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00:00TSUKUBA UNIVERSITY
00:11Good morning.
00:12Good morning.
00:13I'm Sakamoto, your reporter for today.
00:20Let me introduce today's guests.
00:24Mr. Atsuko Higashino, a professor at Tsukuba University, specializing in international politics in Ukraine and Europe.
00:30Good morning.
00:31Good morning.
00:32Nice to meet you.
00:34Mr. Kazuhiro Maeshima, a professor at Joachim University, specializing in foreign policy in modern America.
00:40Nice to meet you.
00:41Nice to meet you.
00:42Mr. Tetsuyo Kotani, a professor at Meikai University, specializing in international relations.
00:47Mr. Kotani, nice to meet you.
00:51Nice to meet you.
00:53Today, I'm here with these three guests.
00:57Now, let's take a look at what's going on.
01:00It's been almost three years since the invasion.
01:03Today, I'm going to talk about the Ukrainian border between Russia, the United States, and Europe.
01:12The keyword is, where are our enemies?
01:15Mr. Sakamoto.
01:16It's been three years since the Ukrainian invasion of Russia.
01:22The meaning of the phrase, where are our enemies?
01:25It's a song called Ukraina imada hodo viz.
01:29It means that our enemies will disappear like dew under the sun.
01:33Ukrainians have been attacked by other countries.
01:37It's a song about the history of threatening independence.
01:41It's been three years since the end of the war.
01:44At the moment, Russia is trying to decide the contents of the war without Ukraine or Europe.
01:54From Ukraine's point of view, I don't know if the United States is an ally or an enemy.
01:59Today, I would like to ask the experts where the war is going.
02:04And a month has passed since President Trump took office.
02:09This is also a movement.
02:11It's been more than a month since President Trump took office.
02:14There have been more than 100 movements that are beyond expectations.
02:19From Japan's point of view, there is a feeling that they are doing too much on the issue of Ukraine, such as tariffs and immigration.
02:28Mr. Kotani, you are in the United States.
02:30Are you in Washington right now?
02:32The Trump administration has been doing a lot of things in a month.
02:38What kind of atmosphere do you see in the acceptance of the general public in the United States?
02:46Since last year's presidential election, Mr. Trump has been saying that he will stop the war in Ukraine in 24 hours,
02:55and that he will stop the war in Ukraine in 24 hours.
03:00What he's trying to do in this month itself,
03:05there are some things that call for debate, but it's unexpected.
03:12But especially those who have been in the administration,
03:17among those who have been in the administration, the Elon Musk administration,
03:23which is a government official, has fired a lot of federal employees and temporarily fired them.
03:29This is more than expected.
03:32I felt that they were using the federal government to their advantage.
03:41Mr. Maeshima, what will happen in this month?
03:44As Mr. Kotaini said, it's unexpected.
03:47I don't expect anything at all.
03:51What America is now is that in history,
03:54the division of the ethnic group, and last year's election was 1.48 points apart,
03:59so it's a division of the ethnic group.
04:01In the division of the ethnic group and division of the ethnic group,
04:04you have to solidify your ideology.
04:06I could already see it moving like this.
04:08In addition, the movement of Elon Musk will also be like this.
04:13I think it will be difficult for people who actually work in Washington,
04:18but if the big goal is to crush some of our federal government,
04:24it will all look like deja vu, as expected.
04:29From Japan's point of view, it seems that the direction and the direction have reversed.
04:34I think it will be on the screen from now on.
04:37The C-to-C reversal is like this.
04:40I think this is from the PINIAC,
04:46but the C-to-C has been reversed from the beginning.
04:49So it's like this.
04:51But in the history of America,
04:55it's the first time that C-to-C has been reversed so quickly.
04:59But that's not the point.
05:01I'm glad that Trump is a superhero for the Communist Party.
05:06I think the Democratic Party supporters are thinking,
05:09get out of here, what is this?
05:11There are 90 supporters of the Communist Party,
05:13and 4 supporters of the Democratic Party.
05:15This number has been like this since the beginning.
05:17It's been like this for a month.
05:19So the division is getting worse.
05:22But I think this division itself is also unexpected.
05:26Trump knows this,
05:28so he doesn't look at the Democratic Party supporters.
05:30How to reduce the number of supporters of the Communist Party.
05:34The biggest one is the Republican Party.
05:37The Republican Party is 20% to 25% of the population.
05:41It may be about 6 times the voting rate,
05:43but more than 80% of the votes go to Trump.
05:45This is the most hot spot.
05:47Then, this is the center of both the outside and the inside.
05:51When you go to the inside,
05:53there's no one like a man.
05:55You can leave the C-to-C reversal to the government.
05:57There are a lot of things like that.
05:59There are also things like crushing climate change.
06:01So I think it's a populist government that moves while looking at the climate.
06:09After the commercial break, we'll have a special report.
06:11It's been almost three years since the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
06:14What happened to the U.S. and Russia's ceasefire?
06:17Let's think about the ceasefire that started without the parties involved.
06:25On the 18th, in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia,
06:28a trade deal between the U.S. and Russia for the Ukrainian ceasefire was held.
06:37From the U.S., Secretary of State Rubio and Vice President Waltz,
06:41from Russia, Foreign Minister Lavrov, etc.
06:48It is said that the meeting lasted four and a half hours.
06:52What did President Trump say about the meeting with Russia?
07:11On the other hand, what did President Zelensky say about the meeting without Ukraine?
07:21He said that there was room for discussion in these three years and before that.
07:25He said it could have been solved more easily.
07:43He made a statement that questioned the legitimacy of President Zelensky.
07:49Such claims have been repeated by Russian President Putin.
07:57Regarding this, Mr. Zelensky said,
08:00Even if you try to replace me now, it won't work.
08:05Mr. Trump, who stated that the support rate was 4%,
08:09argued that he was trapped in Russian fake information.
08:14Then, on the 19th, Mr. Trump criticized Mr. Zelensky
08:19for calling him a dictator who has not passed the election.
08:28In addition, Mr. Zelensky warned that if he did not act quickly,
08:32the country would not remain.
08:35Both parties have a gap.
08:39The gap is not only between Mr. Trump and Mr. Zelensky.
08:45On the 14th, US Vice President Bannon said at the Security Conference
08:49that Russia is not the threat that Europe should be most concerned about,
08:53nor is it China.
08:56He said it was inside Europe.
08:59He criticized Europe and called for a rebellion from each country.
09:03Europe, which seems to be more alert to America than Russia,
09:07held an emergency meeting with the French President Macron
09:11on the 17th.
09:14Following the 17th, an emergency meeting was also held on the 19th,
09:18and the situation in which negotiations are underway between the two countries
09:22was discussed by Europe and its partners.
09:27It has been almost three years since the Ukraine invasion began.
09:31Will the ceasefire continue under the leadership of the US?
09:38The first topic of the special issue was the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
09:42It was a very serious issue.
09:45It was a very serious issue.
09:48It was a very serious issue.
09:51It was a very serious issue.
09:54The first topic was the reality of the US-Russia ceasefire.
09:57The first topic was the reality of the US-Russia ceasefire.
10:00The first release of the Ukrainian-Ukrainian ceasefire negotiations was on the 18th,
10:03The first release of the Ukrainian-Ukrainian ceasefire negotiations was on the 18th,
10:06in the capital of Saudi Arabia, Riyadh.
10:09The US side was attended by Secretary of State Rubio
10:12and Secretary of State Waltz, who is in charge of national security guarantees,
10:15and the White House, who is in charge of the Middle East.
10:18The Russian side was attended by Foreign Minister Lavrov
10:21and the Russian President, Vladimir Putin.
10:24There were no people from Ukraine or Europe.
10:27There were no people from Ukraine or Europe.
10:30The talks lasted four and a half hours,
10:33and the US Secretary of State issued a statement after the talks.
10:36There are four items here.
10:39When you read this, it is written that the two sides are acceptable to the end.
10:42When you read this, it is written that the two sides are acceptable to the end.
10:45The problem is how to do it.
10:48The President of France, Macron, is expected to meet with President Trump in the United States on the 24th of next week, and the British Prime Minister, Mr. Sturman, is expected to meet with President Trump on the 27th of next week.
10:59President Macron has said that he is not going to be weak in front of President Putin.
11:06There is a view that he may meet with President Putin at the end of this month.
11:12President Trump is confident that he has the power to put an end to this war.
11:19President Putin of Russia has said that he is happy to meet with Donald Trump even though he needs to prepare for the outcome.
11:31According to Ukrainian and Western authorities, President Trump is going to meet with President Putin on the 20th of April and on the 9th of May.
11:43Mr. Takamoto.
11:44Mr. Higashino, I think the common wish of the world is to put an end to this war as soon as possible because people are dying.
11:52On the other hand, there was a principle that Russia, which started the invasion war, should not be a war zone, including the United States, Japan, and Europe.
12:00The United States seems to have overturned this trend.
12:04What does Ukraine think about this trend?
12:07The Ukrainian side has repeatedly said that it should not put an end to the war by opening the east, west, and north.
12:23It has repeatedly said that it is important for Ukraine to have a one-sided war.
12:29It seems that it has received a good reaction every time.
12:34However, if you look at what has happened in the past few days, you can see that Ukraine's claims have not been accepted.
12:41It seems that the U.S. has started the war.
12:47I think there is a lot of opposition to the way they negotiate.
12:51However, this is not the starting point for negotiations.
12:56This is what the Ukrainians are saying.
12:59I think they are looking at how to change President Trump's perception of the situation from now on and put their views into it.
13:09As a general guideline for a ceasefire, is the 20th of April or the 9th of May the anniversary of the war?
13:18I have also participated in Moscow and covered it.
13:21Does this become one of the hindrances?
13:23I think it is very difficult to put an end to the war.
13:28The reason why the 20th of April or the 9th of May came up is that President Trump has said that the war will be a 24-hour ceasefire.
13:36After his inauguration, he said that it will be a half year or a shorter period of time.
13:43For example, the end of April or the beginning of May is a period shorter than half a year.
13:51If he finds an anniversary date for the meeting, it will be the 20th of April or the 9th of May.
13:59However, he is not saying that it will be the 20th of April or the 9th of May because there is a contradiction.
14:06Therefore, I think it is very difficult to come up with a consensus here.
14:12Mr. Aishima, you said that you were not surprised by the movement in the past month.
14:17Are you not surprised by this movement?
14:19I am not surprised by this movement, and I am not surprised by the 20th of April Easter.
14:26Why is that?
14:27As Mr. Shinoshino said, it is quite suspicious whether it can be done or not.
14:31However, the reason for the Easter is that it is the Nationalist Party.
14:36The Nationalist Party has an easy-to-understand name.
14:39What is the Nationalist Party?
14:41In Japan, this may be misunderstood.
14:45For example, the American people who support the Trump administration are fighting a cultural war.
14:50For religious people, they are fighting diversity, gender equality, and racial equality.
15:01For the Fukui people, Russia is an ally of the cultural war.
15:08So, they are supporting Russia in line with the Fukui people.
15:15Earlier in the VTR, Mr. Trump said that he is a dictator who has not been elected.
15:21In fact, Mr. Trump did not say this suddenly.
15:25He has been saying this since last year.
15:27For example, when you look at Fox News, you can see it.
15:30There is a caster called Taka Carlson.
15:33This caster has been expelled from Fox News.
15:36He has been saying the same thing over and over again.
15:39He has been saying that Zelensky is like Taka Carlson who comes to the United States.
15:44So, what we think from the American point of view is that Russia is the enemy of the United States.
15:51For the conservatives in the United States, Russia is a better relationship than Ukraine.
15:58If you look at it that way,
16:00you can see that Mr. Trump's movement is that he is an ally of the cultural war and that the enemy is inside.
16:08The liberals in the United States and the liberals all over the world are the enemies.
16:13Russia is a country that suppresses diversity.
16:17So, it is more of a machine relationship with the conservatives in the United States.
16:21If you look at it that way, you can see that it is completely different from the times when the United States was supported by Ukraine.
16:29Mr. Kotani, I would like to ask you about the recent statements of President Trump and President Zelensky.
16:36President Trump has made various statements about Ukraine.
16:41For example, he said that he is a dictator who has not won the election.
16:50Just by looking at it, you can see that his support rate is 4% and that the United States has already spent 5.3 trillion yen.
16:58In fact, it looks like the Ukrainian side has started a war.
17:01From our point of view, I think there are about three obvious mistakes.
17:05Where does his statement come from?
17:09I think that President Trump originally looked down on President Zelensky.
17:17As Dr. Maishima just said, the Russian side and the Ukrainian side of President Trump are
17:25greatly influenced by the right-wing critics, including Tucker Carlson.
17:33Also, President Trump has been stepped down twice since his first term.
17:38The first step was the phone conversation with President Zelensky.
17:45He said, if you want weapons support, operate Hunter Biden.
17:51There is also a bit of a social grudge.
17:56More recently, President Zelensky circulated the important trade deal with Ukraine that the Americans proposed.
18:10President Zelensky criticized President Trump from the front because he thought he was living in a space of false information.
18:19I think that's what set the fire.
18:23Dr. Yoshida, I was paying attention to this exchange.
18:26Every day, when President Trump makes a statement, it's uncommon to look at it from the Ukrainian side.
18:31When he says something strict, President Trump says something even stricter.
18:34On the other hand, President Zelensky said, if Putin wants, we can occupy all the way.
18:46On the other hand, President Zelensky said, it can't be helped even if we intensify the confrontation.
18:51It looks like he's saying, let's stop it.
18:54What do you think about this series of heat-ups?
18:57I think that the relationship between the United States and Ukraine is in a very critical situation.
19:06However, I don't think it's going to stay that way.
19:12For example, last September, President Trump met with Zelensky directly in the United States.
19:18And at the end of last year, President Macron met with Zelensky in Paris.
19:24At that time, it was a very peaceful atmosphere.
19:27President Zelensky proposed a victory plan for a ceasefire to President Trump.
19:34It's like a joint press conference.
19:39However, looking at the current situation, President Trump is overwriting various things for President Putin.
19:48Or it's overwritten with Russian input.
19:51And then there's the 4% support rate, which is a number without much basis.
19:56And then there's the rare earths.
19:59As Mr. Kotani said earlier, it's from the Ukrainian side.
20:03It's because they provide rare earths that they want a long-term security guarantee for Ukraine.
20:11As for the rare earths, it's like a thank-you gift that the United States has supported so far.
20:17It's like that, so it's hard to say a lot about it.
20:21Rather, I think they're thinking that Ukraine is in a very bad situation.
20:27However, I heard that the Ukrainian side is now switching gears and making various strategies on how to change Trump from here.
20:38The distribution of Ukraine's resources has come out.
20:41This is the rare earth that Mr. Higashino was talking about.
20:44This yellow part.
20:45That's right.
20:46As you can see from this distribution of rare earths, there are many areas dominated by Russia.
20:56This red area.
20:57Yes, the red area.
20:58In addition to that, there are areas scattered with blue dots.
21:05At the time when Russia occupied the eastern, southern, and western regions of Ukraine,
21:10I think it's quite difficult for the United States to say how much they want rare earths.
21:16The Ukrainian side said,
21:18Russia's occupation is something that the United States should not do.
21:24Apparently, if Ukraine kicks this American plan,
21:30Trump can only talk about this between Russia.
21:33He can only talk about this between Russia.
21:36Russia is now looking at this and is asking Chinese companies for subsidies.
21:42I heard that there are companies in China that are actively willing to accept it.
21:49So, in the worst case, the United States and Russia will make a deal for Ukraine's rare earth support,
21:54and Chinese companies will enter it.
21:57It's not impossible to have a nightmare scenario.
22:00One more thing.
22:01There is a three-stage peace treaty that the United States is drawing up.
22:05There is a ceasefire.
22:06The Ukrainian presidential election.
22:08There was a statement earlier that it was a dictatorial group that did not receive an election.
22:12What about this?
22:13It's a war now, so you can't run for office because you have a resolution.
22:16Yes.
22:17The resolution was issued after the invasion.
22:20And according to the resolution, you can't run for office.
22:26In Japan, as well as in the United States,
22:30people say that Zelensky is a dictator and doesn't want to run for office because he doesn't want to run for office.
22:36There is a restriction on that law.
22:39And the Ukrainian civic organization.
22:41As I said last year, there are hundreds of organizations.
22:44Even if they run for office at this stage,
22:47missiles may be shot at the polling station.
22:51In other words, election interference may be made by Russia and the election results may be manipulated.
22:57So they're saying that we shouldn't do it now.
23:02So this is not very good.
23:04It's not at all a situation where one Zelensky can suppress it and not let him run for office.
23:09In the first place, if there is no invasion by Russia, the presidential election can be held normally.
23:14If President Trump wants to have a presidential election in Ukraine so far,
23:19it means that Russia will withdraw from Ukraine as soon as possible.
23:24Japan also played a major role in the Second World War.
23:27If you look at the history of each country, there are a lot of examples, including the UK, where elections were not held during the war.
23:32For example, from the point of view of Russia and the United States,
23:37do you have any expectations that the Zelensky administration will be able to change the election?
23:42I don't think President Trump wants to create a new administration.
23:47However, as one of the evasions against Ukraine,
23:51I think he's getting on the point that he's not doing it when he should be doing the presidential election.
23:57However, it is certainly a theory that misinterprets the cause and effect.
24:03After the commercial break, let's see what happens to the new international order.
24:07The world is in chaos due to the current situation of the war and the future.
24:22Three years have passed since the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
24:26Meanwhile, Russia occupied about 20% of the territory of Ukraine,
24:30and in September 2022, it declared a four-week ceasefire in the east and south.
24:36Currently, the election has not moved much, but the number of dead in the military alone is 43,000 in the Ukrainian army and 198,000 in the Russian army.
24:46With the addition of civilians, the number of dead will increase even more.
24:51As a politician, when I talk to members of the House of Representatives,
24:56I am told that the Yalta talks are approaching the second Yalta talks.
25:02At the end of the Second World War, in February 1945,
25:08the leaders of the United States, the United Kingdom, and the Soviet Union, which were at war at the time, gathered to decide the post-war situation.
25:14For example, the division of East and West Germany,
25:17and in the secret agreement, the Soviet Union handed over the Chishima Islands to Japan in exchange for joining the war against Japan.
25:24This is the origin of the Hoppoledo problem now.
25:27In short, what was done at this time was that the major powers in the war drew a border line on their own and divided interests.
25:37What we are doing now is a division of the facts by the United States and Russia.
25:45If you look at it from the bottom, you can see that there is a lot of talk about Ukraine.
25:49I hear a lot about that kind of movement.
25:53China is also involved in the Yalta situation.
25:56Earlier, I mentioned that China is involved in the underground resources.
25:59I heard that the United States, Russia, and China seem to be trying to do other international affairs in these three countries.
26:07President Trump said that if Russia wanted to revive Russia to G7 and G8, Ukraine's problem may not have occurred.
26:19This is the second Yalta I mentioned.
26:22This is a movement that decides the order of the war in the form of a winner in a country that has caused an invasion war, for example.
26:38And Trump wants to bring Russia back to G7.
26:42What is Trump's intention in reversing the trend of moving Crimea out of G7 in 2014?
26:51First of all, the fact that Russia will be revived in G7 was driven out of G8 because there was a move to Crimea.
27:04For Trump, it was President Obama who led this rather than the fact.
27:11Since Obama brought Russia out of G8, the war in Ukraine began.
27:17If that's the case, we should bring Russia back to G8. That's the logic.
27:22Another big reason to bring Russia back to G8 is that Russia has been economically dependent on China since the war began.
27:36For President Trump and the Trump administration, China is the biggest enemy.
27:42Russia is now tied to China.
27:45Or, through this war, Iran and North Korea are also supporting Russia.
27:51The biggest goal is to separate this new axis of evil and make China independent.
28:00In the meantime, in order to bring Russia to this side, we need to bring it back to G8.
28:05And if we give it an international status, it will be possible to separate Russia from China.
28:11I think it's probably a naive idea, but that's what I think.
28:16When that happens, the new Yalta talks will decide everything in the U.S., Russia, and China.
28:22As for Russia, President Trump thinks it is a country that will decline from now on.
28:28I don't think Russia has any problem with having influence in some parts of Europe.
28:33However, I think there is probably a lot of resistance to China expanding its influence in Asia.
28:41I don't think the new Yalta talks will work unless President Trump intends to deal only with China.
28:55Mr. Maeshima, I would like to ask you the same question.
28:58There is talk that a new Yalta talks will be held by the U.S. and China.
29:05From the U.S. point of view, the first competitor is China.
29:09In that sense, Russia has a lot to do with China.
29:12What do you think about this?
29:14It's almost the same as Mr. Kotani's opinion, but from a slightly different perspective.
29:19For Trump, it's faster to talk to a big country.
29:24That's why it's Russia.
29:27As for Ukraine and other G7 countries, they are allies and allies.
29:37So, depending on the U.S., economically and militarily, it's easy to control.
29:44If you use very bad words, it's easy to mess up.
29:48It's easy to control.
29:50If you talk to Russia, it's easy to control.
29:53If you talk to Russia, it's easy to control.
29:58If you talk to China, it's easy to control.
30:01It's the same as Mr. Kotani's opinion.
30:04China is the enemy, but it's easy to talk to Russia.
30:10China wants to cut off relations with Russia.
30:15It's not a three-nation Yalta, but a two-nation Yalta.
30:20In that sense, I want to talk to a big country and decide.
30:23As for China, I want to control it.
30:26Ms. Higashino, please go ahead.
30:28I'm sorry. I was talking about the order of Yalta.
30:32In the end, this is the order of the warring states.
30:35It started with what kind of order the warring states wanted.
30:39But when you look back at history, you shouldn't forget that
30:43Roosevelt trusted Stalin too much.
30:46In a situation close to what Stalin said,
30:49he recognized his father on the east side.
30:52And while Stalin and Churchill were at odds,
30:55in the end, Stalin...
30:57But the British couldn't ignore their influence that much.
31:01As soon as the Yalta Treaty was over,
31:03the warring states became more and more united,
31:05and the division of East and West began.
31:07The Yalta Treaty was a failure.
31:09You can see right away that the Yalta Treaty was a failure.
31:12The failure of the Yalta Treaty
31:15was a huge responsibility for the United States.
31:19The United States led the war,
31:21President Trump led the war,
31:23and they talked to Russia to decide the division of East and West.
31:26I think it was a very ironic meeting.
31:28I don't think we should repeat this kind of historical failure.
31:33Ms. Higashino, one more thing.
31:35Earlier, we saw a map of the underground resources.
31:37We also saw a map of the occupied territory.
31:39If we have to stop the war,
31:41if we have to make some kind of compromise,
31:43what we're thinking between the United States and Russia
31:46is to draw a line in the occupied territory of the East and West,
31:53and on top of that,
31:55we can share our opinions on the underground resources.
31:58Between Ukraine and the United States,
32:00we can talk about cooperation as a prerequisite.
32:02Is that how it's going to work?
32:04Each and every one of them is contradicting each other.
32:07First of all, if we sign an economic cooperation agreement with Ukraine,
32:11and if the United States gets Ukraine's rare earths and mineral resources,
32:17what will happen to Russia's occupation of the territory?
32:21If that happens,
32:22it's close to handing over the front line at this stage to Russia,
32:27so is Russia going to let go of the rare earths?
32:30So, as I said earlier,
32:32the U.S. and Russia are going to take Ukraine's land,
32:35and they're going to take Ukraine's mineral resources.
32:38And as I said earlier,
32:40the front line is going to be fixed,
32:42but if we just look at Russia's efficiency,
32:45the East, the West, and the North are all Russia's.
32:48And it's all decided by a collective agreement,
32:51so Russia is not self-governing.
32:53For example, some parts of Helsinki and Zaporizhzhia
32:56have already become Russia's,
32:58if we look at Russia's efficiency.
33:00So, is Russia going to step in there
33:03and admit that Russia is not self-governing?
33:07That's one possibility.
33:09So, at some point,
33:11the front line will be decided,
33:13and Russia and Ukraine will be at the border.
33:18If that happens,
33:19there will be a fierce war at the border.
33:23It will get even fiercer.
33:25You can easily imagine that.
33:27So, all of this is going to happen.
33:30The Trump administration,
33:32or the President himself,
33:34is going to throw a high-strength bomb
33:36and make some adjustments.
33:38But in the current situation,
33:40for example, if the President is angry,
33:43he will go to Zelensky.
33:45And the target of his anger
33:47is the underground resources.
33:49He's going to do something that hasn't been discussed.
33:52But if we talk about that,
33:54is there a possibility that the U.S. and Ukraine
33:57will commit to a more balanced
33:59low-flying competition
34:01based on the treatment of the underground resources?
34:04I think there is.
34:06But that depends on how much
34:08the U.S. wants Ukraine's rare earths.
34:11They want them right now.
34:13They're at war right now,
34:15so there's no way the U.S.
34:17is going to go after them right now.
34:21So, if the U.S. resolves the occupation,
34:24and then goes after them,
34:26it's going to take years.
34:28I don't think the Trump administration
34:30is going to be able to do that.
34:32So, if they don't get the U.S. right now,
34:35it could mean that they've already quit.
34:38So, I don't know if Trump is going to throw it out,
34:41or if he really wants the rare earths.
34:43He can't just rely on China.
34:45So, I don't know if he's going to talk to Ukraine
34:48about the U.S.
34:50or the U.S.
34:52Is the underground resources
34:54a very important issue for Trump?
34:56Yes.
34:58But, as Mr. Hinoshino said,
35:00we know that it can't be done right away.
35:02So, when it comes to the part
35:04where Russia is occupying right now,
35:06I don't think it's going to be easy.
35:09I personally think that
35:11if Russia and the Trump administration
35:15don't cooperate,
35:17it's going to get worse.
35:19I think that's a big problem.
35:21I'd like to go back to the very beginning.
35:24There's a picture of Vytokov
35:26in the US-Russia trade agreement.
35:28He's a member of the Middle East.
35:30Thank you very much.
35:32He's not the only one.
35:34He's also a member of Ukraine.
35:36He's in charge of Russia.
35:38So, he has to be a part of this.
35:40If he's not,
35:43Mr. Kellogg
35:45knows about Ukraine.
35:47As a member of the United States,
35:49he supports Ukraine
35:51to a certain extent.
35:53He's the kind of person
35:55who thinks we have to do this.
35:57But, he's the one
35:59who put Mr. Vytokov in.
36:01This is because
36:03he's a real estate agent
36:05who helped Trump
36:07in the Middle East.
36:09He's a friend of golf.
36:12He's a person who reflects
36:14his intentions 100%.
36:16This is the kind of scenario
36:18he's in.
36:20There are various negotiations
36:22going on.
36:24He's a person
36:26who listens to Russia.
36:28So, I think it's hard
36:30to change this scenario.
36:32Europe and Ukraine
36:34are completely
36:36out of the negotiations.
36:38So, I think
36:40it's a problem
36:42to make a decision.
36:44As Mr. Maeshima said,
36:46there is no room for negotiation.
36:48We'll see how Europe
36:50will respond in the future.
36:54We'll see how
36:56Europe and the world
36:58will move from here.
37:00We'll see who will stop
37:02the ego of the big powers.
37:04The Trump administration
37:06has a policy
37:08of sending NATO troops
37:10to Ukraine.
37:12It's a policy of sending
37:14peacekeeping forces
37:16to Europe.
37:18It's a policy of
37:20building a framework
37:22for Ukraine's defense.
37:24US Vice President
37:26Vance gave a speech
37:28at the Munich Security Council
37:30last week.
37:32He said the threat
37:34is not Russia or China.
37:36He said it's a threat
37:38to the peace and democracy.
37:40Europe is completely against it.
37:42German Chancellor
37:44Schultz clearly denies
37:46Mr. Vance's statement.
37:48EU representative
37:50for the Crows
37:52is trying to challenge
37:54us.
37:56The gap between
37:58the US and Europe
38:00is getting bigger.
38:02Mr. Sakamoto.
38:04What do you think
38:06of the European side's
38:08response and
38:10whether Europe is
38:12a trap?
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42:17Since the Trump administration came into force,
42:20they have been focusing on the Western Hemisphere,
42:24such as regaining control of the Panama Canal and purchasing Greenland.
42:34One of the reasons is that China's influence does not reach the Western Hemisphere.
42:41At that time, Europe was basically the same as the Monroe Doctrine.
42:47Europe and the United States basically had nothing to do with each other.
42:52I think that this 19th century idea is what is driving the current Trump administration.
42:59The problem is not the influence of China on a global scale,
43:05but the influence of China's influence in Asia and the Indo-Pacific region.
43:10To counter this influence, they are trying to consolidate the Western Hemisphere first,
43:14and then pull out of Europe's mess and focus on China.
43:18That's the kind of strategy they're planning.
43:21However, I think they are making a decisive decision
43:25because they are currently dismantling the USAID.
43:31By reducing the influence of the West,
43:34the influence of the United States in the global South has decreased,
43:38and China is giving them a chance.
43:43However, I think it is true that the current Trump administration is not paying much attention to this.
43:49Mr. Higashino.
43:51It seems that the United States is not involved in the NATO-like things that draw attention from Europe.
43:58Isn't it very simple?
44:00Does the United States continue to be interested in and military involved in Europe?
44:04However, the statement that Europe should take care of itself in Europe
44:09is not only about the Trump administration,
44:12but also about the fact that the Democratic Party and the European Union
44:16have consistently sought strategic legitimacy in Europe.
44:19Europe, especially President Macron,
44:22does not have to be told by the United States,
44:25but the United States has said that it must take care of itself in terms of security and security.
44:30The old and new problems that have been lingering until now
44:35have become more urgent problems due to the appearance of the Trump administration,
44:41but it has been in that direction for a long time.
44:45However, I don't think that the U.S. would have been able to push the U.S.-EU confrontation
44:52with the United States as a prerequisite,
44:55but the fact that the Trump administration was able to do so
44:58and that it was still in that direction means that Europe has already accepted it.
45:02So, there is talk of the European Union.
45:05For example, there is talk that Europe is weak if it does not have to make the European Union from Zelensky.
45:10Or, there is a growing debate centered around the UK and France
45:14about whether or not this can be avoided.
45:17After all, there was such a background.
45:20Japan has not been reported much, but Japanese Foreign Minister Iwai
45:23has said that Russia should not be a war zone.
45:26Even now, the G20 talks with various countries in the global south.
45:31I think that Europe and Japan are important points in this fluctuating order,
45:36but what should Japan do?
45:39Last year, I often said in the era of the Kishida administration,
45:43that today's Ukraine is tomorrow's Taiwan.
45:48So, to admit that the situation has changed,
45:52is to admit that China has changed.
45:56To admit that Russia has changed,
45:59is to admit that China has changed.
46:02After all, this is not good.
46:05It's not good to be like this in a foreign country's ego.
46:08So, it's quite difficult.
46:11The Trump administration may be troublesome,
46:14but we have to stop the movement of Ukraine,
46:17which is now following Russia in the United States.
46:20In order to do so, we have to use a lot of wisdom.
46:23Next, it is important to think about China.
46:26As Japan, we have to use a variety of wisdom.
46:29That's what I think.
46:32That's all for the special.
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48:27The three-year break is likely to lead to a certain direction.
48:34The three-year break is likely to lead to a certain direction.
48:37Mr. Higashino, where are you paying attention?
48:39I think it's the general election in Germany.
48:42I'm also concerned about the results.
48:45There are several cases of intervention by Russia.
48:49Germany is not at war, but there is such an intervention.
48:53I would like to take this opportunity to think about the results of the election in Ukraine.
49:03There is also a statement from the United States that supports the Uighurs.
49:09I'm also concerned about the fact that the Uighurs support the Trump administration.
49:15France and the United Kingdom are also supporting the Uighurs.
49:21I think the Uighurs will pay attention next week.
49:31Mr. Higashino, Mr. Maeshima, and Mr. Kotani, thank you.