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- Suhail Warraich (Senior Analyst)
- Fahd Husain (Analyst)
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00:00Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim, Assalamu Alaikum, Khadim Ka Waseem Wa Adami kite hain, aap dekh
00:19rahe hain Arwah News, yeh program 11th hour aur aaj is saal-e-nau ka pehla program hain.
00:24Aaj humaari yeh saal ki pehli nashisht hain, aap sabko naya saal bahut bahut mubarak ho
00:28aur is dua ke saath ki Allah karein naya saal har itibaar se pichle saal se baithar ho,
00:32Allah karein 2024 ki ke mukaable mein 2025 ki har gadi, har lamha hamarein individually
00:39mulg ke liye, society ke liye, ek baithar saal ho, Inshallah.
00:43Aaj ki chuke bilkul yeh ibtidaayi nashisht hain, zaahir hain, saal ki pehli nashisht
00:46hain, toh humne zahmat diye hain Pakistan ke teen naamwar tadziya karon ko, teen naamwar
00:51sahafiyon ko, taaki unse yeh jaan sakayin ki unki raay mein, unke tadziya mein, yeh
00:56aane wale 365 din Pakistan ke liye, siyasi itibaar se, moaashi itibaar se, duniya ki
01:02nazar se, kaise honge, ek bataore majmooi tadziya, ki humne kal ke programme mein aapki
01:07khidmat mein nichod arz kiya tha 2024 ka, aur aaj ke programme mein nichod arz karenge
01:12ki mumkina developments kya ho sakte hain 2025 mein, Pakistan ke teen naamwar naam
01:16hamare saath maujood hain, jin se hum kuftu ka aghaas karte hain, ARY News ka flagship
01:20program host karte hain, janab-e-Muhammad Malik sahab hamare saath hain, sir thank
01:24you very much for your time, janab-e-Sohail Wadai sahab ke naam se, zahir hai har koi
01:28waqif hain, hamare saath maujood hain, Sohail sahab bohot shukriya waqt nikalne ka,
01:32janab-e-Fahad Hussain sahab hamare saath hain, of course needs no introduction,
01:35main bohot shukar guzaaro, teeno mehmano ka, hum aghaas karte hain, pehle sawal se pehle
01:40sawal yehi hain, saal 2024 ke aghaaz mein, February ke mahine mein elections hua, jiski
01:45natiye mein hukumat ban gayi, 2025 is hukumat ka qayam rahega, ya kuch aisa bhi ho sakte
01:52hai, jiski natiye mein hukumat to ghar jaana pade hai, abhi program ham kar rahe hain
01:55aapke saamne, to is waqt muzaakaraat ka daur shuru ho chuka hai, is waqt boh sari aur
02:01developments, Amerika se boh sari bayaanat aa chuke hain, aaj ek nashist hui hai muzaakaraat
02:05ki, to boh sari cheezein hain, to kya in cheezeon ki waise kisi bhi aur situation se hukumat
02:09gir sakti hai, ya qayam rahegi, yeh hamara pehla sawal, aur iska ham aghaas karte hain
02:14janab-e-Muhammad Malik sahab se, idea yeh Muhammad Malik sahab, main baaki do mehmano
02:19ki zaayat sahab se aghaas karta hoon, ki zahir hum se koi najumi nahi hai, hum koi
02:23daawa nahi kar rahe hain, na koi shitaron ka haal dekh ke, bata rahe hain, ke janab
02:26yeh ho jayega, ho jayega, lekin ek probability, ki kiska, kitna imkaan hai, raaye hai, 100%
02:32durus saabhi zakti hai, 100% ghalas saabhi zakti hai, lekin aaj jab yakum janwari ko
02:35aap log baed ke dekhte hain, to aapko imkaan kya lagta hai, percentage wise na batata hai,
02:39ki aayar itna feesat imkaan lagta hai, to sabse pehle, har Pakistani hum se pooch raho
02:43tha, to aap se poochta hoon, aapki nazar mein, is hukumat ke rehne ka, kaim rehne ka, is
02:50ek saal mein, and of course I understand Pakistan jaise mulk mein kabhi kabhi bada mushkil bhi
02:54hota hai, agale 365 janno ka predict karna, waqiat itni teezi se aur hota hai, lekin as
02:59I said, yeh koi daawa nahi hai, sirf ek tadziya hai, indaza hai, sahi ya ghalas ho sakta
03:02hai, is hukumat ke kaim rehne ka, jaise taise bhi, is poore saal mein, 2025 mein, kitna
03:08feesat imkaan hai, Malik sahab?
03:12Nahi, 2025 mein to mujhe yeh nazar aa raha hai, ki abhi rehenge, kyunki dekhiye do teen
03:18cheezi hain, do yeh angles hain na, ek Pakistan ke economic situation hai, aur ek political
03:23situation hai, politics pe aa jaye hain, aap urti ghari shuru ho gayi hai, 20 January
03:27ki, aur jo jo Richard Grenell sahab ne kaam dikhaye hain 2024 ke aakhri kuch dino mein,
03:36usse bahut zyada umeede jagi, bahut scene hua, lekin at the same time, dekhiye yeh double
03:42edged sword hai, bahut se logon ka khayal hai ki, Trump administration ki involvement
03:49hogi, Richard Grenell ke baare mein kaha jaata hai, ki jo Trump sahab ke chote sahabzade
03:54hain, unse unke bahut zyada zaati taluqat bhi hai, accha, phir jo Amerika mein baithe
04:01mein PTI ke senior log, aur bahut effective log, unmein se ek do logon se meri baat hui
04:07jo matter karte hain, they are very confident, domestic politics mein bahut waade hua hua
04:13mein hain, Republican candidates ke, Congress ke, doosre logon ke, jinko Pakistani diaspora
04:19ne bahut support kiya hai, aur wo keh rahe hain ki international chhodein, jo domestic
04:23politics mein elections ki quid pro quo hota hai, uske tehad, aap dekhenge ki involvement
04:28hogi, wo bahut wada significant cheez hai, lekin Waseem asad issue yeh hai, ki yeh double
04:35edged sword hai, sabko khayal hai ki agar American involvement hui, toh back off karna
04:42padega government ko aur Khan sahab ko bahut zyada relief milegi, lekin agar wo yeh survive
04:47kar jaate hain, agar koi involvement hoti bhi hai, ek scenario aapne kaha na, aur agar
04:52America wala jhaka bhi utar gaya, toh phir kya hoga, street pressure toh is wake PTI nahi
04:59bana sakti, jis halat mein hai, jo bura hal gaya waa Punjab mein, jo sakhtiyan hui mein
05:04hai, jo military courts ke trial hui mein hai, aur aapko yaad hoga, jo aakhri pressure
05:10tha 2024 December mein, DGI SPR sahab ka, uske baad toh koi doubt rehni nahi chahiye
05:17ki Imran Khan ka, inka plan poora hai ki military trial karne pe teyaar hai, Faiz Ameer sahab
05:23ka abhi abhi hum sun rahe hain, ki unka bhi faisla ho jayega, wo bhi military trial ho
05:28jayega, aur...
05:28lekin Maharaj sahab, sorry baat karo, yeh toh aapne kaha na, agar yeh jhaka utar gaya
05:31America wala, toh phir kya, phir toh bahut hi sakhtiyan hai, toh abhi is sakt toh yeh
05:35lag raha hai ki American factory sabse important element hai, yeh jhaka utarne ka imkaan
05:39kitna zyada hai, aapki raahe mein?
05:41Dekhi yeh iss waqt bilkul 50-50 hai, doosra involvement ki nature ka bada faraq padta hai,
05:47aap yeh dekhiye ki Wazir-e-Azam Shahbaz Sharif sahab ne kuch 6 dauray kar liye hain, iss
05:54se bhi kam maah ke andar Saudi Arabia ke, aur jab aap government ke udhar relevant logon
06:00se baat karte hain, jo insiders hain, wo kahte hain, meri unse poocha hai, meri unse kya
06:04yaar 5-6 dauray jo huye hain upar-neeche, koi economic toh itna issue, development toh
06:09itni chaldi nahi hoti, toh yeh usme apna ek buffer dekh rahe hain ki agar Trump-India
06:15zamiya involve hoti hai, toh MBS hamara saviour ho gaye, idhar se kyunki MBS bahut zyada
06:21important hai, Trump sahab ke liye, unki Middle East policy ke liye, aur apne azaati
06:26business interest ke liye bhi, yeh udhar se apna ek hota na, banda kehta hain, achha
06:31yaar bhaijaan, aap hume bichayenge, so they are building their buffer zone like that,
06:36aur again, farag yeh bhi dekhna hoga, badami ki, kis level ke involvement hoti hai, Trump
06:40administration ki, kitna hi forceful administration ki, so aap keh rahe hain, American pressure
06:45ke nateeje mein, koi khatir kha, peshraft hona, iska imkaan 50-50 lagta hai aapko, aur
06:50hukumat rehne ka imkaan toh, is poore saal mein, aaj ki tarikh mein aapko lagta hai,
06:53ki wo toh hai hi, yeh nahi, aisa kuch, you have no reason to believe, ke shayad yeh
06:57saal mein hukumat hi gir jaye, haan kyunki agar, agar koi agreement bhi hota hai, agar
07:01koi bhi cheez hoti hai, toh wo, kuch hafton ki baat toh nahi hogi, let's say, abhi do
07:07tarikh negotiations, dubhara round shudhu hona hai, agar wo meaningful, kisi bhi majmuri
07:12ke taht, kuch ho bhi jaye, toh 25 toh mujhe, political se zyada, mujhe inke liye, economic
07:18issues zyada tough hain, wo ekonomy mein, main alakshik sawal karunga aapko saal mein,
07:22bhi bhikur theek hai, sohail sahab, exactly yeh hi sawal aap se hai, ki aapki nazar mein,
07:26kitna peesad imkaan aapko lagta hai, zukumat ke qaim rehne ka, is poore saal mein, 2025
07:29mein? 80%. 80%, alright. Aur jo baaki 20% hai, uski wajah, wohi yeh American element
07:38hi hai? Uski wajah yeh hai, ek iss wakat government ko, ek illegitimacy, aur doosra
07:48adam makbuliyat, yeh do masayil hain, aur in do masayil ka hal jo hai, wo national
07:55government hai, lekin ek kamzor PTI ke saath national government, toh uska imkaan bhi jaake
08:03iss saal ke 25 ke aakhar mein, kuch uske imkaanat agar banne hua hai, toh us wakat banne shuru
08:09ho jaye. Achha, aur, chunki iss waqt jab hum baat kar rahe hain, sohail sahab, toh
08:14aisa mahaul yeh hai, ke janab baaki, jisna maalik sahab ne ka, ke janab baaki maamlaat
08:19pe jaye, woh yahan cheezein manage karli gayi hain, bas Amerika se bohut hi unexpected
08:23kuch ho gaya, toh cheezein bilkul badal sakti hain. Aap us cheez ko lagte hain, aapko yeh
08:26lag raha hai, ke yeh overhyped hain, kuch tweets ki muniyat pe yeh na samjhaate hain?
08:33Dekhe, dono options maujood hain, administration ke paas, humaari establishment ke paas,
08:40ek toh yeh hi hain, ke woh koshish karenge, ke aag jo hain, usko thanda kiya jaye,
08:45jis tarah maalik sahab ne ka, Muhammad bin Salman ke zariye se, zahir hain,
08:51inke pentagon mein bhi purane rawabat hain, unko bhi istamaal mein laayenge, koshish ho
08:56rahi hain, ke jo alfa wifadari hain, uswe ek wafaaki wazir jo hain, wo sharik ho.
09:02Aaj kal Pakistan ke Amerika mein ambassador hain, woh Pakistan aaye hua hain,
09:08aur Salah Mushafir-e-Mehkma-e-Kharjah mein jari hain, toh zahir hain, yeh apni wohi
09:13strategy bana rahi hain, ke agar toh halki phulki mudakhalat hui, toh usko toh yeh taal
09:19denge aur usko manage kar lenge. Toh agar major hui, toh phir China se bhi baat karenge,
09:25Saudi Arabia se bhi baat karenge, aur phir inke paas teesri option bhi hain.
09:30Teesri option yeh hain, ke jiska Bilawal ne izhaar kiya hai,
09:34ke bhai Amerika jo hain, woh siyasat toh ek baana hain, Imran Khan toh ek baana hain,
09:40asal target jo hain, woh missile program hain, nishana missile program hain.
09:45Toh phir iss narrative ko jo hain, woh faroq milega, aur faroq diya jayega,
09:51aur phir Imran ki jo sbse strong cheez hain, jo unki makbuliyat hain, uspe attack hoga.
09:57Hmm, okay. So aapne government ke wale se kaha, ki 80% aapko chance lagta hai,
10:00kabhi imkaanat baat ke lagta hai, ke baad qaraar rahegi. Fahad sahab, yehi sawal exactly aap.
10:06Shukriya Hussain, dekhiye mera bhi yehi khayal hai, ke iss waqt imkaanat kaam hain,
10:1080% ho, ya 75% ho, jo ingredients hote hain, jinki buniyat pe governments jo hain,
10:17woh girti hain, woh iss waqt nazar nahi aar rahe hain. One page bhi maujood hain,
10:24opponents hain, unki bhi position woh bahut acchi nahi hain, aur jo street power hain,
10:30jo ek tariqah se chaos ka factor hain, woh bhi try ho gaya hain, aur fail ho gaya hain.
10:35Toh woh ingredients maujood nahi hain. Again, jisra pehle aapne kaha,
10:39ki Pakistan hain, koi event ho jaa toh uska toh khush nahi kaha sakte hain.
10:42Lekin, filhaan lagta yun hain, ke iss government ko koi bahut zyada khatra
10:47nahi hain. Lekin, iss government ko, by the way, makbuliyat ka bhi koi khatra nahi hain.
10:51Yani ke they are in no danger of becoming popular also.
10:54Toh inki jo ghar makbuliyat hain, woh bhi issi tariqah se chalti rahegi,
10:58aur woh inki liye, jo mujhe jahan lagta hain, ke jahan pe iske liye problem ho sakta hain,
11:03ke woh ghar makbuliyat inki itni zyada ho jaye,
11:05ke woh one page ke upar pressure dalna shuni kar do.
11:09Lekin, again, mere khaal mein, usse gohkumat ko khatra nahi hain, jab tak ke
11:13Imran Khan sahab koi bilkul neya maneuver karein, jisse woh establishment ke karib aajayein,
11:18jo again mujhe hota nadam nahi aara. Toh continuity toh maujood hain.
11:23Lekin, iske saath saath, mere khaal mein, jo yeh 20th January ke baad,
11:27jo neya factor kicking karne wala hai, yeh bada important hoga.
11:30Aur yeh effect karega, bahut saari cheezon ko,
11:33humari foreign policy ko bhi, aur humari domestic policy bhi.
11:37Dekhna yeh hai, ke yeh usko kis tariqah se manage karenge.
11:40Inki basim, jo iss government ki sabse kamzor,
11:44jo iska pehlo hai, woh yeh hai, ke inko bilkul bhi biyaniya banana nahi aapna.
11:48Aur humne dekha, ke Imran Khan sahab ne jab kaha, ki ji America anti-American hua,
11:53toh unhone saare mulko apne peecheh laga diya.
11:55Ab woh pro-American ho rahe hain, toh phir bhi apne mulko peecheh laga rahe hain.
11:58Aur yeh government jo hai, yeh na anti-Americanism counter kar paari hai,
12:02aur nahi pro-Americanism ko counter kar paari hai,
12:05jab ke humari mulk mein anti-Americanism bikhta hai.
12:08Lekin, woh bhi nahi kar paari hai.
12:09Toh yeh jo inability to formulate a narrative,
12:13yeh mere khaal mein, inke liye bada problem create karege 2025.
12:17Correct.
12:17Ab Afaad sahab, yeh hi se main aapne agla sawaar par aata hoon.
12:19Agla sawaar pehle aap se pooshta hoon.
12:21American pressure ya kisi bhi aur factor ke nateeje mein,
12:23Imran Khan sahab ka jail se bahar aana is poore saal mein,
12:27iska aapko imkaan kitne feesat lagta hai?
12:31Dekhiye, jo main, agar abhi aakhirin jo DGI SPR ki press conference hui gaye,
12:35iski roshni mein dekhein, yeh bilkul clear ho gaya hai,
12:38ke wahan se koi, hume lachak nazar nahi aa rahi hai.
12:40Aur jo kuch, jis sareeke se establishment aur Khan sahab ke darmiyan jo ekashirki hai,
12:45wo chahe muzaqaraat hukumat se hoon ya na hoon,
12:49wo kamuti nazar nahi aa rahi.
12:50Toh mere khaal mein, Faiz Hameed sahab ka trial military courts mein,
12:55jab tak May 9 ka maamla kisi mantak ki anjaam tak nahi pohnchta,
12:58Faiz Hameed sahab ke hawale se,
13:00aur unse jhudeve Imran Khan sahab ke hawale se,
13:02tab tak toh mujhe koi istara ka tariqa nazar nahi aa raha,
13:05ke Khan sahab jo hai,
13:06wo kisi bhi tariqa se bahar aa jaye.
13:09Jab yeh faisle aa jayenge,
13:11uske baad clear hoga,
13:12ki usme unhe Khan sahab ko jo hai wo mulabis kiya hai,
13:15nahi kiya.
13:16Agar nahi kiya hai,
13:17if the government backs away from trying him in military courts,
13:20toh phir mere khaal mein thoda sa,
13:22kuch ho sakta hai,
13:23ki ayaan mumkin hai,
13:24koi raste nikal aayen,
13:25but mujhe short term mein aisa hota nazar nahi aa.
13:29Hani, aapko lagta hai ki,
13:30hani,
13:30is saal mein aapko,
13:31aaj as we speak,
13:32aapko lagta hai ki,
13:33is baad ke imkaan kate hi nahi lagta hai,
13:34ke wo salakho se bahar aayen,
13:35is saal mein.
13:37Mujhe mai poora saal toh nahi kahe kohunga,
13:38leke mein kohunga,
13:39in the near future,
13:40matlab hai,
13:41agle 2-4 mahindi hai,
13:42jo mujhe adan bhi khud nahi aa raha tha.
13:43Maalik sahab?
13:48Dekhi,
13:49humari politics hai,
13:51baddi trigger based politics hai.
13:53Kai events trigger karte hain cheezon ko.
13:55Sai hai.
13:57Jaise maine pehle kaha tha,
13:58ki yeh jo trial hai,
14:00Imran Khan sahab ka,
14:01nazar aa raha hai,
14:01deewaar pe likha,
14:02nazar aa raha hai,
14:03ki yeh karenge,
14:03unless koi American involvement,
14:05strong ho,
14:06agar Imran Khan sahab ka,
14:07military trial hota hai,
14:09toh phir sazaa bhi yaqeen hi hai.
14:11Aur agar sazaa ho jati hai,
14:13toh phir wo kya trigger ban sakta hai,
14:15ke nahi movement ka?
14:16Because,
14:17is waqt koi events nahi hai.
14:19So that will be an interesting point,
14:22jo dekhne wala hoga.
14:25Uske alawa toh mujhe,
14:26ek cheez toh baddi clear hai,
14:27dekhiye jab tak,
14:28maujooda fauji qiyadat hai,
14:31mujhe kisi kisim ki,
14:33lachak nazar nahi aa raha hai.
14:35Yeh Guardian Knot pad gayi bhi hai,
14:37ab,
14:38ke bhaiye,
14:38hota na padhe,
14:39bache do ladh padhe,
14:40strong log ladh padhe,
14:42toh phir kisi teesre bande ko,
14:43ghuske ladhai,
14:45chudwani padti hai.
14:47Koi chudwa de toh chudwa de,
14:49yeh dono log,
14:51eke kadar peeche hatne wale nahi hai.
14:53So, mujhe bahut bura,
14:55lockjam ek nazar aa raha hai,
14:56aur isliye,
14:57jo American angle hai,
14:58bahut important hai,
14:59ho sakta hai,
15:01jahan yeh sulha ki baat kar rahe hain,
15:02bachao ki baat kar rahe hain,
15:03wahaan koi compromise develop ho jaye,
15:06jisme again,
15:07jisna Mia sahab ki baari,
15:08involved tha,
15:09Saudi Arabia,
15:10America,
15:11is baari bhi involved ho,
15:12aur koi compromise solution,
15:14thoda sa nikal aaye,
15:15otherwise toh mujhe,
15:17shakti hain,
15:17badti nazar aati hain.
15:18Aur Maale sahab hum,
15:19mai,
15:20mai kuch karunga,
15:21mauzu se na hat jaye,
15:22lekin mai phir bhi yeh zimni sawal,
15:23quickly karung,
15:24usko clicker dekha ki,
15:25this is also how we differentiate,
15:27from the past scenario,
15:29jab log kehte hain,
15:29o ji dekhe na,
15:30Mia sahab ko,
15:31aur Badar sahab ko,
15:31bhi toh phadda padha ho raha tha,
15:32dekhen par saara maamla,
15:33set ho gaya,
15:33toh yeh basic farq hai,
15:34ke yaha bohot,
15:35aage chala gaya hai maamla,
15:36dekhen Khalsaab ko dekhe na,
15:38Khalsaab ki double whammy hua,
15:41Chief Justice woh ban gaye,
15:42jinko fire karne ki,
15:44unhone baat ki thi,
15:44woh unke aage,
15:46Chief Justice ban gaye,
15:47jinko unhone,
15:49fire kiya,
15:50ek critical job se,
15:52aur phir aage,
15:53baate bhi ki,
15:53ki unhe na banay,
15:54woh Army Chief ban gaye,
15:56so kehi bari insaan ka,
15:58daaira kuch aisa chalta hai,
16:00haalaat ka,
16:01ab mere khayal mein,
16:03jo mistrust hai,
16:05jab aap institution mein,
16:06logon se baat karte hain,
16:07Waseem toh wadi categorically hai,
16:09kehte hai ki,
16:09jee humne toh kaam karke dekha waai,
16:12jab mai baat karta hu,
16:13ki yaar itna bhi kya mistrust ho gaya,
16:15ab kyu nahi log aapas mein,
16:16baat ho chuti,
16:18woh kehte hai jee,
16:18hum aapse behtar jaante hain,
16:20humne toh kaam karke dekha waai,
16:21so humme na bataye,
16:23ke mistrust kya hota hai,
16:24trust kaise hota hai,
16:25So the answer of the question is,
16:27you will be very surprised,
16:28if there is a big unusual event,
16:31then it is a different matter,
16:31otherwise in today's date,
16:32you have a 100% chance,
16:34that maybe this year,
16:34they won't be able to come out of jail,
16:35that's for sure,
16:36am I right Mr. Malik?
16:37If there is a very big thing,
16:39then it will happen,
16:39otherwise I don't think they will come out.
16:41So Mr. Lodhai,
16:42Mr. Khan's coming out of jail,
16:45how much chance do you think he has,
16:46in 2025?
16:47Yes, I think that,
16:49I have at least 40% chance,
16:54that they will be released,
16:55but,
16:56for that there is only one condition,
16:58that they agree to the establishment,
17:01that I will sit quietly at home,
17:03and they agree to this government,
17:05and this system.
17:08So this means that,
17:09my next innocent question is,
17:10that you think 40% chance,
17:12that they will let this system run,
17:15and will agree to this government?
17:18Yes, yes, yes.
17:20And this is not against their temperament?
17:23Look,
17:24when they sat down for jokes,
17:26with the speaker of this parliament,
17:28and with Noon,
17:30and with People's Party,
17:32they almost accepted it.
17:34Now all that is left is to say it in words,
17:36but they have practically accepted it.
17:38Okay,
17:39so the next question is,
17:40that suppose they have accepted it,
17:42and they have assured it,
17:44the deficit,
17:46the trust deficit,
17:47which Mr. Malik was talking about,
17:49won't it be a problem,
17:50that they won't be ready to trust you,
17:52and everyone will think that,
17:54if there is even a little bit of space here,
17:56then the road will heat up again,
17:58and then the whole system will shake.
18:02I think they will ensure it,
18:04because the trust deficit is definitely there,
18:06and they will ensure that,
18:08Mr. Imran Khan does not go against it,
18:10and if he does go against it,
18:12then they will make some arrangement,
18:14as to what will happen as a result.
18:18And generally,
18:20when there is a trust deficit at this level,
18:22then only an international guarantor,
18:24or an international guarantor,
18:26comes into play.
18:30In Pakistan,
18:32you know that in Saudi Arabia,
18:34there was a guarantor
18:36in the 70-year election agreement,
18:38of the National Unity.
18:40Mr. Riaz-ul-Khatib used to be the speaker.
18:42When Mr. Nawaz Sharif went abroad,
18:44there was a guarantor for Saudi Arabia.
18:46When Mr. Benazir Bhutto came back,
18:48the US and the UK were guarantors.
18:50The UAE was also a guarantor.
18:52When Mr. Nawaz Sharif came back from Jeddah,
18:54Saudi Arabia was still a guarantor.
18:56So, in our country,
18:58these things continue to happen.
19:00But the question is that,
19:02both of them,
19:04Mr. Benazir Bhutto,
19:06had very close ties
19:08with Western countries.
19:10That's right.
19:12That's why he was involved,
19:14and the UAE was also involved.
19:16Mr. Nawaz Sharif had very good ties
19:18with Saudi Arabia.
19:20He had very good ties with the Lebanese.
19:22That's why he was involved.
19:24Mr. Imran Khan's associates
19:26had very good ties with Trump.
19:28But I don't think that
19:30Imran Khan had any direct ties
19:32with any Arab country,
19:34or any Western country.
19:36Yes, the PTI supporters
19:38who are present there,
19:40definitely have ties with Sadat Trump.
19:42And they will try to reduce the weight.
19:44But I'm telling them that
19:46this is a double-edged sword.
19:48It can be beneficial for them,
19:50or it can be harmful for them.
19:52That's right.
19:54Mr. Malik,
19:56we follow all of your programs,
19:58and try to learn from you.
20:00You talk a lot about the People's Party.
20:02So, if I ask you,
20:04how much do you think
20:06this year,
20:08the People's Party,
20:10which is still enjoyed by the government,
20:12will come to the driving seat
20:14of this system?
20:16How much chance do you think it has?
20:18Look, it has a lot of chance.
20:20If there is going to be
20:22an agreement settlement.
20:24You must remember,
20:26I broke the news a few weeks ago,
20:28that there is a serious conversation
20:30going on at the highest level,
20:32which we call
20:34the National Government,
20:36the Unity Government.
20:38Imran Khan's victory
20:40can be won by Imran Khan
20:42in two ways.
20:44One, as Suhail was saying,
20:46that, okay,
20:48you give them time,
20:50you come, you sit down,
20:52you give them time to accept,
20:54the early elections will be done,
20:56everything will be done.
20:58But the biggest victory for Imran
21:00is that the Sharif family
21:02will move forward,
21:04and such a government will be formed,
21:06run up to elections.
21:08Off the record,
21:10when I talk about the government,
21:12I talk more about the establishment,
21:14because they will do what they are told.
21:16So we hear that
21:18this can also be a deal.
21:20A year has passed,
21:22four years are left.
21:24Okay, leave the government
21:26for a year or a year and a half,
21:28give Imran Khan two years,
21:30so that the election takes place
21:32a year or a year and a half before the appointed date.
21:34And in the meantime,
21:36you decide the rules of the Election Commission,
21:38decide the rest of the rules,
21:40things should be decided,
21:42and a government of national consensus should be formed.
21:44So,
21:46if the People's Party leads it,
21:48it will be very acceptable
21:50that the PTI people should also be included
21:52as a goodwill measure and everything.
21:54This is a very big thought,
21:56a thought for the future.
21:58If you ask me honestly,
22:00I find it very difficult.
22:02But if there is a possibility,
22:04it is that this should be a part of the terms of engagement
22:06between the establishment
22:08and Imran Khan.
22:10But what you said earlier,
22:12that is very important.
22:14It is the issue of mistrust.
22:16Remember,
22:18a video message was also given by Bushra Bibi.
22:20Yes, no change will be taken.
22:22Categorically, she said that
22:24we are addressing the institutions
22:26that even if the message is wrong or not,
22:28there will be no vengeance.
22:30Even after this message,
22:32Imran Khan had six more meetings.
22:34After this message,
22:36we also saw military convictions.
22:38Despite this message,
22:40we saw that everything was fine.
22:42The problem is not what Imran Khan
22:44will do when he comes out.
22:46The problem for the establishment is
22:48that if Imran Khan comes out,
22:50then what happens?
22:52After that, there will be a point of no return.
22:54Fahad sir, the same question is from you.
22:56Do you think that the People's Party
22:58should come forward in any such equation
23:01I don't see much of a possibility this year.
23:06The reason for this is that
23:08if you look at the decisions
23:10that are being taken this year,
23:12then they are not getting much benefit
23:14from bringing the People's Party forward.
23:16The setup that is in front of us right now,
23:18as you said earlier,
23:20it has issues of legitimacy
23:22and other issues of popularity.
23:24Right.
23:26So, its counter is only one
23:28that they will be able to show
23:30that they have improved the situation of the country.
23:34Right.
23:36And the improvement that has come so far,
23:38there can be a debate on how good it is,
23:40but everyone is accepting that
23:42there is a little stability.
23:44And everyone is also saying
23:46that to maintain that stability,
23:48the order of the policies
23:50should be maintained
23:52and there should be no new surprises.
23:54Right now, the government of Shahbaz Sharif
23:56and vice versa.
23:58They have a team,
24:00they have an economic team,
24:02they are implementing the IMF program.
24:04There are other issues.
24:06So, if you look at it from the point of view
24:08of the decision makers,
24:10they don't have any incentive
24:12to suddenly bring a new party forward
24:14in the middle right now,
24:16in which all the people
24:18have not worked with them
24:20in the same way before.
24:22So, why would they want that?
24:24I don't see that.
24:26In my opinion,
24:28the current one-page government suits them.
24:30Correct. I will quickly move forward.
24:32Sohail sir, this question is for you.
24:34Then I will ask you the next question.
24:36Is it possible for the People's Party
24:38to come to the driving seat
24:40and go to the non-league phase?
24:42Do you think it is near to impossible
24:44that something like this will happen this year?
24:46Yes, for as long as 30-35 seats
24:48are not available in Punjab,
24:50without Punjab,
24:52I will come to the next question.
24:54If I say that the possibility of
24:56Azeez Hum Bataloon in 2055,
24:58is it zero?
25:00No, not at all.
25:02And again, there is a big issue in that.
25:04Look at this.
25:06Mr. Badami, look at this.
25:08We have put a cover
25:10on the civilians.
25:12Because of this,
25:14our nuclear facilities,
25:16all our matters,
25:18they have got a support.
25:20There is a cover on them.
25:22The day we lift this cover,
25:24or this cover of the bucket,
25:26that day we will become very vulnerable.
25:28Ah!
25:30So, this is the angle
25:32because of which the matter
25:34will never go to that level.
25:36Yes.
25:38Mr. Badami, this question is for you.
25:40Then I will ask you the next question.
25:42Do you think the possibility of Azeez Hum Bataloon
25:44is zero?
25:46No, no.
25:48We don't have the time for martial law.
25:50Tell me, when is the right time for martial law?
25:52What is martial law?
25:54In what circumstances does martial law apply?
25:56If the leadership of any person
25:58understands that
26:00if we don't take power now,
26:02then our position will be cut.
26:04We will be removed.
26:06We will be cleared.
26:08Even Mr. Bajwa,
26:10who became very weak in the end,
26:12there was a time
26:14when he also toyed with this idea.
26:16But he said that
26:18it is too late for him now.
26:20His star is going down.
26:22So, if I conclude this
26:24from your point of view,
26:26you are saying that there is less chance,
26:28but if it comes to that,
26:30then it will happen.
26:32Mr. Bajwa also needed an extension.
26:34The current leadership has an extension.
26:36They are influencing
26:38decisions with full power.
26:40If at this time
26:42there is a do or die situation,
26:44what do you think?
26:46Is it more likely that they will go home?
26:48Or will they play any card?
26:50What if they send them home?
26:52Mr. Afaad?
26:54Look, I don't think
26:56there is a need for this
26:58because martial law
27:00will change the situation.
27:02Whatever the establishment wants to do,
27:04it is doing it through a civilian setup.
27:06So, I will only say that
27:08the reason in my opinion
27:10that the chances of martial law
27:12are less is that
27:14I don't see any benefit
27:16in bringing martial law.
27:18I see only losses.
27:20And the way it is calculated,
27:22whatever the establishment wants to do
27:24through this government,
27:26with constitutional cover,
27:28it is happening.
27:30So, there is no need for this.
27:32I have a few more questions to ask.
27:34Stay with us.
27:36Viewers, Sohail Barlaich,
27:38Muhammad Malik, and Afaad Hussain are with us.
27:40Sohail Barlaich,
27:42Muhammad Malik,
27:44and Afaaad Hussain are with us.
27:46Sohail, this is fine.
27:48None of us are experts in economics.
27:50But as a common man,
27:52we have a good or bad influence
27:54on the economy.
27:56Do you think,
27:58as a layman,
28:00in the eyes of economists,
28:02do you think that
28:04at least the worst is over?
28:06Or do you think
28:08that you never know,
28:10there might be more problems
28:12in the economy?
28:14Sohail Barlaich?
28:16Yes.
28:18It is a very obvious thing.
28:20$337 to $310
28:22has gone down.
28:24So, definitely,
28:26the situation has improved.
28:28But it is also true that
28:30its effects did not reach the grassroots.
28:32And until it reaches
28:34the grassroots,
28:36you don't feel any change.
28:38You see,
28:40we all bought our cars on lease.
28:42Now,
28:44we don't get our cars on lease.
28:46Now, the way people
28:48used to have ease
28:50in doing business,
28:52they don't have it.
28:54Currently, the capital is hidden
28:56in banks or people have
28:58stored it in vaults.
29:00Until this happens,
29:02there will be no change.
29:04So, the construction
29:06process is about to start.
29:08A package is being made.
29:10So, the economy
29:12will be able to run.
29:14But do you think
29:16that the worst news
29:18about the economy
29:20has reached the grassroots?
29:22Or there might be more
29:24negative surprises?
29:26If you do mismanagement
29:28for 6 months,
29:30the situation will be the same.
29:32Because of the past
29:34economic crisis,
29:36the situation is bad.
29:38So, till the time
29:40we don't increase
29:42our income,
29:44the time we don't
29:46invest in new tax,
29:48the time we don't
29:50increase our export,
29:52it will be possible
29:54to resolve the issue.
29:56You have taken certain
29:58steps and stopped the situation
30:00See, the major threat of default has ended. But the situation is very tough for the next 2-3 years.
30:10We are told that inflation has increased from 18% to 40% or 4.9%.
30:17If your growth is projecting 2% and your inflation is 9.5% or 4.5%, it means you are standing at zero.
30:25Your interest rates will not increase even if they are in single digits.
30:30There are a lot of problems. Energy costs.
30:34The money that you should have recovered from IPPs, the government is playing games.
30:39See, we have stopped half of the IPPs projects.
30:42And you are letting people walk away with hundreds of billions of rupees that they have looted from you.
30:51The tax base has not widened yet. We are hearing a lot about this and that.
30:56It is not happening.
30:58It is very difficult for you this year and the next 2 years.
31:03And the economy will not be in a good shape.
31:07It is not in a good shape.
31:09And let me tell you that this is a powder keg.
31:13Let me give you a small example.
31:22You hear a lot about the stock market.
31:29There are about 350,000 accounts in which people trade.
31:37350,000 out of 25 crores.
31:4140,000 of these are active accounts.
31:44And do you know who is an active account?
31:46If that account has made a single transaction in a year, then it is active.
31:50So, out of 350,000, only 40,000 are active.
31:55Out of 40,000, only one person has made a single transaction in a year.
31:58Then there are about 300 stockbrokers.
32:01Out of them, 150 are active, around 140-142.
32:05Among them, there are 6-7 people in Pakistan who have multiple seats.
32:10So, this is your indicator fraud.
32:13Your mega-indicators are that our current ground is deficit.
32:18This is a very good idea.
32:19This is because your imports are very low.
32:24Why?
32:2570% of your imports are from the industry.
32:2810-20% of your imports are from the industry.
32:32So, our imports are low.
32:34And that is why you are not getting growth in exports.
32:37This is a very serious issue.
32:39To assume that the worst is over, it will not be.
32:46There are no reforms.
32:47In every budget, we hear the same story that they will put a point of sale.
32:51Mr. Fafaaz, what do you think about the economy?
32:54I see it this way, Haseem.
32:57When we say that the economy has become stable,
33:01it means that we were drowning in the sea.
33:06Now we have come out of the water.
33:08But now we have to swim to the shore.
33:12So, the swimming to the shore is still there.
33:16And if at any time your arms become too weak,
33:19then you will go back down.
33:21So, I think stability has come at this time.
33:25But the real difficult task ahead,
33:28i.e. reforming, taking difficult political decisions,
33:32restructuring, which is being discussed.
33:34But it has not happened yet.
33:35So, if in the next 2-6 months,
33:38these reforms start happening and their results start coming,
33:41then it can be said that things are better.
33:43And now we have reached near the shore while swimming.
33:46And we have come out of the danger of drowning.
33:48But now that time, I think, is at least 6 months away.
33:52And until then, we have to see that actually,
33:54the big words that are being said,
33:56that we are imposing agriculture tax,
33:58we will bring the retailers in the tax net,
34:00we will take our tax to GDP ratio, etc.
34:06So, I think stability has come.
34:09But if someone says that we have turned down the economy,
34:12I think it is like this.
34:13Sir, all three understand that there is a lot of vulnerability.
34:15As you gave a very interesting example,
34:17that you have come out of the water,
34:18you are safe from drowning,
34:19but the waves are still coming.
34:20If there is a strong wave, then the work can go wrong.
34:22In the last 8-10 minutes,
34:23I will quickly ask 2-3 questions.
34:24Mr. Sohail, towards the end of the year,
34:26we saw that at the end of the year,
34:28there was a very clear tension between Pakistan and Afghanistan.
34:31Of course, those who know, know that tension was being discussed
34:34among the powerful elements for a few months.
34:36And very serious talks were taking place.
34:38But then we saw that attacks, allegations, etc.
34:42Do you think this is such a serious matter
34:44that God forbid, that its impact,
34:46because this has happened in the past,
34:48that Pakistan's internal peace and security situation
34:50may happen with regard to Afghanistan?
34:52Do you think this is a worrying factor or not, Mr. Sohail?
34:57Although the state is very reluctant to fight with Afghanistan,
35:03but I think this fight has fallen on the neck of the state.
35:07Because all the other ways have failed.
35:13And now perhaps this is the only way left.
35:15Obviously, this is also very dangerous.
35:17Because it will have repercussions, as you are saying.
35:21But I think the resolved view is that we will fight this war.
35:27And the meaning of war is bloodshed,
35:30whether it is permissible or not,
35:32sometimes terrorism, sometimes civilians are targeted.
35:34This is what happens.
35:37We are stuck in this,
35:39that there is no other way for the state.
35:42They tried to reconcile,
35:44they tried to cooperate with them in every way,
35:48but I don't think any of them succeeded.
35:51Okay, this is about Afghanistan.
35:53I want to add one more question,
35:55because we are talking outside of Pakistan.
35:57In 2024, we saw that there were many incidents
35:59in the world's major governments.
36:02Bangladesh fell, Korea shook,
36:05Canada and India were saved.
36:07The regime of Bashar al-Assad ended there.
36:09We mentioned Afghanistan.
36:11A lot happened, right?
36:12At the beginning of this year,
36:14the biggest comeback of Donald Trump
36:17will be in your hands.
36:19You have reasons,
36:20the issue of Ukraine is going on,
36:22the issue of Palestine is going on.
36:24As a whole, I am asking,
36:26will the international affairs be better?
36:29There will be more bloodshed,
36:31or at least we have reasons to believe
36:33that Trump's policies will be better.
36:37Look, Trump's policy act from the beginning
36:40is a domestic focus.
36:42It is not included in international engagements.
36:45Secondly, his issues are not moral
36:47or international issues.
36:51But obviously, there are some things
36:53that are important to him.
36:55For that, he will continue to support Israel.
36:57And his repercussions will come.
37:00And secondly, there is one more thing.
37:02The international plan of the USA
37:05will not stop.
37:06It will not stop in the era of Trump
37:09and maybe it will not stop in the coming era.
37:12So, he has done two things.
37:15The threats in the Islamic world
37:18and the allies of the Soviet Union
37:21or you,
37:22he has destroyed all of them.
37:24And he has destroyed those
37:26who used to dream of Islamic unity.
37:29All of them are gone now.
37:31Hafez al-Assad and Syria were the last ones left.
37:34The rest all left.
37:36So, his plan is visible.
37:39Even if there is no conspiracy,
37:41at least it seems that
37:43he has contained everyone in the Muslim world.
37:47Quickly, Mr. Fafad,
37:48regarding Afghanistan,
37:50do you also think that
37:51peace could not be achieved, unfortunately?
37:53Yes.
37:54Look, Mr. Waseem,
37:56the actions that we have taken in the last few days,
37:59after that it has become clear
38:01that Pakistan is now on a gradual policy.
38:04Now, there has been a process
38:06as far as terrorism is concerned.
38:08Because it is also clear
38:10that the base of terrorism is inside Afghanistan.
38:13So, I think now this battle will be hot.
38:17And on the other hand,
38:18what we were talking about,
38:19Mr. Sohail,
38:20in the Middle East,
38:21almost all matters have been redrawn.
38:23So, in that,
38:24now,
38:25the focus of Mr. Trump and Israel will be on Iran.
38:28So, if we look at it from that angle,
38:30our two border areas,
38:34there will be a lot of turbulence.
38:36In Iran,
38:37in Afghanistan,
38:38and in Afghanistan,
38:39we have a direct relationship.
38:40So, where,
38:41I think,
38:42our internal conditions are a little unsettled,
38:45so,
38:46in 2025,
38:47the matter of our borders,
38:49this situation seems very serious.
38:51Yes, this is an interesting scenario.
38:52Maybe it is unfortunate,
38:53but it is interesting.
38:54It is true that there will be separate matters in Iran
38:56and separate matters in Afghanistan.
38:57Mr. Malik,
38:58what is your opinion on this?
39:01Look,
39:02I think there will be a shortage of conflicts.
39:04One,
39:05it has already played out.
39:06Gaza has been destroyed.
39:07Golan, Israel,
39:08have taken over more.
39:09The rest of the people,
39:10Saudi Arabia,
39:11UAE,
39:12are already on the line
39:13in terms of recognizing.
39:15So, the Middle East
39:16will be a totally transformed Middle East.
39:18I would like to say something about Afghanistan.
39:20You must have noted one thing.
39:21Not one strike,
39:22but three strikes have been carried out in Afghanistan so far.
39:25Yes.
39:26And a big airstrike is also involved in the middle.
39:28Have you seen?
39:29There has been a major response of the Afghan Taliban.
39:32Yes.
39:33As before,
39:34it is not the same as before.
39:36Look,
39:37this is not happening in a vacuum in Pakistan.
39:40Pakistan is absolutely right.
39:42There is a great compulsion.
39:43But you see,
39:44there is a tacit approval.
39:46And you will still see,
39:47even in 2025,
39:48you will not see a lot of retaliation from Kabul.
39:52There is a lot of internal dynamics in Afghanistan.
39:55Kabul is also under threat.
39:56That Kandahar factor,
39:57the second factor,
39:58which people are recruiting Al-Qaeda and ISIS heavily.
40:02There was a move in which they gave a lot of options
40:06that you relocate from this area
40:08or you go to Pakistan.
40:10Now the burden is increasing a lot here.
40:13Now Kabul also wants that these people
40:16who were also participating in the second grouping,
40:19we assumed that all the Pakistani Taliban,
40:22Punjabi Taliban and others are sitting,
40:24they are in support of all Kabul.
40:26No, not in support of all Kabul.
40:28There is a very big faction with the Andalusians and others
40:32that is becoming ISIS on the other side.
40:34Basically,
40:35many of these people are spitting
40:38to whom Kabul is now thinking that
40:40we are not that loyal.
40:42And the payback that we had to them,
40:44we have done it.
40:45We saved it initially.
40:47When Kabul fell,
40:48the Taliban came.
40:50There were a lot of groups
40:52who fought together with the Taliban
40:54against the Americans,
40:55against the rest.
40:56One, you owe the reward of your loyalty.
41:00That payback has also been done.
41:02Now these people,
41:03many of these people are also increasing
41:05the pings of love on the other side.
41:07So this is a very complex situation
41:09of Afghanistan at the moment.
41:10But this,
41:11you will also see that
41:13Kabul will be as disturbed
41:15as it used to be in the past.
41:17Okay.
41:18Or there used to be a lot of retaliation.
41:19Let me take a short break.
41:21Suhail Warraich Sahib,
41:22Mohammad Malik Sahib,
41:23Fahad Hussain Sahib are with us.
41:24Let's take a short break.
41:28Mr. Prem,
41:29I welcome you again.
41:30Sir, just two last questions.
41:31Mr. Suhail,
41:32this game of cricket
41:34is one of those things
41:36that unites our entire nation.
41:38We all are happy together,
41:39we cry together
41:40when there is good or bad news in cricket.
41:41So,
41:42I don't know
41:43whether you are a cricket fan or not.
41:45But you,
41:46I mean,
41:47what,
41:48now this is a big,
41:49the matter of Champions Trophy
41:50has been discussed a lot
41:51beyond cricket.
41:52Obviously,
41:53India is coming,
41:54India is not coming.
41:55Then,
41:56anyway,
41:57a matter has been decided.
41:58Do you have any hope?
41:59And now,
42:00at the end of the year,
42:01there is good news
42:02from the cricket field.
42:03South Africa,
42:04Australia,
42:05then England.
42:06Do you have any hope?
42:07Do you think,
42:08as a Pakistani,
42:09do you have any hope
42:10from the cricket field,
42:11Mr. Suhail?
42:12Look,
42:13my interest
42:14in the time
42:15when Majid Khan,
42:16Imran Khan
42:17used to be there,
42:18Okay.
42:19In that time,
42:20it was a lot.
42:21Now,
42:22it's just
42:23a matter of
42:24who won
42:25and who lost
42:26in cricket.
42:27Okay,
42:28that's it.
42:29More than that,
42:30I am happy
42:31that we have
42:32gained something
42:33positive.
42:34We have won
42:35some matches.
42:36The deal
42:37with the
42:38Cricket Council
42:39is also good.
42:40We will get
42:41some relief
42:42from Pakistan.
42:43So,
42:44that's all
42:45I am interested in.
42:46So,
42:47you are also a fan
42:48of Mr. Khan
42:49in cricket,
42:50Mr. Suhail Wadai.
42:51Yes.
42:52That's right.
42:53Mr. Fahad?
42:56Look,
42:57in regards to cricket,
42:58if you go back
42:59to the beginning of
43:002024,
43:01it was a very bad
43:02situation.
43:03In T20,
43:04they lost to America.
43:05There was only one field
43:06where I thought
43:07they would easily
43:08defeat America.
43:09They lost there too.
43:10Absolutely.
43:11At that time,
43:12it seemed that
43:13Pakistan's cricket
43:14was completely destroyed.
43:15Yes.
43:16But after that,
43:17there has been a revival
43:18and whatever happened
43:19in the last few months,
43:20whatever decisions were made
43:21based on which
43:22this turnaround happened,
43:23we are seeing
43:24the results of that.
43:25And now,
43:26new people are coming
43:27forward,
43:28new stars are coming
43:29forward.
43:30And now,
43:31because it was
43:32a Champions Trophy
43:33matter,
43:34I think Pakistan
43:35has handled it
43:36well.
43:37They have maintained
43:38their position.
43:39So,
43:40it is going to happen.
43:41So,
43:42I think
43:43this is a good
43:44beginning of the year
43:45for Pakistan.
43:46And,
43:47clearly,
43:48the matters
43:49are getting
43:50resolved.
43:51Yes,
43:52Malik Sahib,
43:53on 23rd February,
43:54Pakistan will
43:55play India
43:56in the UAE
43:57Champions Trophy.
43:58No,
43:59I think,
44:00definitely,
44:01the trends are
44:02looking good.
44:03And,
44:04I think,
44:05Aqib Javed's
44:06coaching is a
44:07brilliant decision
44:08because he
44:09picks up people
44:10and he has
44:11a good understanding.
44:12But,
44:13I think,
44:14he should be
44:15a chairman
44:16full-time.
44:17I mean,
44:18he has done
44:19well in the
44:20Champions Trophy.
44:21But,
44:22despite that,
44:23he has delivered
44:24well in the
44:25Champions Trophy.
44:26I think,
44:27it is possible.
44:28I know many
44:29sports journalists
44:30who are of the
44:31opinion that
44:32it is not possible
44:33that India
44:34should follow
44:35this hybrid model.
44:36It is also
44:37not possible
44:38for India
44:39to give
44:40India the
44:41ICC.
44:42But,
44:43both the
44:44things
44:45have happened.
44:46No,
44:47There is someone else in the middle, then you reach the destination and a third leader, you come and do the final speech.
44:54One is that in turbulent times, a person comes and says that he is enjoying the trust of the Prime Minister, he is enjoying the army chief, so he has made two or three big decisions.
45:05Institutional building will be done by a full-time person who works 24 hours a day.
45:10I am not saying that Mohsin Naqvi has done a bad job.
45:13But if you want to build institutions, then institutions cannot be built from multiple portfolios.
45:19You and I will run the institution for two years, that Wasim has run it very well, but if you want to build an institution on a multi-layer basis,
45:28then you should hire a person who thinks 24 hours a day, does everything, breathes in and breathes out, who does everything.
45:35Like Mr. Malik, he has a lot of skills in different fields.
45:44He is not just a politician, he has a lot of skills in many fields.
45:52Similarly, Mohsin Naqvi has also shown skills in many fields.
45:55See, in Pakistan, the name of Sir Fair Marshal Lohr Khan is such that he cured PIA, he cured hockey, he got interested in cricket, he also stopped a bomb blast,
46:10he also went to the bus of Aghawa Kunidgan, so some people have skills inside them, they should take advantage of it.
46:18And you think Mohsin sir is one of them, Suhail sir?
46:22Yes, he is our friend, that's why we are saying this.
46:26But after Mr. Noor Khan left, all those things fell down, because they were going on top of his dynamism.
46:38Mr. Malik, you have built institutions, you don't make them fall, Mr. Malik, you have built institutions.
46:46Okay, now this last question is related to all three of you, Suhail sir, let me ask you first,
46:52which politician of Pakistan would you have been, which personality would you have been, whose interview you would not have done?
46:59Is there any such personality left in Pakistan that in 2025, Suhail would have thought that I have to do this interview, I have to get this interview,
47:05and whose interview you have not done till date. Is there such a person, Suhail sir?
47:09No, but nowadays I feel like breaking Nawaz Sharif's silence.
47:15But no, Mr. Mian, you are not agreeing to the interviews right now?
47:19No, no, not at all.
47:21Okay, and is there any interview from the sports or entertainment industry that is left and you want to do it?
47:31Because there is news that you also enjoy interviews related to the entertainment industry.
47:37Just like you.
47:41So is there anyone left whom you want to interview?
47:46You suggest, I will do it.
47:48I have a name in my mind, should I tell you on air or off air?
47:51Just send it.
47:53I will tell you off air.
47:55And is there any international personality, Suhail sir, about whom you would say that I have to do this interview, if I get a chance.
48:02Sir, I had a great desire to interview two people, Obama and Clinton, but neither of them could be possible.
48:11Mr. Malik, is there any Pakistani or international personality whom you would like to interview if you get a chance in 2025?
48:20Army Chief.
48:26There are only two interviews before 2025, either Army Chief's interview or Imran Khan's.
48:31That's it.
48:32There are no bigger interviews than this.
48:34Okay, fine.
48:36What should I say next?
48:38Mr. Fahad Hussain.
48:40And the chances of these two interviews are very low for Mr. Malik right now.
48:44That's right.
48:46Talk about something that we can think of.
48:50There is no sitting Army Chief in Pakistan who has not yet given an interview.
48:54Look, there are restrictions on talking and thinking in our country.
49:00There are restrictions on wishes.
49:02Okay, fine.
49:04Today is the first day of the year.
49:07Thank you very much, sir.
49:09Thank you to all three guests.
49:11Happy New Year to all of you.
49:13Thank you all for staying with us.
49:15We tried our best to give you a summary of what is possible this year.
49:19May Allah make this year better than last year.
49:21Inshallah.
49:23May life be healthy.
49:25See you next time.
49:27Inshallah. Allah Hafiz.