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- Shahid Khaqan Abbasi (Former PM)
Section 144 was imposed in Punjab to stop us - Junaid Akbar Statement
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- Rana Ihsaan Afzal Khan PMLN
- Shahid Khaqan Abbasi (Former PM)
Section 144 was imposed in Punjab to stop us - Junaid Akbar Statement
" Humari Tayari Itni Hai Agar Punjab kay Log Na Bhi Aye To? - Junaid Akbar Statement
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00:00In the name of Allah, the most Gracious, the most Merciful.
00:12This is the program.
00:13I don't want to make any objections.
00:14The whole point is clear.
00:15And it is clear in very clear words that there is no situation of sitting between the government
00:22and the opposition.
00:23We had decided this last week.
00:24But what will be the situation now?
00:25It seems that at this time, Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf is not ready to do politics in which there
00:32is conflict.
00:33The government also does not want this.
00:35If any political party goes towards conflict, then it means that the matter will continue
00:40for a long time.
00:41So what I am doing is not going towards conflict.
00:44I am doing it because obviously the Secretary General of Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf has come
00:51from the side that we do not intend any kind of conflict.
00:56We will raise our voice.
00:58That is what they want.
01:00But Ali Ameen Ghandapur has said something about tomorrow.
01:04Because tomorrow, of course, he has announced his Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf as Yom-e-Siyah.
01:09Listen to what he is saying.
01:11We are celebrating 8th February as Yom-e-Siyah.
01:14We are celebrating 8th February as Yom-e-Siyah.
01:16These governments are forcibly breaking the law, stealing the budget and moving forward.
01:20The damage that is happening to Pakistan is in front of you all.
01:238th February 2025 will be celebrated every year as Yom-e-Siyah.
01:26This year, we are celebrating it in full according to Imran Khan's orders.
01:30Wherever you are, you will raise a protest there.
01:33The people of Pakhtunkhwa have a Jalsa at Sawabi.
01:36And all of you have to come there.
01:38You have to give this message in full.
01:40And we will take our right.
01:42Now, on one hand, Yom-e-Siyah is being made.
01:44But the question is that the Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf which used to move the people all over Pakistan
01:49is now limited to KPK.
01:51That morning, where their government is present.
01:53And that morning, where their vote bank is also strong.
01:55But how far is the existence of Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf in the rest of Pakistan?
02:00This is becoming a big question.
02:02But along with that, how will the government cater to this?
02:05That is also a question.
02:06Governor KPK has given a statement with Ali Ameen Gandapur.
02:11What do you say to that?
02:13He is showing his attachment.
02:15See, what he has done with our poor CM.
02:17Listen to this.
02:18Our CM has sidelined everyone according to his plan.
02:22He was playing on both sides of the wicket.
02:23I think he told Mr. Khan that Mir Jafar and Mir Sadiq are playing a big role in his party.
02:29There is a big competition between PTI and the government.
02:32Let's see who is successful.
02:33PTI thinks that their government is so incompetent that they cannot run the province.
02:38So, they are protesting against their own government in their province.
02:43Now, this protest has been given another color that they are doing it in their own province.
02:46They are doing it against their own government.
02:48Now, if we talk about their own government, then Ali Ameen Gandapur versus another side.
02:52So, we have been listening for a long time.
02:54I will go towards that.
02:56Mr. Junaid Akbar is present with us.
02:57Chairman of the Public Account Committee.
02:59He is the President of Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf KPK.
03:02Thank you very much, Mr. Junaid.
03:03You joined us.
03:04It is a pleasure having you in the program.
03:05Is this a sign that your own party is protesting against its own government?
03:11Is this a sign of the tension between you and KPK's Chief Minister?
03:19In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
03:21Actually, I am not protesting.
03:23This is Mr. Khan and Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf.
03:27You just said that we are limited to KPK in Punjab.
03:32We are not limited to KPK.
03:34In Punjab, the RPPT is the biggest party.
03:37And a woman from Muslim League Noon, who is in jail, has beaten her badly.
03:46Her CM has also been beaten badly.
03:50So, Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf is very strong in Punjab.
03:53It is a different matter that they do not let her do politics.
03:56When I was coming to the program today, I came to know that there will be no activity in Punjab.
04:04There will be no protest.
04:05There will be no Jalsa.
04:06When you do not let us do it, we will do it.
04:09Let's do the challenge.
04:10We are not Mr. Khan.
04:12Give us a day's notice.
04:14Give us the Minar-e-Pakistan.
04:17You will see who the people of Punjab are with.
04:19When we do not give a duty there,
04:21And unfortunately, if this happens in a democratic country, it is not just that.
04:27Let me tell you that in Gilgit-Baltistan, Kashmir, the areas along Neelum Valley,
04:34which have India on one side and Pakistan on the other side,
04:39are also taking political workers there.
04:41They are arresting them.
04:42They are torturing them.
04:45When we have made all of Pakistan like this,
04:48we have put the security of the country on this,
04:53that people should change the political worker,
04:57put him in jail,
04:59and not let him do any political activity.
05:01This is unfortunate.
05:02The rest is Mr. Khan's call.
05:04And the last 8th of February, which is our mandate,
05:08which is the mandate of the people of Pakistan,
05:11we are celebrating it as UNICEF.
05:13We are celebrating it as UNICEF.
05:14And tomorrow, God willing, we will have a very big gathering in Sawabi.
05:21God willing, if you take me again tomorrow,
05:26I will tell you that this will be the biggest gathering in the history of KP.
05:29Okay, tomorrow we will trouble you again.
05:31But tell me, my question was not whether you could take any victory in Punjab or not.
05:37My question was that last time we saw that when Islamabad was to come in November,
05:42even at that time, Salman Akham Raja Sahib was roaming around with his car alone.
05:45The people who were supposed to be with him, or the caravan, were not there.
05:47In Punjab, to not get such a reaction is only the 144th time, Mr. Junaid Akbar,
05:53or is there any other reason?
05:54Because if people like you can handle the leadership of PTI in KPK,
06:00and as you were saying before the show started,
06:03that this gathering will be different from the other gatherings,
06:06then where is the leadership of Punjab?
06:10No, the leadership of Punjab is very easy to talk about and criticize.
06:14Let me tell you that there is no such leader of Punjab,
06:17there is no such MPA, MNA, on whom 60-70 FIRs have not been filed.
06:22And not in a single district, but in different districts,
06:25there is no example of this in the history.
06:28There, if the workers of Punjab would come out of the house,
06:31they would break the keys at their house,
06:34their business would be shut down.
06:36There is no tradition of this.
06:37The traditional politics of Punjab, people vote there,
06:43but do not resist, do not come out, do not protest.
06:47So this is not only with PTI, its culture, Punjab's culture is like this.
06:51Anyway, do you remember the protest in Punjab's culture?
06:53There was a long march in Vukla movement,
06:55Punjab played a very big role, Mr. Junaid Akbar.
06:57Plus, there are so many FIRs on the leaders of KPK,
07:01they are still there.
07:03No, in KPK, it is a little easier for us that there is a government here,
07:07when we leave from here, there is no one there to stop us.
07:14When the people of Punjab leave the house,
07:16as soon as they leave the house, the FIR starts.
07:21With that, the attitude of the state is strange.
07:23This is a little difficult.
07:25Punjab is not PTI, PTI is a very powerful Punjab.
07:28Understandable.
07:29But tell me, wasn't it planned from the beginning
07:32that the basic Jalsa will be held in Swabi,
07:34considering that Salman Akram Raja and many other leaders will reach Swabi.
07:39And this was planned from the beginning.
07:41No, from the beginning it was that we have to hold two Jalsas,
07:45one on Minar-e-Pakistan,
07:47so the people near Lahore will come to Minar-e-Pakistan,
07:51the people near this side will come to Swabi.
07:54But the government did not apply for it,
07:59so it could not be done.
08:02But I can tell you that people will definitely come from Punjab.
08:06But the preparations of me and our workers are such that
08:11if people do not come from Punjab,
08:14then this Jalsa will be a historic Jalsa.
08:16So what will be the difference between this Jalsa and the first Jalsas?
08:20Because Jalsas have already been held in Swabi.
08:22Now you have taken over the command of KPK-PTI,
08:25so what will be the difference compared to the last Jalsas?
08:29The difference in the last Jalsa was that
08:31the majority of people could not reach there.
08:34There were a lot of people in the Jalsa,
08:37but the majority could not reach there themselves.
08:40They could not reach there themselves in the first Jalsa of Swabi.
08:43So this time we have separated the road.
08:47We have kept different roads for different periods.
08:50We have also taken time in the selection of places
08:53where people can easily reach.
08:55This time I myself went to different KPKs,
08:58because Seem Sahib had time constraints.
09:00Of course, he also held regional meetings,
09:02he held meetings with MPs and Ministers.
09:04But I went to the nearby district myself,
09:07I ran a campaign there, I contacted people from there.
09:10So I tried a lot for 7-8 days to convince people.
09:14The second thing is that the enthusiasm among people will be more
09:19that people of lower middle class like me,
09:22who are workers, I tell myself,
09:24and I have told this many times,
09:26that I have reached this position because of the leadership of my village.
09:30So there is a lot of enthusiasm among workers compared to the last Jalsa.
09:33A worker has also come to this position,
09:35and he is supporting me more than others.
09:38But you said that Seem Sahib had a lack of time.
09:41Was it a lack of time, or what the Governor is saying,
09:44that Bushra Bibi complained about Mir Jafir being a sadiq,
09:47and that's why he put him on the side?
09:50No, it's not like that.
09:52If Seem Sahib is upset with Khan Sahib,
09:56then he leads the party.
09:59Politicians do politics so that they get a good position.
10:04So he didn't care about leadership.
10:07If Khan Sahib wanted to remove him,
10:09he would have removed him from the Chief Minister.
10:11If he was upset, what was the problem for him?
10:13He couldn't remove him.
10:14Seem Sahib and the Governor have a relationship,
10:17and there is a slight disagreement between them.
10:20So Seem Sahib gives a statement like this, and the Governor gives a statement like this.
10:23So you are saying that relatives are the biggest critics.
10:26So you have put all the relatives on the same side.
10:28Yes, exactly like this.
10:29So there is a slight difference in politics.
10:32So there is nothing else.
10:34Okay, you said one thing.
10:36Because the protest that you are celebrating tomorrow,
10:39is about the last election,
10:41that is, about the last year's elections.
10:43As a result of those elections, KPK's rule is in your hands today.
10:46And the People's Party and the JUI say that these people are not winning.
10:51They are also from Form 47.
10:53They have also been removed from Maulana Fazlur Rahman's Jamaat.
10:56So at one place, you are protesting about such elections,
11:00about which you say that there was a protest.
11:02As a result of that, MNAs and MPs are sitting in Parliament today.
11:05As a result of that, KPK's rule is also there.
11:07So isn't this a contradiction?
11:11No, it is not a contradiction.
11:13Let me tell you that Mohsin Naqvi Sahib was the Minister of Security there.
11:17Now you see that he is the Interior Minister.
11:20We were given the permission to campaign.
11:22We were hiding.
11:23What was in our control?
11:25That we would change from 45 to 45.
11:27There, you see, the Minister of Security of Baluchistan,
11:31he was the Interior Minister.
11:33The same setup was coming.
11:35Those people had divided it.
11:37The same people were behind it.
11:38What was in our control?
11:40We were under FIR.
11:41We were in jail.
11:42How many days before the elections, we came out of jail?
11:45Most of our MPs and MNAs could not even campaign.
11:50So who was there for us when we were under 45 to 45?
11:53They had a government machinery.
11:55You see, we were snatched from them.
11:57They did not behave well with us.
12:00They gave us a sign.
12:01Then the vote changed.
12:02During the elections…
12:04But you made a very interesting discovery, Junaid Akbar Sahib.
12:07You said that in the elections of 2024,
12:09the tickets given to MNAs and MPAs,
12:11who finalised the names?
12:13Tell us that.
12:14Did Imran Khan not finalise the names?
12:17No, I did not even think about it.
12:20I am still saying that the list that was sent,
12:24we were told that Khan Sahib gave the roll.
12:27But I don't think that Khan Sahib had so much time in jail
12:31or he knew so many people to whom he would give the tickets.
12:34So I don't think that Khan Sahib finalised it.
12:36I told Khan Sahib to find out about it.
12:42He told me that he had told the leadership a couple of times
12:45to bring me the list of people to whom he had recommended.
12:48But unfortunately, when you go to jail,
12:51there is a lot of searching.
12:53Even if you had written something on your hand,
12:55they would have erased it.
12:57So who made the list, Junaid Akbar Sahib?
13:00You are saying that we…
13:01Whoever had the list, they must have made it.
13:05Who had the list?
13:06Who?
13:07Whoever had the list, they must have made it.
13:10You can see who had the list at that time.
13:12Did Gandapur Sahib make the list?
13:14Correct me if I am wrong.
13:16I am not talking about just one person.
13:18Whoever had the list, they finalised the list.
13:21Who made the list, Junaid Akbar Sahib?
13:24Who are you talking about?
13:26Who made the list?
13:28I am not talking about the list.
13:30I am saying that whoever had the list,
13:32whether it was the SBI, the Central Chairman, or the GSO,
13:35they were the same people who came and announced it.
13:38I am also saying the same thing, Junaid Akbar Sahib.
13:40I am also saying the same thing.
13:41The list of the SBI was made by Gandapur Sahib.
13:45Who else are you talking about?
13:48Who were the names?
13:50It was based on Gaur Sahib.
13:51Gandapur Sahib was finalised by these people.
13:53So there is nothing wrong in it.
13:55I am saying this even today that these people gave the tickets.
13:58So you are saying that they did it of their own free will.
14:01What is the reason behind this?
14:03Whether they did it of their own free will or not,
14:05I am sure that it was not possible for Khan Sahib
14:08to finalise all the tickets in the jail.
14:14I will not agree to this.
14:16You will not agree to this.
14:17The voters will not agree to this.
14:18There is nothing wrong in this.
14:20Interesting perspective.
14:21Junaid Sahib, we will give you time again.
14:22But thank you very much for joining me in the programme.
14:24It was a pleasure having you.
14:25Now we have with us the coordinator to the Prime Minister,
14:28Rana Ehsan Afzal Sahib.
14:30Rana Sahib, thank you very much for joining me in the programme.
14:32Tomorrow is Yom-e-Siyah.
14:34Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
14:36And I would like to present a statement of Rana Sahib.
14:40He says that if politicians are coming together
14:43and an alliance is being formed,
14:45then what will happen?
14:46Listen.
14:47If politicians are coming together
14:50and an alliance is being formed,
14:53then it will not be a problem for the government.
14:56It should not be.
14:57Because it will be better and easier to talk to them.
15:02And if Imran Khan becomes a part of an alliance,
15:05then he will have to stand up for the decisions of that alliance.
15:09These politicians are being mentioned right now.
15:12They are coming together.
15:14All of them are great patriots.
15:16None of them will make a decision for the rise of Islamabad.
15:22Nor will they let such a decision be made.
15:25Rana Sanaw Allah has said that
15:30it is better for the government.
15:32This is a better thing.
15:33It will be easier to joke with Imran Khan.
15:36This is a situation of God's protection.
15:38Tell me, does the government have any intention
15:41to talk to everyone,
15:42considering that the former PM of PMLN,
15:45Prime Minister Shahid Khan Abbasi,
15:47is now on the other side of the fence?
15:51In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Ever Merciful.
15:52I think Rana Sahab is absolutely right.
15:55If you look at it now,
15:57the government has not closed the doors of negotiations.
16:00The government has kept the doors of negotiations open.
16:03The Speaker of the Assembly has said
16:05that we should go towards negotiations.
16:07Are you calling the Speaker of the Assembly a part of the government?
16:10No, no.
16:11I am saying that the Speaker has also given the option
16:15that he wants to keep the doors of negotiations open.
16:18Along with that,
16:19the Prime Minister has also said that
16:21there should be a committee in the House.
16:23So, the doors of negotiations have been opened
16:25by the government or the custodians of the Parliament.
16:28The PTI has walked out.
16:30So, if an alliance is formed,
16:32a lot of people will come into the alliance
16:36and there will be collective wisdom.
16:38In that collective wisdom,
16:40no one refuses such an offer.
16:42Just like the PTI refused,
16:44Rana Sahab is absolutely right.
16:46When collective wisdom comes there,
16:48any group, whether it is JUIF,
16:50will not promote such decisions
16:54that the roads of the provinces should be closed.
16:56Or any violence,
16:58which we saw on 26th November,
17:00I think sense will prevail
17:02and it will be better for the democracy.
17:04And maybe it will be successful
17:06in making the PTI understand.
17:09But before this,
17:10there was Tehreek-e-Tahafuz-e-Ayn-e-Pakistan, Rana Sahab.
17:13In that Tehreek-e-Tahafuz-e-Ayn-e-Pakistan,
17:15there was Achakzai Sahab.
17:17Shahzada Hamid Raza Sahab,
17:18Maulana Nasir Sahab,
17:20they were all there.
17:21There was collective wisdom here too.
17:23And Achakzai Sahab tried to develop
17:25a proper connection with the government
17:27for the sake of negotiations.
17:28But do you know what happened?
17:30So, if this collective wisdom comes
17:32and the government talks,
17:33and Khan Sahab,
17:34who is the main opposition party,
17:35steps back,
17:36then there is no benefit, right?
17:38I think,
17:39in the Tehreek-e-Tahafuz-e-Ayn-e-Pakistan movement,
17:43there was no PTI backing.
17:46So, no,
17:47there was no discussion on his platform.
17:49Anyway,
17:50if this platform is formed,
17:52see,
17:53whether it is Khan Khan,
17:54Basi Sahab,
17:55or JUIF,
17:56then we have discussions with JUIF,
17:58we have contacts.
18:00If there was a problem,
18:01then it was with PTI,
18:02who walked out of the negotiations.
18:04So, we don't think
18:05that this will be a threat.
18:07And we are absolutely ready.
18:09We have prepared for the elections.
18:12We are willing to work
18:13for the 2029 election.
18:15You are talking about the 2029 elections,
18:17Maulana Sahab is saying
18:18that elections should be held immediately.
18:19He has been saying this
18:20since the elections.
18:21Elections should be held immediately.
18:23These elections are not something
18:25that people trust.
18:27This is what Maulana Sahab is saying.
18:29See,
18:30Maulana Sahab is absolutely right.
18:32He is right.
18:33Whatever he thinks is right,
18:34he should say.
18:35But,
18:36we think that
18:37today,
18:38if all these politicians sit,
18:40then in the scheduled election of 2029,
18:43we will be in an environment
18:45that is acceptable to everyone,
18:47free, fair, and transparent.
18:49So, we are open to that.
18:51We think that
18:52if we sit today,
18:53then after 4 years,
18:54an election will be possible
18:56which will be accepted by everyone.
18:58So, we are willing to work.
19:00Our Prime Minister
19:01has been believing in negotiations
19:03since day one.
19:04And he understands
19:05that what we have gained
19:07in the last year,
19:08see,
19:09tomorrow is going to be a year.
19:10A year ago,
19:11it was 29% inflation.
19:13Today, it is 2.4%.
19:15All indicators are positive.
19:17Alhamdulillah.
19:18Your reserves,
19:19your forex reserves,
19:20your exports are increasing.
19:22Your tax collection is improving.
19:25So, if we have to sustain all these gains,
19:28then we want to reduce
19:29the environment of polarization.
19:31Reducing the environment of polarization
19:33was done in your favor,
19:34Rana Sahab.
19:35But, it was not done
19:36in favor of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
19:38So, why are they sitting with you?
19:40What excuse do they have
19:41to sit with you?
19:43See, Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf
19:45is not sitting with us
19:46because of this reason.
19:47And if they are in danger,
19:48it is because
19:49they are sustaining
19:50these economic gains.
19:51So, why are you giving
19:52an olive branch again and again
19:54when you know
19:55that they will not sit together?
19:57Then, why are these statements
19:58coming again and again
19:59that maybe they will sit now,
20:00maybe they will sit then.
20:01We have not criticized
20:02the committees,
20:03you should come.
20:04See, I think
20:05this is the responsibility
20:06of the government.
20:07It is showing a responsibility.
20:10And the government
20:11is showing that
20:12they understand that
20:13to take the country forward,
20:15we have to try
20:16to fulfill our responsibility.
20:18Whether the other Jamaat
20:19understands this or not,
20:20but Prime Minister
20:21Shahbaz Sharif
20:22always,
20:23even when he was in the opposition,
20:25he used to talk about
20:26the Charter of Economy.
20:27And we believe
20:28that we have to
20:29take everyone together.
20:30See, this is
20:31an exposed PTI.
20:33In all this effort,
20:35if it is from the government
20:36that the doors are still open,
20:38there is an exposed PTI,
20:40and their followers
20:42understand that
20:44this Jamaat should
20:45offer whatever it wants,
20:47it wants to keep
20:48its own track.
20:49So, maybe in the future,
20:51it should also understand
20:52that the government
20:53should let it run.
20:54That's a good point.
20:55Thank you very much.
20:56But if the government's
20:57performance is not good
20:58within a year,
20:59then the government
21:00will also be exposed
21:01in a way that
21:02they are not able to work.
21:03So, this year,
21:04PTI and PMLN
21:05and for the government,
21:06both are very important.
21:07Now, we will go to the break.
21:08After the break, we will come back.
21:09Shahid Khan Abasi
21:10will be with us.
21:14Welcome back after the break.
21:15Shahid Khan Abasi
21:16is with us.
21:17Former Prime Minister
21:18of Pakistan,
21:19Convener Awam Pakistan Party.
21:20Remember,
21:21he is the head
21:22of that committee
21:23which has been formed
21:24for the coordination
21:25of the entire opposition.
21:26Shahid Khan Abasi is the head
21:27of that committee.
21:28Thank you very much
21:29for joining me in the program.
21:30Now, I have been saying
21:31for a long time,
21:32and I have been asking you
21:33off the record
21:34and on the record as well,
21:36that should you have
21:37let PMLN get lost
21:38or not?
21:39Rana Sanaullah
21:40has said something.
21:41I will tell you about it.
21:42Please listen.
21:44As far as Shahid Khan Abasi
21:45is concerned,
21:46or Miftah Ismail
21:47is concerned,
21:48they are our very
21:49respected
21:50and very good friends.
21:51When they were
21:52in the party,
21:53because of them,
21:54we used to get
21:55a very good opinion.
21:56We are at a loss
21:57because of them.
21:58We wanted them
21:59not to take this decision,
22:00but anyway,
22:01we are at a loss
22:02because of them.
22:03We are at a loss
22:04because of them.
22:05We wanted them
22:06not to take this decision,
22:07but anyway,
22:08they were
22:09free to make
22:10their own decisions.
22:11We still have
22:12contact with them.
22:13Whenever we need
22:14them,
22:15they can come
22:16to us.
22:17We can go to them.
22:18So, are there
22:19any chances
22:20that you can
22:21go to them,
22:22they can come to you,
22:23the closeness can increase,
22:24there can be
22:25distance from PTI,
22:26the unity that is
22:27being formed
22:28can be fulfilled
22:29or is it a dream?
22:30No,
22:31look,
22:32I have no
22:33disagreement
22:34or any
22:35complaint
22:36with PMLN.
22:37The only thing
22:38was that
22:39we had to
22:40give respect
22:41to the vote
22:42and PMLN
22:43should have
22:44maintained
22:45the same
22:46statements.
22:47When they
22:48changed it,
22:49it became
22:50very difficult
22:51for me.
22:52I had
22:53told them
22:54one year
22:55before the
22:56election
22:57that I
22:58will not
22:59be able to
23:00fight the
23:01election.
23:02I have
23:03made
23:04friendships
23:05with
23:06JNU
23:07and
23:08the
23:09rest.
23:10I
23:11respect
23:12Rana
23:13very much.
23:14He is
23:15a very
23:16intelligent
23:17person.
23:18He
23:19understands
23:20everything,
23:21believe me.
23:22You talk
23:23about dual
23:24meaning,
23:25he understood
23:26everything.
23:27Was there
23:28any chance
23:29for him
23:30to go to
23:31We have made a community and we are moving it forward.
23:33We have a thought.
23:34So if the government improves its thought, we can travel together.
23:40I have no connection with PTI.
23:43But if PTI talks about the constitution,
23:46talks about law enforcement,
23:48talks about the issues of the country,
23:50we can all travel together.
23:51Mr. Jawahar, isn't this a stone's throw in Pakistan
23:54that when they are in the opposition,
23:56they will talk about the constitution,
23:57talk about law enforcement,
23:58talk about giving respect to the vote,
24:00but when they are in government,
24:01the situation changes.
24:03This is the same PTI
24:05because of which the vote was called for respect.
24:07You must remember the 2018 elections.
24:09Today you are their ally.
24:11No, I am not their ally.
24:12We are in agreement on this thought.
24:14Because today they are talking about something
24:16which we are supporters of.
24:18Today PTI is also talking about respect for the vote.
24:21This thought is what Pakistan needs today.
24:23When you go to power,
24:25your thought changes.
24:27This is bad luck.
24:29We should stick to the principles.
24:31And the problems that are arising today
24:33are the same things that PMLN used to oppose.
24:35For example, the issue of judiciary,
24:37the amendment that came in the Pika Act,
24:39the conditions of the NAB,
24:41the constitutional amendment,
24:43we have opposed all of these.
24:45But it is unfortunate that
24:47PMLN is doing the same thing today.
24:49It should not have done this in power.
24:51So in other words,
24:53if PTI comes into power in the future,
24:55and if they take the same stance
24:57that PMLN has taken,
24:59then you have nothing to do with them.
25:01We will stick to our position.
25:03So how much do you have to do with them now?
25:05Let's clarify this too.
25:07Will you be a part of their protest?
25:09This is not a matter of giving or taking.
25:11This is an attempt to
25:13coincide with the thought of the opposition
25:15in the country.
25:17What does the opposition want?
25:19They want the amendment of the constitution,
25:21they want the rule of law,
25:23they want a solution to the problems,
25:25and they want the government
25:27to play its role.
25:29If the government is not playing its role,
25:31then the opposition has to play its role.
25:33So what role will the opposition play?
25:35Will it make a difference
25:37if a political consensus is developed
25:39without the government's involvement?
25:41No, it will not make a difference.
25:43You have to talk about the truth.
25:45There should be a group
25:47that talks about the truth,
25:49talks about the constitution,
25:51talks about the rule of law,
25:53talks about the solution,
25:55talks about reforms,
25:57talks about the people,
25:59talks about the country's system.
26:01These are all important things.
26:03These are all right things,
26:05but if only one group says
26:07that we should remove Sarbara,
26:09or we will protest,
26:11or we will hold elections again.
26:13This is their thought.
26:15This is why we have to agree
26:17that everyone has their own politics,
26:19everyone has their own thoughts,
26:21and if you come to power tomorrow,
26:23then you should stick to this.
26:25This is a difficult task, Abbas.
26:27It happens.
26:29Did you think that the PMLN would do this?
26:31That they would give respect to the vote?
26:33No, I never thought that.
26:35But they did.
26:37Aruj was the 21st Gujranwala Jalsa.
26:39So if they can do this,
26:41then the PTI can do this.
26:43Within less than a year,
26:45you changed it.
26:47The sky changes.
26:49What is the aim of the opposition committee?
26:51What are you aiming at?
26:53The aim is to have one thought.
26:55One thought of the opposition.
26:57If you are sitting,
26:59then the thought is the same.
27:01It has been discussed.
27:03What are the issues in the country?
27:05What should we do?
27:07What role should we play?
27:09Everyone has a role.
27:11The government has a role,
27:13the opposition also has a role.
27:15To make the role of the opposition better,
27:17that is the thought.
27:1924th November, 26th November.
27:21Was the opposition's role in accordance with the constitution?
27:2324th November, 26th November.
27:25Look,
27:27it was wrong.
27:29But what the government did was a big mistake.
27:31It was a big mistake.
27:33Look,
27:35there is going to be a Jalsa in Lahore.
27:37Why do you stop the Jalsa?
27:39The government has made such laws
27:41that you are trying to suppress
27:43the opposition in the country.
27:45Look,
27:47the same work that Mr. Khan used to do,
27:49there is no discussion in the assembly,
27:51there are no issues in the assembly,
27:53the constitution is passed without reading it,
27:55the laws are passed without reading it.
27:57Why does this happen?
27:59I don't understand.
28:01Mr. Imran Khan also started this tradition.
28:03Before that, it was not so much.
28:05And now it has been completely stopped.
28:07Maulana Fazlur Rahman is also in your alliance.
28:09Have you met Maulana?
28:11He is also the Prime Minister of Pakistan Muslim League.
28:13Maulana was also with the opposition
28:15during the 26th amendment.
28:17By the way,
28:19will Maulana come to the point
28:21where you want the government
28:23to be given a cold shoulder completely?
28:25No, there is no need for a cold shoulder.
28:27There should be a relationship
28:29between the government and the opposition.
28:31There should be a dialogue.
28:33Otherwise, politics cannot change hatred.
28:35Doesn't PTA agree with this?
28:37Look,
28:39there are such parties in the opposition
28:41that have become politics.
28:43It is a politics of suppressing each other.
28:45It is a politics of arresting each other.
28:47It is a politics of breaking homes.
28:49You have changed politics in hatred.
28:51You have changed it in hostility.
28:53This cannot happen.
28:55But the government and the opposition
28:57should have a dialogue for the country.
28:59Not for the benefit.
29:01These people who make jokes
29:03that I take this, you take that.
29:05Such jokes do not exist.
29:07The purpose of the joke is for the benefit of the country.
29:09Will you reach out to the government
29:11when there is a consensus among you?
29:13No, the committee will not do anything.
29:15This is an administrative committee
29:17for coordination.
29:19Whenever there will be a meeting,
29:21all the other parties will sit down
29:23and discuss the issues.
29:25There will be a consensus on many things.
29:27Has there been a consensus on
29:29negotiating with the government?
29:31This has not been discussed yet.
29:33If there is a discussion, we will see.
29:35What is the point of negotiating with the government?
29:37The elections were discussed.
29:39The government was not a representative.
29:41The solution was the elections.
29:43This is the conclusion.
29:45If the government is not a representative,
29:47does it mean that all other governments
29:49are representatives?
29:51Is the government of the KPK
29:53also not a representative,
29:55considering that the federal government
29:57is not a representative,
29:59the Punjab government, the Sindh government
30:01are not a representative, then the KPK...
30:03No, if all are a representative,
30:05He used to say that these people are from Form 47, so PTI is also from Form 47.
30:08It will happen, it will happen. I am not saying that one is better than the other.
30:12If there has been a dispute in the National Assembly, then there can be a dispute in the Assembly.
30:17When there is a dispute in one place in the election, the number of disputes is not counted.
30:23There will be a dispute, that's it. The elections have been discussed.
30:26The governments are non-representative.
30:28Maulana Sahab demands that the elections should be held immediately. Do you agree?
30:33Do it immediately, but only if you can make it transparent.
30:36If you want to steal the elections, then don't do it at all.
30:39Don't use all this evidence.
30:43Maulana Sahab has not used ifs and buts.
30:45No, ifs and buts are used so that the elections are fair.
30:49The country needs fair elections.
30:51If they can do it, then the solution to such disputes is always in the elections.
30:58But unfortunately, our elections become a dispute.
31:03It's been a whole year since the PTA is celebrating Yawm-e-Siyah.
31:07Are there any opposition parties?
31:12Are they participating in any kind of Yawm-e-Siyah?
31:16No, there is no invitation.
31:19They are doing their own politics.
31:22Maulana Sahab has kept his program on the 10th.
31:25The rest of the people go to the extent of Kutibi.
31:28Are you and the Pakistan party doing such programs?
31:32No, we don't have any specific program.
31:35We are talking about the future.
31:37It's not a good anniversary.
31:39It's a matter of joy that we have completed a year.
31:42It's a matter of joy for the government.
31:44They are saying that we have completed a year.
31:46The economy is improving.
31:48Fitch has given a good report on Pakistan.
31:51Read it.
31:54Rana Ahsan Afzal was saying that our economy is improving.
31:59That's right.
32:01The negative growth in the economy is good.
32:05Your economy is negative.
32:09Jobs are not being created.
32:11You are not able to collect taxes.
32:13There is a shortage in your business.
32:16The economy is shrinking.
32:19People are running away from their country.
32:23The ships are going from Africa to Europe.
32:26They are drowning.
32:28This is a good sign of the economy.
32:30This is not a new thing.
32:32This is a human trafficking.
32:34I am sorry to say that this is not human trafficking.
32:37There were Somali people on this.
32:39There were people from Syria on this.
32:42There were people from Afghanistan on this.
32:44Now there are people from Pakistan.
32:46This is a very surprising thing.
32:48People are willing to spend millions of rupees to go to Africa.
32:53People are willing to spend millions of rupees to go to Europe.
32:57I am sorry to say that this government is not thinking right.
33:02What is the reason for them to think right?
33:05They don't know what is better.
33:07They haven't done anything.
33:09They haven't reformed anything.
33:11So the first step that you would want is to bring in the government.
33:14The opposition has come together.
33:16Mr. Rana and Mr. Sinhaullah are saying that it is a good thing that the opposition has come together.
33:20It will be easier for us to talk.
33:22Earlier we had to convince Mr. Khan.
33:24It is very difficult to convince Mr. Khan.
33:26If we talk now, it will be easier.
33:28Do you agree that it will be easier for the government to talk now?
33:31No, it won't be easy.
33:32Because they haven't even talked to the committees yet.
33:34We have to talk about the principles.
33:36I have said this before.
33:38I have said this on your program as well.
33:40This is a failure.
33:42Because there is no agenda.
33:45So you have to try to make matters better.
33:51The situation in your country is very worrisome.
33:54In every aspect.
33:56The rulers may not realize this.
33:59The biggest misfortune is that our rulers are blind.
34:03They can't see the damage.
34:05This happens in every ruler.
34:07But it has happened a lot here.
34:10For me, a very important thing is that the rulers can't see anything.
34:17The opposition will sit down.
34:19There is no agenda.
34:20What will we talk about?
34:21Till now, it was PTI.
34:22So, do we move on from here?
34:24Or will we keep moving around in a vicious circle?
34:28Where will we move on from?
34:30We can't spread hopelessness.
34:32If we do something, the hopelessness will end.
34:35When you are not talking at all.
34:37When you are attacking each other.
34:39You are destroying people's homes.
34:42You are suppressing people.
34:44You are closing people's mouths.
34:46You have violated fundamental rights.
34:48You have made laws against people.
34:50You have made reforms against people.
34:52Is this the way to improve?
34:54Interesting perspective.
34:55Thank you very much for joining me in the program.
34:58It's a pleasure having you.
34:59One thing is for sure.
35:00The situation is different in the government and in the opposition.
35:06We will talk about the report I was talking about.
35:10See you after the break.
35:15Welcome back after the break.
35:16Not all is gloom and doom in Pakistan.
35:19I am not talking about it.
35:20Fitch is talking about it.
35:21Fitch is a credit rating agency.
35:23Last year, the rating of Pakistan was increased from CCC to CCC+.
35:31Fitch has acknowledged Pakistan's economic progress.
35:36Pakistan is making a headway.
35:38It is making basic reforms in economic matters.
35:42According to Fitch's report,
35:4412% of the state bank's interest rate is a sign of decrease in inflation.
35:53Inflation will decrease.
35:54Interest rate will decrease.
35:56Due to interest rate, inflation will decrease.
36:00Inflation was 24% in June.
36:02In January, it was a little more than 2%.
36:06There was a 22% difference in inflation rate.
36:12Fitch says,
36:13The current account has been converted into surplus.
36:22Previously, the current account was a deficit.
36:24Now, it has been converted into surplus.
36:26This is also a positive indicator.
36:28Pakistan's credit account has gone up by 2.1 billion dollars in 6 months.
36:34In 2024 and 2025,
36:37The economy is expected to grow by 3%.
36:42Fitch also believes that
36:44The structural reform in the economy of Pakistan will be a sign of progress.
36:52Will we be able to sustain till the next IMF review?
37:02How will we get out of the IMF?
37:07Along with structural reforms,
37:09Extreme measures are also needed in Pakistan.
37:13Austerity measure is one of them.
37:17Take care of yourself.
37:19See you tomorrow.
37:20Allah Hafiz.