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00:00:00I am joined by Robert Griffin, the third James White field. Yes, Mina Kimes. All right. So

00:00:10first play, we're going to look at second into one of the Patriots first offensive plays.

00:00:18What's going on everybody? Mike Cadillac here. Taylor Kyle's there back with our normal Monday

00:00:24edition of the Patriots daily podcast. Now that it is into the off season, it feels like

00:00:29it is truly a Patriots daily show touching on everything going on around the Patriots

00:00:35Taylor. So thanks for joining me. Thanks for being here. Thanks for getting our show together

00:00:39today because we are jam packed with a ton of stuff. We're going to start with some coaching

00:00:43staff updates, and then what we're going to do for the rest of the show is basically run

00:00:47through what Mike Vrabel talked about in his introductory press conference a week ago today,

00:00:53hitting on the rules of the team, the culture he wants to build, his annual goals, what

00:00:58he expects out of his players, what he expects out of his coaches, and also we'll touch on

00:01:02Drake May in the passing game to sort of wrap it up.

00:01:05So going to be a good show here, excited to kind of riff and go back and forth about all

00:01:09of that stuff. But first we have to start with the most breaking news of the Patriots

00:01:13off season. And that is that special teams coordinator, Jeremy Springer, he is going

00:01:17to return to the team in 2025, notably in the same role as well. Not that he would have

00:01:22taken into motion necessarily, but we know the connection that Mike Vrabel has with Tom

00:01:25Quinn, which we'll get to here. Feel like there's a pretty good chance that he remains

00:01:30on staff. Springer was great this year. They really flipped and revamped that special teams

00:01:37unit. Brendan Schouler goes from a serial penalty creator last year to an all-pro first

00:01:44team NFLPA AP, and today comes out as the PFWA's first team all-pro special teamer.

00:01:50So did a great, done a great work with him, and he is going to return in 2025.

00:01:55So Taylor, your thoughts on retaining Springer? Do you think it was the right decision? Do

00:01:59you think they could have, should have went elsewhere? Or ultimately, did they make the

00:02:02right move? And just your thoughts of him returning in 2025?

00:02:06Definitely I think the right move because he took a unit that was one of the worst in

00:02:09the NFL when he got there and turned them into a group that was much closer to the top

00:02:13of the middle of the pack. And not only that, but what he got out of rookies where Marcellus

00:02:17Dial was immediately the guy who essentially replaced Matthew Slater as the gunner opposite

00:02:21Brendan Schouler. You also had Del Pettis, who Jeremy Springer actually called out because

00:02:26I think it was Lowe's who tweeted about him. And then Jeremy Springer pointed out like

00:02:29he was the quarterback of the punt team from day one as a rookie, an undrafted free agent

00:02:34rookie, extremely impressive there. So when he was able to get out of those rookies, the

00:02:40fact that Marcus Jones, it's easy to kind of forget because he got hurt and wasn't there

00:02:43towards the end of the season, but he had an excellent season as a returner, might've

00:02:47been voted to the Pro Bowl himself, I think if he'd actually been able to finish the season

00:02:51and stayed at the front of people's minds. But obviously, you know, when you go down

00:02:54Andrew returner, it's the kind of role where there's usually like a handful of deserving

00:02:58candidates and sometimes it comes down to who can just be on the field the most on top

00:03:02of making the biggest impact. So yeah, I love the idea of Jeremy Springer coming back. He

00:03:06was always great when we spoke to him. We always talked about how Alex Van Pelt was

00:03:09probably the best coordinator coach that we got to speak to on a regular basis, but Jeremy

00:03:13Springer was right up there. The amount of insight he's able to bring in perspective,

00:03:18relationship with Brendan score, I think is significant. He's known score since he

00:03:21first got to college. Um, so they have a connection. Like I think they, uh, schooler also knows,

00:03:26um, schooler it, Oh my God, Brett Springer, no schoolers brother. There we go. Yes. Yes,

00:03:34that's right. Yeah. So, um, so obviously not a reason you keep somebody, but that's a pretty

00:03:38cool connection there because Brendan schooler is going to be there for long Herm for the

00:03:42long haul and Joe Cardona, even the fact that he had a handful of tackles for the first

00:03:46time in his career. And we found out it was because that in other seasons he wasn't allowed

00:03:51to go down field and make tackles, which is pretty funny. So maybe we get a pro bowl season

00:03:56out of Joe Cardona next year, who knows? But yeah, I think one of the best moves and one

00:04:00of those obvious moves that felt like in terms of potential retentions was keep Jeremy Springer,

00:04:04him plus Tom Quinn looking forward to what happens next season, how they can continue

00:04:09to grow.

00:04:10Yeah. Three first time coordinators and AVP, uh, Covington and Jeremy Springer, I would

00:04:14say Springer definitely, uh, made the most of, uh, his sort of his sort, his chance,

00:04:19I guess, AVP also up there. We know what he did, the Drake mag we'll get into him and

00:04:24his, uh, potential involvement in the offense as we move forward in the show. But yeah,

00:04:27good on Springer. I think, uh, like you said, the one that made the most sense there's,

00:04:32it doesn't necessarily make a ton of sense to bring AVP back or for him to come back

00:04:36in a reduced role.

00:04:37Same goes for DeMarcus Covington, but this one good unit, uh, one that really flipped

00:04:41since last season. Uh, so good stuff for Springer. They're, um, moving, uh, you know,

00:04:48continuing on and being their special teams coordinator heading into next season. Uh,

00:04:51let's continue on here with the rest of the coaching staff updates before we get in to

00:04:55the rules of rebel. Um, I guess non Patriots quickly, we can touch on some news around

00:05:01the NFL and that is that Ben Johnson was just hired as the Chicago bears.

00:05:06Head coach, uh, felt like there was a lot of momentum, uh, coming in from the Las Vegas

00:05:11Raiders of late thought that Brady sort of was going to make a push there. I know that

00:05:15Diana Rossini just tweeted a couple of minutes ago that him and, uh, Bramble and Brady spent

00:05:19six hours on a zoom together the other day to kind of trying to see if they can make

00:05:23that work.

00:05:24But he goes to Chicago, starts to work with Caleb Williams. Uh, and now he is going to

00:05:28be there. And then Lou Anna Rumo, someone who potentially was on the radar as somebody

00:05:33the Patriots could bring in as their defensive coordinator after being fired by Cincinnati

00:05:37last week. Uh, he is now, he has just been hired as the Indianapolis Colt defensive coordinator.

00:05:42So two quick moves, uh, things are starting to really ramp up here. We get Springer, we

00:05:47get Johnson and then we get Anna room on those, uh, just over the last hour. Yeah. Ben Johnson,

00:05:52it always seemed like it was the Patriots and the bears as the top teams in the said

00:05:55coaching candidate search. I know that there was a lot of talk of, Oh, if you dilly dally,

00:06:00you might lose Mike Rable to the jets or the Raiders. And I'm just like, I'm sorry.

00:06:04But those are teams where in terms of resources, they're not exactly overflowing the way the

00:06:09Patriots are. They also don't have their quarterback situations figured out ownership. Even with

00:06:13Vegas having Tom Brady, like he has to be the figurehead because Mark Davis is not someone

00:06:17I think people are jumping through hoops to work for same with Woody Johnson and all that.

00:06:21But with the bears, they don't have as good of an ownership situation because obviously

00:06:25like they stuck with Eber flues, they don't really love to spend a lot of money. And that's

00:06:30why I thought the Patriots probably the top candidate on the market, but the bears have

00:06:33their quarterback, most of their rosters figured out and they have enough capital to be able

00:06:37to shore up.

00:06:38I think a lot of the spots where they are weak, really, you just need a culture change.

00:06:41And I think some more stability and coordination on the offensive side of the ball. So Ben

00:06:46Johnson there makes a ton of sense. And then Louie and the Raiders, but before we get to,

00:06:50before I let you go on an Emerald in a room real quick, the Raiders thing, it only really

00:06:54made sense because of the Brady factor, right? It felt like he was going to switch to, they

00:06:59100% because like, again, the quarterback situations where you had one here in Drake,

00:07:04you have a promising one here. I mean, in Chicago and Caleb Williams, then even Jacksonville

00:07:08who sort of was lurking in the Ben Johnson sweepstakes, they have Trevor Lawrence as

00:07:11well.

00:07:12And he could have probably taken him to the next level. The Raiders is such a mystery.

00:07:15They have the 12th overall pick, but there's no real clear cut answer there. And I think

00:07:19that's something that Ben Johnson, as well as Mike, Mike Vrabel wanted in their next

00:07:24job. So, but yeah, anyway, go ahead, Louie. I know he was someone that was on your radar

00:07:27to essentially come here.

00:07:29Yeah. So the bears actually just hired a defensive coordinator recently. Let me see the name.

00:07:34I just had it. I believe they just hired somebody. Where is it? I just had it and now it's gone.

00:07:39Well, anyway, I thought Louie in a remote was somebody who made sense for Ben Johnson.

00:07:43They worked together in Miami. Also, I thought Louie in a room could make sense.

00:07:47Oh, it's Dennis Allen. Dennis Allen is coming on with Ben Johnson.

00:07:50Okay. There you go. There you go. So that makes sense. But I also thought that the fact

00:07:55that Terrell Williams has been tied to the Patriots because of his history with Mike

00:07:59Vrabel, he was his defensive line coach and assistant head coach in the last season. They

00:08:02were together in Tennessee. He was on the same staff as Louie in a room when they were

00:08:05in Miami as well. I figured maybe you give once again, Terrell Williams, that assistant

00:08:10head coach title. So he maybe works with the front then Louie in a room or more works with

00:08:14like the secondary. And that's kind of his area of expertise. Thought it could have worked,

00:08:17but you know, a really good defense coordinator now with the Colts going to be able to help

00:08:21out against CJ Stratton for the foreseeable future. And the Patriots still not sure where

00:08:25they're going to go with DC, but like Ben Johnson, that lion staff is going to start

00:08:30to make their mass exodus now that they're out of the playoffs. So look for something

00:08:33on Terrell Williams, probably sooner than later.

00:08:35I was going to say, let's stay on that for a second. Cause I know that Dan Campbell spoke

00:08:39this morning in his end of season press conference about how they're kind of getting themselves

00:08:43ready to lose out on Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn. And I feel like Terrell Williams could

00:08:48potentially be somebody who maybe Detroit could go after as their DC, someone who's

00:08:53worked in as their offense or their defensive line coach was the assistant head coach with

00:08:57Brable. So I wonder if he would rather stay there and get promoted. I don't know. He didn't

00:09:03seem like he was on a short list, any of all the, any of the research I saw for Detroit,

00:09:07but it feels like he could potentially come here to new England.

00:09:09I know Mike Reese mentioned him as a potential option as well. So yeah, look out for that.

00:09:14I think that that could be a reasonable choice here, especially with Anna Rumo off the board.

00:09:19Now let's talk offense for the Patriots staff because Mike Reese after, I want to say a

00:09:24couple hours after we did our coaching staff audit last Friday, Reese reported that Bob

00:09:29McNell, a tight ends coach, Bob McNell wide receivers coaches, Tyler Hughes and Taekwon

00:09:34Underwood and running backs coach Taylor Embry will not be returning. And then we also just

00:09:40found out this morning that Scott Peters, as well as Mike McCarthy will be headed to

00:09:45Cincinnati to take over their offensive line room.

00:09:48So before we get into anything out, we'll kick it back to me so I can set up in a second,

00:09:54but Scott Peters, your guy, you loved them. You loved the track that this was going. Did

00:09:59the Patriots make a mistake, not trying to retain Scott Peters in the room?

00:10:02I don't know if I can say a mistake. Cause I have no idea what exactly Mike Grable's

00:10:06decision is for the offensive line. If he has somebody in mind, cause I thought if he

00:10:10didn't have an offensive line coach really already in his Rolex and yeah, it made a ton

00:10:14of sense to go with Scott Peters because he's already been there. He's highly respected.

00:10:18You talk to Brian Callahan, who's one of the, or Bill Callahan, I'm sorry. One of the best

00:10:22offensive line coaches in history. You also ask Jim McNally, another legendary offensive

00:10:27line coach. They have a ton, a ton of respect for what Scott Peters does. And obviously

00:10:31he was handed a tough position with all the injuries and lack of talent on the offensive

00:10:35line. I know that you could point out the fact that city. So took a step back under him. You

00:10:41could point to the fact that it took late Robinson a long time to really get the strike

00:10:46system under control, where it felt like he showed any comfort really in the offense on

00:10:49a consistent basis. But we also related it at one point to kind of like the offense under Brady

00:10:54where yes, it's complicated. And that's why you'd like to have more veterans and players

00:10:58who can adapt more quickly in that kind of system, because yes, it's a little more difficult

00:11:03mentally, but it's going to pay off because you're going to have so many answers as long

00:11:06as you know how to use them. So I think it makes sense. If you want to be more of this

00:11:11draft and develop team, maybe a coach who is better developing young players has experienced

00:11:15developing young players. And we know that Mike Bray was going to be involved in the

00:11:18offensive line as well. I'm also going to look really fast. I know that Titans assistant

00:11:23offensive line coach is someone who would actually have maybe a little bit of experience

00:11:28with the strike system because he worked under Bill Callahan and he remained on the

00:11:33staff while Vrabel was there. Let me see who the coach is really quick. I'm looking up

00:11:37their staff right now on the Patriots offensive line staff too. I wonder the Peters and McCarthy

00:11:43go, Robert Kugler sounds like he's still sticking around and he is also working at the, is it

00:11:49the East West Reinvall as well? He's headed somewhere. I know that Drew Wilkins is coaching

00:11:55the defense, but I also, I'm pretty sure Robert Kugler is coaching the offensive teams

00:12:01as well. So look, that doesn't necessarily mean he's sticking around, but it sounds like

00:12:06he's another guy, another assistant who's well-respected just like Drew Wilkins. He doesn't

00:12:10leave for Cincinnati. So I wonder if that means that he has sort of a handshake agreement

00:12:14to potentially have a role here next year as well.

00:12:16I do remember when he was hired, they said the same about Michael McCarthy to be fair,

00:12:20but I do remember hearing from like a few places that Kugler is somebody who's very

00:12:25highly respected and rising in the coaching ranks. So yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if

00:12:27he does stick around. Yep. Did you find out who you were looking for on that? I did not

00:12:32know. Honestly, that's fine. Okay. That's all good. Let's keep it here then on the offensive

00:12:38side and the coordinator search. Interesting note this morning, Taylor listening into Mike

00:12:43Reese on Felger and Maz who actually did the morning shift for 98 five and sports hub this

00:12:48morning, Mike Reese was talking about where the Patriots offensive coordinator search

00:12:53is going. And he doesn't sound as confident as some of the national talking heads that

00:12:59Josh McDaniels is necessarily the favorite in the clubhouse to be the Patriots next offensive

00:13:04coordinator.

00:13:05He was mentioned how he never has actually coached with Mike variable. So there's not

00:13:10that relate. Yes, there's a relationship. They've known each other. He's local, but

00:13:15it was a player coach relationship. It wasn't a coach coach relationship. So he was kind

00:13:20of pumping the brakes a little bit. I don't know if it didn't, I couldn't tell if it

00:13:23was necessarily informed, if it was purely speculation on Reese's front. Uh, but that's

00:13:29starting to tell me that maybe Josh, uh, isn't as much as said and done as it sounded like

00:13:34it was last week. Um, and then on the other side of things with Thomas Brown, Marcus Brady

00:13:38coming in two guys who have worked under Frank Reich.

00:13:43I wonder if Frank Reich's the guy I'm sort of take stealing slash morphing a take from

00:13:47Evan Lazar, patriots.com who mentioned and sort of connected the dots where Thomas Brown,

00:13:54Marcus Brady, unfortunately have to be the Rooney rule candidates, and then come in and

00:13:59work under Frank Reich, who they've worked with in the past. Those dots connected. I

00:14:03know Reich and Brable at least knew each other from the AFC South coached against each other

00:14:09Titans Colts, uh, for a couple of years there, it sounds like he has all the respect in the

00:14:12world. Uh, so I wonder if Frank Reich's going to kind of swoop in and maybe get this job.

00:14:17Uh, ahead of Josh McDaniels, what do you make of all of it?

00:14:21He, at least as someone who has experienced it, he obviously played quarterback Frank

00:14:24Reich, um, for the bills for awhile. There was like a great backup for them and has experience

00:14:29working with quarterbacks. So if they didn't want to go the Frank Reich route, that's definitely

00:14:33one that I'd feel more comfortable with. And I think it does make sense to throw in some

00:14:36water on Josh McDaniels. Like, I don't know, we haven't covered like very long enough,

00:14:41so I don't really know how comfortable he is kind of just lying to our faces or maybe

00:14:45he's playing things and, you know, skirting the truth. But when he says he's got a long

00:14:49list, I believe him. And I do think it's smart for him to want to get as many resources as

00:14:53he can, knowing how valuable a commodity Drake may is. So if it comes to him, just wanting

00:14:58to make sure that he's being thorough and not rushing into the decision. Yeah. Maybe

00:15:02you don't want to just pigeon yourself into Josh. Um, then with Frank Reich, like you

00:15:06said, some familiarity with his work, maybe Frank Reich, someone who's better as an offensive

00:15:11coordinator type more as an offensive guru than he is as a head coach and somebody

00:15:15leading a franchise. That's a really important part of this. Maybe kind of a similar story

00:15:19to a Josh McDaniels. And I know that Frank Reich got a lot of credit for his work with

00:15:24the quarterbacks, especially when he was in Philly. I know like, I think the big reason

00:15:28that he became a head coach was what he was able to do, obviously with Nick Bowles when

00:15:31they won the super bowl work in Philly. And then, uh, and I, I don't remember if it was

00:15:36necessarily him on staff or who was there, but no, I think it was, he went through the,

00:15:41the Andrew luck situation, Andrew luck. Oh yeah. And then retired. Then he got thrown

00:15:47Jacoby reset. Uh, he had Phillip rivers. He had Matt Ryan and then ends up getting fired.

00:15:52He still made the playoffs with both of those guys, uh, at the back end. So it did pretty

00:15:56good work with the, he actually, no, no, no, no. So he wasn't. So he actually, he left

00:16:01the year they drafted Andrew luck. That was 2012. They drafted Andrew luck. He was the

00:16:05Cardinals receivers coach in 2012, 2013. He went to the charges and was a quarterback's

00:16:10coach was the chargers coordinator from 2014 to 2015. Then he jumped on with the Eagles

00:16:15from 2016 to 27. No, but yeah, but I'm saying he was, he was in Indy when Andrew luck retired,

00:16:21which was in 2020, 2018, 2019. When did he get hired? Yes. I'm sorry. I'm yeah. I'm sorry.

00:16:29When he worked. Yes. What did Andrew look? That might've been the year. Was it 20? I

00:16:32want to say 29, 2018, 2019 August, 2019. Okay. So yeah. So he worked with Reich his first

00:16:39year, Andrew luck, and then Andrew luck essentially abruptly retires. And so then Frank Reich

00:16:44was the head coach and had to go through Jacoby Berset, Matt Ryan, Phillip rivers in like

00:16:50a three year span, trying to figure that out. Still took them to the playoff. So he's done

00:16:53good work with quarterbacks as well. I'm trying to think if there's somebody I'm confusing

00:16:57about those, I was Doug Peters. I mean, in my head, I mixed them up with Doug Peters

00:17:01for some reason. I think it's because of the Eagle connection and they're just like old

00:17:04looking white dudes.

00:17:05So that's okay. No, but yeah, so that's, that's yeah. We're on the same page now. So

00:17:10I, so he was the OC with Philly when they had foals and uh, when they had Carson Wentz

00:17:18and then Nick Foles wins a super bowl with Nick Foles, then goes to Indy, gets screwed

00:17:22quarterback there, gets fired and then got a raw deal with Carolina, by the way, 11 games,

00:17:28a timid or not the opposite of a timid owner. Somebody who just pulled the rug right under

00:17:32him out out of 11 games, hasn't been in the league since starting to warm up to Frank

00:17:36Reich.

00:17:37It feels like the tea leaves are kind of falling in place here, uh, with him essentially. I

00:17:41will say I'll look it up real quick. I feel like his tenure in Carolina wasn't fully because

00:17:46he just got a raw deal. Um, why did Frank Reich fail in Carolina? Let me look at a real

00:17:51quick cause I feel like he wasn't really great either and didn't do it. Um, Bryce young,

00:17:56I'm just going to grok it real quick and see what, uh, the Twitter algorithm says. 14 performance

00:18:01was the first one. Yeah, one master. Come on. AI struggles with rookie Bryce young

00:18:06offensive coordination issues. There were inconsistencies in the play calling. Right.

00:18:11Initially handed over play calling duties to coordinator Thomas Brown only to take them

00:18:15back weeks later. This back and forth indicated a lack of clear strategy or confidence in

00:18:19the offensive approach, which likely contributed to the team's poor performance.

00:18:23Then you also got philosophical mismatches. There was a reported clash and offensive philosophies

00:18:28among Reich staff. The offensive line coach, James Campan was known for a power run scheme

00:18:32while Thomas Brown came from a background that emphasized pre-snap and post-snap movement

00:18:37and Reich himself had a spread offense background. Ooh, this diversity and coaching philosophies

00:18:41might've led to a disjointed who put this staff together. That sounds ridiculous. That's

00:18:45how it does. Yeah, it does. Uh, all right. Well, that's hard concerns at least if he

00:18:50is the candidate, like clearly whatever was going on with that staff and them working

00:18:55together, it was not working out. So I don't know if he, that maybe worries me about him

00:18:59being the guy who's going to be your offensive head coach.

00:19:02That's a good point. It's fair. Um, there's just, again, there's the, the decent connections

00:19:05there. I'm looking at two, his head coaching record. So he got fired after a three, five

00:19:09and one start with Indy in 2022 and then got hired by Carolina, started one in 10 and got

00:19:15canned after 11 games. So it hasn't been great, but it's not, again, it's the head coach first

00:19:20OC thing, right. That we talk about with Josh, maybe there's a better chance he comes in

00:19:24head coach of the offense has a better understanding, but we'll see. Uh, but I think the big story

00:19:29here today is what Reese mentioned on the sports hub that it doesn't feel like McDaniel's

00:19:33could necessarily be the favorite. Uh, so we'll see what happens there, but let's get

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00:21:55All right, let's have some fun. Mike Vrabel's rules. We have a ton of fun talking points

00:22:01here for the show. We're going to go through everything or mostly everything Mike Vrabel

00:22:05had to say about his rules, about his culture, and how he wants to run this team. Obviously,

00:22:11all empty words until they happen. And that's kind of where things went with Gerard Mayo

00:22:16last year. And that's why I think it's important that we take a look at these and kind of map

00:22:20it out and have some fun. And we'll start with the rules of Mike Vrabel. And he mentioned

00:22:24them right off the top pretty much in his press conference. So we have some videos.

00:22:28We'll use those. We'll play them back and forth and go for it. So here's what Mike Vrabel

00:22:31said about his rules of the team.

00:22:33We're not going to have a whole lot of rules. We're going to start with being on time and

00:22:37being respectful and being able to communicate like anybody else would outside this building.

00:22:46If you were late for an appointment, if you had something going on, that we're going to

00:22:50have people that are around the players for them to be able to trust and say, hey, I've

00:22:54got this going on. And I've tried to do this in Tennessee that if somebody walks in the

00:22:59door at 745 and they just, you know, there's, there's something on their face that they're,

00:23:04they're wearing something.

00:23:05They're holding onto something that something's not right. I would rather give that player

00:23:0930 minutes or 45 minutes, whatever, however much amount of time that he needs to take

00:23:13care of a situation. Then the seven hours that he's going to waste wearing it through

00:23:18the day. And I want to provide as many points of contact with the players so that they feel

00:23:23comfortable.

00:23:24Taylor, I like it. I feel like it's, you know, there's a, we've mentioned that he sort

00:23:30of is the middleman between Gerard Mayo and Bill Belichick where he, you know, the hard

00:23:34ass vibe that people didn't like with Bill, but also relationship builder and give guys

00:23:39their credit understands the mental side of things. So it makes a lot of sense. Just be

00:23:44on time, communicate, and sort of, I respect you. You respect each other thing with these

00:23:48patrons.

00:23:49And that's supposed to be the groundwork of any of these championship teams. Like when

00:23:52you watch, especially behind the scenes, when the Patriots are winning championships,

00:23:56when any of these teams are winning championships, the coolest part of it is they usually feel

00:24:01like a genuine family. Like that you can tell these guys really do work their butts off

00:24:05for each other. And you start to see it, not just on the offense, not just on the defense,

00:24:10but you see a shared respect among everyone. Now, obviously in a winning locker room, you're

00:24:14going to get that. But I think, and we're going to talk about this later. It's not just

00:24:18going to be when they're winning.

00:24:19I think it's going to be a culture where I think the Patriots, I will say, I think Bill

00:24:23did a good job of installing a culture where guys really did buy into needing to care about

00:24:28one another. And that's through things that people's talked about. Like you need to know

00:24:32about the opponents. You need to know about your teammates where you get quizzed and everyone's

00:24:36constantly on edge because they know that somebody could ask you a question about a

00:24:40teammate or, you know, an opponent you're about to face. And if you don't know, then

00:24:44you become kind of an outsider where all these other people are working their butts off to

00:24:47constantly be on point. And now obviously there's some players are going to skirt that

00:24:51like Frabel said, you don't want a bunch of Mike Frabel's running around, but you do want

00:24:55some common perspective when it comes to that shared respect, wanting to fight for your

00:25:00brother and all those camaraderie kind of buzz terms that we hear all the time.

00:25:03But they really do matter when things get tough, like we've seen the past couple of years

00:25:08and you have to fight through that adversity where, hey, if this is another like five, if

00:25:11this is a five win season, a six win season, no one's going to be happy with that, even if

00:25:15it's step in the right direction.

00:25:16So you still need to have that bit of unity to be able to persevere and be able to build

00:25:21on any of the potential lessons that you learn from losing in all those hardships.

00:25:26100 percent. And I like the the culture aspect, which we're going to get to right now and

00:25:30sort of what he says about it's not just the culture when you're winning, but you really

00:25:34learn about that culture when you're losing as well.

00:25:36So I want to play that here.

00:25:37Now we'll kind of dive into all the bits and pieces of what he had to say about the culture

00:25:41that the Patriots are going to have here.

00:25:43Our football team, I want to galvanize this building.

00:25:46I want to galvanize our fans and the most important thing are the players.

00:25:50There's some of them right here.

00:25:52I want to provide a program that provides their ownership, but also their

00:25:58accountability of each other and one that they'll be proud to be a part of and that

00:26:03they're going to fight for. You know, you guys are going to ask me questions about

00:26:07culture, which I'll be happy to talk about and discuss.

00:26:12One thing I've realized about culture is that you can find out what your culture looks

00:26:16like when your family, your business or your team is at its low point.

00:26:20It's not when you're winning Super Bowls or it's not when you're seven and one or ten

00:26:24and one, because then everybody's waving towels and everybody's happy and they're

00:26:29excited to come to work.

00:26:31But when you get hit in the mouth or you're down or the chips are against you, you

00:26:35know, then you can take a snapshot of what your company or your team looks like and

00:26:39then you'll find out what kind of culture you have.

00:26:41But that culture is going to be built on winning a competitive spirit throughout our

00:26:47roster, throughout our players and throughout our coaches and our staff and the

00:26:52ability to put the team first and care about somebody other than yourself.

00:26:57And I'm excited to do that.

00:26:59I'm excited to get to work.

00:27:03I love it. Culture is built on winning.

00:27:05It's built on a competitive spirit throughout your roster, coaches and staff and the

00:27:08ability to put the team first and care about somebody other than yourself.

00:27:14And I mean, winning should be first on this list, right?

00:27:17It's pretty easy to just assume, yeah, you know, but no, because if you're not winning,

00:27:21that culture is not going to be existing and you're going to be out of there in a few

00:27:23years. And that's one thing that I think Gerard and Mike both made a point to establish

00:27:29the fact that like there shouldn't be a timeline on this, that it is going to take time

00:27:33before they get to where they want to be at.

00:27:35But it is important.

00:27:36And I think, again, Mayo did this at times, but saying like it is hard to build a culture

00:27:40when you're not winning.

00:27:41And that's where a lot of these other things are going to come through, where you do

00:27:45want that competitive spirit on the roster.

00:27:46And that comes with who you bring in your building, right?

00:27:48If you want to bring in someone who's going to be like what Mike Braybill described,

00:27:51where you come in, you want a free meal, you don't want to get coached hard, you just

00:27:55want to leave. That's going to spread throughout the locker room.

00:27:58That's going to become contagious.

00:28:00If you draft and draft like young players and sign free agents who are constantly

00:28:06competing, whether it's, you know, they would have we always hear the old stories about

00:28:09like how guys would compete to drink water, like to do all these throughout the day and

00:28:14throughout practice that just created that constant desire to be better because the guy

00:28:19next to you was working his butt off and he was trying to hold you to that same standard.

00:28:23But also at some point, if you're the kind of player that fits this culture, you don't

00:28:27need to be pushed because you already have that in you.

00:28:29And then it's just you're feeding off each other.

00:28:32And then the ability to care about not just yourself at the end of the season.

00:28:36We were hearing that some players were, you know, maybe speaking out of school where

00:28:40they weren't really living up to everything that they were saying.

00:28:43And you started to feel like some players thought the guys weren't as bought in maybe

00:28:46and they weren't really trying their hardest.

00:28:48And again, this is a rebuild.

00:28:50Even if they're, you know, commanders type rebuild where they are in the playoffs next

00:28:54year and everything's great when things do get hard.

00:28:57Once again, you still want to have enough people in your building and enough guardrails

00:29:03in place to ensure that it is still one where you are fighting hard, not just for yourself

00:29:08and for your family and for your paycheck.

00:29:10Obviously, those things are at the top of the list, but it also does have to be an element

00:29:13of you caring about the other guys around you.

00:29:15I like that.

00:29:16The quote here where we don't have it in the clip, but he says we want to treat every

00:29:19player the same way they treat the team and we want to treat every employee the same way

00:29:24they treat the team.

00:29:24So it's not just, you know, it's what you're giving back and what the team gives back to

00:29:29you.

00:29:29And again, I don't want to say they're empty words because they're not, but with

00:29:33winning, being at the top of this list, like, you know, that can be your, you know, your

00:29:37rah-rah, this is what we're going to do and this is why we're going to do it.

00:29:40When that turns into winning, that's where it really sort of, you know, sets itself up

00:29:45for success.

00:29:45And the fact that he's done this in the past as well, you know, with Tennessee obviously

00:29:49makes it a little bit easier for him to sort of convey and be like, look, this is what

00:29:54you're going to do.

00:29:54This is what you're going to do for us.

00:29:55And then we're going to give this, you know, we're going to give this to you and then

00:29:58you're going to give it back.

00:29:59It's like a, it's a hand in hand.

00:30:02Yeah, right.

00:30:02Yeah, exactly.

00:30:03And so, and then also the entitlement with the football team.

00:30:06I thought this was the big one.

00:30:07I want to shot her around the world.

00:30:09I want to play that again real quick as well.

00:30:10Then we don't have as many clips until the very end.

00:30:12But this was an important one that, like you said, made a lot of waves, but also made a

00:30:16lot of sense compared to where this team was last year.

00:30:18And we're going to earn the right to be here every day.

00:30:22We're going to remove entitlement from, from our football team.

00:30:27We're going to, we're going to get everything that we've earned from, from the head coach

00:30:32to the position coaches, all the way down to the players.

00:30:35And we're going to earn the right to be here every single day.

00:30:38Um, you know, I always say that, you know, I don't want to get into too many messages

00:30:44that'll be geared for the players.

00:30:45You know, but I hold those, those conversations, um, you know, those are special

00:30:50conversations between the coaches and the players, but, you know, we want to treat every

00:30:54player the same way they treat the team.

00:30:55And we want to treat every employee the same way that they treat the team.

00:30:59And if they care about the team, uh, and they come here with a great attitude and a

00:31:03willingness to work and help the team, I've asked Robert to do everything that we can

00:31:08for them to support them and their families.

00:31:11That that's the type of environment that I want to build and I'm excited about it.

00:31:16So I'll let you go on the, the, the entitlement thing in a second, but I didn't realize

00:31:20we had the audio there.

00:31:21I said, we didn't about the, we're going to give you what you give to the team where I

00:31:26feel like sometimes, and maybe I'm wrong and maybe I'm putting words in these guys'

00:31:30mouths, but like, you know, Tom Brady, for example, right.

00:31:33Gave everything to the Patriots.

00:31:35He gave it as all he did as a coach.

00:31:38He's worked his tail off and then towards the end, he felt like he wasn't getting

00:31:42anything back, right?

00:31:43It was, you know, he's still, you know, uh, bill still won't pay me.

00:31:47I still feel like I'm, you know, low on the totem pole here.

00:31:51I want to be paid.

00:31:51I, and I want something back and he wasn't getting it.

00:31:54What Frabel is saying is you come in here, you work your ass off every single day, and

00:31:58we're going to take care of you.

00:31:59We're going to take care of you from an ownership level.

00:32:01You're going to have the best facility.

00:32:02You're going to have the best mental health.

00:32:04You're like, you're going to have the best, you know, you're going to have the

00:32:07best mental health.

00:32:08You're like, you're going to, you're going to feel like you're getting something back

00:32:11as long as you come in here and work hard every single day.

00:32:14And that's something that we heard from the other regime as well, that they wanted to

00:32:18make sure that players felt like they were appreciated.

00:32:20Whether that was the fact that for years on years, you had players who were productive

00:32:24that you drafted and brought in that you didn't end up resigning for one reason or

00:32:28another.

00:32:29And it got to the point where, Oh, you look up into Ron Harmon is the only early round

00:32:33pick that had ever actually gotten a second contract in the past, like decades.

00:32:36So that's part of it.

00:32:37I think they're building new stadium.

00:32:39Um, I think that Mike variable, he seemed very aware of what was wrong with the

00:32:43organization and what outsiders thought about it.

00:32:45Obviously they've been getting horrendous grades when it comes to the facilities and

00:32:48all the resources, even not having a daycare area for players, uh, children and

00:32:54their spouses, which I think they put in this year.

00:32:56So yeah, it makes a lot of sense for rebel to hit on, because that is something that

00:32:59cannot be left with the old regime.

00:33:01You need to have this be a destination again, and that's something else they hit on.

00:33:05And one of the ways you do that is by having facilities that people get excited

00:33:08about when they come on their free agent tours, not something they look at and

00:33:11think, Oh my God, this is the worst workout room, locker room, what have you

00:33:15that I've seen in any of my free agent visits?

00:33:18Totally.

00:33:18Uh, all right, let's get into player expectations and, uh, player expectations.

00:33:23Uh, and we also have non-negotiables, which we're all looped in here.

00:33:27Uh, but essentially like variable says, we're going to demand effort and finish.

00:33:30People ask what the non-negotiables are.

00:33:32Our effort and our finish is going to be, uh, the contract

00:33:35that we make to our teammates.

00:33:36That will be my job to make sure it's the greatest compliment you ever receive

00:33:40as a coach, that your players work hard.

00:33:42I'm paraphrasing there.

00:33:43The leaders are going to be the ones defining the culture and the

00:33:46culture will be what drives and gives you that result that we're after.

00:33:50Uh, so the type of player, when, when you get into scouting and

00:33:52evaluation, every team has height, weight, speed, that's, Oh wait,

00:33:56that's, that's a different thing.

00:33:57But regardless, sorry, player expectations, a grand scheme of things.

00:34:00What do you make of what he had to say?

00:34:02Are they attainable?

00:34:03And, uh, just your thoughts on this aspect of labels rules.

00:34:05I mean, they're absolutely attainable because like you said, our effort

00:34:08and our finish or that's the contract.

00:34:10And he said, it's my job to make sure that we get that.

00:34:13We didn't get that all the time last year.

00:34:15And we always pointed to, it's hard to know if Gerard is doing enough behind

00:34:20the scenes to get this out of players.

00:34:21Like, are you making sure you're holding them accountable when

00:34:24they do something wrong?

00:34:24Are they running laps?

00:34:25You know, are you benching guys when you have to, and we started to see that

00:34:28benching then didn't really pop up, but you also at times did have like

00:34:31players get cut players in significantly reduced roles.

00:34:34It's not like guys are running around doing what they wanted.

00:34:37But at the end of the day, when you watch the Patriots, you didn't see them

00:34:40as a defense or an offense, really either side of the ball where consistently

00:34:44you're like, these guys really play hard.

00:34:46Or, you know, they're playing with their hair on fire.

00:34:49You shouldn't see that.

00:34:50We'll get into more.

00:34:50Why a little bit later, I actually know we'll do it right now because part

00:34:53of that is knowing what to do, the preparation process and whether that's

00:34:57the fact that, um, variable can actually go to different positions and kind

00:35:00of coach them up, which I think was so valuable for bill where you understand.

00:35:05And I think there's a certain level of respect you gain when your defensive

00:35:08coach can also work with offensive linemen, work with tight ends, maybe

00:35:11give receivers a tip or two, like those things are really helpful.

00:35:14And I think that dynamic coaching ability is also going to help the coaches because

00:35:18they're going to understand what the standard is because when my variables

00:35:21go into their circuit and saying something, it's not just for the players.

00:35:23It's for the coaches as well.

00:35:24Um, and then to put the team first, we kind of already talked about that, but

00:35:27moving back into what we mentioned, playing fast and aggressive so many times

00:35:31the defense, maybe less so on the backend because they had more veterans, but even

00:35:35times on the backend, it just felt like players didn't know what they were doing.

00:35:38A lot of the time.

00:35:40And one of Rabel's quotes in his opening presser was you can't tell when a player

00:35:43is scared to do something or when he doesn't know what to do, because

00:35:45we'll do the same thing.

00:35:46He's got to stand there and slow to react.

00:35:49Now if players know exactly what's coming and they say, okay, I have a

00:35:53combined Rolodex of what could potentially happen in this situation.

00:35:56Now I can just react instead of thinking.

00:35:59I think that's what my brain was going to bring, especially when you talk

00:36:02about the defensive side of the ball.

00:36:03A hundred percent.

00:36:04I think that that's the, that's the main one here, right?

00:36:06Is, is knowing what to do.

00:36:08And obviously knowing what to do turns into playing fast, having

00:36:11effort and finishing through right.

00:36:13Where it felt like too many times, offensively and defensively, there were

00:36:17far too many mental gaffes, uh, with your IBOs team last year, offensively.

00:36:21You saw it from the receiver room.

00:36:22You also saw it from the offensive line with, you know, just blatant false

00:36:25starts and things of that nature, which sometimes it's impossible

00:36:28to take them all out of the game, but you can definitely, uh, you

00:36:32know, pull back a little bit.

00:36:33And then defensively, it felt like too many times, at least in the

00:36:36defensive backfield, from the safety position with guys like Kyle Duggar,

00:36:39thinking too much, being slow to react.

00:36:42And I hate to put it on Duggar because he was also playing injured.

00:36:44So I want to, but you're right.

00:36:46It definitely comes from the mental side of things and just being able to, you

00:36:50mentioned the Rolodex, right.

00:36:52And knowing if this happens, this is where I go.

00:36:54And I feel like, again, I keep going back to Tom Brady and the

00:36:56old ways of the Patriots.

00:36:58Right.

00:36:58But that's really where if you just, and it's, it goes in the preparation

00:37:02where Brady tells this story where he was asked by, I think, Colin cowherd

00:37:06a couple of weeks ago on the herd, like, did it become too much?

00:37:09Was, was, was built too much of a stickler to have all these, uh, you

00:37:14know, these rules and have to be on, not even be on time, but just all the

00:37:19meetings and the constant prep.

00:37:21And Brady was like, no, it actually made our job a million times easier

00:37:24because we would go in on Saturday night, the day before the game and go

00:37:28over every single thing that could happen.

00:37:31And if we didn't know what was going to happen, instead of being like, well,

00:37:35that only happens 5% of the time, we're going to know the answer to that.

00:37:38Because then that just, you know, that takes in all a hundred percent where we

00:37:42talk about the, you know, the Patricia team.

00:37:44Right.

00:37:45And, uh, when he was on the offensive line or the offensive side of the ball,

00:37:48and there was this story, I forget where it came from, where a player

00:37:51essentially asked, well, what do we do here?

00:37:53And, uh, Patricia was like, well, I don't know the answer.

00:37:56I'll have to get back to you.

00:37:57It's like, that's what you can't have from your coaching staff.

00:38:00So it's

00:38:00players were the ones who had the answers to the test because they'd

00:38:03actually been in the offense because Kendrick born had been in the offense.

00:38:06And he was like, how the hell am I supposed to know?

00:38:08I never done.

00:38:09Yeah, exactly.

00:38:10So it, again, it feels like these are so obvious, but it's, it's good to

00:38:15have a guy in Vrabel who has actually done these in practice before, both as

00:38:21a player and as a coach as well.

00:38:23And I think it was Ben Jones who mentioned like, yeah, you'd be mentally

00:38:26exhausted by the time the game was over, but it was because you put so much work

00:38:29in and I don't, people are so critical of the Patriot way and all that.

00:38:33I think it is the biggest misconception because I don't think the Patriot way

00:38:37were the things that got billed fire.

00:38:40I don't think the Patriot way was the thing that got Bill fired.

00:38:42I don't think it was being disrespectful to your players and your fellow coaches.

00:38:46Like that's not being a jerk.

00:38:48Like just all those things are not the Patriot way.

00:38:50The Patriot way is working your butt off because you care more about winning.

00:38:55Then you care about your own personal comfort and wellbeing.

00:38:58That is the Patriot way and all the toughness and the mental resilience and

00:39:02all the things that fall into those buckets, every team wants the Patriot way.

00:39:06Right.

00:39:06Maybe not quite as stern.

00:39:08And I think that's what the Patriot way is.

00:39:10Maybe not quite as stern.

00:39:12And I think that's where Mike Vrabel can walk that tightrope of, yeah, we're

00:39:15going to work our butts off, maybe not to the degree of Gerard Mayo where

00:39:18meetings are shorter, but people don't feel that they've learned

00:39:21as much in the meetings, right?

00:39:22They're not concise.

00:39:24They're just less efficient.

00:39:25And Vrabel is going to know, yeah, no, we're going to, you're going to learn a

00:39:28lot and you are going to study and you are going to know your opponent better

00:39:32than some of them know themselves, but you know what that's going to contribute

00:39:35to winning because you're not going to lose a whole lot of games because

00:39:38you don't know something.

00:39:40And that's a coach's job.

00:39:41The coach's job is to put you in position and make sure that

00:39:43you are as prepared as possible.

00:39:45So again, Ben Jones didn't seem to have a problem with it.

00:39:48They won games doing it in Tennessee.

00:39:49Obviously not for long because you need town as well, but that this

00:39:53all falls in that same bubble of Patriot way is not something

00:39:56they need to get away from.

00:39:57They needed to modernize the approach.

00:39:59It sounds like that's what Vrabel is doing.

00:40:01Well, that's, that's the part that that's the one part of this.

00:40:04I kind of worry about is you learn that way.

00:40:09And they, you know, the coaches in McDaniel's and Brian Flores and

00:40:14Matt Patricia and Charlie Weiss, they all learned this hard camera

00:40:20zooming in on you because it can't find your eyes.

00:40:23That's what you get.

00:40:24That's what you get for having a very expensive camera

00:40:27set up in Taylor's house.

00:40:29You get zoomed in on nothing, but you know, those coaches, right.

00:40:32They learned that Patriot way and that this is the way we do things, but it's

00:40:37harder to do in practice when you're not winning and you're just doing it

00:40:41because this is how I learned it where everyone bought into bill because you

00:40:45saw that you won games in super bowls.

00:40:46And Hey, if you want to do this, you're going to win.

00:40:50And here's the evidence.

00:40:51Now, Mike Vrabel sort of has, like, he was able to garner that

00:40:55buy-in in Tennessee, I think, because he walked the line of it's

00:40:59hard, but it's worth it and here's why.

00:41:01And we're going to give back.

00:41:02So it all kind of ties together here.

00:41:04And you just hope that he continues to get that buy-in here.

00:41:07And guys don't tune them out because, well, who are you to talk to us?

00:41:09And who are you to say this to us?

00:41:10And because he builds relationships, like he's, he has not been shy about

00:41:15wanting to be that guy in Mayo due to, and that's why he had the buy-in he had.

00:41:19It's why players weren't going out and insulting him and why they were going

00:41:22out of their way to defend him was because I think they really, he really

00:41:25did care about them and I think they felt that in that again, Vrabel and

00:41:29both said, if you, if a guy knows that you care about him, you can coach him

00:41:33as hard as you want, because he will always know that you are only trying to

00:41:36help him.

00:41:37He may not like to hear it, but as a professional, sometimes you've

00:41:39got to swallow your pride.

00:41:40That's what's being, that's what being coachable is.

00:41:42So I think that's another reason that like, this is not Belichick's

00:41:46Patriot way.

00:41:46This is Vrabel's where it's going to be very difficult, but like when we win

00:41:50or even when we lose, you know, I'm on your side and I'm only trying to help

00:41:54you be the best for yourself and for your family and all your people.

00:41:58For sure.

00:41:59All right.

00:41:59We'll finish up with coach expectations, their annual goals as Mike Vrabel's

00:42:04Patriots, as well as Drake May and the passing game.

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00:43:34All right, let's continue on here.

00:43:35Vrabels rules, annual goals.

00:43:38He mentioned these three goals, winning the AFC East, hosting home playoff

00:43:42games and competing for championships.

00:43:45And I think the big thing he does here, and he did it with pretty

00:43:50much every question he was asked, but there's a timeline.

00:43:53He said there is no timeline, right?

00:43:54You know, the goal isn't necessarily compete for championships this year,

00:43:59but that's something we have to build toward.

00:44:00And that's something we have to start here early on.

00:44:03And I liked that.

00:44:03It kind of goes, you know, in order when AFC East host playoff

00:44:07games, compete for championships.

00:44:08And it's, it's kind of the obvious goals, the bread and butter.

00:44:12And I feel like even Gerard Mayo probably said these things.

00:44:15It almost felt like there were a lot more goals than, you know, just the, the

00:44:19winning football games with Gerard Mayo.

00:44:21Um, but your thoughts on variables goals and kind of what he, how

00:44:24he outlined them, uh, last Monday.

00:44:26Well, I think the biggest thing is he also explained what was going to go into

00:44:29the process of achieving those goals.

00:44:30Like this is what Bill would talk about.

00:44:32We're first, they always talked about it.

00:44:34Like they're not talking about the playoffs.

00:44:36They're talking about winning the division.

00:44:38That is the goal in the regular season after that.

00:44:40Yes.

00:44:40If you do that, you will host the playoff games and the goal every single

00:44:44year is to compete for championships.

00:44:46But how does one do that?

00:44:47One thing Vrabel mentioned, we're going to work like crazy.

00:44:49We're going to compete like crazy.

00:44:51We're going to give players a plan and they're going to form an identity on the

00:44:54field in the way they're going to play and play for each other that they're

00:44:57going to be proud of now for the Patriots.

00:44:59Last season, they wanted their identity to be a physical football team that

00:45:03could run the ball when you knew they were going to run the ball, they could

00:45:05stop the run when, well, whenever to stop the run period and to be a

00:45:10physical team on the kicking teams.

00:45:11Now the special teams are pretty solid.

00:45:13They obviously didn't have the talent or the coaches.

00:45:16I think around them, a combination and you know, a lot of cases are one of the

00:45:20other and others to really do this with any consistency.

00:45:23Now, Mike Vrabel, he knows what he wants in a team when it comes to hiring staff.

00:45:27Yes.

00:45:28That's where a lot of the question marks are going to be.

00:45:29And that's where I think a lot of our optimism or pessimism for this season

00:45:32is in foreseeable future.

00:45:34It's probably going to land, but at least he plans on the hard work.

00:45:38Like this is not just going to be something that falls into place.

00:45:40It's going to take a lot that goes into it, but the fact they want to form an

00:45:44identity and have articulated it again, you got to do it, but that's the first

00:45:48step on it because you do want to be able to like what those Patriots teams.

00:45:52And you think about all first dynasty or the second dynasty.

00:45:55Those were physical, tough ass football teams, right?

00:45:58Those are scary dudes.

00:45:59Like you think of the defense is like, even with the second dynasty, obviously

00:46:02you had Vrabel McGinnis, Rodney Harrison, but then you had high tower.

00:46:06You had Jamie Collins.

00:46:07You had guys like Devin McCourty and Patrick Chung.

00:46:09Like they were still a lot of bad dudes on those squads.

00:46:12So one, I like the identity piece and really knowing that, no, we're going to

00:46:16give them the steps to reach these goals that we have, but also most importantly,

00:46:21and what we saw in the playoffs or what we've been seeing in the playoffs, we

00:46:25want to take advantage of bad football.

00:46:27Love that quote.

00:46:28That was my second favorite quote behind the entitlement

00:46:30quote from Vrabel on Monday.

00:46:31That's really the big one.

00:46:32Like you see it every week where you're just watching these teams and you're

00:46:35like, you just didn't do that dumb thing.

00:46:38And what did Belichick say about Brady?

00:46:40The thing that impressed him the most about Tom Brady was how

00:46:43he was able to mitigate mistakes.

00:46:45That was the biggest thing because there's so many times where you

00:46:48don't live to fight another down.

00:46:49You turn the ball over on first or second down when who knows you could have

00:46:53thrown a touchdown on the very next play.

00:46:54Or how many times do we see a defense doesn't take advantage of an

00:46:57offensive mistake and then the offense kills them on the very next opportunity.

00:47:00Like all of these different types of things that we see, it always

00:47:03feels like self-inflicted errors.

00:47:05That there aren't a whole lot of games that truly feel like

00:47:08one team, absolutely.

00:47:10Just one, right?

00:47:11We get that with Bill's chiefs, you know, every year it feels like,

00:47:14yeah, it's just going to kind of come down to either whoever

00:47:16does the most dominant thing.

00:47:17But also at some point in there, you look and you're like, oh,

00:47:19somebody made a mistake that completely cost them the game.

00:47:21So being complimentary, that's another way of just saying this.

00:47:25You want to play complimentary football where when you get the

00:47:27Christian Gonzalez interception, go down the field and have Ramondre

00:47:30Stevenson going along, run a score touchdown, like make sure that when

00:47:34one team screws up, you are able to turn that into points or what have you.

00:47:38So I do, again, I like the fact that he knows what he wants to do.

00:47:42And yes, the goals are obvious, but they're very, very simple.

00:47:46Fundamental things you have to do to even give yourself a chance.

00:47:49And at the top of that list, like Belichick said, before you win, you

00:47:51got to stop from losing Mayo called the complimentary football, the way

00:47:55that Vrabel articulates it, take advantage of bad football, capitalize

00:47:59on other teams' mistakes.

00:48:00Yeah, right.

00:48:01It's it's, you know, when that, and that's where Vrabel's smarts as a

00:48:05coach excite me as far as the bad football, right, because we're going

00:48:11to make you mess up, we're not going to mess up.

00:48:13And when you mess up, we're going to jump on you for it.

00:48:15And we're going to make sure we know what's going on in this

00:48:18game at every single second and every single step, and we're

00:48:21going to do it better than you.

00:48:23And I think that that, you know, those goals and the, the taking

00:48:26advantage of the bad football and knowing and being super smart and hyper

00:48:30aware of everything that's going on, that goes into sort of the next

00:48:34two things we're going to talk about, which is how they're going to coach

00:48:36these guys and also his role in Drake May's development, the game

00:48:41management side and things of that.

00:48:43So I want to get into those coach expectations now.

00:48:45And this is another one where it's clear, concise, and he has an

00:48:49agenda of how he wants to do things.

00:48:50And he's mentioned that he wants coaches to teach, he wants coaches

00:48:54to develop, and he wants them to inspire their players by making a connection.

00:48:58Again, back to the, we're going to be hard on you, but we're going to do it

00:49:02with a relationship, with a connection, and we're going to be all in this together.

00:49:06This isn't a, a coach player relationship.

00:49:08It's a coach player relationship on the same level.

00:49:10Yeah.

00:49:10I feel like we've touched on the coaching thing, so I don't want to like, yeah, if

00:49:13you're guys zeers off about the same thing, but really at the end of the day,

00:49:16if you're a coach, you are just a teacher, right?

00:49:19You want to make sure you're getting the best out of these guys and you want to

00:49:22make sure you're developing them, not just as players, but also as men.

00:49:25So really the last part, wanting to inspire by making that connection, that.

00:49:29Kind of trickles from the other things.

00:49:31If you are there for the right reasons and you want to make sure that you

00:49:33are developing players, yeah, it's probably because you put the work in to

00:49:37make sure that you understand them.

00:49:39Like, I know what Brable says, you know, it makes them tick.

00:49:41We're like, some guy may need to get yelled at some guy.

00:49:43You want to coach him hard.

00:49:44I don't want to go too far because he'll just get into his head.

00:49:47And he'll spiral to get the best out of your guys.

00:49:50Yep.

00:49:50For sure.

00:49:51I love it.

00:49:51And I think that there's a couple other important things here with just the.

00:49:55The types of players that they're now dealing with where he didn't

00:49:58make it too much of a big deal.

00:49:59He was sort of asked about these and he mentioned just like the NIL era.

00:50:03And working with players who can kind of jump ship and do what they want.

00:50:10And this kind of goes back to the entitlement thing where players

00:50:15with entitlement, you need to learn, you know, we're not going to do that here.

00:50:18And that's not how we're going to do things again.

00:50:20He didn't make it a huge deal, but I think he's also done a good job

00:50:22at being able to adapt to the younger.

00:50:25He was asked by Courtney Cox on the, on the Greg Hill show,

00:50:28the millennial football player.

00:50:30And he kind of skirted the question, but he answered it in a way where it's like,

00:50:34okay, he gets what he's dealing with.

00:50:36And, uh, you know, again, the Ben Jones connection, I keep going back to that.

00:50:40You already wrote a great thing on it a couple of weeks ago where

00:50:42he knew what he was going with.

00:50:44He comes off the field and he's crying in his arms.

00:50:46Like, I knew you had that in you.

00:50:47I knew you could do this where.

00:50:49I don't want to say you wouldn't have seen that with bill.

00:50:51Cause that's not right.

00:50:52And that's just me kind of throwing him under the bus with things, but you can,

00:50:54there's just this outward connection that he makes with these guys where

00:50:57they want to learn, they want to play for him.

00:51:00And he puts them in the right position.

00:51:02So I liked that.

00:51:02And then he also talks about this shared organizational vision, how we're not

00:51:06always going to be on the same page.

00:51:08And he doesn't want to create an environment where it's my page or the

00:51:11highway and it's everything I do.

00:51:13And no, look, we can disagree and find the right way to do things and almost

00:51:18build that shared vision together.

00:51:20And that there's, you know, kind of different ways to do it.

00:51:21So I thought that was important to kind of know as well.

00:51:24A hundred percent.

00:51:24Cause you don't want to just have everybody on the same page.

00:51:26Cause if you do, then you're probably not going to be able to

00:51:28challenge each other.

00:51:29The way that you see the game is not going to be able to get to a point

00:51:32where you are maturing as a, as a, as a talent evaluator, whatever, because

00:51:35none of these guys have it all figured out necessarily.

00:51:38And then just to kind of wrap up on the NIL thing, one thing he did pretty

00:51:42specifically during his speech.

00:51:43And I think this is a great way to put it because you can't just demonize NIL.

00:51:47You can't, because it's getting a lot of these kids paid, getting

00:51:50them out of poor situations.

00:51:51Also just giving them the compensation that players have been deserving for you.

00:51:54And it's not going away.

00:51:55That's the other thing you can't demonize it.

00:51:57You have to embrace it and embrace it instead.

00:51:59And he said, look, um, when we get, when they get to our league, there's some

00:52:04behavior that may have to change and we have to be willing to help them change it.

00:52:07So it's not just going to be talking down to this guy and

00:52:10being like, oh, you're so spoiled.

00:52:11You have no idea what it was like in my day.

00:52:13Make that connection so that he understands, look, dude, I may clown

00:52:16you for like being a 23 year old.

00:52:18Who's pulling up to work in like a gold cyber truck or something like that.

00:52:22You know, I'll read you a little bit every once in a while, but

00:52:26understand that like, there needs to be a level of humility that's going to

00:52:29be associated with being on this team, not having entitlement, all of those

00:52:32things, a lot of these young kids do come in pretty entitled, not realizing

00:52:35what it takes to be a champion.

00:52:37They just realize what it takes to be a renowned college football player.

00:52:40Now the standard is very different.

00:52:42For sure.

00:52:42Do you want to touch on the analytics topic now, or do you

00:52:45want to loop that into, we can do that.

00:52:46We can do that now as well.

00:52:47All right.

00:52:47So interesting.

00:52:48I don't have the clip, but he was asked about, you know, on the, on the

00:52:52Greg Hill show last week about how they want to attack analytics.

00:52:55And basically he mentioned how he, they're going to do it in three phases

00:52:59where, uh, I need to find it.

00:53:02I need to find the quote.

00:53:05Film analytics.

00:53:07Oh, I thought it was in our thing.

00:53:10It's fine.

00:53:10Oh, it's our job to take analytical data, watch the tape and just

00:53:14figure out where players fit best.

00:53:16Yes.

00:53:16And he also went on a little bit more of the three, the three phases.

00:53:19I found it now where I look at it in three phases.

00:53:22One is player acquisition.

00:53:24You'll get the numbers.

00:53:25The data, the play speed, and that's how we're going to

00:53:27try and go get those guys.

00:53:28Then health and safety.

00:53:29How do we manage our players?

00:53:30What's their alert workload, their speed, how often they get to 90%.

00:53:34And they sort of use the tracking devices to figure out how they

00:53:36manage their workload during the week.

00:53:38Started last year.

00:53:39They they've started, they already started doing a lot.

00:53:41Yes.

00:53:42A hundred percent.

00:53:42And then the final one he mentioned, which we'll get to with Drake

00:53:45Bay is the game management risk ratio.

00:53:47Um, and kind of how they use down a distance and things of that nature

00:53:51to pull that all into one new news item that came out as we were on the show.

00:53:56Uh, Chris Cotillo from mass live is reporting that the Patriots are

00:54:00bringing in, uh, a man by the name of Joe McDonald.

00:54:04He was a long time Red Sox executive, and he was most recently their

00:54:08director of baseball analytics.

00:54:10And he left, uh, the Red Sox in December and has been working for

00:54:13the Patriots as a senior analyst.

00:54:16So an interesting note there and Evan Lazar quote, tweeted at our

00:54:19friend from patriots.com mentioning, uh, the fact that the Browns did

00:54:23this with Paul D Podesta, who was a long time executive, I believe in

00:54:26the Oakland days organization, the money ball, uh, era with the analytics.

00:54:30Yeah.

00:54:31The analytics sort of kick in baseball.

00:54:33The Browns have brought him in and Vrabel just worked

00:54:36with the Browns last season.

00:54:37So they are really embracing that analytical side of things, which I

00:54:40think for many is exciting to see.

00:54:43Yeah.

00:54:43And we've been talking about, they need to be more expansive.

00:54:45They need to update their scouting department, their personnel

00:54:47department, and all these things.

00:54:48So definitely seems like a step in the right direction.

00:54:51Now I am much more of a film guy, all this other stuff.

00:54:54I feel like I'm just learning on the fly, but Evan is much

00:54:57more used to these things.

00:54:58He's more familiar with other sports than I am.

00:55:01So I'm going to take his word for it.

00:55:03If Evan's excited about this, it seems like that's a pretty good step

00:55:05forward for the personnel department.

00:55:07I think so too.

00:55:08And I also just, uh, a lot of the Browns connections, I haven't seen it yet, but

00:55:12it's creeped in my head a little bit where it's like, well, they were three

00:55:16and 13 last year and they were closer than I'm one pick, like everyone's

00:55:18connecting all the great things we're able to do with the Browns, but Cleveland's

00:55:21not that good of a football team.

00:55:23They were just talent wise.

00:55:24They got shot.

00:55:26They've rebuilt that thing ever.

00:55:28Really?

00:55:28Ever since they like drafted Baker Mayfield first overall, they've been

00:55:31on a bunch better trajectory since those Owen 16 teams and they ruined it from

00:55:36the top down with, you know, the Deshaun Watson acquisition, frankly, everything

00:55:40else around quarterback is solid.

00:55:43I see it in the chat.

00:55:44The Browns in the front office is amazing.

00:55:46Like they've done good work in there.

00:55:48Um, it just hasn't necessarily paid out on the field, but we

00:55:50should eventually see that soon.

00:55:52All right.

00:55:52Let's wrap up the show with Drake May and how the Patriots are going

00:55:56to continue the development of him.

00:55:57He was asked about it and here's what he had to say last Monday.

00:56:00Yeah.

00:56:01Put, put great people around them.

00:56:03You know, we, we have to, uh, you know, I, I would say that my involvement

00:56:08will be, um, as it relates to game management and, and, and situational

00:56:15awareness and, and where we are on the football field and trying to develop

00:56:20him as, as a leader of the offense.

00:56:22And when that quarterback, you know, when they call the play, like you want

00:56:26to say, like, everybody's going to believe that it's going to score a touchdown.

00:56:29Like with that type of, um, emphasis on, on how everything is going to operate.

00:56:35And, uh, you know, we're, Drake is going to be his own person, but, but I'm

00:56:40going to give him some things that I feel like are necessary to help us win football

00:56:44games.

00:56:44We, we have to, um, be a very efficient passing football team.

00:56:50Right.

00:56:50And when you look at statistically of what wins in the national football league,

00:56:54our ability to affect the other team's quarterback and our ability to provide

00:56:58for an efficient quarterback and passing game, uh, is a high contributor to

00:57:03success.

00:57:04And there's a lot of ways to do that, um, you know, by protecting the middle

00:57:09of the pocket and, you know, all those things that we're going to talk about

00:57:12as we move forward.

00:57:13But how we protect the football, how we're aggressive, but not reckless.

00:57:18Um, you know, understanding where we are in the game and the situational

00:57:22awareness that I feel like I've developed as over six years.

00:57:25And then my past year, uh, in Cleveland,

00:57:29he mentions Cleveland there at the end.

00:57:30And I also love the aggressive, but not reckless part of that, but I'll leave

00:57:33it up to you.

00:57:34What do you make of, uh, you know, the Drake may aspect and the, and

00:57:36the being efficient passing.

00:57:38It sounds, I mean, so I know people got upset with him about the stats where

00:57:42he's like, oh, you want pass the rating and you want to run a certain amount

00:57:45of times, look, I think it more matters.

00:57:48Like the order of operations that he's doing these things or how he perceives

00:57:52these things where, no, you do not want to throw the ball 45 times, right?

00:57:56That's bad math.

00:57:57Like you don't want to do that.

00:57:58Pass the rating.

00:57:59Is it the end all be all for quarterback efficiency?

00:58:01No, but it exists for a reason because if your quarterback is like 95 or higher,

00:58:07you probably had a pretty good game.

00:58:09It's lower.

00:58:09It may not be your fault, but something went wrong because you had a

00:58:12statistically inefficient game.

00:58:14Like numbers do matter.

00:58:15Players get contracts.

00:58:17People get fired.

00:58:17Like numbers do matter as much as for years.

00:58:20I tried to ignore them.

00:58:21You cannot, I'm sorry.

00:58:22You can run sometimes just got to get hired by a company that does them

00:58:25forever or does it for a living?

00:58:27And you know, yourself, thank you.

00:58:29Next gen stats, but aggression, not recklessness part.

00:58:32I think that's Drake Mays profile.

00:58:33We talked about that before, did have a turnover issue, but a lot of

00:58:36that was just learning mistakes and growing pains and things like that.

00:58:39But a lot of what Mike Brable said is what made Bill Belichick and Tom Brady

00:58:43is such a formidable duo where Tom Brady obviously put the work in, had a ton of

00:58:48natural talent, even though obviously, you know, he wasn't the freakiest guy.

00:58:51It was always had a pretty good arm.

00:58:53Like he was always pretty accurate, got better because of that work ethic.

00:58:56But what made him a superstar was the fact that he also had Bill Belichick,

00:59:01one of the greatest defensive minds in football, someone who had seen winning

00:59:05football, who had already won championships to buy some pretty great

00:59:08defensive game plans of his own and was able to mind meld with Tom Brady.

00:59:12And they were able to say, Hey, I see it this way.

00:59:14Oh, you see it this way?

00:59:15Oh, that's interesting.

00:59:16And continuously learn from each other.

00:59:19So now Drake is 22 years old.

00:59:21It's going to be 23 next year.

00:59:23Whatever Brable is able to teach him is going to be massive for him early on.

00:59:26And then the longer that Drake is in the league, makes his own

00:59:29mistakes, learns his lessons.

00:59:31He'll be able to tell what Brable, what he's seeing from a quarterback's

00:59:34perspective, and obviously no one wants to actually compare Mike

00:59:38Brable and Drake made a Tom Brady and Bill Belichick, no one can

00:59:40ever be held to that standard.

00:59:42But we do see with a lot of these dynamic head coach quarterback

00:59:45combinations that whether they are or not on the same side of the ball,

00:59:49they are able to make each other better with Andy Reed, right?

00:59:52Being able to tell Patrick Mahomes, Hey, first two and a half

00:59:55seconds, the play is mine, but also Patrick Mahomes, because he

00:59:58respects Andy Reed and knows the guy knows what he's talking about.

01:00:01Can also not only listen and do what he's being told, but take that to a

01:00:05whole nother level because of his physical talent.

01:00:07So I think it's exciting.

01:00:08I like his ideas for what exactly this means.

01:00:12Let's solve it again is overlap from what we've heard from other regimes.

01:00:15Matt grow is talking about protecting the middle of the pocket, like

01:00:18two or three years ago, right?

01:00:19That's not new.

01:00:20They've wanted to build around Drake Mason's before they drafted Drake may.

01:00:23Yes.

01:00:24I'm glad that you're still prioritizing, making sure your rookie quarterback

01:00:28potential face of the franchise is not being killed because he has no line and

01:00:32is not throwing the guys who aren't reliable.

01:00:34Um, but really the more exciting part for me, when you talk about

01:00:36Drake may was how they can make each other better first, obviously

01:00:39probably going to be my Vrabel making Drake better, but how that

01:00:42relationship could grow down the line.

01:00:44For sure.

01:00:44Uh, he also mentions personnel, uh, the scheme and style and tempo and the

01:00:48cadence and all things like that.

01:00:49If our players can handle it, then we'll shift.

01:00:51We'll motion, we'll go with different cadences.

01:00:53We'll go on the ball.

01:00:54We'll try and do all these things that cause conflict.

01:00:56And that sort of gets into depending on what style of football they're going to

01:00:59play and what offensive coordinator they're going to bring, but it sounds

01:01:02like he kind of wants to use the, the, I don't want to say old age offense

01:01:07with Brady and bill, but like the, you know, the be efficient, don't

01:01:10be reckless, things like that.

01:01:11But then also kind of forming that into the new RPO West coast era of

01:01:16offense and kind of use pretty much everything, which is why I get excited

01:01:19about McDaniel's because I feel like he kind of does build on and do on everything.

01:01:22We'll see where that plays out.

01:01:24Um, but yeah, it sounds like the, there is the, uh, objective to kind of build

01:01:29together and work together with him and Drake man, I think that's, you know,

01:01:32that's the most exciting part of all of this and that's kind of where we'll

01:01:34wrap it up here is new head coach, Mike Vrabel with all of these rules,

01:01:39with all of these tangible, this is how we're going to do things.

01:01:43And here's why, and here's what it's going to bring us to trust me.

01:01:45I've done this before type of thing, which again, got some other guys in trouble

01:01:49in the past with Patricia and, uh, McDaniel's of the world, but the

01:01:52difference is they hadn't done it.

01:01:54Mike variable has done it as a head coach.

01:01:56And then Drake may, you know, you see Jaden Daniels and Dan Quinn right now,

01:01:59like they're, you know, they're going like this and, you know, hopefully

01:02:01that that can be the same with variable and Drake may, uh, but it sounds like

01:02:05that's going to be an exciting pairing going forward.

01:02:07And one other thing I love that variable actually went into detail about how to

01:02:11make the offense go outside of just the personnel, because like, in no offense

01:02:15to Gerard Mayo, I never really expected him to know a ton about what was going

01:02:19on, on offense, because Alex Van Pelt was the offensive head coach.

01:02:22When you ask him offensive questions, he answered them like a linebacker.

01:02:26Almost always, there wasn't a ton of insight to glean other than, okay,

01:02:29you have a set of principals.

01:02:30It's old school.

01:02:31That's fine.

01:02:31I don't have a problem with old school principals.

01:02:33As long as you are willing to adapt, if you have the personnel and you know,

01:02:36there's things going on around the league that are getting clear advantages.

01:02:39But rabble was very specific, like you kind of already mentioned it, but

01:02:43talking about the tempo and cadence, those were things we actually heard

01:02:47from Alex Van Pelt last year, when he mentioned how he could help supplant

01:02:50things, especially later in the year when he was like, yeah, it's

01:02:52not just the offensive line.

01:02:54There's other things we can do.

01:02:55And I've talked about it.

01:02:56I love when Drake may was able to go up tempo because it kept the

01:03:00defense on their heels.

01:03:01And with someone that dynamic who can kill you deep, the second you make a

01:03:04mistake, when you're going fast and everyone's trying to communicate and

01:03:07figure out just what's going on, that can be deadly in a great way to take

01:03:10pressure.

01:03:11Like we said, in the games last night, off of the defensive line, because

01:03:16you're going fast and the defensive line is tired.

01:03:18Also how he mentioned like, yeah, we'll do RPOs, but things like that, you

01:03:22know, it wasn't specifically just RPOs, but the motion, the shifting, everyone

01:03:27wants all that stuff, but it takes time to install like the Rams.

01:03:31You don't just say, I'm going to be the Rams.

01:03:33You need someone more often than not, because it takes a lot of communication

01:03:37in sync for you to make that one shift for you to make the second shift for

01:03:41there to be a motion after that.

01:03:43That's a lot of stuff to process, especially for a young quarterback.

01:03:46So if Drake may can take a ton on his plate, maybe you do see the Patriots

01:03:49start to rise in motion in the RPOs and all those things, but I love that

01:03:54Vrabel is saying we'll throw everything we can at the offense, like that's not

01:03:57a problem, but we're going to make sure we do it at everyone's pace.

01:04:00I think Alex Van Pelt had a very similar ideology, which is another reason.

01:04:04I think it makes sense that we're not hearing anything about him.

01:04:06Cause maybe he is retained, even if it's in a smaller role, but Bill

01:04:10a lot of what we've heard from Vrabel has been what we heard from Alex Van Pelt.

01:04:14It's just nice to know that you're hearing it from the defensive, really

01:04:18the CEO head coach, because he's not just going to be, you know, Oh, I

01:04:21played on defense and I was a special team or no, he's going to have to say.

01:04:25I know everything.

01:04:25I'm a football coach.

01:04:27Exactly.

01:04:28Exactly.

01:04:28That's that's where we'll wrap it.

01:04:29That's kind of where we'll, we'll wrap it in the two, just the two

01:04:32quick thoughts on that is right.

01:04:34He's a football coach.

01:04:35He's not just a defensive guy who is a culture builder like Gerard

01:04:39Vrabel's done it on both sides of the football.

01:04:41He really dove into the offense last year with Cleveland.

01:04:44And again, he can give you actual answers about offensive questions.

01:04:48And then on the motion thing quickly, before we get out of here, you

01:04:50mentioned an AVP mentioned a lot like motioning with a purpose and we're

01:04:54doing this, but we're doing it for a reason and it's maybe it's window

01:04:58dressing, but it's window dressing because this can mess you up this way.

01:05:01And you need to be super smart because when you move a guy over, like.

01:05:06The idea of the Shanahan slash McVay offense is, you know, we're

01:05:10all running the same plays.

01:05:12We're just doing it in a, out of a bunch of different formations and

01:05:14making it look different to the defense.

01:05:16But when one guy moves over that moves, everybody's spot, right?

01:05:20So if you're running a, a concept out of trips versus, uh, like doubles, for

01:05:25example, guys have to be in the same spots, but running from different places.

01:05:28So you have to be on the ball.

01:05:29Sometimes you have to get one, one guy's on the, like, that's

01:05:32what happened with him before, right?

01:05:34We got yelled at immediately.

01:05:35It was cause he wasn't on the ball.

01:05:36Hunter is like, what are you doing?

01:05:38There's a lot of stuff that goes into it where if you mess up, you can get flagged.

01:05:42You can be late.

01:05:43Like, sorry, not to cut in, but like that was literal example.

01:05:46We saw from a veteran on the team at the end of the year.

01:05:49Exactly.

01:05:49So there there's gotta be the buy-in across the board, the, you know, being a

01:05:52smart football team, knowing what's going on.

01:05:54Uh, and it sounds like that's what Bravo wants to bring here.

01:05:57Going through all of these rules that he outlined last Monday.

01:06:00So, uh, a fun show today, kind of looking through all of those things, kind of

01:06:03breaking it down, using, not using variables, words against him, but basically

01:06:07going through what he said, uh, and putting them into examples in practice.

01:06:11So, uh, that's going to do it for our Monday show here on Patriot's day.

01:06:14We'll be back again tomorrow.

01:06:15Special guests, Daniel Oyefusi from ESPN Cleveland.

01:06:19He's going to bring us through everything that Vrabel went

01:06:22through last year with the Browns.

01:06:23So an exciting day tomorrow.

01:06:25We'll be on here at 2 PM live, uh, with Daniel to talk about what

01:06:30variable did last season in Cleveland.

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01:06:41So, uh, again, thanks for watching.

01:06:43Take care of yourselves, take care of each other, and we will

01:06:46see you all next time.

01:06:47Peace out, everybody.

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