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00:00I have a video that you sent of Jordan.
00:03Oh, look at us. This is works, OK?
00:05Of Jordan chipping.
00:06And just can you just help us understand this whole VSP thing?
00:11Well, I'm still trying to learn to it.
00:13But what I can tell you is that Jordan is is his angle attacks much steeper.
00:19He he's always told me that he likes driving his chips.
00:23And I was like, what is that?
00:24What does that even mean?
00:25But when you see it on tape right here, you see how outside he takes it.
00:29Like this is not under. It's not shut.
00:32Well, I guess he can he can chip with a little bit more of a shut face
00:35because of his left wrist angle.
00:37Think of Brooks Koepka, think of Dustin Johnson,
00:41guys that played with lead wrist flexion.
00:43He plays with that.
00:45And Scottie Shuffler as well, like very similar to this.
00:48He gets it very steep and outside on the way back.
00:52And he's coming down angle attack wise.
00:54I mean, just right on top of it and doesn't make a divot.
00:57So and this was something Joe talked about that, no, laying up, you know,
01:00just that there for so long,
01:03the seemingly the line of thought around pitching the ball,
01:07chipping the ball has been, oh, you got to get shallow.
01:09You got to get shallow. It's kind of feel inside.
01:11And this is the thing he's been kind of railing against.
01:13And I guess he said that there are a lot of different ways to get it done.
01:16It's just that steep is not bad.
01:19Can you explain a little bit why that's that's the line of thought
01:23that Joe's putting out to do what that he wants people to understand?
01:26Well, I don't understand quite the math
01:28when it comes to the vertical swing plane, angle of attack, spin, loft,
01:32all those things that he talked about.
01:34I, I could probably feel it and tell you it's like, oh, it's it's,
01:38you know, it's the shaft, you know, being much more like this.
01:41It's set up or standing a little closer to the ball.
01:44Things that I probably already do in my pitching and chipping
01:46because I feel like I'm a good chipper that I naturally have always done
01:53that probably translate to that math being correct.
01:55But what I do know with chipping is that when you get inside
01:59and you try to help it up and you have a bunch of knee flex
02:03and you're into the earth, like you're not getting standing taller on the way up.
02:07These are all fields that I've always had, but just translate to the proper numbers
02:12where you measure it and you see, you know, like Jordan, for instance,
02:16he cuts everything with pitching like he doesn't hit very many draw pitches.
02:20He can. He probably had to shut the face.
02:22But typically everything he does is with a cut motion.