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00:00Yes, today's guest is Junko Hoshino.
00:03Nice to meet you.
00:05Nice to meet you, too.
00:06There's a thread on your shirt.
00:08Where?
00:09Here.
00:10I'm sorry.
00:11Today, Tsurube-san and I are wearing Junko Hoshino's clothes.
00:19Tsurube-san, you're suddenly a good man.
00:21No, I'm good. It suits me well, doesn't it?
00:23I was surprised.
00:24I thought this would be good, so I thought I'd wear it today.
00:29But I found out that this kind of modern thing suits you.
00:34I'm glad.
00:37I'm glad.
00:39I drew this.
00:41Is this it?
00:42It's not a print.
00:43I drew it myself, so there's only one in the world.
00:46Oh, I see.
00:48You drew it on the fabric?
00:49Yes, I drew it on a plain fabric.
00:52I can't wash it.
00:54You can't wash it?
00:57It's not a print.
00:58It's not a print.
00:59I drew it myself.
01:02You can't wash it.
01:03You can't drool on it.
01:05You can wear it.
01:06You can't stick rice grains on it.
01:09I don't know.
01:11It's youthful.
01:12I see.
01:13It's youthful, isn't it?
01:15It's really youthful, isn't it?
01:17It goes well with your bag.
01:21That green is good, too.
01:23Is that so?
01:24Yes.
01:25I'm the messiest person in this bag.
01:30No, no, no.
01:32I'm the messiest person in this bag.
01:34But both of you are plain.
01:36I'm the messiest person in this bag.
01:38I see.
01:39Let's hang it out somewhere.
01:41Let's hang it out somewhere.
01:42It's like a champagne party.
01:43It's like a champagne party.
01:45Junko Koshino, who has led the world of fashion, not only in Japan but also in the world.
01:56Her talent has reached many countries.
02:01How did you come up with the idea of the TIGERS costume?
02:05Fuseaki.
02:06Fuseaki.
02:07Mariko Kaga, Yasurikaze, and I are a trio.
02:10A trio?
02:11A trio.
02:13And Asadora.
02:15She talks a lot about her mother, who became a model for Carnation.
02:20My mother came and hugged me.
02:23My mother and I went on stage, and that was the beginning of my mother.
02:27At that time, I felt like I didn't have a life if I didn't cry.
02:33Tsurube and Saako.
02:35Two people who are the great seniors of Showa.
02:42You two are from Osaka.
02:44We are from Osaka.
02:45If you look this way, it's Osaka dialect.
02:49What dialect are you speaking now?
02:51It's not a station dialect.
02:54I'm from Kishiwada, so I have a lot of friends there.
02:59I went to their house.
03:02I went to the Kishiwada Danjiri festival.
03:07Everyone is watching from the second floor of the Koshino family.
03:10If you look from the second floor, you can see the roof of Danjiri.
03:13There is a picture of this.
03:18She is my granddaughter, but she is already 20 years old.
03:2120 years old.
03:22That's a long time ago.
03:24It's a boy.
03:25It's a good place.
03:27It's in the middle of the shopping district.
03:29It's been around for a long time.
03:32I was born and raised there, so I only know that place.
03:37I was born and raised there, so I only know that place.
03:47This picture is famous.
03:49Do you go back to Danjiri every year?
03:51If I don't go to Danjiri, I feel like I'm late.
03:55I feel like I've been left alone.
03:58I feel like I've been left alone.
04:00I feel like I've been left alone.
04:04Even when you can't go just by listening to the sound?
04:06Even when you can't go just by listening to the sound?
04:07I feel happy.
04:09That's what the city of Kishiwada is like.
04:13I don't know Osaka City.
04:15I only know Kishiwada City.
04:17It's straight to Tokyo, so I don't know Osaka City very well.
04:21Kishiwada and Tokyo.
04:24That's right.
04:25And Paris.
04:26That's right.
04:27So I don't know much about Osaka.
04:30I've been to Kishiwada many times since I was in high school.
04:35Is that so?
04:36I've been to udon restaurants.
04:38I've been to udon restaurants.
04:40Famous udon restaurants.
04:42I think it's there.
04:43Yoshinoya.
04:44No, it's not.
04:45It's not there anymore.
04:47Junko was born in Kishiwada.
04:52Your father died early.
04:55He was a soldier.
04:56You don't remember your father at all?
04:59He was a soldier.
05:00He was a soldier.
05:02I don't know when he was 2 or 3 years old.
05:04So when he came to his senses, his mother raised three daughters by herself.
05:11My mother had four sisters.
05:14She worked with her three sisters in her shop.
05:19My mother was the head of the family.
05:21That's how she started a clothing store.
05:25So she was really a woman.
05:27It's a good place.
05:29It's full of women.
05:30That's right.
05:31All the staff there were women.
05:34Oh, really?
05:35All the staff were women?
05:37The staff and the maids were all women.
05:40But my mother...
05:42I know my mother.
05:44Do you know her?
05:45Yes, I know her.
05:46She had a big head like a human.
05:51Did you meet her?
05:53No, I worked with her.
05:55That's good.
05:57I worked with her.
05:59That's a great proof.
06:00I'm so happy.
06:01That's right.
06:02My son played my father.
06:06That's right.
06:07In Carnation.
06:09Tsuruga Taro.
06:10Tsuruga Taro.
06:11My father.
06:12My father.
06:13My father played my father.
06:14I didn't know that.
06:16He played the role of Masaru Ohara.
06:18People often say, is he your son, Masaru Ohara?
06:22No, no.
06:23No?
06:24No.
06:25He played it.
06:27I see.
06:28So it means he is an all-man strong man.
06:30He is truly an all-man strong man.
06:34An all-man strong man.
06:35astrology
06:38I know this better than you.
06:40I know him better.
06:41Oh, I see.
06:44You should have known that earlier.
06:46We both know heos faster...
06:48But I think it's fine for your father to be plagued with marriage ahead.
06:51You said that.
06:53She's a very kind and warm person.
06:57Thank you very much.
06:59I can see that.
07:01In NHK's Carnation,
07:03of course, you've known her for a long time,
07:07but it's the drama that made the history of the Koshino family so famous.
07:14Yes, it's the drama in the end.
07:17Originally, in Meiji-da,
07:19there was a play about the life of the Koshino family in Meiji-da.
07:23Is that so?
07:25Originally, there was a drama in Osaka,
07:31but it became famous in Meiji-da,
07:33and it gradually became popular in Tokyo.
07:35Gradually?
07:36That's right.
07:37And then it finally became a drama in NHK.
07:39And then it finally became a drama in NHK.
07:41It took a long time.
07:42There are documents and books.
07:44It's amazing that it's been a month in Meiji-da.
07:48It's amazing, isn't it?
07:50Meiji-da is a Japanese thing, isn't it?
07:52It's a little rude to wear high heels and walk there, isn't it?
07:56That's right. It's the first time.
08:00I don't think there's anyone like that in that age.
08:04It's fate.
08:07I was on the TV of the Katsura branch.
08:12And when my child was little,
08:15my mother came to me and hugged me.
08:17And I cried.
08:19I'm not a crybaby, but I cried.
08:21So I asked my mother to come out,
08:23and my mother and I came out on stage.
08:25That's when my mother started.
08:27I got along with the host.
08:29That's where it started.
08:31It's kind of strange.
08:33If I hadn't cried at that time,
08:35I wouldn't have had a life.
08:37That's amazing.
08:39You must have felt like,
08:41I wish I could be on TV.
08:43There's a show called Shuto Shijaku no Nantoka.
08:47I was a guest on that show.
08:49My mother said,
08:51You're funny.
08:53That's how it started.
08:55My high school classmate
08:57was the editor of the magazine.
09:01He said,
09:03I want to publish a book.
09:05That's where it started.
09:07Because you cried.
09:09That book became a drama.
09:11It became a drama,
09:13and then it became a magazine.
09:15That's how it started.
09:17What was your mother like
09:19when you were a kid?
09:21She was always working.
09:23What did she do with the kids?
09:25She played with them.
09:27I know her.
09:29She went to a dance hall.
09:31She took her mom's shoes
09:33and secretly went out.
09:35I know that.
09:37She went to Osaka Metro.
09:39I knew Osaka Metro
09:41because I was little.
09:43Your mother must have been lonely.
09:45She was a warrior.
09:47She had a strong personality.
09:49That's right.
09:51I think it's interesting.
09:53From time to time,
09:55when young people
09:57from the dance hall come,
09:59they get along and eat together.
10:01Who comes often?
10:03Only girls.
10:05They come because it's interesting.
10:07I don't know if it's because
10:09I'm a newcomer,
10:11but young people
10:13from the dance hall
10:15often come.
10:17We often ate together.
10:19Did you get along?
10:21I don't know if we got along.
10:23How old were you?
10:25I was in elementary school.
10:27You must have known.
10:29Yes, I did.
10:31You must have known.
10:33What was she like as a girl?
10:35Did she make you jealous?
10:37No, she didn't.
10:39I saw her working hard,
10:41so I think
10:43everyone was satisfied.
10:45She was working hard.
10:47She wasn't lazy.
10:49She wasn't lazy?
10:51I don't know what she did,
10:53but she wasn't like that.
10:55She was active in everything.
10:57Was she a scary mother?
10:59No, she wasn't kind.
11:01She wasn't scary.
11:03I was afraid of her.
11:05I thought she wouldn't look at me,
11:07but she looked at me.
11:09She was looking at me.
11:11You were three sisters.
11:13Did she help you?
11:15Did she help you?
11:17My older sister
11:19stayed at my grandmother's house.
11:21If there were three of us,
11:23we would fight,
11:25so we couldn't work.
11:27We fought since we were little.
11:29Since there were so many women,
11:31she stayed by my mother's side.
11:33So I watched her work.
11:35So you were closest to your mother.
11:37Yes.
11:39I went to Tokyo early,
11:41so it was a little complicated,
11:43but when I was a kid,
11:45I stayed close to her.
11:47When you were in grade school,
11:49you sewed clothes.
11:51We had a shop,
11:53so customers came.
11:55When we ate lunch,
11:57we ate together.
11:59I had to make a shop sign.
12:01So she told me to make a shop sign.
12:03So I made a shop sign.
12:05She was there,
12:07but I was watching her.
12:09I secretly put out
12:11a small bag I made.
12:13It was square.
12:15I thought it would be a bag
12:17if I put a zipper on it.
12:19You made it yourself.
12:21I put it on the window
12:23when my mother wasn't there.
12:25I said,
12:27How much is it?
12:29I was surprised.
12:31I thought I had to say how much.
12:33I lied and said 300 yen.
12:35Did it sell?
12:37I wonder if it was expensive.
12:39I was scared.
12:41I thought I had to say anything.
12:43Who made it?
12:45I said I didn't make it.
12:47It's cheap.
12:49It's 300 yen for a kid to make.
12:51But isn't it nice
12:53to have someone else
12:55make it for you?
12:57I was so happy.
12:59I'm glad to hear that.
13:01Did that make you
13:03want to live in a Western-style house?
13:05I didn't want to live in a Western-style house.
13:07It was the environment
13:09I was born in.
13:11Customers always came
13:13to say hello when they ate.
13:15So I didn't have time to rest.
13:17So you had a house
13:19and a shop.
13:21But your mother
13:23and your sister
13:25all became famous.
13:29It's the environment.
13:31It's Kishiwada.
13:33It's Kishiwada.
13:35It's Kishiwada.
13:37There's no Kishiwada like that.
13:39It's Kishiwada.
13:41It's the top of fashion.
13:43It's amazing.
13:45It's strange.
13:47It's Kishiwada.
13:49Don't say that.
13:51It's Kishiwada High School.
13:53I was in the
13:55Fine Arts Department.
13:57There was an exhibition
13:59of paintings.
14:01It was the Tennoji era.
14:03You liked drawing.
14:05I drew oil paintings.
14:07I was confident in that.
14:09I was confident in that.
14:11I wanted to go to Tokyo
14:13to study fine arts.
14:15I wanted to go to Tokyo to study fine arts.
14:17I wanted to go to Tokyo to study fine arts.
14:19I started to go to school
14:21to study fine arts.
14:25And after graduating from high school,
14:27the situation changed.
14:29A flowery designer's life
14:31began.
14:33It began with Tigers.
14:35Really?
14:37The idea of creating Tigers' costumes
14:39was Akira Fuse.
14:41Akira Fuse.
14:43It was a great time.
14:45In 1957, Shigeo Nagashima decided to become a giant in his hometown of Aima, Yurakucho in Frank Nagai's hometown.
14:57After graduating from high school, Junko Koshino became a teacher.
15:03Her life as a designer began to blossom.
15:08As soon as I went, there was a contest.
15:12At first, I drew a picture.
15:16At the age of 18, I won a prize.
15:20That's a great prize.
15:23That's all I have.
15:26It's a cultural school, isn't it?
15:29There was a magazine called Soen.
15:31There was a museum for Soen's older sisters.
15:34When I was in high school, Soen was the most fashionable magazine.
15:40I wanted to wear this kind of clothes.
15:43At the age of 18, I won a prize.
15:46I went to Tokyo for half a year.
15:49I took a picture in less than a year.
15:52You were surprised, weren't you?
15:54Not at all.
15:56I wasn't happy at all.
15:58Didn't you like it?
16:00You didn't know Soen, did you?
16:02I don't think I know it now.
16:04If you wanted to do that kind of work, you should have known Soen.
16:07There were three of us, and I was busy.
16:11Did your sister go to Soen, too?
16:14No, she went back to Tokyo.
16:18What about your sister?
16:20My sister went to London.
16:24Because my sister was in Osaka, and I was in Tokyo.
16:28I didn't have a place to go.
16:30You must have been upset.
16:32How can I walk a different path from my sister?
16:36No matter where I go, it's a transit.
16:40That's what she said.
16:43Did the three of you get along well with each other?
16:48We were very close.
16:51But we always compare things.
16:54Who sits where?
16:56Which one is the biggest?
16:58We always compare things.
17:00That's real.
17:02When I interviewed my sister in the past,
17:05she was the one who won the award first.
17:08I was so frustrated that I couldn't forgive her.
17:12We went to the same high school, and we have the same culture.
17:15So you've always been on good terms with your sister.
17:18That's why I won the award first.
17:21I won the award in high school, and I won the award in culture.
17:25You couldn't forgive her.
17:27She still hates me for that.
17:30I'm so frustrated.
17:33I'm so frustrated.
17:35You shouldn't be frustrated.
17:37You should be angry.
17:39I'm still angry.
17:41I've been saying that all my life.
17:44When you started your career as a fashion designer,
17:47you didn't even have a name, did you?
17:50I used to be called a clothing designer.
17:53You were called a clothing designer.
17:56That's how you were treated.
17:58Fashion is classified as a category.
18:02Classified?
18:04That's right.
18:06It's classified as a category.
18:09It's classified as a category.
18:12It wasn't recognized as a category, was it?
18:15That's right.
18:17It's classified as an industry.
18:20I see.
18:22That's just the way it is.
18:25So you didn't have anything difficult to do?
18:28That's it. Ignorance.
18:31Ignorance.
18:33It's no use arguing about it.
18:36It's like your mother's blood is being sucked into you.
18:40Speaking of ignorance,
18:42your hairstyle was a big hit when you were young.
18:47When did you get this hairstyle?
18:49I got it when I was in junior high school.
18:51Junior high school?
18:53My parents were very close to the hairdressers.
18:58When I went to the hairdresser,
19:00all I had to do was cut my hair.
19:02I didn't grow it out.
19:04Of course.
19:06You wanted to grow it out, didn't you?
19:08That's right.
19:10It would be strange if you had a different hairstyle.
19:12I've done it before, but it didn't look good on me.
19:14Have you ever done it?
19:16I've done it once.
19:18I have a lot of friends who are hairdressers,
19:20so if I put a little perm on my hair,
19:22it would never look good on me.
19:24It's a soba style.
19:26You know what I mean.
19:28I wanted to do a soba style.
19:30Do it.
19:32Even now.
19:34Afro.
19:36Afro.
19:38Where did you go?
19:40Do you know where I went?
19:42Where did you go?
19:44I left it at home.
19:46A Japanese fashion designer
19:48became very popular abroad.
19:50He was like a pioneer.
19:52At that time,
19:54he was a classmate of
19:56Kenzo Takada
19:58and Matsuda Nikoro.
20:00Do you know them well?
20:02I know them well.
20:04At that time,
20:06I was in junior high school,
20:08and I was reading a play.
20:10I was happy to see
20:12new artists one after another.
20:14It's not just one person.
20:16It's not just three people.
20:18Did you get along well?
20:20Yes.
20:22We are always together.
20:24We are actually rivals.
20:26We are rivals in our hearts,
20:28but we get along very well.
20:30I was told that
20:32I was going to win a prize.
20:34You were a team to win a prize.
20:36What was new
20:38about this team?
20:40I was born
20:42in a competition
20:44with three sisters,
20:46so it's natural.
20:48You can't lose.
20:50I don't say that
20:52I can't lose,
20:54but it's in my heart.
20:56I don't know how many
20:58of the three sisters were there,
21:00but they were
21:02very popular.
21:04Issei became a friend
21:06of Siria in Soenshou.
21:08They were very popular.
21:10Not only in the same school.
21:12They all had long hair.
21:14They were in charge of
21:16Japanese fashion.
21:18I was a judge
21:20at Soenshou.
21:22How long did you do it?
21:24What made you shine?
21:26I don't look at the past.
21:28The past is basic.
21:30It doesn't move.
21:32The future is free.
21:34It's a world of imagination.
21:36The world of imagination
21:38is about personality.
21:40It's all about
21:42what you express.
21:44It's a matter of course
21:46about technology.
21:48It's a theme
21:50about how to do
21:52what no one else does.
21:54Japanese fashion is
21:56Western.
21:58Paris is the center of fashion.
22:00As a Japanese,
22:02can't you keep up?
22:04If you go to Paris,
22:06you can see Japan.
22:08Did you go to Paris
22:10in the 1950s?
22:12No, it was in 1978.
22:14I'm sorry.
22:16Fashion is about history.
22:18It's about the Showa era.
22:20It's about the Showa era.
22:22It's not about the Showa era.
22:24It's about the Showa era.
22:26I'm sorry.
22:28It was in 1978.
22:30Yes.
22:32It was the year
22:34when Eikichi Yazawa
22:36won the national award
22:38for time travel.
22:40It was in 1978.
22:42It was the year
22:44when Junko Koshino
22:46won the national award
22:48for time travel.
22:50It's the same for everyone.
22:52Once you go abroad,
22:54if you don't like Japan,
22:56you'll think Japan is better.
22:58You'll think it's far away.
23:00So it's important
23:02to go abroad.
23:04What did you notice?
23:06Japanese culture,
23:08traditions,
23:10I was interested in
23:12things I didn't notice.
23:14When you were young?
23:16I longed for Europe.
23:18If you don't do something,
23:20it's not a trip.
23:22It's not a trip.
23:24It's different from a trip.
23:26It's different from a trip.
23:28There's a boutique
23:30on Avenue Montaigne.
23:32It's like Ginza Street.
23:34There's a boutique there.
23:36I have a house there.
23:38You have a house?
23:40Yes, on Avenue Montaigne.
23:42Does anyone live there?
23:44I go there once in a while.
23:46I see.
23:48Just having a house
23:50makes you feel like
23:52you're a local.
23:54It's important to have a house.
23:56It's hard to maintain a house.
23:58That's why you work.
24:00I have a maid.
24:02She goes there regularly.
24:04How often do you go to Japan?
24:06I go mainly to Japan.
24:08I see.
24:10I go to Paris,
24:12twice a year.
24:14It's important to
24:16have a serious competition
24:18and to be evaluated.
24:20I think that's important.
24:22It's the same in Kyoto.
24:24In Kyoto,
24:26people look down on you.
24:28But once you do something,
24:30they recognize you.
24:32It's similar to Kyoto and Paris.
24:34You're interested in food.
24:36Yes.
24:38It's similar.
24:40If you do something
24:42and people recognize you,
24:44it's good.
24:46I see.
24:48But you can't just be conservative.
24:50That's why you need to be confident.
24:52In Kyoto,
24:54it's not about
24:56being 100% conservative.
24:58It's about the percentage of people
25:00who are confident.
25:02I think it's similar to that.
25:04You go to Paris
25:06every year.
25:08Even if you don't,
25:10you keep coming up with
25:12new ideas.
25:14You've been doing this
25:16for more than half a century.
25:18I've been doing this
25:20for a long time,
25:22but I'm always confident.
25:24Don't you feel like you're being
25:26self-absorbed?
25:28No, I think today is the right day.
25:30Today is more fresh than yesterday.
25:32Am I wrong?
25:34No, you're right.
25:36I was there yesterday.
25:38I'm confident.
25:40I've been doing Paris Collection for 22 years.
25:42No matter where I go in the world,
25:44I'm not afraid of anything.
25:46I did it at the Metropolitan in New York.
25:48You did it in Cuba, too.
25:50Yes, before that.
25:52I want to go to Cuba, too.
25:54I want to go to Cuba.
25:56I'm doing a show in Cuba.
25:58I want to go to Cuba.
26:00I want to go to Cuba.
26:02I'm doing it while dancing.
26:04There's a nightclub called
26:06the Club de la Nuit.
26:08It's a club.
26:10There was a Latin Quarter in the past.
26:12It's an open-air club.
26:14It's outside in the woods.
26:16It's natural.
26:18Even if it rains,
26:20I wait until it stops.
26:22I don't stop.
26:24I clean up after that.
26:26All the guests are dancing.
26:28It doesn't matter how old you are.
26:30You've always been great
26:32in that sense.
26:34When people say,
26:36what was good about the past,
26:38I say,
26:40the past is better than tomorrow.
26:42The past doesn't change.
26:44The past doesn't change.
26:46I know the group Sounds.
26:48I know.
26:50When I think about it,
26:52they're all boys.
26:54They're not making ladies.
26:56They're not making new clothes.
26:58They're making images
27:00of their characters.
27:02They're making the word unisex.
27:04That's where the word unisex came from.
27:06I didn't know that.
27:08It's not like I'm making a new bride.
27:10I'm not making a man.
27:12I'm not making a lady.
27:14That's where
27:16unisex comes from.
27:18They're wearing
27:20a man's blouse.
27:22That's a good idea.
27:24It was great when
27:26Julie wore a blouse.
27:28It started with the blouse.
27:30It was fun.
27:32The five of us
27:34had more impact than one person.
27:36We made a long coat.
27:38I see.
27:40If you look closely,
27:42they're not exactly the same.
27:44They're different.
27:46They're not the same.
27:48They're a team.
27:50It started with Tigers.
27:52What made you make
27:54that costume?
27:56Fuse Akira.
27:58Is he the vice-president?
28:00No.
28:02Fuse Akira
28:04was in charge of
28:06Watanabe Productions.
28:08The timing was perfect.
28:10Yasui Kazumi was good friends with him.
28:12So,
28:14it was a whirlwind of ideas.
28:16Everyone was young at the time.
28:18They were the eggs
28:20of the artists.
28:22They were different types of people.
28:24They were young
28:26and always
28:28interacted with the top artists.
28:30Who were they?
28:32Writers like Shuji Terayama.
28:34Shuji Terayama.
28:36And Juro Kara.
28:38Juro Kara.
28:40He was an interesting and revolutionary person.
28:42He created a good era.
28:44I think that's how
28:46the cultural era started.
28:48The so-called musicians
28:50came to the canteen.
28:52Yes.
28:54He was one of them.
28:56He was one of them?
28:58Yes.
29:00Like Spiders.
29:02That's where
29:04TigerSquare started.
29:06There was Mariko Kaga.
29:08Mariko Kaga, Yasui Kazumi and I
29:10were a group of three.
29:12A group of three.
29:14Did you just play around?
29:16Well,
29:18playing around
29:20might be a kind of
29:22modernization.
29:24If you think about it now,
29:26it's a modernization.
29:28That's right.
29:30There was also a disco.
29:32Like Vibros.
29:34A group of cool people
29:36from all over the world
29:38were there.
29:40Yasui Kazumi was
29:42in Adam's band.
29:44That's right.
29:46Adam was there.
29:48That's amazing.
29:50Like Tina Turner.
29:52Diana Ross.
29:54She was on the stage.
29:56Budokan.
29:58Budokan.
30:00She said,
30:02Junko, come on!
30:04I had a present for her.
30:06She didn't come out
30:08so I thought I'd go home.
30:10When I stood up,
30:12she looked at me.
30:14She said,
30:16Junko, come on!
30:18I thought it was okay
30:20and went up to the stage.
30:22I asked her what she was going to do
30:24with the clothes I gave her.
30:26She said,
30:28Junko, come on!
30:30It was a fashion show.
30:32She was a great entertainer.
30:34I think that's when
30:36she got her start.
30:38It was a flash.
30:40That's right.
30:42The audience got on the stage.
30:44That's right.
30:46Usually,
30:48when famous people
30:50ask their managers
30:52about their trip,
30:54they do it right in front of them.
30:56She said,
30:58this is my friend.
31:00She was at the store all of a sudden.
31:02That's right.
31:04In New York,
31:06there was a hair designer
31:08called Yusuke Suga.
31:10He was close to Tetsuko.
31:12They were good friends.
31:14He said,
31:16I'm going to Japan.
31:18I'm going to introduce you to
31:20Junko's store.
31:22I asked him casually.
31:24He really came.
31:26I asked him casually.
31:28He really came.
31:30When I saw him,
31:32he said,
31:34I'm going to buy all of these clothes.
31:36I was so happy,
31:38but I didn't know
31:40what to do tomorrow.
31:42Suddenly,
31:44he said,
31:46I'm going to sell half of them.
31:48I thought,
31:50why not?
31:52I sold half of them.
31:54I brought a lot of them
31:56to the insurance company.
31:58I saw the show on the first day.
32:00I said,
32:02of course I want to see it.
32:04I went to the dressing room.
32:06There was a shocking pink
32:08Dolman sleeve
32:10I said,
32:12I saw it in New York.
32:14At the Ushitoria Hotel.
32:16I saw the show
32:18for the first time
32:20by myself.
32:22I saw it by chance.
32:24I remember it very strongly.
32:26I said,
32:28this is it.
32:30It's rare to see it.
32:32I was so happy.
32:34It's a small thing.
32:36You became an important person.
32:38I was so happy.
32:40That's how you became Budokan.
32:42You became my friend.
32:46It's just a piece of clothing,
32:48but it has a meaning.
32:50Everything has a meaning.
32:52It's guided.
32:54It's impossible
32:56if you don't say it out loud.
32:58There are emotions and encounters.
33:00Encounters are big.
33:02Encounters are big.
33:04Encounters are big.
33:06It's not the end.
33:08There are more and more.
33:12I'm familiar with
33:14Mr. Uno Akira.
33:16Mr. Nagatomo.
33:18Mr. Kenzo Takada.
33:20Mr. Kansai Yamamoto.
33:22Mr. Kansai became a designer
33:24because of me.
33:26That's right.
33:28I went to Yokohama
33:30for the first time
33:32to send someone abroad.
33:34I went to Yokohama
33:36by boat.
33:38I said goodbye
33:40to him.
33:42He came to me
33:44and asked me
33:46to show him
33:48the back of my jacket.
33:50It was so realistic.
33:52There were people
33:54who were glancing at me.
33:56I was going to see him off.
33:58He came to me
34:00and said,
34:02You have a strong impression
34:04of a rose.
34:06You can see it without a collar.
34:08He was glancing at me.
34:10He was glancing at me.
34:12He was getting closer.
34:14He was big.
34:16He said,
34:18Show me the back of your jacket.
34:20I said,
34:22I'm not a bad person.
34:24I'm not a bad person.
34:26I said,
34:28I'm not a bad person.
34:30He said,
34:32Show me your phone number.
34:34I said,
34:36I'm not a bad person.
34:38I'm not a bad person.
34:40I'm just here to see you off.
34:42I'm just here to see you off.
34:44He said,
34:46Can I go to your shop tomorrow?
34:48I said,
34:50I'm at the atelier.
34:52He said,
34:54I'm at the atelier.
34:56I said,
34:58Can you come out of there?
35:02He decided not to move.
35:04He decided not to move.
35:06I understand him.
35:08I understand him.
35:10I understand him.
35:12He said,
35:14He said,
35:18I'm old,
35:22but I don't have my parents' permission.
35:24I don't know what to say.
35:26I was so moved.
35:29I was told I couldn't do it.
35:32But you weren't a designer at that time.
35:36I was a first-year student.
35:39A first-year student?
35:40I was in the cheerleading club.
35:42I was doing something like this.
35:45Like this?
35:47You know, right?
35:48That's the design.
35:49I was doing something like this.
35:53You were in the cheerleading club?
35:55You were a student for a while?
35:57Yes, I was.
35:59That's amazing.
36:01The designers who represented Japan
36:04came out of that era like a bamboo shoot.
36:10They created an era.
36:12What is that?
36:13It's not an era if you're alone.
36:15It's the beginning of a boom.
36:20What was the name of Nagashima's titan?
36:23Yes, Blue Zone.
36:24Was that also a design?
36:26Yes, it was.
36:28After this...
36:29Nagashima-san is standing on the moon.
36:33The legend of the genius, Shigeo Nagashima.
36:38I want to run.
36:40Yes, running is the best.
36:45What was the name of Nagashima-san's titan?
36:48Yes, Blue Zone.
36:49Was that also a design?
36:51Yes, it was.
36:52Nagashima-san is a very charming and interesting person.
36:56This jacket...
36:59It's like a jumper.
37:00I don't know how to say it in Nagashima-san's words,
37:05but I heard it from a warrior.
37:07This is a reversible jacket made by Junko Koshino.
37:11It doesn't say reversible.
37:13It says it's a reversible Givenchy.
37:18It says it's a reversible Givenchy.
37:21Yes, it says it's a Givenchy.
37:23I didn't know it was a Givenchy.
37:25Yes, I didn't know it was a Givenchy.
37:28We talked about it twice.
37:30In the first talk,
37:32he said,
37:33please come to the 3rd floor of New Otani.
37:35I got on the elevator and got off on the 3rd floor.
37:38The hallway was very long.
37:40Nagashima-san was standing on the moon.
37:44It was a long walk.
37:47As soon as I got there, he thanked me.
37:50When I raised my head, he thanked me again.
37:53When I looked at his face?
37:55When I raised my head, he thanked me again.
37:58When I walked again, he thanked me again.
38:01When I was in trouble, he thanked me again.
38:03The hallway was very long.
38:04It was very long.
38:05I was standing on the moon.
38:07I couldn't hide.
38:08It was long, wasn't it?
38:09In that sense, he's a cute person.
38:11Yes, he's cute.
38:13When I go to New Otani, I remember him.
38:16He's a big boy.
38:18I want him to stop it.
38:20I want him to stop it.
38:21I want to run.
38:22That's right.
38:23When I run, I remember him the most.
38:25When I run, I remember him the most.
38:28I have a question.
38:30You named it Killer Street.
38:33Is that right?
38:34That's right.
38:35That's a nice name.
38:36That's right.
38:37What did it mean?
38:39Mr. Sakaiya, who often visited Osaka Bangbang in 1970,
38:45there was no name on the street.
38:48Was there no name?
38:49There was no name.
38:50I recently moved to a boutique on Aoyama Street.
38:54I tried to write a map of the street.
38:58But there was no name.
38:59I asked an old person,
39:00What kind of person named it?
39:01He said,
39:02It's all right.
39:03He said it casually.
39:04I said,
39:05Oh, I see.
39:06There was a grave right in front of us.
39:08I can't remember the name.
39:10Aoyama cemetery?
39:11Yes, yes.
39:12It was a joke.
39:15I thought it was a good name.
39:17Kira-dori.
39:18I see.
39:19I was surprised.
39:20It was new.
39:21I printed it out on my own.
39:23Kira-dori.
39:24So I got in the taxi and said,
39:25Excuse me, please go to Kira-dori.
39:27Where is it?
39:28I'll tell you now.
39:29You don't know?
39:30I don't know.
39:31Then I'll tell you now.
39:32This is Kira-dori.
39:33Oh, I see.
39:34I'm sorry.
39:35I repeated it over and over again.
39:36You repeated it?
39:37Yes.
39:38And then,
39:39Oh!
39:40It's Kuchikomi Kira-dori.
39:42Kuchikomi Kira-dori.
39:43Yes.
39:44Before I knew it,
39:45Kira-dori.
39:46I printed it out on my own.
39:47No one else printed it out.
39:49I thought it would be natural for people to come later,
39:51so they printed it out for me.
39:52I see.
39:53I thought it would be natural for people to come later,
39:54so they printed it out for me.
39:55That's how it is.
39:56It's not like anyone else said it.
39:57It's natural.
39:58Recently,
39:59Kira-dori has been closed down.
40:04There was a person who said it was because of Kira-dori.
40:07Oh, I see.
40:08Then I turned it over and said,
40:09Look, it says Lucky.
40:12Lucky?
40:13Lucky.
40:14It says Kira-dori.
40:15Can you turn it upside down and look at it?
40:18It says Lucky.
40:19Oh, I see.
40:20That's how it is.
40:21But that's a good name.
40:23And behind it is Lucky, right?
40:25Lucky.
40:26That's right.
40:27With intuition.
40:28But it's true that Kira-dori was named after the first Tokyo Olympics.
40:33At that time, it didn't have a name.
40:34No, it didn't.
40:35And around there,
40:36there were really new fashion shops,
40:38like Nicole, Mademoiselle Non Non, and Pink House.
40:42Non Non was in Harajuku.
40:45It was a small shop.
40:48Oh, that's Milk.
40:49Milk, too.
40:50Milk, too.
40:51Yes, Milk.
40:52Like Maguchi Ikeni.
40:53You know a lot about it.
40:54I admired it at the time.
40:55I can't wear it myself,
40:57but there were really great fashion people.
41:00It's very valuable.
41:02Also, Tachiki-san,
41:05the cameraman,
41:07Shiroyama Kishin-san,
41:09those people came out to the public,
41:11and I thought they were really cool.
41:13Sakata-san,
41:14there were really famous cameramen.
41:16It was a boom.
41:17It was like a press corps.
41:19It was a period of time.
41:22There were special stories,
41:24and magazines.
41:25Yazaki-san.
41:26Yes, Yazaki-san.
41:27He was very detailed.
41:30I'm glad we got to talk about this.
41:32It's a period of time.
41:33People who made the period.
41:36It's like they were in the middle of it.
41:39When did people who had that sense
41:43like magma
41:46explode?
41:50I feel like it's a mystery.
41:52It's the beginning.
41:54It's the beginning.
41:55It's the beginning.
41:57It's not just fashion.
41:58It's not just fashion.
41:59It's a period where everyone,
42:00photographers, writers,
42:01everyone wants to write.
42:03The world of music, too.
42:04Everyone.
42:06There are a lot of seeds here,
42:09but it doesn't feel like
42:11we're making a period.
42:13Periods aren't just dots.
42:15They spread out to the surface.
42:17It's a period of time
42:19when people feel the same
42:21way as you do.
42:282025.
42:30Junko Koshino's present and future.
42:35Even now,
42:37is there something that
42:39inspires you?
42:41Inspiration?
42:42There are new jobs.
42:44Recently, I've been doing Ego.
42:46Ego?
42:47Ego.
42:48Who do you do it with?
42:49The Ego Association.
42:50You go there and do it?
42:52We get together somewhere.
42:54You could do it on the bridge, too.
42:57I like Ego.
42:58What's so interesting about it?
43:00When I get hooked on it,
43:02I take my Ego for my phone
43:04and say,
43:05I want to do it.
43:06I don't do it with my mom.
43:08You use your head.
43:10It's fun when you start doing it.
43:12I see.
43:14I'll do it next time.
43:16Junko Koshino's Ego.
43:18Ego?
43:19I'll do it at a party.
43:21Won't you come see it?
43:22You all go to parties and do Ego?
43:24Yes.
43:25We'll have dinner
43:27and do a fashion show with Ego's black and white.
43:30I see.
43:32Won't you come?
43:33That's great.
43:34Do I have to show this?
43:36This is fine.
43:37This is fine?
43:38Please walk.
43:40Do I have to walk?
43:42No, anything is fine.
43:44The fashion show is all black and white, right?
43:47That's right.
43:48That's how it is.
43:49I see.
43:50Ego, thank you.
43:52Ego, thank you.
43:54I'll make it myself.
43:56I see.
43:57I'm not talking about Ego's uniform.
43:59I'm making a cloak for the winner.
44:02I see.
44:04It's like when a Tokyo University student graduates.
44:07It's a unique cloak.
44:10A cloak?
44:11Yes, a cloak.
44:12When you win,
44:14you don't look good in a winning attire.
44:16So I'll wear a hat
44:18and a cloak.
44:20I'll make it look like I have dignity.
44:23You haven't done it yet?
44:25I'm in the middle of it.
44:26In the middle of it?
44:27Yes, in the middle of it.
44:28When you first met Wadaiko,
44:30you didn't know if you were interested in anything.
44:33No matter how many times I was told, I didn't go.
44:35You were told many times?
44:36I was told many times.
44:37So I said,
44:38I'll do it in my neighborhood,
44:41so please come.
44:43I went and it was the finale.
44:45From there,
44:46I was like,
44:47it would be interesting if I changed my clothes.
44:49I was like,
44:50it would be amazing if I changed my clothes.
44:52Wadaiko's amazing clothes.
44:55I'll do it in the evening.
44:57Really?
44:58I'll do it on the 15th or 16th of May.
45:01You'll do it in the evening?
45:03Yes, I'll do it.
45:04I'll do it with my senior,
45:06my advisor,
45:08and my senior.
45:10Wadaiko.
45:11He's so cool.
45:13He always has a smile.
45:14He doesn't look tired.
45:16He always has a smile.
45:17No matter how much you hit him.
45:19Yes.
45:21He looks like he's having fun.
45:23It's strange to have an advisor, isn't it?
45:26It's strange.
45:28I've met him.
45:31It's been 14 years.
45:34After I did my costume,
45:36I did Broadway,
45:37Las Vegas,
45:39and I'll do it abroad.
45:41So half of the team
45:42always goes on tours in the U.S. or Germany.
45:44You'll do it abroad?
45:45Yes, I'll do it.
45:46Wadaiko is amazing,
45:47I can't believe he's doing it.
45:49We've talked about a lot of things.
45:51It was fun.
45:52Reiwa 7 years,
45:53Reiwa 7 years,
45:5419 million years?
45:55No, not Reiwa.
45:562025.
45:57Yes.
45:58The day of 2025.
46:00How was it for you, Junko Koshino?
46:02I think 25 years is the beginning of a new culture.
46:06After all,
46:07this is the first time
46:09I'm talking about Ego here.
46:11It's the first time.
46:13It's the first time
46:15that something new begins.
46:17I want to challenge myself
46:19to do something new.
46:22You want to do more and more.
46:24I want to do it.
46:25I'm so happy.
46:27Let's do it, Ego.
46:29No, not Ego.
46:33At the end,
46:34a great senior in Showa,
46:36Junko Koshino's words of life.
46:42Now is important.
46:44Junko Koshino.
46:51I was able to work with my best friends.
46:55I could speak English and French.
46:57It was really international.
46:59We played a lot and studied a lot.
47:01We were social.
47:03We were normal anywhere in the world.
47:06Why are there people like that?
47:08Why are there people like that?
47:10It's a waste.
47:12I was born and raised in a poor era.
47:14I have a great sense.
47:16Why are there people like that?
47:18At the beginning of my 20s,
47:20I had a good feeling.
47:22Not only in Japan,
47:24I brought people from New York.
47:26Mr. Kazumi,
47:28I call him Zuzu.
47:30Zuzu is my business.
47:32He connected me with Watanabe Pro.
47:34He connected me with Paris.
47:36I like to play.
47:38It's not just a game.
47:40I always go to places
47:42where I can't go.
47:44I always go to places
47:46where I can't go.
47:48In St. Tropez,
47:50there is a hotel called Vibros.
47:52There is a club called Vibros
47:54in the basement of the hotel.
47:56Big Jagger comes there.
47:58I go to that point.
48:00You have courage.
48:02I go there because
48:04I have a good sense and intuition.
48:06I don't go to places
48:08where I can't go.
48:10I go to places
48:12because I have Zuzu.
48:14Even if you think
48:16you can't go,
48:18you go to places
48:20where you can go.
48:22You have curiosity.
48:24The energy of curiosity is different.
48:26Now I can understand
48:28anything on the internet,
48:30so my curiosity is reduced.
48:32I think I am important
48:34in the world.
48:36I'm sorry.
48:38I'll do it again.
48:40I'll do it forever.
48:42The next guest is
48:44Takashi Sasano,
48:46an actor.
48:48He has a lot of charms
48:50that he didn't know
48:52about.
48:54Please look forward to it.
48:56I wish I could come again.
48:58Please invite me again.
49:00Really.
49:02I'll come again.
49:04I'm your neighbor.