A heated argument broke out between President Donald Trump, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, and Vice President JD Vance in the White House Oval Office. The confrontation occurred before a deal was supposed to be made between Ukraine and the United States in which Ukraine would give the U.S. critical minerals in exchange for some unspecified help in dealing with Russia's invasion. Trump and Vance accused Zelensky of being "disrespectful," ungrateful, and of gambling with starting a global war. Before the argument began, President Trump was asked by reporters if he would provide Ukraine with security guarantees, but he declined to affirmatively answer these questions. President Zelensky said Ukraine needed security guarantees and that a ceasefire would not be sufficient. A scheduled news conference between the two leaders was subsequently canceled after this meeting. https://www.c-span.org/event/white-house-event/president-trump-meets-with-ukrainian-president/431338
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00:00Well, thank you very much.
00:07It's an honor to have President Zelensky of Ukraine.
00:11And we've been working very hard, very close.
00:14So we've actually known each other for a long time.
00:16We've been dealing with each other for a long time and very well.
00:20We had little negotiations, but that worked out great, I think, for both countries.
00:26I think for the world, actually, beyond both countries.
00:29And we have something that is a very fair deal.
00:34And we look forward to getting in and digging, digging, digging, and working, and getting
00:39some of the rare earth.
00:41But it means we're going to be inside, and it's a big commitment from the United States.
00:46And we appreciate working with you very much.
00:49And we will continue to do that.
00:51We have had some very good discussions with Russia.
00:55I spoke with President Putin, and we're going to try and bring this to a close.
00:59It's something that you want and that he wants.
01:01We have to negotiate a deal.
01:04But we've started the confines of a deal, and I think something can happen.
01:09The big thing is the number of soldiers, mostly at this point, but soldiers being killed.
01:16We're losing thousands of soldiers.
01:17So on both sides, we're losing a lot of soldiers.
01:20And we want to see it stop.
01:22We want to see the money get put to different kinds of use, like rebuilding, the rebuilding.
01:28And we're going to be working very hard.
01:30But we've had a lot of very good conversations.
01:33I will say, until we came along, the Biden administration didn't speak to Russia whatsoever.
01:38They didn't speak to anybody.
01:39They just allowed this to continue.
01:43And I will say that – I'll say in front of you, you've heard me say it a thousand
01:47times – if I were President, this war would have never happened.
01:51We would have had a deal negotiated for you without having to go through what you've
01:55gone through.
01:56But you – your soldiers have been unbelievably brave.
02:00We've given them great equipment, but they – if somebody has to use the equipment,
02:03they've been unbelievably brave.
02:06And we give them great credit.
02:07This was supposed to be over very quickly, and here we are three years later.
02:13So I give tremendous credit to your generals and your soldiers and yourself in the sense
02:19that it's been very hard fighting, very tough fighting.
02:24They're great fighters, and you have to be very proud of them from that standpoint.
02:28I'm very proud.
02:29But now we want to get it over with.
02:31It's enough, right, if we want to get it over with.
02:33So it's an honor to have you here.
02:36Thank you very much for coming.
02:37We're going to sign the agreement at the conference in the East Room in a little while,
02:44right after lunch.
02:46And we'll be having lunch together.
02:48We're also discussing some other things.
02:51And we appreciate everybody being here.
02:53It's somewhat of an exciting moment, but the really exciting moment is when we get
02:57a – when they stop the shooting and we end up with a deal.
03:00And I think we're fairly close to getting that.
03:02And an honor to have you.
03:05And please, would you like to say something?
03:07No.
03:08Thank you so much, Mr. President.
03:09Thank you for invitation.
03:12And really, I hope that this document, first document, will be first step to real security
03:18guarantees for Ukraine, our people, our children.
03:22I really count on it.
03:23And of course, we count that America will not stop support.
03:27Really, for us, it's very important to support and to continue it.
03:32I want to discuss it with details further during our conversation, and of course, the
03:37infrastructure or security guarantees.
03:39Because for today, I understand what Europe is ready to do.
03:43And of course, I want to discuss with you what United States will be ready to do.
03:48And I really count on your strong position to stop Putin.
03:53And you said that enough with the war.
03:55I think that it's very important, Ben, to say these words to Putin at the very beginning
04:00– at the very beginning of war, because he is a killer and terrorist.
04:04But I hope that together we can stop him.
04:07For us, it's very important to save our country, our values, our freedom and democracy.
04:15And of course, no compromises with the killer about our territories, but it will be later.
04:22And of course, I – what I wanted – you know we spoke about it by phone with you,
04:26about the drone's production.
04:27We have very good drone's production, I think the best one in the world for today
04:31because of the war.
04:33Yes.
04:34And of course, we need very much the air defense.
04:38You have the best air defense in the world.
04:40And really, you helped us under attacks of Russians, and I want to speak how we can exchange
04:46the licenses.
04:47We are open to share the licenses of all our drones with you, of course, with the United
04:52States.
04:53And we need licenses for quick production of air defense.
04:56Even after the war, we need our nation to be calm, that we are secure.
05:01So that's why we need this air shield.
05:03And of course, about this – I want to speak about the contingents.
05:08I think that France and UK already spoke to you, and we know that Europe is ready, but
05:14without United States, they will not be ready to be as strong as we need.
05:20And then the last point, last but not least, about exchange, about our people and children.
05:27And you know that this crazy Russian, that they stolen 20,000 of children, Ukrainian
05:32children.
05:34They changed their names.
05:35They changed their families, relatives, and now they're in Russia.
05:40We want to bring them back.
05:42And really, it's a big, big dream, task and goal for me and our warriors.
05:48We – by the way, Mr. President, we brought – we exchanged – we, yes, released more
05:53than 4,000 warriors from Russian prison, but there are thousands more in the prison.
06:00I wanted to share with you some images, how it's – I've just – can I now?
06:08Yeah, please.
06:09Have I?
06:10Please.
06:11One minute.
06:12One minute.
06:13Just you to understand what the – in what circumstances, in what situation they are,
06:17and what the attitude of Russia to our prisoners.
06:20That guys, just you before and after, and you see before and after.
06:28Just you to understand.
06:29There are thousands of such guys, ladies and men there, and that – so they don't eat,
06:35they beat them, and they do a lot of bad things.
06:42So out of – even during the war, there are rules.
06:46Everybody knows there are rules during the war.
06:48These guys, they don't have any rules.
06:50You see that – 50, 60 kilograms to them, and a lot of such things.
06:57I didn't want to show you what the changes with images of children, because I will share
07:03– just share with you, and I mean, it's looking tragic.
07:07No, it's tough stuff.
07:09Yeah, I wanted very much to give you, and you see – this is pastor, by the way.
07:16They stolen pastors, because it's not Russian church.
07:19They stolen pastors and moved pastors to the prison.
07:22We – at the end of last year, we brought three pastors, and we could exchange them.
07:30This is pastor, you see.
07:33Yeah, it's tough.
07:35So I mean this, I wanted to show you, and this.
07:38So thank you very much.
07:39We want to get that entered, correct?
07:41Yeah, of course.
07:42We, of course, we will.
07:43I think we will.
07:44I think we will.
07:45We have to, of course.
07:46Do you have any questions, please?
07:47Do you have any questions, please?
07:49Mr. President, how much money is the U.S. going to put into the fund that is being created
07:57today, and how does this provide long-term security for Ukraine?
08:01Well, we don't know exactly how much, because we're going to be putting some money in
08:05a fund that we're going to get from the raw earth that we're going to be taking
08:10and sharing in terms of revenue.
08:12So it's going to be a lot of money will be made from the sale and from the use of
08:16raw earth.
08:17And as you know, our country doesn't have much raw earth.
08:20We have a lot of oil and gas, but we don't have a lot of the raw earth.
08:25And what we do have is protected by the environmentalists, but that could be unprotected.
08:30But still, it's not very much.
08:32They have among the best in the world in terms of raw earth.
08:37So we're going to be using that, taking it, using it for all of the things we do,
08:42including AI, and including weapons in the military, and it's really going to very
08:48much satisfy our needs.
08:49So it's something that just worked out really well.
08:52We have a lot of oil and we have a lot of gas.
08:54We have a lot, but we don't have raw earth.
08:56So this has just about every component of the raw earth that we need for computers,
09:03for all of the things we do.
09:04This puts us in great shape.
09:06And on long-term security for Ukraine, how does this provide it?
09:09I think they're going to have great luck.
09:11I think once we make the agreement, that's going to be 95 percent of it.
09:14It's not going to go back to fighting.
09:17I've spoken with President Putin, and I think, I mean, I feel very strong.
09:22I've known him for a long time, and I feel very strongly that they're very serious about it.
09:28And we'll make a deal.
09:29And when the deal is made, I don't think — we talk about security.
09:32Everyone was talking about it the other day.
09:34All they talked about was security.
09:35I said, let me make the deal first.
09:37I have to make the deal first.
09:38I don't worry about security right now.
09:40I have to — we have to have a deal, because right now, last week, 2,000 soldiers died
09:45on both sides — 2,000.
09:47And they're losing 1,000, 2,000, 3,000 a week.
09:51So as we sit here and we talk, people are getting shot and dying on the battlefield.
09:57And you know, they're not American soldiers, but they're Russian soldiers and they're
10:01Ukrainian soldiers, and we want to be able to stop it.
10:05And we want to be able also to spend money on other things.
10:07We don't want to — this is a tremendous amount of money.
10:10And what the Biden administration did was terrible.
10:14They were giving money, but he had no security on the money.
10:16Europe, as you know, gave much less money, but they had security.
10:19It was in the form of a loan.
10:21They get their money back, and we didn't.
10:23And now, at least we're protected, because the American taxpayer has to be protected, too.
10:28But this is an incredible agreement for Ukraine, because we have a big investment in their
10:37country now.
10:38And what they have, very few people have.
10:42And we're able to really go forward with very, very high-tech things and many other things,
10:47including weaponry — weaponry that we're going to use in many locations, but that we
10:52need for our country.
10:55This allows us to do this.
10:57Mr. President, will you continue —
10:59I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
11:01Military aid.
11:02Yes, go ahead, please.
11:03Yeah.
11:04If I can, just — yes.
11:05In the document, there is one of the very important points.
11:09If we speak about business and investment, we never had LNG terminals in Ukraine.
11:16This document will open.
11:17I mean, the next documents, but anyway, here we see in the framework, we see a really good
11:22deal for this.
11:23LNG terminals for us is very important.
11:26And I think for security of European continent.
11:29We have the biggest storage, gas storage.
11:32We have the biggest in Europe, yes, it's — yeah, and we can use it.
11:37You just for LNG, you use it for LNG, and we will do it.
11:41And really, we can help Europe, because Europe really helped.
11:45President Trump said that they made less support, but they are our friends, and they are our
11:52very supportive partners.
11:54They really gave a lot, Mr. President.
11:57They really —
11:58They did.
11:59I think —
12:00They gave a lot, but they gave much less.
12:01No.
12:02Much less.
12:03No.
12:04At least —
12:05No.
12:06Okay.
12:07Okay.
12:08Mr. President.
12:09Mr. President.
12:10Mr. President.
12:11Mr. President.
12:12Mr. President.
12:13Mr. President.
12:14Mr. President.
12:15Mr. President Trump, you have repeatedly called the deal with Ukraine as a historical one.
12:22And as a President of the United States, you make historical decisions in other issues
12:27which affect America and other world.
12:30So what place in the world history do you want to take?
12:35And do you associate yourself with any famous historical figures?
12:42Yeah, I'd say George Washington, Abraham Lincoln.
12:47I would say I'm far superior to George Washington and Abraham Lincoln.
12:52Now, you know I'm only kidding, right?
12:54Because when I say that, the fake news is going to go wild.
12:57They're going to say, he considers himself to be better than Washington.
13:00But you never know.
13:01You never know.
13:02I don't compare myself to anybody.
13:05I just — I'm here to do a job.
13:07We've had a great 35 days, or whatever it might be, a month, a little more than a month.
13:13We've accomplished tremendous amounts.
13:16Not only this.
13:17This would be a very great achievement if we could get this — the war stopped and
13:20get them back to normalization.
13:22I think that's going to happen.
13:24We've had very good talks on both sides, as you know.
13:27But I think we've done a very good job, just generally.
13:30If you look at all of the things we've done in 30 days, they're saying there's never
13:34been an opening for a President.
13:37The first month, there's never been a first month like we've had.
13:42And this is one of the very important things.
13:44This, to me, is one of the most important things, because we have tremendous death taking
13:49place as we speak.
13:50And I don't want to have that.
13:52You know, think of the parents.
13:53Think of the — whether they're in Russia or Ukraine, think of the parents of all these
13:57people being killed needlessly.
14:00They came to our turf.
14:01Should have never started.
14:03This would have — if I were President, this would have never started.
14:07Mr. President, where can I find your presentation?
14:10Mr. President, will you continue sending military aid to Ukraine after the U.S. signs this agreement
14:18with Ukraine?
14:19The question to President Zelensky, do you feel like the U.S. is on your side, that President
14:26Trump is on your side at this moment?
14:33What do you think?
14:34What do you want to know?
14:35Do you think that — sort of a stupid question.
14:39I guess we wouldn't be here if I wasn't.
14:43I think that the United States is on our side from the very beginning of occupation.
14:49And I think that President Trump is on our side.
14:53And of course, I'm sure that the United States President will not stop support.
14:59This is crucial for us.
15:00It's important for us, yes.
15:03And Putin — the President speaks about the people and the soldiers which are dying,
15:07but they came to our territory, they came to our land.
15:10They began this war, and they have to stop.
15:13And I think this is the question with — really the most important question.
15:19Can President Trump — I hope yes — with some other allies to stop Putin withdraw these
15:25enemies, our enemies, withdraw these troops from our land?
15:30And I think that you asked about the history.
15:33I think that if President or when he will stop Putin, if President Trump will bring
15:39peace to our country, I think he will be on this wall.
15:43We've had very, very good talks.
15:46Mr. President, Mr. President —
15:47Mr. President, Mr. President —
15:48Mr. President —
15:49Mr. President —
15:50Mr. President, Mr. President —
15:51President Zelensky just said that there will be no compromises with Vladimir Putin.
15:59I just wanted to ask both of you, firstly, are there compromises that you think that
16:03President Zelensky is going to have to make?
16:05And, President Zelensky, is there anything that you might be thinking that you may be
16:09able to offer or bring to the table, for example, elections?
16:12I think you're going to have to always make compromises.
16:15You can't do any deals without compromises.
16:17So certainly he's going to have to make some compromises, but hopefully they won't be as
16:22big as some people think you're going to have to make.
16:24That's all.
16:25That's all we can do.
16:27As an arbitrator, as a mediator, to a certain extent, between two parties that have been
16:32very hostile — to put it mildly, they've been very hostile — there's been a vicious
16:36war.
16:37There's been a vicious war.
16:39You know, it's a very level battlefield, and those bullets go out.
16:42And as I've said many times — we were talking about it with Pete — many times, the only
16:47thing stopping those bullets is a human body.
16:50And in the case we're talking about, generally, young human bodies are stopping a lot of bullets.
16:55It's dead level.
16:56That's why it's great farmland.
16:58It's great land.
16:59It's great farmland.
17:00But there's very little protection against the bullets that are being — and other things
17:04that are being shot.
17:06So all I can do is see if I can get everybody at the table and get an agreement.
17:12I think we're going to end up with an agreement.
17:13Otherwise, I wouldn't probably be even here today.
17:16Mr. President, do you think — Mr. President, I've got two questions for you.
17:22Do you think, ultimately, your legacy will be the peacemaker and not the president that
17:27led this country into another war and ended foreign wars?
17:31And then I've got a question.
17:33I hope it will.
17:34I mean, I hope I'm going to be remembered as a peacemaker.
17:39This is — this would be a great thing if we could do this.
17:42I'm doing this to save lives more than anything else.
17:45Second is to save a lot of money, but I consider that to be far less important.
17:49So I hope I'm going to — thank you, Brian, for that question.
17:51It was a nice question.
17:53I hope I'll be known and recognized as a peacemaker.
17:57This would be a great thing to solve.
17:58This is a very dangerous situation.
18:01You know, this could lead to a third world war.
18:03This is — this was headed in the wrong direction.
18:06If this election were lost — if we didn't win this election — and by the way, we won
18:11it by a lot.
18:12That was a mandate.
18:13We won every swing state.
18:15We won the popular vote by millions and millions of votes.
18:18We won everything.
18:20The districts — if you look at the areas of red, take a look at a map.
18:24This was a big mandate.
18:25And this was one of the things I said, we're going to get this thing settled.
18:31If we didn't win, I think this would have — this could have very well ended up in
18:34a third world war.
18:36And that would not — that would not have been a good situation.
18:39What was your second question?
18:40My second question for President Zelensky, do you ever — why don't you wear a suit?
18:45Why don't you wear a suit?
18:47You're the highest level in this country's office, and you refuse to wear a suit.
18:52Just want to see people — do you own a suit?
18:53Yeah, yeah.
18:54Problems.
18:55A lot of Americans have problems with you not respecting the dignity of this office.
18:59I will wear a costume after this war will finish.
19:04Yes.
19:05Maybe —
19:06Maybe something like this?
19:07Maybe something like yours, yes.
19:09Maybe something better.
19:10I don't know.
19:11We will see.
19:13Maybe something cheaper than — yeah.
19:18Thank you, President Trump.
19:19Thank you, President Trump.
19:21Thank you, President Trump.
19:22You said yesterday that you —
19:23Mr. President, are you going to send more arms to Ukraine in peace?
19:24There's no peace.
19:25Yeah, we're going to have arms to Ukraine, yeah, sure.
19:29Hopefully I won't have to send very much, because hopefully we're going to have it
19:33finished.
19:34We're looking forward to finishing this quickly.
19:36We're not looking forward to sending a lot of arms.
19:39We're looking forward to getting the war finished so we can do other things.
19:44But we very much appreciate the agreement, because we needed what they had.
19:48And we're treating — you know, our country is now treated fairly.
19:52Biden didn't do that.
19:53Biden didn't — he didn't know what the hell he was doing.
19:55This should have never happened.
19:56This should have never started.
19:58But you know, sure, the answer is yes.
20:01But hopefully we won't have to send much, because I'm looking forward to getting it
20:06done quickly.
20:07Very quickly.
20:08Does that mean you won't provide security guarantees, Mr. President?
20:12I don't want to talk about security yet, because I want to get the deal done.
20:16You know, you fall into the same trap like everybody else a million times.
20:19You say it over and over.
20:20I want to get the deal done.
20:22Security is so easy.
20:23That's about 2 percent of the problem.
20:25I'm not worried about security.
20:27I'm worried about getting the deal done.
20:29The security is the easy part.
20:31Security is very nice.
20:32Everybody stops shooting.
20:34And now will Europe put people there?
20:36I know France is going to.
20:37I know the U.K. is going to.
20:39I know other countries are going to, and they happen to be right next door.
20:43We haven't committed, but we could conceivably.
20:45You know, we have security in a different form.
20:47We'll have workers there digging, digging, digging, taking the raw earth so that we can
20:53create a lot of great product in this country.
20:57So in that sense, you have something.
20:59But we haven't determined that yet.
21:01I will say, in speaking to France and in speaking to — and they were here, as you
21:05know, last week and just the other day — they have committed to a lot of security.
21:12I don't think you're going to need much security.
21:14I think once this deal gets done, it's over.
21:17Russia is not going to want to go back, and nobody is going to want to go back.
21:21When this deal ends, I really believe this deal is going to be over.
21:25Yeah.
21:26Please, go ahead.
21:27Go ahead.
21:28Thank you, sir.
21:29Mr. President, thank you.
21:30You had Justin Macron and Keir Starmer at the White House this past week, both of whom
21:34praised your courage and conviction to lead the pathway towards peace.
21:38Part of that involved, though, reengaging Russia in diplomatic relations, something
21:42that previous leaders lacked — the conviction to do so.
21:45What gave you the moral courage and conviction to step forward and lead that?
21:48Well, I love this guy.
21:49Who are you with?
21:50One American News, sir.
21:51Well, that's — well, I like him.
21:54One American News does a great job.
21:56That's very — I like the question.
21:58I think it's a very good question.
21:59It is — it's a pathway to peace.
22:01It's a pathway to getting something solved.
22:05And I feel that, as the head of this country, I have an obligation to do that.
22:09Plus, you know, we're very much involved.
22:11We got involved.
22:12It's too bad we got involved, because there should have been no involvement, because there
22:17should have been no war.
22:18And there shouldn't have been October 7th.
22:21That would have never happened.
22:22As you know, Iran was broke.
22:23They had no money to give to Hezbollah.
22:25They had no money to give to Hamas.
22:28They were stone-cold broke.
22:30And then, under Biden, they became rich as hell.
22:33They went from no money to $300 billion in a period of four years.
22:40And they gave a lot of that money away, and you see what happened.
22:43And that's a real mess also that we hope to be able to solve.
22:47But no, I appreciate your question very much.
22:50It's just, I feel I have an obligation to try and do something to stop the death.
22:56If I can answer.
22:58Yes, if I can answer.
23:00Sorry.
23:01Please.
23:02And I do like your clothing, by the way.
23:03Yeah, really?
23:04Even though I have to...
23:05I think he's a great guy, by the way.
23:07But I don't know if you two like each other.
23:09But you know what?
23:10I think he's dressed well.
23:11I like this guy.
23:12I don't know.
23:13I think he's dressed beautifully.
23:14So, I have more serious things than answer on such a question.
23:19I will answer on more serious question if I can.
23:22Yeah, so, please.
23:24About security guarantees and about just ceasefire, we can't just speak about ceasefire and speak
23:30and speak.
23:31It will not work.
23:32Just ceasefire will never work because I'm like a president.
23:36I have this experience and not only me.
23:40Ukraine before my presidency, from the 2014, Putin broken 25 times, 25 times.
23:48He broken his own signature 25 times.
23:53He broken ceasefire.
23:54But he never broke to me.
23:55He never broke to me.
23:56No, no.
23:57You were the president.
23:58You were the president during...
23:59He never broke to me.
24:00In 2016, you've been the president, Mr. President.
24:03You've been the president.
24:04But he had, of course, not with you.
24:07But he had during those period, he had conversations with our side.
24:12And we had Normandy format, you know, the France, Germany, Ukraine, and Russia.
24:16And he broken 25 times.
24:18That's why we will never accept just ceasefire.
24:22It will not work without security guarantees.
24:25Security guarantees, maybe president is right about this document and other, but this document
24:30is not enough.
24:31Strong army is enough because his soldiers afraid, Putin's soldiers afraid of our soldiers
24:37when we strong enough.
24:38If we are not strong enough, we are empty.
24:41If our storage is empty, we can't defend our land.
24:45Today, you know, he knows that we have...
24:48All the world knows that we have meeting, yes?
24:50Why he's using ballistic?
24:52Putin today using ballistic on our hospitals, schools, and it says ballistic.
24:57So he knows that we are here and that President Trump is really have goodwill to stop this
25:03war.
25:05And you hear now the president.
25:07So why he's using?
25:08So he doesn't want to stop.
25:10He doesn't want.
25:11But I hope that we will do it, really, we'll do it.
25:15When we speak about security guarantees, when the Europeans are ready for contingence,
25:20they need USA backstop.
25:24If there will not be United States, we will not never have any contingence, strong contingence
25:28from the Europeans because they don't want to divide alliance, connection between the
25:33United States and the main and strongest ally and Europeans.
25:38This is crucial.
25:39This is important.
25:40That's what we want to speak about very much.
25:43This is very important.
25:44And air defense.
25:47So air defense, really, we have big deficit with all the systems and we need to provide
25:52this.
25:53We need it very much.
25:55Otherwise, Putin will never stop and will go further and further.
25:59He doesn't want.
26:00He hate us.
26:01You know?
26:02It's not about me.
26:03He hate Ukrainians.
26:04He thinks that we are not a nation.
26:07He thinks and he shared this thought.
26:09I think maybe with your team also.
26:10I don't know.
26:11With all the Europeans in media, officially and not, he always said that there is no such
26:17country, such nation, such language and such life like Ukrainian.
26:22No.
26:23He really doesn't respect all the Ukrainians and he wants destroy us.
26:29And you are right, Mr. President, that's 2 percent.
26:35This document, maybe other documents, it's very good start, very good, but it will not
26:40enough to stop this person.
26:43Should Russia pay to rebuild Ukraine?
26:45Mr. President, I have your question.
26:47Should Russia pay to rebuild Ukraine?
26:49They have to pay.
26:51This is the rule of the war.
26:53This is the rule of the war.
26:55During all the centuries, all the history, this is the rule of the war.
26:58Who began, those pay.
27:01This is the rule.
27:03Putin began this war.
27:04He has to pay all money for innovation.
27:07He has to pay.
27:08Of course, some Russian assets, what we have in Europe, about 300 billions, we can use
27:15them.
27:16We can use for innovation and buy military support from the United States also.
27:20We can do it.
27:21But it's not enough.
27:22It's not enough.
27:23Mr. President, I ask this question that you didn't like because I wanted to know if you
27:35want to position yourself in the middle between Russia and Ukraine or on the Ukraine side.
27:41I'm in the middle.
27:42I want to solve this thing.
27:43I'm for both.
27:44I want to get it solved.
27:46And it's wonderful to speak badly about somebody else.
27:51But I want to get it solved.
27:53If we can solve it, great.
27:55If we can't solve it, they're going to have to fight it out.
27:57And who knows what's going to happen.
27:59But I want to see it get solved.
28:01May I follow up?
28:02One more question about U.S. troops in Europe.
28:05After Russian invasion of Ukraine, your predecessor sent additional troops to Eastern Europe,
28:12including Poland, my country.
28:15Are you committed to keeping these troops on the eastern flank of NATO in the future?
28:24I'm very committed to Poland.
28:26I think Poland has really stepped up and done a great job for NATO.
28:30As you know, they paid more than they had to.
28:33They are one of the finest groups of people I've ever known.
28:37I'm very committed to Poland.
28:39What about Baltics?
28:40Poland is in a tough neighborhood.
28:41What about the Baltics?
28:43The Baltics, they got a lot of...
28:47It's a tough neighborhood, too.
28:49But we're committed.
28:50We're going to be very committed.
28:52And we're committed to NATO.
28:54But NATO has to step up.
28:55And the Europeans have to step up more than they have.
28:58And I want to see them equalized.
28:59Because they are in for far less than we're in.
29:02And they should be at least equal.
29:04You understand that?
29:06Why is the United States...
29:07We have an ocean in between.
29:09Why is the United States in for so much more money and other things?
29:12As Europe.
29:14With that being said, and as you said,
29:16they've also been obviously very helpful.
29:18But we have put in far more than they have.
29:21And I think they should equalize.
29:24Mr. President, I'm really curious.
29:26Mr. President, I'm going to ask you about the agreement again today.
29:28What changed between the first time that Secretary Vessin
29:30gave President Zelensky the agreement and today for the signing?
29:34We made a deal.
29:35I'm just...
29:37I'm a business person.
29:39We made a deal.
29:40That's what changed.
29:41Mr. President, I didn't think we were going to make a deal.
29:44And we ended up making the deal.
29:47So that changed.
29:48Mr. President, what and how do you envision a trilateral summit
29:50with President Zelensky and Putin?
29:52I don't know.
29:53But it's...
29:54Well, they don't like each other.
29:55I can tell you that.
29:56They do not like each other.
29:58This is not a love match.
29:59And it's unfortunate.
30:01That's why you're in this situation.
30:03The United States should not have allowed this to happen.
30:07Okay?
30:08The United States, run by a man that didn't know much...
30:14I'm going to be very nice...
30:16Run by an incompetent person, very incompetent person,
30:20should never have allowed this to happen.
30:23I've stopped wars.
30:24I've stopped many wars.
30:25My people will tell you.
30:26I stopped wars that nobody ever heard about.
30:28I stopped wars before they ever started.
30:30You can look at some of...
30:32Some of...
30:33I could give you a lot of nations that would tell you right now
30:36they were probably going to war.
30:37I could tell you right now there's a nation thinking about
30:40going to war on something that nobody in this room has ever
30:43even heard about.
30:44Two smaller nations.
30:45But big.
30:46Still big.
30:47And I...
30:48About?
30:49I think I've stopped it.
30:50But this should have never happened.
30:52Mr. President...
30:53About...
30:54About...
30:55Sorry.
30:56Just a second.
30:57About the...
30:58Any negotiations.
30:59First of all, I want...
31:00I want really to tell you, and I think that everybody
31:03understands that Ukraine, modern Ukrainians, nobody wants
31:07to stop this war.
31:08But in the future, any negotiations, it's understandable
31:12that two sides of the war, not Russia and the United States
31:17because this is not the war between Russia and the United
31:21States.
31:22This is war of Russia against Ukraine and Ukrainian people.
31:25So these two sides will be at the...
31:28Anyway, will be at the negotiation table.
31:31Then, of course, United States, like the strongest partner
31:35of the Ukraine.
31:36And, of course, Europe.
31:37I think Europe is very important.
31:39I want to speak about it with the President.
31:42Yes, Europe is very important for us because we really defend
31:46Europe for today.
31:47All Europeans really recognize that we are defending life.
31:51And they have real life.
31:53And our people are dying.
31:55That's why they helped us.
31:57And also, it's about the nature.
31:59Yes, between, like the President said, you have big,
32:03nice ocean.
32:04Yes, between us.
32:05But if we will not stay, Russia will go further to Baltics
32:09and to Poland, by the way.
32:11But first to the Baltics.
32:13It's understandable for them because they've been in the
32:17USSR.
32:18You know, they've been one of the republics of the USSR.
32:22And Putin wants to bring them back to his empire.
32:27It's a fact.
32:28And when he will go there, if we will not stay,
32:32you will fight.
32:33You're American soldiers.
32:34It doesn't matter.
32:35Do you have ocean or not?
32:36Your soldiers will fight.
32:37Mr. President, would you be willing to visit Ukraine,
32:41maybe Kiev or Odessa, which is going to be a 30-year-old
32:46black sea?
32:47It was my question.
32:48I'm sorry.
32:49I don't want to talk about Odessa now.
32:51Let's not talk about Odessa.
32:52I want to talk about making a deal,
32:55getting peace.
32:56We don't have to talk about Odessa.
32:58But a lot of cities have been destroyed.
33:00A lot of cities that are not recognizable.
33:03There's not a building standing.
33:05No, no.
33:06You have to come, Mr. President.
33:08You have to come and to look.
33:09No, no, no.
33:10We have very good cities.
33:11Yes, a lot of things have been destroyed but mostly cities
33:15alive and people work and children go to school.
33:19Sometimes it's very difficult.
33:20Sometimes closer to front line.
33:22Children have to go to underground schools or online
33:26but we live.
33:27Ukraine is fighting and Ukraine lives.
33:30This is very important.
33:31And maybe it's Putin sharing this information that he
33:35destroyed us.
33:36He lost 700,000 people, 700,000 soldiers.
33:41He lost everything.
33:42Yes.
33:43Mr. President, one more.
33:47Hold on.
33:48Please, go ahead.
33:49When did you last speak with President Putin and what did
33:53he say?
33:54A couple of days ago.
33:55And what did he tell you that gave you the assurance
33:57that he wanted peace?
33:58Well, that's what I do.
33:59My whole life is deals.
34:00I know pretty good.
34:01And I really, I've known him for a long time.
34:06I've dealt with him for a long time.
34:08He had to suffer through the Russia hoax.
34:11You know, Russia, Russia, Russia was a hoax.
34:13It was all Biden.
34:14It was nothing to do with him.
34:16So he had to suffer through that.
34:18And he was able to do that.
34:19I think that he wants to make a deal and he'd like
34:22to see it end.
34:23It's all I do.
34:25That's what I do.
34:26My whole life, that's what I do is make deals.
34:28I'm in the middle of a mess because this is a real mess.
34:32It's a very dangerous one.
34:34If this doesn't get solved now, it's not going to get
34:37solved for a long time.
34:39So I hope we're going to, I hope we're going to get
34:41it solved.
34:42In the back, please.
34:43Thank you, Mr. President.
34:44Mr. Farmer claims repeatedly that his
34:46government believes in free speech and is not
34:48engaged in censorship.
34:49But his country's government arrests people
34:51for memes and crimes, and even more worrisome is
34:54pressuring American companies to censor
34:58Americans on his behalf.
35:00How can he be a reliable, trustworthy partner when
35:02he says things that are demonstrably false on such
35:05an important level?
35:06Well, we actually spoke to him about that yesterday,
35:08and we thought they took it very, very much too far.
35:11J.D. was very strong on it.
35:14So was I.
35:16So was Marco.
35:17And we've been speaking to him about it.
35:19Marco, would you like to say something about it?
35:21Yeah, we have concerns, obviously, with the
35:23conduct of this, particularly as it impacts
35:25Americans.
35:26And there's real concern that American speech, which
35:28is online, could fall into the hands of British or
35:30any country's jurisdiction.
35:32And so this is a point the Vice President made of
35:34Munich, and I think it's a very compelling one, that
35:36what unites us with Europe as much as anything else is
35:39these shared values, and one of them being free
35:41speech.
35:42And so if Americans are threatened by it, we're
35:44going to need to take action in that regard.
35:46Mr. President, it's actually a very important
35:50question.
35:51We spoke about this in detail with the Prime
35:53Minister, the Foreign Secretary, and others at
35:55lunch yesterday.
35:56And I know that Secretary of Commerce Lutnig followed
35:59up in private meetings last night.
36:02This is really important.
36:03We believe Americans have the right to speak their
36:05mind, even if we in this room disagree with them.
36:07They have the right to speak their mind in the
36:09public square, which is often online these days.
36:12And we're going to defend that right as it pertains
36:14to American companies and American citizens
36:17vigorously if we have to.
36:18I do think that under the President's leadership,
36:20we're going to find common ground with our friends in
36:23the U.K.
36:23on this question, but it remains to be seen.
36:26The principle that will guide us is we believe in
36:28free speech in this country, and we'll fight
36:30for it for American citizens.
36:32The Press.
36:32The Press.
36:33The Press.
36:34The Press.
36:34The Press.
36:35The Press.
36:36The Press.
36:36A little bit, we'll see, but we're not really
36:40looking for that so much.
36:41We got a lot.
36:41We have more than anybody in the world by far.
36:44So, no, we're not talking about it too much.
36:46But a little bit, I think it affects also.
36:49But for the most part, no.
36:59No.
37:00We don't need that.
37:06Just to be clear, that's a new call, not the one that you've spoken to.
37:09I've spoken to him on numerous occasions.
37:12Okay.
37:13And how was the latest call?
37:14What did you discuss?
37:15How did it go?
37:16Are you serious with that question?
37:17I am.
37:18I'd love to know.
37:19It went well.
37:20I think we're going to have a deal.
37:21On the minerals deal, Mr. President, some of those minerals are in the east of Ukraine,
37:27not far from the front lines and in areas that Russia has occupied.
37:31Will you direct President Putin to withdraw his forces from those areas if there's U.S.
37:36interests?
37:37Well, we'll take a look at the time.
37:38We have a lot of area.
37:39It's a very big area we're talking about.
37:42So we'll take a look.
37:43I'll study that and I'll see.
37:44And who would protect those minerals if they are U.S. interests?
37:47Would that be Ukrainian forces?
37:48They'll be protected.
37:49The agreement will protect them.
37:50U.S. forces?
37:51The agreement, yeah.
37:52We're signing an agreement.
37:53So you're saying that when Russia tries to invade or there's Russian aggression, you'll
37:54respond?
37:55I just told you, I don't think that's going to happen.
37:59And if that were going to happen, I wouldn't make a deal.
38:01If I thought that was going to happen, I wouldn't make a deal.
38:03So some people may wonder why-
38:05You know, you ought to focus on CNN on survival, not asking me these ridiculous questions.
38:10Focus on surviving, because CNN's got such low ratings, I don't think they're going to survive.
38:17Let's go.
38:18One more.
38:19This is already, I already mentioned Poland.
38:23Poland was under Russian control for decades after the Second World War.
38:28When I was a kid, I looked at the United States not only as a most powerful country, richest
38:35country in the world, the country that has great music, great movies, great muscle cars,
38:41but also as a force for good.
38:44And now I'm talking with my friends in Poland, and they are worried that you align yourself
38:50too much with Putin.
38:52What's your message for them?
38:55Well, if I didn't align myself with both of them, you'd never have a deal.
39:00You want me to say really terrible things about Putin and then say,
39:05Hi, Vladimir, how are we doing on the deal?
39:07That doesn't work that way.
39:09I'm not aligned with Putin.
39:10I'm not aligned with anybody.
39:12I'm aligned with the United States of America.
39:14And for the good of the world.
39:16I'm aligned with the world.
39:18And I want to get this thing over with.
39:20You see the hatred he's got for Putin.
39:22It's very tough for me to make a deal with that kind of-
39:24He's got tremendous hatred.
39:26And I understand that.
39:28But I can tell you the other side isn't exactly in love with him either.
39:33So it's not a question of alignment.
39:36I'm aligned with the world.
39:38I want to get the thing set.
39:40I'm aligned with Europe.
39:42I want to see if we can get this thing done.
39:45You want me to be tough?
39:47I could be tougher than any human being you've ever seen.
39:49I'd be so tough.
39:51But you're never going to get a deal that way.
39:53One more question.
39:55I will respond to this.
39:57So look.
39:58For four years in the United States of America,
40:00we had a president who stood up at press conferences
40:02and talked tough about Vladimir Putin.
40:04And then Putin invaded Ukraine
40:06and destroyed a significant chunk of the country.
40:09The path to peace and the path to prosperity
40:12is maybe engaging in diplomacy.
40:15We tried the pathway of Joe Biden
40:18of thumping our chest and pretending
40:20that the President of the United States' words
40:22mattered more than the President
40:24of the United States' actions.
40:26What makes America a good country
40:28is America engaging in diplomacy.
40:30That's what President Trump is doing.
40:32Can I ask you?
40:33Sure.
40:34Yeah?
40:35Yeah.
40:36Okay.
40:37So he occupied our parts,
40:40big parts of Ukraine,
40:42parts of East and Crimea.
40:44So he occupied it in 2014.
40:48So during a lot of years...
40:52I'm not speaking about just Biden,
40:54but those time was Obama,
40:56then President Obama,
40:58then President Trump,
40:59then President Biden,
41:00now President Trump,
41:02and God bless,
41:03now President Trump will stop him.
41:05But during 2014, nobody stopped him.
41:07He just occupied and took.
41:09He killed people.
41:10You know what the contact time...
41:122015.
41:132014.
41:142014 to 2016.
41:152014.
41:16I was not here.
41:17Yeah, but...
41:18That's exactly right.
41:19Yes, but during 2014 till 2022,
41:22you know, the situation the same,
41:25that people have been dying
41:27on the contact line.
41:29Nobody stopped him.
41:30You know that we had conversations
41:32with him,
41:33a lot of conversation,
41:34my bilateral conversation.
41:36And we signed with him, me,
41:38like a new president in 2019,
41:41I signed with him the deal.
41:43I signed with him Macron
41:46and Merkel.
41:47We signed ceasefire.
41:49Ceasefire.
41:50All of them told me
41:51that he will never go.
41:53We signed with him gas contract.
41:56Gas contract.
41:57Yes, but after that,
41:59he broken the ceasefire.
42:01He killed our people
42:02and he didn't exchange prisoners.
42:05We signed the exchange of prisoners,
42:07but he didn't do it.
42:09What kind of diplomacy, JD,
42:11you are speaking about?
42:12What do you mean?
42:14I'm talking about
42:15the kind of diplomacy
42:16that's going to end
42:17the destruction of your country.
42:18Mr. President,
42:19Mr. President, with respect,
42:20I think it's disrespectful
42:21for you to come
42:22into the Oval Office
42:23and try to litigate this
42:24in front of the American media.
42:25Right now,
42:26you guys are going around
42:27and forcing conscripts
42:28to the front lines
42:29because you have
42:30manpower problems.
42:31You should be thanking
42:32the president
42:33for trying to bring
42:34it into this conflict.
42:35Have you ever been to Ukraine
42:36that you say
42:37what problems we have?
42:38I have been to...
42:39Then come once.
42:40I've actually watched
42:42and seen the stories
42:44and I know
42:45what happens
42:46is you bring people,
42:47you bring them
42:48on a propaganda tour,
42:49Mr. President.
42:50Do you disagree
42:51that you've had problems
42:52bringing people
42:53into your military?
42:54We have problems.
42:55And do you think
42:56that it's respectful
42:57to come to the Oval Office
42:58of the United States of America
42:59and attack the administration
43:00that is trying
43:01to prevent
43:02the destruction
43:03of your country?
43:04A lot of questions.
43:05Let's start from the beginning.
43:06Sure.
43:07First of all,
43:08during the war,
43:09everybody has problems.
43:10Even you.
43:11But you have nice ocean
43:12and don't feel now
43:13but you will feel it
43:14in the future.
43:15God bless.
43:16You don't know that.
43:17God bless.
43:18God bless.
43:19You will not have the war.
43:20Don't tell us
43:21what we're going to feel.
43:22We're trying to solve a problem.
43:23Don't tell us
43:24what we're going to feel.
43:25I'm not telling you
43:26because you're in no position
43:27to dictate that.
43:28That's exactly what you are.
43:29You're in no position
43:30to dictate
43:31what we're going to feel.
43:32We're going to feel
43:33very good.
43:34You will feel influence.
43:35We're going to feel
43:36very good
43:37and very strong.
43:38You will feel influence.
43:39You're right now
43:40not in a very good position.
43:41You've allowed
43:42yourself to be
43:43in a very bad position
43:44and he happens
43:45to be right about it.
43:46From the very beginning
43:47of the war,
43:48Mr. President,
43:49I was upset.
43:50You're not in a good position.
43:51You don't have the cards
43:52right now.
43:53With us,
43:54you start having cards.
43:55I'm not playing cards.
43:56I'm very serious,
43:57Mr. President.
43:58You're playing cards.
43:59I'm very serious.
44:00You're gambling
44:01with the lives
44:02of millions of people.
44:03You're gambling
44:04with World War III.
44:05You're gambling
44:06with World War III
44:07and what you're doing
44:08is very disrespectful
44:09to the country,
44:10this country
44:11that's back to you
44:12far more
44:13than a lot of people
44:14said they should have.
44:15Have you said
44:16thank you once
44:17the entire meeting?
44:18No.
44:19In this entire meeting
44:20that you said thank you,
44:21you went to Pennsylvania
44:22and campaigned
44:23for the opposition
44:24in October
44:25all for some words
44:26of appreciation
44:27for the United States
44:28of America
44:29and the President
44:30who's trying
44:31to save your country.
44:32Please.
44:33You think that
44:34if you will speak
44:35very loudly
44:36about the war
44:37you can speak?
44:38He's not speaking loudly.
44:39He's not speaking loudly.
44:40Your country
44:41is in big trouble.
44:42Can I answer?
44:43No, no.
44:44You've done a lot of talking.
44:45Your country
44:46is in big trouble.
44:47I know.
44:48You're not winning.
44:49You're not winning this.
44:50You have a damn good chance
44:51of coming out okay
44:52because of us.
44:53Mr. President,
44:54we are staying
44:55in our country,
44:56staying strong
44:57from the very beginning
44:58of the war.
44:59We've been alone
45:00and we are thankful.
45:01I said thanks
45:02in this cabinet
45:03and not only
45:04in this cabinet.
45:05We gave you
45:06through this stupid president
45:07$350 billion.
45:08We gave you
45:09military equipment
45:10and you met up brave
45:11but they had to use
45:12our military equipment.
45:13If you didn't have
45:14our military equipment
45:15if you didn't have
45:16our military equipment
45:17this war would have been over
45:18in two weeks.
45:19In three days.
45:20I heard it from Putin.
45:21In three days.
45:22This is something
45:23you...
45:24Maybe less.
45:25In two weeks.
45:26Of course, yes.
45:27It's going to be
45:28a very hard thing
45:29to do business like this.
45:30I tell you
45:31just say thank you
45:32except that there are
45:33disagreements
45:34and let's go
45:35litigate
45:36those disagreements
45:37and let's go
45:38litigate those disagreements
45:39rather than trying
45:40to fight it out
45:41in the American media
45:42when you're wrong.
45:43We know that you're wrong.
45:44But you see
45:45I think it's good
45:46for the American people
45:47to see what's going on.
45:48I understand.
45:49I think it's very important.
45:50That's why I kept
45:51this going so long.
45:52You have to be thankful.
45:53You don't have the cards.
45:54I'm thankful.
45:55You're buried there.
45:56You have people that die.
45:57I can tell you
45:58you're running low
45:59on soldiers.
46:00Listen.
46:01You're running low
46:02on soldiers.
46:03It would be a damn
46:04good thing
46:05and then you tell us
46:06I don't want to cease fire.
46:07I don't want to cease fire.
46:08I want to go
46:09and I wanted this.
46:10Look.
46:11If you could get
46:12a cease fire
46:13right now
46:14I'd tell you
46:15you'd take it
46:16so the bullets
46:17stop flying
46:18and your men
46:19stop getting killed.
46:20Of course we want
46:21to stop the war.
46:22But you're saying
46:23you don't want
46:24to cease fire.
46:25But I said to you
46:26I want to cease fire.
46:27With guarantees.
46:28Because you'll get
46:29a cease fire
46:30faster than a degree.
46:31Ask our people
46:32about cease fire
46:33what they think.
46:34It doesn't matter
46:35for you
46:36It was with Obama.
46:37It was your president.
46:38Excuse me.
46:39That was with Obama
46:40who gave you sheets
46:41and I gave you javelins.
46:42Yes.
46:43I gave you the javelins
46:44to take out
46:45all those tanks.
46:46Obama gave you sheets.
46:47In fact,
46:48the statement is
46:49Obama gave sheets
46:50and Trump
46:51gave javelins.
46:52You've got to be
46:53more thankful.
46:54Because let me tell you
46:55you don't have the cards.
46:56With us
46:57you have the cards.
46:58But without us
46:59you don't have any cards.
47:00One more question
47:01to Mr. Vice President.
47:02I'm sorry.
47:03It's going to be
47:04a tough one.
47:05I'm sorry.
47:06It's going to be
47:07a tough deal to make
47:08because the attitudes
47:09have to change.
47:10What if Russia
47:11breaks the cease fire?
47:12What if Russia
47:13breaks the cease fire?
47:14What do you do then?
47:15I understand that
47:16it's a heated
47:17conversation right now.
47:18What are you saying?
47:19She's asking
47:20what if Russia
47:21breaks the cease fire?
47:22What if they
47:23what if anything?
47:24What if a bomb
47:25drops on your head
47:26right now?
47:27Okay.
47:28What if they broke it?
47:29I don't know.
47:30They broke it with Biden
47:31because Biden
47:32they didn't respect him.
47:33They didn't respect
47:34Obama.
47:35They respect me.
47:36Let me tell you
47:37Putin went through
47:38a hell of a lot with me.
47:39He went through
47:40a phony witch hunt
47:41where they used him
47:42and Russia
47:43Russia, Russia, Russia.
47:44You ever hear
47:45of that deal?
47:46That was a phony
47:47that was a phony
47:48Hunter Biden
47:49Joe Biden scam.
47:50Hillary Clinton
47:51shifty Adam Schiff.
47:52It was a
47:53Democrat scam.
47:54And he had to
47:55go through that.
47:56And he did go through it.
47:57We didn't end up
47:58in a war.
47:59And he went
48:00through it.
48:01He was accused
48:02of all this.
48:03He went through it.
48:04He was accused
48:05of all that stuff.
48:06He had nothing
48:07to do with it.
48:08It came out
48:09of Hunter Biden's
48:10bathroom.
48:11It came out
48:12of Hunter Biden's
48:13bedroom.
48:14It was disgusting.
48:15And then they said,
48:16oh, oh,
48:17the laptop
48:18from hell
48:19was made by Russia.
48:20The 51 agents.
48:21The whole thing
48:22was a scam.
48:23And he had
48:24to put up with that.
48:25He was being accused
48:26of all that stuff.
48:27All I can say
48:28is this.
48:29He might have
48:30broken deals
48:31with Obama
48:33with Bush.
48:34And he might
48:35have broken
48:36them with Biden.
48:37He did.
48:38Maybe.
48:39Maybe he didn't.
48:40I don't know
48:41what happened.
48:42But he didn't
48:43break them with me.
48:44He wants to make
48:45a deal.
48:46I don't know
48:47if he can make
48:48a deal.
48:49The problem
48:50is I've empowered
48:51you to be
48:52a tough guy.
48:53And I don't
48:54think you'd be
48:55a tough guy
48:56without the United
48:57States.
48:58And your
48:59people are
49:00very brave.
49:01But you're
49:02not.
49:03But you don't
49:04have the cards.
49:05But once we
49:06signed that deal,
49:07you're in a
49:08much better
49:09position.
49:10But you're
49:11not acting at
49:12all thankful.
49:13And that's
49:14not a nice
49:15thing.
49:16I'll be
49:17honest.
49:18That's not
49:19a nice thing.
49:20All right.
49:21I think
49:22we've seen
49:23enough.
49:24What do
49:25you think?
49:26This is
49:27going to be
49:28great television.
49:29I will say
49:30that.