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00:00This year, there was a big news to write an ancient novel.
00:10In the Yoshinogari Ruins in Saga Prefecture, a stone coffin was discovered in the late Yayoi period.
00:20Where was Himiko, the queen of the Yamatai Kingdom, the biggest mystery of ancient history?
00:30The attention was drawn again.
00:37The name of the Yoshinogari Ruins spread all over the country in the Heisei Era.
00:45People were fascinated by the huge village that emerged from the excavation.
00:52I thought it was great that people from thousands of years ago were doing such a great thing.
01:00However, this land was originally planned to be the site of an industrial complex.
01:07It was destined to be rebuilt after the excavation.
01:12It was this scoop that changed the course of history.
01:18I remember making a lot of noise by myself.
01:25After the news broke, the site was transferred to the Yoshinogari Ruins Preservation Theater.
01:32What was behind it?
01:35At the same time, there was a writer who paid attention to the Yoshinogari Ruins.
01:42Seicho Matsumoto.
01:45I don't know exactly where the Yamatai Kingdom was.
01:54Is it in Kinai, the center of Nara?
01:58Or is it in Kyushu?
02:01While the debate about the location of the Yamatai Kingdom continues...
02:06What is the Yoshinogari Fever of Heisei, which left a mark there?
02:25The Yoshinogari Ruins
02:31The Yoshinogari Ruins in Saga Prefecture.
02:34It is the site of the largest nursing home in Japan, which is over eight times the size of the Tokyo Dome.
02:45It was the Yayoi era 2,000 years ago.
02:48In this land, our ancestors, the Yayoi, lived.
02:55And the Yamatai Kingdom is in this land.
03:00Maybe the queen Himiko ruled this land.
03:05The ruins wrote an ancient Japanese novel.
03:12The turning point of civilization is February 23, 1989.
03:18On this day, a social phenomenon called the Yoshinogari Fever occurs due to mass media coverage.
03:28The first point of view is the people of the area.
03:35Developers and conservationists.
03:38There were people from various positions involved in the ruins, such as excavation workers and developers.
03:47The fervor around the Yoshinogari, which sprang up with the dawn of Heisei.
03:53Another story approaching the back of the stage.
03:57In 1989, when the era had just changed to Heisei, big news came in from the Yoshinogari.
04:16Good morning.
04:17Good morning.
04:18Good morning.
04:19I found out that the ruins of the Yayoi were made in the same way as the village where Himiko lived.
04:29It was a moment when the existence of the Yoshinogari Ruins shook the whole country.
04:36I was surprised.
04:38I thought it was treated like this.
04:40I was surprised.
04:45Even in the Asahi Newspaper, the ruins were seen as the country of the Yamataikoku era.
04:55I wanted many people to know about it.
04:58It means that people will finally know about it.
05:02On the other hand, who was involved in the development of the industrial complex?
05:07There was no one but trouble in the ruins.
05:14What were the feelings of the people who were enraged by the fervor of the Yoshinogari?
05:29The excavation site was changed due to the scoop on February 23.
05:38I thought it was a traffic jam in Yoshinogari.
05:41So, I thought it was a traffic jam in all four directions.
05:45I didn't think it was okay for so many people to come.
05:50Maybe this land was the Yamataikoku.
05:56With such expectation and excitement, the Yoshinogari Fever occurred.
06:07Thank you very much.
06:09It's a great service.
06:12It's all thanks to Himiko.
06:14Welcome.
06:16It's all thanks to Himiko.
06:18It's all thanks to Himiko.
06:22It's all thanks to Himiko.
06:25It's short.
06:26I've been waiting for two hours.
06:28I've been waiting for two hours.
06:30The people who walked here are talking about their Yamataikoku.
06:33They are talking about their own Yamataikoku.
06:39No matter where you are,
06:41I always feel that the Japanese people love Yamataikoku.
06:47The excavation was actually started for a purpose.
06:54In the 1980s, Saga Prefecture, which was struggling with population outflow,
07:01was planning to open a cooperative to secure jobs in the local area.
07:11It's hard to grow a single crop.
07:14The Kyushu region was in a competition to open a cooperative.
07:20In those days, I wanted to open a cooperative as soon as possible.
07:25I wanted to make it easier for people to find jobs,
07:30and for people to develop their own products.
07:36That's why I chose Yoshinogari.
07:42That place was the Kyuryo area in the eastern part of Saga Prefecture.
07:51Here, they announced the construction of a large-scale industrial complex
07:55including 14 Tokyo Dome buildings.
07:59They were expected to employ 2,000 people.
08:04However, it was said that a lot of poisonous gas had been released there,
08:09and that the ruins were sleeping.
08:15It's true that there are ruins there.
08:18I've heard rumors that the Kyuryo Dome was going to be turned into gravel.
08:24I don't think it's a big ruin.
08:27That's what I thought,
08:30but I thought I could keep a record of it.
08:36In 1986, the excavation for the Kyuryo Dome began.
08:42It took three years.
08:45After that, it was decided to be rebuilt.
08:52Tadaaki Shichida was chosen as the leader of the excavation investigation.
08:58This land had been a playground since he was a child.
09:03My house was very close.
09:05When I was in elementary school,
09:09I used to collect poisonous gas and stoneware.
09:13I took my neighbors with me,
09:16and when I climbed the hill near my house,
09:20we were digging with a sense of exploration.
09:23There were a lot of human remains.
09:26It was a lot of fun.
09:29Shichida was obsessed with excavation,
09:33but his father, Tadashi, was there.
09:37While he was a high school teacher,
09:40he was influenced by his father's interest in ruin research.
09:44Shichida also decided to study archaeology.
09:48When I was entrusted with the excavation,
09:51I was worried about whether I could dig it in three years.
09:55I was also looking forward to digging such a great ruin with my own hands.
10:06On the other hand, land acquisition for the industrial complex was also carried out at the same time as the excavation.
10:13This is really nostalgic.
10:16These are the staff of the Development Corporation,
10:20who were persuaded by the testers on Sunday night.
10:24The testers said,
10:26You mean you're going to quit farming?
10:29They said something like that.
10:32How can you quit farming?
10:35I said, No, it's not like that.
10:38I may not be able to do agriculture,
10:41but if children and grandchildren come to work near here,
10:47they can get a job there,
10:50so I think I can replace agriculture.
10:57At that time, a large number of turtles were excavated.
11:06We dug 500 turtles.
11:09There were quite a lot of baby turtles.
11:13The remains of human bones and clothing were also left,
11:17and it was found that this ruin was more than expected.
11:23What can I say?
11:25Hundreds of baby turtles came out.
11:29I thought it was amazing.
11:31I thought it was okay, but it was too late.
11:34I felt like I was going to die.
11:37In addition, a large hole was also found around the village.
11:45Yoshinogari has increased the possibility of the largest nursing village in Japan.
11:53The scale of the nursing village has expanded tremendously.
11:59After the investigation, I felt that it was a waste to destroy it.
12:05But I'm doing excavation, and I'm also a prefectural employee.
12:10The developers are also prefectural employees.
12:13As a major project of the prefecture,
12:16we were involved in the pre-trial investigation,
12:21so I can't say much.
12:27At the same time, a department store was built on the ruins.
12:34No matter how important the ruins are,
12:37it was normal for them to be rebuilt after the investigation was over.
12:45And in Yoshinogari,
12:47as soon as the prefectural government changed to Heisei,
12:51the official opening ceremony of the industrial complex was held as planned.
12:57We thought we could proceed with the construction without any problems.
13:05As long as we put out a sign, we could start the construction at any time.
13:14A month later,
13:16that unexpected scoop was exposed on the Asahi Shimbun.
13:26Yoshinogari is said to be a ruin of the first class,
13:30which has elements that correspond to the techniques of Chinese history and Wajinden.
13:39Shichida saw this article.
13:43It's the Asahi Shimbun.
13:45I remember making a fuss by myself.
13:49I wanted many people to know about it.
13:53I finally got people to know about it.
13:58The development team was in a hurry.
14:03I don't want to make a scene,
14:07but I felt like I was hit from behind.
14:13The word Yamadaikoku, or Himiko,
14:17was all over the article.
14:22I thought, what's going to happen?
14:30Right after the article was published,
14:34fans from all over Japan flocked to the excavation site.
14:39However, the governor of Saga prefecture said,
14:43You can't say that we didn't go there.
14:48We paid a lot of money for the excavation.
14:56We spent hundreds of millions of yen,
15:00including child support and cultural property.
15:07We had to pay it back.
15:09Why do we have to pay it back now?
15:11We can't eat in the ruins.
15:15The local people also raised their voices
15:18about what to do with the Yoshinogari.
15:24They also submitted a petition to claim the preservation of the ruins.
15:30This is a serious matter.
15:32We have a petition today.
15:35Please claim the ruins.
15:39Totoki Ayoi, a housewife, joined the preservation movement
15:43after seeing the excavation site.
15:48I couldn't help but think,
15:50this is amazing.
15:54I wanted to preserve it,
15:58so I joined the movement.
16:01I said, let me help.
16:04As an adult, I thought it was something I had to do for the children.
16:11As various voices echoed around the ruins,
16:16the governor of Saga prefecture began to worry about the situation at the site.
16:21After the report on February 23,
16:24I received a phone call from the office every day.
16:27They asked me how I was doing today.
16:30I told them how many people were there today.
16:35The governor's feelings were shaking.
16:40At the time, there was a debate
16:43whether the ruins should be preserved or not.
16:47So the development team became more and more reluctant.
16:52I was worried about the situation.
16:56Suddenly, in March,
16:59a resolution to preserve the ruins was issued.
17:03What was going on behind it?
17:09After the report on February 23,
17:12the Yoshinogari Ruins became a place for the media to fight for scoop.
17:18The second point of view is
17:22the reporters involved in the report.
17:27Scoop fights were held every day,
17:30turning the excavation site into an incident site.
17:36However, this fierce press conflict
17:39moved public opinion and changed the fate of the Yoshinogari Ruins.
17:46What did the reporters do at that time?
17:51Another story behind the Yoshinogari Ruins.
17:59Yoshifumi Shimomura,
18:02a former reporter for the West Japan News.
18:05He was only in his fourth year as a reporter.
18:09He went to the excavation site many times
18:12and continued to report on the site.
18:18He also reported on the largest nursing village in Yayoi.
18:25That's why the scoop published by Asahi News and NHK
18:29surprised the public.
18:33The moment I saw it, I thought,
18:36I've been fooled.
18:39Even though I've been working on the case,
18:42I'm sure I've been fooled.
18:45So, to be honest, it's frustrating.
18:49The Yoshinogari Ruins,
18:52where the reporters worked hard to dig up.
18:57The Yoshinogari Ruins,
19:00where the reporters worked hard to dig up.
19:08It all began 11 days before the scoop.
19:12When Kyushu's block newspaper,
19:15Nishinihon Shimbun and local Saga TV
19:18guided famous researchers from ancient history to the Yoshinogari Ruins.
19:25Takayuki Sakai, a member of the Nishinihon Shimbun,
19:29was wondering if he could
19:32make amends for the ruins being rebuilt nearby.
19:41Toshihiko Yoshigi, Sakai's junior reporter,
19:45was listening to him carefully.
19:49He was listening to him carefully.
19:54Mr. Sakai was a reporter
19:57who had been covering the Yoshinogari Ruins for a long time.
20:01So, he must have had a deep belief
20:04that it's a precious and important ruin.
20:09Since it's a Kyushu-based newspaper,
20:12there's a limit.
20:14I'd like to ask all the researchers
20:17I asked him if he could help me.
20:22He said it was an irreplaceable treasure that I should leave to my descendants.
20:30I think that one word of his made me feel a tingling sensation.
20:39Sakai's actions
20:42Shimomura, a young reporter for the same Nishinihon Shimbun, knew nothing about it.
20:50The story of the Yoshinogari reached the ears of the first person in Yayoi era research, Makoto Sahara.
21:01Yoshinogari is amazing. Go and see it soon.
21:06I'm sorry to destroy such a wonderful relic.
21:12After hearing that, Sahara decided to go to the site.
21:19At that time, the excavation site was full of heavy machinery, and the preparation for re-planting was in full swing.
21:29I thought it was over.
21:32I thought it would be destroyed when the excavation was over.
21:36I wanted people to see the relic before it was destroyed.
21:43I wanted people to remember it.
21:47However, there was a problem.
21:50The day Sahara was scheduled to come was 7 days after the start of the construction.
21:58At that time, Shichida cried to the site director of the construction site.
22:05At that time, Shichida asked me to wait for a week because there were people who really wanted to see the relic.
22:14There were a lot of people who worked there.
22:18At that time, Shichida was very kind.
22:23He showed me the inside of the Kameikan.
22:29Shichida was very kind.
22:33Shichida was very obedient.
22:37He told me to wait for a week, so I waited for a week.
22:43After the construction was postponed, Sahara came to the excavation site.
22:52He was guided by Shichida.
22:57It's amazing.
23:00The local media came to know about the arrival of Sahara.
23:06I came to the excavation site to interview the local media.
23:09To be honest, I didn't think it was such a big news for the local media.
23:22At that time, we didn't know much about the value of the relic.
23:34Shimomura was also at the site, but he was upset that there were reporters from Tokyo and Osaka who he didn't usually see.
23:44I was a little worried about what kind of purpose he was coming for.
23:50I was wondering why Asahi and NHK came from so far away.
24:00In fact, a week ago, Sahara visited the Asahi News Tokyo headquarters.
24:09He only told Asahi and NHK that he was going to Yoshinogari.
24:20Kaoru Chonabayashi, a former Asahi News reporter who was involved in the Yoshinogari report.
24:28Rather than reporting everything at once, I thought it would be more effective for the doctor to come out and deal with it.
24:40That's why I chose Asahi and NHK.
24:44Sahara gave a lecture on how to interpret the meaning of this relic.
24:50The point is that the Yamatai Kingdom Himiko is the biggest mystery of Japanese history.
25:00I think it was a very big point that a relic that seemed to be written in the Gishiwa Shrine came out.
25:11In fact, Sahara himself argued that the Yamatai Kingdom was in the tree.
25:18However, he felt that Yoshinogari would be a big clue to his research, so he tried to appeal broadly beyond his position.
25:30As a Sahara, I think it is a very important relic.
25:36As a Sahara, I think it is a very important relic.
25:41I don't think it was a ceremony to decide whether to leave it or not.
25:53The day after Sahara visited Yoshinogari, February 23.
25:59The Asahi Shimbun put a spotlight on the relationship between Yoshinogari and the Yamatai Kingdom and broadcast it all over the country.
26:09In addition...
26:15I found out that the Yayoichi village in Saga Prefecture is the same as the village where Himiko lived in the Gishiwa Shrine.
26:25NHK also covered it in the morning national news.
26:31Good morning, Mr. Sahara.
26:32Good morning.
26:33As an expert, how did you feel when you saw this Yoshinogari relic?
26:38In a word, I was excited. It's still burning.
26:42Even an expert is burning.
26:46Shimomura was called out early in the morning and rushed to the Saga Prefecture office.
26:54The moment I saw it, I thought it was done, it was pulled out.
26:58It wasn't pulled out inside.
27:00However, I was wondering how to express it.
27:04That's where it was done.
27:07There was no big difference between the article and what Shimomura had written, such as the Kango village and Monomi Yagura.
27:16However...
27:17I regretted that I hadn't found the words Yoshinogari, Yamatai, and Himiko.
27:27As the day came to an end, other media followed suit and the cover of Hodo Gassen was cut.
27:42It exploded.
27:46That's where our coverage of Hodo Gassen began.
27:51Everyone was in front of the pre-hub of the excavation site.
27:58Yoshinogari was used as a pre-hub for the coverage of Hodo Gassen.
28:05Newspapers are competitive.
28:07It's a matter of course that if you lose, you have to do it again.
28:11When I found something new in the investigation, I decided to pull it out.
28:18That was the only thing I could do.
28:25At that time, Shimomura heard a rumor.
28:30There was an important relic in Yoshinogari that Saga Prefecture hadn't announced yet.
28:38He said there was something amazing.
28:42I went to the site with my own feet.
28:46There was a small shell that looked like a deep plate.
28:53I thought, wow, there was a tombstone.
28:57At that time, I didn't know what to say, so I was really surprised.
29:03Before sunset, everyone gathered at the pre-hub.
29:08I said there was a tombstone at the north end of the pre-hub.
29:13Everyone's eyes changed.
29:17I felt like I was in kindergarten.
29:21I was anxious that if I pulled it out, it would be a big deal.
29:26If I pulled it out, it would be a big deal.
29:30The counterattack of the Newspaper of West Japan began.
29:36When I asked the people involved,
29:39they said it might be a grave for a king with great power to sleep in.
29:49Five days after the scoop of Asahi and NHK,
29:53Shimomura and the others found out about the existence of Funkyubo.
29:58This article determined the fate of Yoshinogari.
30:07I felt like I was really defeated.
30:11I realized that there was such an important thing.
30:17In a sense, I felt like I did it.
30:22It wasn't just me who did it.
30:25I felt like I pulled it out with everyone's power.
30:34This is what Governor Saga said after receiving this report.
30:39Let's look at the results of the excavation of Funkyubo and decide the future response.
30:47And then the day of the excavation of Funkyubo came.
30:54As the reporters gathered, the top of the hill began to tremble.
31:02They dug up something surprising.
31:06The inside of the turtle shell was painted with a red color.
31:11A bright red ball of light blue appeared.
31:21It was a costume that showed the existence of a powerful ruler.
31:29I think it's a prehistoric item.
31:33I think it's a prehistoric item.
31:36An important cultural asset is taking the soil in front of you.
31:41You can see it by looking at it like this.
31:47At the moment when the door opened,
31:50reporters and cameramen all looked at it together.
31:57At that time, I was really excited.
32:00But I was also moved by the fact that the reporters had special feelings for this relic.
32:07And gradually, everyone began to think that it was something they could protect.
32:14The reporters' pens continued to claim the preservation of the relic.
32:25One week after the excavation of Funkyubo,
32:29the prefectural governor visited the excavation site again.
32:39I was told that I would be left behind at the time of my return.
32:45So I laid down next to them.
32:48I couldn't believe it.
32:52When I returned to the office,
32:55I was told by the reporters that I was lucky.
32:58I was shocked and thought,
33:00Oh, I made it.
33:03The prefectural governor declared that he would preserve
33:08about one-third of the industrial site as a relic.
33:16After that, the Yoshinogari Ruins would be designated as a special national heritage site.
33:25All the construction of the industrial site was stopped,
33:29and the ruins were left as a park.
33:36What did the reporters who were in the middle of the scoop battle think?
33:45Shimomura is now the president of a local city.
33:52I became a reporter when I was 26 years old.
33:57It's been about four years.
34:00At that time, I was just doing my best
34:06to pursue the precious relic in front of me.
34:11What I can say now is that I want to protect the Yoshinogari Ruins of Sakai.
34:19That's the strength of my heart.
34:22I can feel it now.
34:26Thanks to that report, the Yoshinogari Ruins were preserved.
34:31In our life as reporters,
34:35we have complicated feelings about that moment,
34:40but I'm glad it was preserved.
34:44Yamatai-koku boom
34:46Yamatai-koku boom came while the attention of all over Japan was gathered in the Yoshinogari Ruins.
34:53The key was the history book of China, the Gishiwa Shrine.
34:59The only thing that shows the existence of the Yamatai-koku is a few 2,000 characters in it.
35:06Where was that place?
35:10The Yamatai-koku theory, which has been going on for many years, was revived.
35:16The third point of view is Matsumoto Seicho, the writer.
35:21He was very interested in ancient history and recited the Yamatai-koku Kyushu theory.
35:29The Yoshinogari Ruins appeared in front of Seicho.
35:34He had great expectations for the results of the excavation.
35:38Matsumoto Seicho, who continued to stick to the Kyushu theory.
35:43Another story approaching the end of the year.
35:51Matsumoto Seicho, a writer who left a vast work, starting with a theory novel.
35:59In the 1960s, he suddenly started writing on the theme of ancient history.
36:08Ancient history with its own theories.
36:12From there, he cut into the Yamatai-koku theory.
36:18For example, even if you take one Yamatai-koku, there is only one material.
36:22The Gishiwa Shrine.
36:23There are many different opinions.
36:26The fun of thinking about the blank part without the material.
36:33That's what gives me a lot of energy.
36:40And he came to the site of the Yoshinogari Ruins.
36:46Seicho left a notebook that he used in his research on ancient history.
36:57This is a Yamatai-koku relationship.
37:06This is the Yamatai-koku relationship.
37:12I drew a map like this to think about the path to the Yamatai-koku.
37:32One of the most powerful theories in the Yamatai-koku theory is the Kinai theory.
37:41Until the 1980s, many discoveries were made around Nara Bonchi.
37:48The Makimuku Ruins were especially noticed.
37:54It was around the middle of the 3rd century that the Queen Himiko died.
37:58Normally, that period is called the late Yayoi period.
38:02In that respect, the Makimuku Ruins are included in the Yamatai-koku period.
38:10However, Seicho thought that the Yamatai-koku existed in northern Kyushu.
38:18Seicho, who grew up in the Kokura of northern Kyushu, had a sense of it when he walked through many ruins in Kyushu.
38:29He also wrote in his research notebook that the Yamatai-koku existed in Kyushu.
38:40The reason why Seicho was particular about the location of the Yamatai-koku is that it was a memorial to the beginning of Japan.
38:50There are many legends about the king of the heaven, the king of the earth, and the king of the earth.
39:01However, Seicho's problem is probably not related to that.
39:05In a way, Seicho's problem is related to the fact that the Yamatai-koku existed in northern Kyushu.
39:17Seicho's problem is that the Yamatai-koku is one of the many kingdoms in northern Kyushu.
39:31I think that he wanted to find out the origin of the kingdom of Japan.
39:47Chuhei Takashima, a archaeologist, walked through many ruins in Kyushu with Seicho.
40:03I walked around the ruins.
40:07I was told that the Yamatai-koku existed in a place like this, which was not yet discovered in Yoshinogari.
40:23In 1989, when the ruins of Yoshinogari attracted attention, Seicho set out to visit the excavation site.
40:37It was Takashima who guided Seicho at this time.
40:43I certainly had the feeling that the Yamatai-koku had finally come out.
40:51At that time, there were many houses in China.
40:54Rather than saying that there were four Yagora houses,
40:57it was a practice to see which way it was facing.
41:07Funkyubo was expected to be the grave of Himiko.
41:12However, it was found to be 200 years older than Himiko's time.
41:19I was surprised by Seicho's growth that I had expected.
41:30This is what Seicho wrote.
41:34The ruins of a new building were discovered in Kyushu and Yoshinogari.
41:40It attracted attention again as if it were a shrine where a ruler held a festival.
41:50If I had known that, I might have been seen differently.
41:59I might have been laughed at.
42:02I might have been told that I had come out.
42:07On the other hand, there was a major excavation in the Makimuku Ruins of Nara.
42:14The largest building in Japan, with the potential to be the palace of Himiko's time, was found.
42:23Furthermore, it was pointed out that the huge tombs of the land may overlap with the era of the Yamatai Empire.
42:35The debate about the biggest mystery of ancient history is still going on.
42:43And now, the Yoshinogari Ruins has become a national park.
42:49Nearly 700,000 people visit each year to support the tourism in Saga Prefecture.
42:59Tadaaki Shichida, who has been in charge of the excavation of the ruins for more than 20 years.
43:08Tadaaki Shichida.
43:12I haven't done half of the excavation yet.
43:17I think I have to continue the excavation to find the real value of the Yoshinogari Ruins.
43:26Are you going to participate in the excavation?
43:29Yes, I'm going to participate as a citizen.
43:37The reason why Japanese people are so passionate about the search for the Yamatai Empire is that they want to find the roots of their ancestors.
43:50And the other reason is that they want to solve the mystery.
43:57And the other reason is that they want to solve the mystery.
44:03Japanese people love romance.
44:08Hiraga Gennai, the choice of heroes.
44:11He is not only good at drawing.
44:13He is also an inventor, a painter, a novelist, and a producer.
44:17In other words, he is an entertainer.
44:20Tonight at 9pm on BS.