi, right?
02:21I've heard of it.
02:24I feel like I'm reading it differently.
02:27It's an industry term, right?
02:29I don't think it's a commonly used term.
02:34Sokochi is a term used by landlords.
02:43It's a term used by landlords.
02:49Sokochi.
02:51And the other one is shakuchi.
02:55Have you heard of it?
02:56Yes, I have.
02:58It's a term used by landlords to rent land
03:03and use it as a building.
03:09If a landlord rents a land,
03:12there is a real estate agent who builds the building.
03:16Yes, there are many real estate agents like this.
03:20This time, we went to a real estate agency
03:25that deals with the issue of shakuchi and sokochi.
03:32It takes about 30 minutes by car from Mito Interchange,
03:36which is in the center of Ibaraki Prefecture.
03:39It's a town called Shirosato.
03:43While walking on a mountain road full of nature,
03:47I came across a shop.
03:50This used to be called Hakusanso.
03:54And now it's an open-air shop.
04:00This shop stands on a quiet mountain road.
04:04It's an open-air shop with a certain problem.
04:09It used to be a hot spring inn called Hakusanso,
04:13which was founded in the 21st century.
04:15It was an inn that attracted many people
04:18mainly because it was a simple fishing inn.
04:22But in 2021,
04:25the owner passed away and the shop was closed.
04:30It has been an open-air shop for about three years now.
04:36Until two and a half years ago,
04:39we were a local association in Shirosato.
04:42We were guided by Mr. Sakamoto,
04:46who was active as a local association in Shirosato until 2022.
04:53At that time, saunas and glamping were popular,
04:57so we wondered if we could reuse this property,
05:01and we found out that it was an open-air real estate.
05:05This time, we got permission to show you the inside.
05:27The inside of the building was left as it was at that time.
05:34If it's clean, it looks good.
05:37But it's quite damaged.
05:42This is the bathroom that was the most popular.
05:48It's a little rotten, so please be careful.
05:56This is the bathroom.
05:59It's a very serious bath.
06:01Yes, it's a wooden bath.
06:07When I hear the name Hakusanso,
06:10I think there are many people in the area who talk about this.
06:17Not only in the area, but from all over the country,
06:21there are many politicians who come here.
06:26I really wanted to come here when I was doing it.
06:29I heard it was a place where many people knew.
06:34Let's go further inside.
06:37This was originally a kitchen.
06:44It was probably used to cook local vegetables,
06:48pine nuts, and shiitake mushrooms.
06:54I think they probably shook their arms here.
06:57It's been a few months since it was abandoned.
07:02Yes, it's been left as it is.
07:07I feel like it's been left as it is since my mother passed away.
07:12The next place he showed us was...
07:16This is the room where I think Sakuma was.
07:21There are probably several rooms like this.
07:23I think he was sleeping in a bed like this.
07:28When I came here a few years ago,
07:31it wasn't that bad,
07:34but now it's like it's outside.
07:37The soil has fallen from the ceiling.
07:41I feel like it's been like that for the past year or two.
07:48It was only three years ago that this white sanso became an empty room.
07:54Tear-apart wallpapers and collapsed ceilings
07:58tell of the rapid decline of an empty room.
08:04Then, why has the condition of this room continued?
08:12My mother was doing it alone, but she passed away.
08:17After that, there was no one to support her.
08:22Her daughter took over the business,
08:25but she couldn't take over the business,
08:28so she abandoned the business.
08:32She couldn't even take care of the building.
08:36That's why it's been left as it is.
08:39In fact, this white sanso
08:42is the property of the owner of the land and the building.
08:46The owner of the land and the building
08:50passed away,
08:53and her family abandoned her, including the land.
08:57The ownership of the building
09:00has been left as it is.
09:03Even though she's the owner,
09:06she doesn't have the ownership of the building,
09:09so she can't sell it or take it.
09:12She's in trouble.
09:15I understand how difficult it is
09:18for her to live there alone.
09:23I wish I could talk to her
09:26about what I should do after this.
09:32I used to have a job,
09:36but I was busy at that time,
09:39so I couldn't go there.
09:42To be honest,
09:45I can't do anything about it.
09:48But if there's someone
09:51who needs my help,
09:54I'd like them to use it.
10:01How can we solve this problem?
10:06This time, we interviewed
10:09a hot spring resort in Ibaraki.
10:12It's a nice resort, isn't it?
10:15Yes, it has a good environment
10:18and the air is fresh.
10:21It's a shame.
10:23It's been three years.
10:26It's been three years.
10:29It's a shame.
10:32It's a shame.
10:35It's a shame.
10:38It's a shame.
10:40I'd like to talk about this situation in a more detailed manner.
10:44The owner of the hotel
10:47was Mr. Nagayama, from VTR.
10:50The owner of the building
10:53was the wife of Mr. Ito.
10:56The daughter abandoned their belongings
11:00in 2011.
11:03In the current situation,
11:06the owner of the house is not there.
11:10So it doesn't belong to Jinushi-san?
11:12That's right.
11:14Jinushi-san is just a landowner,
11:17and he was lending his land to a landowner.
11:21And this building itself is owned by the landowner's wife.
11:27And this time, the child was abandoned,
11:31so it's really floating in the air.
11:36Hirose-san, it was impressive that you couldn't do anything about Nagayama-san's VTR.
11:41That's right.
11:43At that time, I really didn't have time or I couldn't do it.
11:49After all, there are many situations where you can't notice unless you try.
11:56The owner of the building is gone.
12:00And Jinushi-san is in trouble.
12:03Hirose-san, I'd like to say,
12:05why don't you do it on your own?
12:08But I'm sure Nagayama-san,
12:12even if he gets the right to the property,
12:16should he put his hands on it, spend money on it,
12:19and start over again?
12:22Or should he just leave it?
12:25I'm thinking about that.
12:28Do you have to dismantle it one by one?
12:33That's right.
12:35In order to dismantle it, you have to put in a sled or a loader.
12:42If you go to the white coral area,
12:45it's at the foot of the mountain, and the road is quite narrow.
12:50So, if you can't get in there,
12:54you'll have to pay a lot of money.
12:58You have to remove the asbestos.
13:01In the old days, there was a special way to dismantle the asbestos.
13:09It takes a lot of work.
13:12Is there a subsidy for the local government?
13:15Yes, there is.
13:17It's a problem to leave the open space as it is.
13:22There is a subsidy system.
13:25If you want to dismantle the asbestos,
13:28it's a good idea to consult with the local government.
13:32What is the solution to this problem?
13:35We'll hear from the lawyer.
13:38I think a lot of people take over the asbestos production
13:43and put their hands on it without spending any money.
13:49Today, we're going to talk about the problem of the open space.
13:54If a building is abandoned,
13:57what can be done to fix it?
14:00We'll hear from the lawyer.
14:05A building that has no owner
14:08has become an open space.
14:11It's like a white coral reef.
14:14How can we solve the problem of the open space?
14:18We'll hear from Mr. Okada, a lawyer.
14:22According to the owner of the white coral reef,
14:25the building is in a state where no one owns it.
14:30According to a request from a real estate agent,
14:33we'll take over the asbestos production
14:36and have the owner dismantle the building.
14:40A real estate agent is a person
14:43who manages and produces real estate
14:46when there are no real estate owners
14:49or when all real estate owners give up their real estate.
14:54In general, lawyers are the majority.
15:00In this case, Mr. Nagayama, a real estate agent,
15:05suggests to the family court
15:08that the court take over the real estate agent.
15:13The chosen real estate agent
15:16can get permission from the court
15:19to sell or dismantle the building.
15:24I don't think the value of a white coral reef building
15:28is zero yen.
15:31If someone wants to buy a building with asbestos,
15:38the real estate agent will sell the building
15:42and make money from it.
15:45The money will be transferred to the national treasury.
15:48As a result,
15:50the real estate agent will be able to get permission
15:55from the new owner.
15:59That's how it works.
16:01However, the process is not very smooth.
16:06It's not an easy process.
16:10In addition to the hardship of the process,
16:13there are many people who give up
16:16the real estate agent's claim.
16:20In general, the majority of people
16:23give up the real estate agent's claim
16:27because they have to pay the real estate agent.
16:31They give up the real estate agent's claim
16:35because they can't afford the real estate agent's claim.
16:39If you have only good property,
16:42you can easily get rid of the real estate agent.
16:45But if you have a small area,
16:48you can't afford the real estate agent's claim
16:51or if you have a land with a building,
16:54but the building is very old,
16:57it costs a lot to dismantle it.
17:00If you combine the land and the building,
17:03it becomes a negative asset.
17:06The cost will be higher than the value of the land.
17:10That's the possibility.
17:14The real estate agent is just a lawyer
17:17who was hired by the judiciary.
17:20If you don't have the money to solve the problem,
17:23you can't get a job.
17:26So you have to pay the real estate agent
17:29so that you can solve the problem.
17:32And you have to compensate the real estate agent.
17:35You have to compensate the real estate agent
17:38so that you can get a job.
17:41Many people can't compensate the real estate agent.
17:45In this case,
17:48is there a way to live without being an open house?
17:53If I die,
17:56I will transfer this building to a real estate agent.
17:59I will transfer this building to a real estate agent.
18:02I will transfer this building to a real estate agent.
18:05If I die,
18:08the real estate agent won't take this building.
18:11And the real estate agent
18:14will leave the building on his land
18:17in case he can get a new one.
18:20in case he can get a new one.
18:22There is such a way.
18:25Imagine what will happen
18:28if you lose this building
18:31when your home owner dies.
18:33So you can make a real estate agent.
18:37We took a look at the lawyer's story.
18:40Hirose-san, what do you think?
18:43I am still so forous about the law.-
18:46I think it's either that or change the law.
18:49Change the rules?
18:51Something like that.
18:54I was envious of you, Jinushi-san.
18:58But it can be tough sometimes.
19:01Yes.
19:02I think a lot of people don't understand that you can't do anything in this situation.
19:10And when you're renting a house, you may not know that your father used to rent it.
19:19And on the other hand, you may not know that you're renting a house.
19:28I think you have to start by understanding that.
19:32That's right.
19:33It's important to have an opinion.
19:35It's important.
19:37Let's buy it.
19:39It's important to have a discussion about how to deal with this situation.
19:48Yes, it's important to have a discussion with everyone in advance.
19:53What about your family?
19:57It's not that specific.
20:00But when I recorded the first and second episodes, I found a lot of unclear points.
20:09For example, who is that building and that land?
20:17There may be a possibility that what you think is your father's property is not.
20:23So we're going to take various measures together.
20:28I'm sure there are a lot of viewers who are thinking about it.
20:33I'd like you to look at another example of the actual coverage.
20:39This is a story from Tokyo.
20:41It's a pretty old house and property in the suburbs of Tokyo, about 70 years old.
20:48Mr. Matsuda was the one who inherited the property where his deceased parents lived.
20:54He inherited it from his parents.
20:57He lived alone in Ibaraki.
21:01He wanted to leave his parents' home.
21:03He wanted to leave his parents' home because it was a little far from Ibaraki.
21:08When he returned to his father and argued with his father-in-law,
21:12his father-in-law bought the land including the building.
21:17He was relieved that his father-in-law would buy the land and the building.
21:24I don't know why, but his father-in-law's attitude was constant.
21:28One day, he called his lawyer and said,
21:30I won't buy the building.
21:32Please return the land after dismantling it.
21:35If you don't want to, please keep paying the land tax.
21:38That's what he said.
21:41It's going to cost a lot of money to dismantle.
21:45That's right.
21:46The building was old and wide, so I think it cost a lot of money to dismantle.
21:53I didn't know that his father-in-law's attitude would change like this.
21:58I didn't know that.
22:00I thought I would get the land, but I didn't know that it would cost a lot of money to dismantle.
22:06I thought it would be strange for me to accept it.
22:10That's right.
22:11Both of you are not real estate professionals.
22:16There was a time when the negotiation didn't go well.
22:25Mr. Matsuda, who understood the seriousness of the Akiya issue,
22:29continued to pay the heating bill of his uninhabited family.
22:33He also took care of the business.
22:36He said he had been paying the land tax for about a year and a half.
22:41How should this case be solved?
22:47Basically, the land that Mr. Matsuda owns can be sold as it is.
22:57Is that so?
22:58That's right.
22:59Basically, the owner's permission is necessary.
23:06However, as long as there is no legitimate reason,
23:09he cannot refuse to sell the land.
23:14Is that so?
23:15He didn't know that he could sell the land.
23:22So, by hiring real estate professionals,
23:27he can solve the problem.
23:31In the end, Mr. Matsuda decided to ask the real estate company to buy the land.
23:38Based on the lessons learned from this issue,
23:41he learned that if there is a house that is not going to be lived in,
23:44the parent's generation must sell it or destroy it.
23:50The biggest cause of conflict is when the land changes.
23:56That's the biggest problem.
23:59So, it's important to do business in the current situation.
24:04As Mr. Hirose said, the key word is to manage the property well.
24:10That's right.
24:13In recent years, after selling the property,
24:17a method called leaseback,
24:19which continues to live in the house as a rental, has become commonplace.
24:24If you have a real estate company that is not going to live in the house,
24:28please consider these measures.
24:32So far, we have seen the difference between real estate and leaseback.
24:37But there were other differences.
24:40Mr. Murakami tried to sell his house to a woman who had no children.
24:45But there was a reason why the house was not sold.
24:48Actually, it was because there was no leaseback.
24:53Do you know what it is?
24:56I've only seen this.
24:59Are these three the same?
25:02No.
25:04The correct answer is after the announcement.
25:06I'm so nervous.
25:11In the case of Akiya, which is not going to be sold,
25:15Mr. Murakami tried to sell his house.
25:18But he couldn't because there was no sign.
25:23He said he had seen it.
25:27The correct answer is this.
25:30Because there was no sign.
25:33Are these three the same?
25:36Yes.
25:38I've only seen the left side.
25:41If there was no sign, it wouldn't have been sold.
25:46If the buyer doesn't have a sign,
25:49he can't tell the difference between real estate and leaseback.
25:53Then the buyer may argue with the buyer.
25:56So the buyer doesn't want to buy the house.
26:00In the past, there were houses that didn't have a sign.
26:05Some houses were scraped to make it hard to see.
26:10Some houses were built on the walls.
26:13Some houses couldn't be found.
26:16Some houses were buried in grass.
26:19As you said, in the countryside,
26:22it's hard to find a house in the forest.
26:27It's hard to find a house in the mountains.
26:30It's hard work.
26:32As Mr. Murakami said, there are many houses that don't have a sign.
26:37They weren't built.
26:39It's hard to tell the difference between real estate and leaseback.
26:44Are there any experts who can think of a sign?
26:48Yes.
26:49If there is no sign, it can be restored.
26:54There is a person who is qualified to do that.
27:00If you ask him, he can confirm it.
27:04It's important to have a sign in the countryside.
27:10It's important.
27:11Yes, it's very important.
27:13We talked about various problems in Akihabara.
27:17Ms. Hirose, how was it?
27:21There were so many things I didn't know.
27:29It's the same for me and my family.
27:32Even if it's not now,
27:35if something happens,
27:38if someone falls,
27:40if it happens at that time,
27:42it will be gone.
27:44I think it's important to talk about it now.
27:51Is there any Akihabara measure we can do?
27:54It's important to check the size of the house.
27:58It's also important to check if there is a church.
28:03First of all, when you go home,
28:05I think it's important to talk to each other.
28:08Ms. Hirose, when you're in trouble,
28:11I noticed that there are real estate agencies you can consult.
28:15That's right.
28:16I didn't know where to consult.
28:18I didn't even know who had the right to decide.
28:25I'm glad I found out this time.
28:27If this program continues,
28:30I'm looking forward to hearing what you talked about with your father.
28:34I'll go to his house.
28:36I'm looking forward to learning more about real estate agencies.
28:41Ms. Hirose is fighting a lot.
28:45I learned a lot from this.
28:48Everyone in front of the TV,
28:50please talk to your family about this.
28:55That's all for today.