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00:00In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful, Peace be upon you.
00:06We have a lot of topics to discuss, so let's start directly with our first story.
00:10And that is, will the negotiations between the Pakistan Delegation and the government be successful or not?
00:16Okay, this has been a question for a long time, so why are we discussing it in a special way?
00:20That is because today there has been a special development.
00:22What is that?
00:23That is, today Mr. Imran Khan has had an important meeting.
00:26First of all, he has been allowed to meet and he has met.
00:29He has met Mr. Fawad Chaudhary, Mr. Shah Mahmood Qureshi, and then Mr. Ali Amin Ghandapur.
00:37And then after this meeting, he had a separate meeting with Mr. Ali Amin Ghandapur for about an hour and a half.
00:44First of all, when you have a separate meeting with Ali Amin Ghandapur,
00:48the same Ali Amin Ghandapur who was not allowed to meet the day before yesterday,
00:52so this means that you can think that he is being allowed to meet.
00:57That is, someone wants to talk somewhere.
01:00If you talk, there will be a way forward.
01:03So this means that some message has to be conveyed.
01:07So this is one thing.
01:09And after that, what happened in that meeting?
01:12Ali Amin Ghandapur gave this opinion to Mr. Khan, contrary to Mr. Fawad Chaudhary's opinion.
01:18Mr. Fawad Chaudhary said that I don't think the government is interested in negotiations.
01:22Negotiations are not going anywhere. Nothing will come out of this.
01:24Ali Amin Ghandapur's opinion is different.
01:26He thinks that negotiations will move forward and the matter will be resolved.
01:32I did not say this on my own.
01:34Mr. Fawad Chaudhary himself said this on television at 8 o'clock.
01:38Now if you connect the dots,
01:40so this means that Mr. Ali Amin Ghandapur,
01:42because he was saying to Mr. Khan,
01:44or he was going to say,
01:46that you do me a favor and stay hopeful.
01:49The matter of negotiations will move forward.
01:51That is why he was allowed to meet so much.
01:53So what about that civil disobedience movement?
01:55About which Mr. Khan said that he should start from Sunday.
01:58This was also said by Mr. Fawad Chaudhary.
02:00What did he say? You see what he said.
02:03Now Mr. Khan has said that you do it this way,
02:06because you are saying,
02:08then you wait till Saturday.
02:10If you get any positive signal from the government,
02:14then there is a call for civil disobedience.
02:17Take it forward.
02:19And if it does not come, then you can tell it according to the schedule.
02:23This is important that Mr. Khan said to Mr. Ghandapur,
02:26because he had to say that negotiations will move forward.
02:29He gave a permission that if you think the matter is getting better,
02:32then okay, you move ahead with civil disobedience.
02:34If it is not happening, then there is no other option other than civil disobedience.
02:37So will this matter move forward or not?
02:39And some more questions related to this.
02:41Mr. Hamid Reza, Chairman of the Sunni Jihad Council.
02:44Obviously, the most important union of Pakistan Jihad.
02:47And the formation of the Negotiating Committee, which Mr. Imran Khan has also formed.
02:50A part of it, an important part of it.
02:53Huzoor, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
02:55Yes, Walaikum-as-salam Haseen Bhai.
02:57Sir, thank you for your time.
02:59First, if Mr. Hamid can tell that
03:01you are also a member of the Negotiating Committee.
03:04And Mr. Khan had called the members of the Negotiating Committee today.
03:07You also tweeted yesterday.
03:09So today you did not go to meet Mr. Khan.
03:11You were not allowed to meet him. What happened today?
03:13Yes, Haseen Bhai.
03:15The request for a meeting was sent.
03:17Formally, we had to request the Jail authorities.
03:20But we were not allowed to meet.
03:24So that is why you did not go to the Dialogue today?
03:27Yes, absolutely.
03:29We did have bail.
03:31Mr. Omar Ayyub also had bail.
03:33I myself am currently travelling to the South.
03:36I have a case of Supposed Bail.
03:38Mr. Asad Qasir also had bail.
03:40But when we were told that there is no surety for a meeting.
03:44And like it happened in the first two meetings.
03:47It will be the same that we will be standing outside.
03:50Or we will be arrested or we will go back.
03:52So after that we found out that Ali Ameen will meet.
03:57So we decided to meet Ali Ameen.
04:02And we will hold till then.
04:05Okay.
04:06I have just told you the situation of meeting Ali Ameen.
04:09What is your opinion?
04:10Obviously, there are two opinions.
04:12One is Mr. Fawad's opinion that nothing will happen.
04:14The whole structure of the government is standing on this.
04:17That PTI should not be discussed.
04:19That is why the government will never let the Dialogue succeed.
04:21And it is going nowhere.
04:22One is Ali Ameen's opinion that the matter will move forward.
04:25Whose opinion do you think you are closer to?
04:29Look, we were in a meeting last night.
04:33Ali Ameen and all of us were together.
04:36Ali Ameen categorically did not say that the matter will move forward in any case.
04:41Yes, in any case.
04:42There is a possibility.
04:43There is hope.
04:44Mr. Fawad has an opinion.
04:45Look, my opinion is that the Dialogue does not suit the government.
04:50Because when there will be Dialogue.
04:52There will be a positive outcome.
04:54And who will shrink as a result of that positive outcome?
04:58The current government will shrink.
05:00And secondly, a few of his statements were positive on the previous day.
05:05But before that, the way the government was bashing the Dialogue Committee.
05:10In fact, the way the Dialogue was brought under question.
05:15So this issue is there and it is understandable.
05:19But I hope against the hope.
05:22Because Mr. Ali Ameen did not tell us.
05:25Tonight or tomorrow morning, God willing, in the meeting of the Dialogue Committee.
05:29Mr. Ali Ameen will brief all the members.
05:31What discussion has been had with Mr. Khan?
05:33Then I will be in a better condition if I can respond to this, Mr. Maseen.
05:37You are a part of the Dialogue Committee.
05:39You are still a member of the Dialogue Committee.
05:41Has any member of the Dialogue Committee contacted the Speaker House?
05:45Of the desire for Dialogue.
05:46Of course, there have been speeches in the Assembly.
05:48We are talking in every talk show.
05:49But has there been a formal conversation with the Speaker House in this regard?
05:53Yes, officially, no member has been contacted yet.
05:59Yes, unofficial, unofficial chit-chat has certainly been discussed.
06:06Has any member contacted?
06:08No member has been contacted.
06:10Has any member contacted on this one-point agenda?
06:12That you are the Speaker, we are the PTI, we want to talk, you move on.
06:17Have any of you contacted?
06:19No, we did not have to contact.
06:22In the initial days, when the committee was formed, some things were wrongly presumed.
06:28Basically, Mr. Khan had formed a committee that the government says that Pakistan Tariq-e-Insan does not want to negotiate.
06:37So we are forming a Dialogue Committee.
06:39Now whoever wants to talk, they can talk to us.
06:43As far as we are concerned, we have now received an open offer from Mr. Khan.
06:48We have given it.
06:49After that, we understand very clearly that the government's attitude was revealed in the first 48 hours.
06:55That the government tried to sabotage the Dialogue Committee, the actions of the Dialogue Committee.
07:01Tried to make fun of it.
07:03Based on that, we are categorically clear that we will not contact in our capacity.
07:09The announcement that had to be made by us has been made.
07:12Now if the government wants to do it, then do it.
07:15You have said that in your opinion, the government is not very interested.
07:18I mean, it will not happen because of the reason you mentioned.
07:21Because our space will shrink.
07:22And in your opinion, will the establishment want to talk or not?
07:27Sir, look, in my opinion, at the end of the day, if the sense has to prevail.
07:35And things have to be taken lightly.
07:38So I think that there should be a desire for negotiations from that side.
07:42If it does not happen, then it will be unfortunate.
07:45We will go towards further confrontation.
07:47And we are already ready for it.
07:49The situation is in front of you.
07:50We are seeing.
07:51We have been suffering for two and a half years.
07:52We will suffer more.
07:53But if there will be a confrontation, then it will be unfortunate.
07:57Okay, now tell me one more thing, sir.
07:59Because that day there was a very detailed session in the National Assembly.
08:02It was said that if the situation has to be improved, then Pakistan should also reduce its tone and attitude.
08:08Khawaja Asif also said that if you say Subhan Allah, then I will say Subhan Allah in response.
08:13And now you have also given the reference that in the course of negotiations,
08:16apparently, if something seems to be a hindrance,
08:18then those fast statements are coming from the government.
08:20So from there it came out that if PTI or Bani PTI also reduce the environment of this kind,
08:28that if we come back to the national arena, then we will not take any political revenge or any kind of revenge.
08:35In that, you tell me what is your opinion?
08:37I want to run a statement of yours.
08:38Then Mr. Marwat said in our program, then you tell me what is your opinion on this?
08:41You said on the floor of the house that you have taken them to this level.
08:45I want to show you, show me.
08:47You can victimize politically.
08:49I said in the first speech that you are taking political opponents to personal enmity, sir.
08:55And if you have taken them to personal enmity, then okay, sir, then we will bear the enmity.
09:00If we are so many, then God willing, we will bear the enmity.
09:03The way you have suffered, you will suffer worse than me, sir.
09:07Okay, now I asked Mr. Marwat such a thing that,
09:10Mr. Khawaja, do you think Mr. Asif's suggestion is reasonable that the temperature should be reduced
09:14and you should talk about political revenge that we will not take revenge from anyone.
09:19Listen to that part of the conversation with Mr. Marwat.
09:22Do you think that in these circumstances, if you get a chance to meet Mr. Khan,
09:25he should be given this opinion?
09:27Like Bushra Bibi said, addressing the institutions,
09:30that Mr. Khan, I want to give a message that you should believe that they will not come back and take revenge.
09:35If a statement of this kind, similar to this, comes about his political opponents,
09:40then the environment of negotiations will be even more dangerous.
09:43There is no doubt in this.
09:47I personally think that if anyone from our party raises the slogan of revenge,
09:53then I will be the first to stand against that person.
09:56This will have to come out of the politics of revenge.
10:00If the need arises, then perhaps Mr. Khan will not delay in making such a statement.
10:05What will you say, Mr. Hamid?
10:08You have made me laugh in a moment.
10:14I am going to answer that.
10:16First of all, you attributed this to Khawaja Asif,
10:21that if he makes a change in his attitude,
10:25then if some other reasonable person had spoken,
10:28then perhaps I would have responded to him.
10:30A person whose tongue has never been safe in the parliament,
10:35who without any reason considers it his duty to defame people,
10:40if he speaks like this,
10:42then I think that there can be no more serious joke than this.
10:46Okay, this is his answer.
10:48As far as Sher Afzal's statement is concerned,
10:51I gave this statement on one issue, and I stand by my statement.
10:56If I had said this, and I still stand by it,
11:01I have been saying this for two years,
11:03that you are turning political opponents into personal enemies.
11:08What is happening to me in Faisalabad is not happening nationally.
11:13In the same way, with every parliamentarian,
11:15Dr. Azeem Lakhri, who has been physically tortured,
11:19I have a setting,
11:21and a seasoned person, an extremely decent person,
11:24what do you think, will he forgive?
11:26The problem is that if there is acknowledgement from the other side,
11:30I had said that if you want to keep this personal enmity as personal enmity,
11:36and if you want to convert it, then okay, then we will take revenge.
11:39I stand by my statement.
11:41My sister, who is facing a daily trial in the court of terrorism,
11:46stands there.
11:48For someone, this statement might not be important,
11:50but it is important for me.
11:52Yasmin Rashid has been in jail for two years,
11:55it might not be important for someone, but it is important for me.
11:58If we want to run this government on our own,
12:04if we want to send someone home,
12:06if we want to sacrifice everything for that,
12:08then it will depend on the person to person,
12:10who wants to leave the person,
12:12who does not want to leave,
12:14who wants to leave,
12:16and if he does not want to leave,
12:18then I will not leave him.
12:20I am saying this in your program,
12:22this is no way.
12:24What do you think,
12:26that you have insulted people,
12:28you have reached the mothers of people,
12:30you have reached the sisters,
12:32then my idea is right, sir.
12:34Then tomorrow your stick will work,
12:36today your stick is working,
12:38tomorrow my stick will work.
12:40If you take the nails of conscience on this occasion,
12:42you are responsible for your mistake,
12:44and you are ready to rectify that mistake,
12:46you say that okay,
12:48political victimization has happened at the level,
12:50where it should not have happened,
12:52then it is fine.
12:54Then we are so great,
12:56that we will be ready to ignore this.
12:58Otherwise, you have,
13:00You beg to differ from Sher Uddin Marwad,
13:02otherwise.
13:04Basad Iqram is different from him.
13:06Is it like this?
13:08Yes, sorry.
13:10I am saying that if it is not like what you are saying,
13:12and if you change it by force,
13:14then your Basad Iqram Marwad
13:16has a different opinion on this.
13:18No, it is completely different.
13:20I am standing on my opinion,
13:22I am not going back on what I said.
13:24If I have to send this government home
13:26after making sacrifices,
13:28I have to make more sacrifices,
13:30I have to take more beatings,
13:32my family, my community, my people,
13:34have to make more sacrifices,
13:36workers have to take more bullets,
13:38and workers have to be martyred,
13:40then why should we forgive?
13:42Then what is forgiveness?
13:44If you do not realize even after
13:46such a brutal treatment,
13:48then we should not either.
13:50If you realize,
13:52again I am saying this,
13:54if you are ready to realize,
13:56and if the leadership itself
13:58announces forgiveness,
14:00then it will be a different matter.
14:02If forgiveness is announced by Mr. Khan,
14:04then it will be at the national level.
14:06Mr. Khan's enmity is not at the regional level,
14:08it is a political opposition.
14:10I have to make sacrifices,
14:12those who have trapped me here,
14:14those who have made me make sacrifices,
14:16I will do it with them,
14:18if I have the courage, I will do it,
14:20if not, I will not be able to do it.
14:22But obviously,
14:24the people of Punjab,
14:26whatever is happening to them,
14:28they understand the institutions
14:30to a large extent,
14:32so forgiveness has already been announced
14:34to the institutions.
14:36No sir, no, we are not fighting
14:38against the institutions,
14:40I am telling you,
14:42this is not their place,
14:44today the institutions will step back,
14:46they will fall,
14:48it is happening from there,
14:50the general is directing,
14:52the victimization that has happened
14:54at the local level,
14:56Noon League has taken
14:58the shoulder of the establishment,
15:00basically,
15:02Noon League has shown
15:04that they say,
15:06Noon League has done
15:08their personal opposition,
15:10personal enmity at the regional level,
15:12they have fulfilled it in the name of the establishment,
15:14so we have no fight with the establishment,
15:16Waseem bhai, there is no fight for two reasons,
15:18number one,
15:20they take my name and tell me,
15:22some officer has shot me,
15:24someone has tried to kill me,
15:26someone has given me poison,
15:28this is the right of every person,
15:30No, I am not challenging the right,
15:32you are saying that we have no fight,
15:34I am saying that they are taking my name
15:36and telling me what they have done to me,
15:38you are saying that we have no fight,
15:40Sir, when I was attacked,
15:42I did not say that Anas Anawla
15:44is involved in this attack,
15:46I also told you that it was my right,
15:48you can say what you feel,
15:50there is no restriction on that,
15:52No, I am not saying that there is a restriction,
15:54I am saying that there is a fight
15:56and disagreement with the establishment,
15:58you are saying that we have no disagreement
16:00with the establishment,
16:02Sir, we have a disagreement,
16:04there are two sides to it,
16:06one, we cannot get rid of them,
16:08we do not have a militant band outlet,
16:10that we will pick up weapons like TTP
16:12and start martyring the soldiers,
16:14we are people who call the martyrdom of the soldiers,
16:16we are people who say that the soldiers
16:18of the Pak army are not martyrs,
16:20you must remember that my father
16:22had declared this at that time,
16:24I still stand by that,
16:26secondly, every person should speak
16:28according to their status and abilities,
16:30I do not have so many abilities
16:32that I can challenge them and
16:34survive in Pakistan,
16:36I do not have the capacity to take revenge,
16:38secondly, I have evidence
16:40that what happened to me,
16:42the institution was not involved in it,
16:44I still have the sent orders
16:46of the Punjab minister,
16:48which was given to the CPO of Faisalabad,
16:50which was dealt with me on 26th,
16:52I will react according to my situation,
16:54towards the end,
16:56this is not a related matter,
16:58but it is a more important matter,
17:00I am sure you will agree with me,
17:02it is more important than any other matter,
17:04it is an area of Pakistan,
17:06which is cut off from Pakistan,
17:08it is a few kilometers long road,
17:10which is not being taken care of by the government,
17:1223 people have died there,
17:1429 children have died there,
17:16due to lack of medicines,
17:18and the amazing thing is,
17:20officially, Qadir Patel was chairing the house,
17:22he told the secretary of health,
17:24that there is news in the newspaper,
17:26that 19 children have died due to lack of medicines,
17:28you tell me if this is true,
17:30he came and confirmed,
17:32that no sir, not 19, but 29 children,
17:34then Faisal Lajee sahib came there,
17:36he is saying this,
17:38here the government's translator of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
17:40these children have not died due to lack of medicines,
17:42and there are medicines there,
17:44everything is okay,
17:46and Raja Nasir Abbas has expressed his sadness,
17:48you, Raja sahib,
17:50and your respected father,
17:52who I have a lot of respect for,
17:54you know,
17:56regarding the Muslim Brotherhood,
17:58what will you say on this,
18:00Faisal Lajee is saying,
18:02I have seen that there are no medicines in the medical stores,
18:04he is not saying that there are medicines,
18:06this is a wrong report on the media,
18:08when this issue was raised,
18:10then even at that time,
18:12despite severe life threats,
18:14you know, I went to that area,
18:16it is forbidden for me to go there,
18:18but me and Raja Nasir Abbas sahib,
18:20Shehryar Afridi sahib, Naseem Shah sahib,
18:22the four of us went there,
18:24first we went to Parachinar,
18:26there in the central station,
18:28then the delegation of the Muslim Brotherhood there,
18:30with us in Bisham,
18:32they went to the house of Ahle Sunnah,
18:34both the delegations went to each other,
18:36we settled this matter,
18:38this is basically
18:40a matter of a few acres of land,
18:42which is given a sectarian color,
18:44so number one, understand that
18:46this is not a Shia-Sunni issue,
18:48number two,
18:50when people were identified there,
18:52that this problem has come
18:54because of these people,
18:56and those people were not arrested,
18:58or they were provided shelter,
19:00because of that,
19:02that matter became more sensitive,
19:04and then that massacre happened,
19:06those heart-wrenching incidents,
19:08in which children and women
19:10were killed in the convoys,
19:12houses were not supposed to be evacuated,
19:14after that the situation is that,
19:16Parachinar, if you look at it geographically,
19:18it is in Afghanistan from three sides,
19:20it is like a ticket,
19:22of which three parts are on the side of Afghanistan,
19:24and only one side
19:26meets Pakistan,
19:28so this part is in Afghanistan,
19:30the majority of the population there is
19:32Shia-Sunni,
19:34you are right,
19:36you are going into the depth of the issue,
19:38I am just asking,
19:40at least there should be clarity,
19:42who is right in this,
19:44on one side there is news that
19:4639 children were killed,
19:48I am telling you,
19:50children were killed,
19:52in that, the KPK government,
19:54the Prime Minister had provided
19:56his special helicopter,
19:58me and Raja Nassar Abbas,
20:00Ali Ameen Sahib has told us all the details,
20:02you see,
20:04Waseem Bhai, there is an area,
20:06which has a population of 5 lakhs,
20:08it is very cold there,
20:10the road has not been closed
20:12by the KPK government,
20:14our security personnel
20:16have closed it,
20:18in spite of this,
20:20the Prime Minister has only one helicopter,
20:22he is flying one helicopter daily,
20:24he is taking as many
20:26medicines as he can,
20:28yes, we admit that
20:30the quantity of medicines
20:32should reach, it is not reaching,
20:34but till last night,
20:36the report we had,
20:38the Prime Minister was really concerned,
20:40since last night,
20:42he has been sitting with the helicopter
20:44till 4 in the morning,
20:46we are hoping that
20:48within 24-36 hours,
20:50the road will be open,
20:52after which the issue of
20:54Ghazai-e-Janaas and medicine
20:56will be solved.
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27:58It should be a matter of sentimentality when it comes to Pakistan, then why shouldn't it be a matter of sentimentality?
28:01But this was not right even on merit, you understand that PCB took a good stand and it was successful in that too.
28:07That sir, it is not always possible that we keep coming, you don't come at all, you keep being stubborn.
28:13So you understand that because of the efforts of PCB, it was successful that now Pakistan will not go to India.
28:21And the ICC has written this in its press release.
28:24Because even last night, I was talking to all the sports journalists and players in Pakistan and India.
28:30Most of them had the opinion that even if India agrees to this, they would never give it in writing.
28:36It is not possible to give it in writing, but today it was really written.
28:38Do you understand, well done by PCB or your opinion is different?
28:43In the name of God, well done to PCB.
28:46They took a very good stand and played the game very politely.
28:51There was no force, there was no shouting.
28:54They kept a good stance and the best game that has been played by PCB,
28:59I think credit goes to Mohsin Naqvi Sahib.
29:01The game that he played with his team is that the ICC tournaments should have let the ICC take a stand.
29:08Before this, what we used to do, we used to show off that we will do this, we will do that, we don't want to do this.
29:14I think this time they said this is your tournament, we are hosting, you have given us honor.
29:20Now tell us that we are ready.
29:22Our country is ready to play, to feed, our people are ready to see.
29:27So we request you to bring your teams who have signed with you to us.
29:33I think that was a great stand.
29:35And if they say that they don't want to come to India,
29:38then tell them that we have been going for many years,
29:41so we also have a little dignity, we also have respect.
29:44So why don't you show us a little respect,
29:47so that the next people know that the ICC should also give credit for this.
29:53I think sooner or later they have taken a good stand.
29:55So well done to PCB.
29:56And Mushtaq bhai, are you pleasantly surprised that when Jai Shah came after BCCI in ICC,
30:02then some other people thought that now the matter has become more difficult.
30:05But Jai Shah's ICC, despite being Ruh-e-Rama, it gives you a pleasant surprise?
30:13I don't think so. I think it's behind the scenes.
30:16Under the table, I think that England and Australia must have played a very positive role.
30:21Because you remember that justice is a lot in these two countries.
30:27So I think behind the scenes, they must have said that this is not fair with Pakistan.
30:32That we went to England, England came to Pakistan and played,
30:35Australia came to Pakistan and played, New Zealand came to Pakistan,
30:38all the nations played and came.
30:40So if there is no problem in Pakistan, then India should go.
30:44So I think they have been pressurized a little bit,
30:47which you won't see in the newspaper or the media.
30:51But I think other cricket boards must have definitely supported Pakistan in this.
30:55That Pakistan has been very good to India.
30:57So I think they should be given credit and their dignity should also be maintained by all of us.
31:01And Pakistan has such a team,
31:04whether it is a performance or not,
31:06but their fan followers from India to the whole world,
31:09wherever the Pakistan team plays, people come to watch their matches.
31:14So I think Pakistan has also received support from other cricket boards.
31:18Behind the scenes, I can see that.
31:20Correct. I understand that if that is the case, which looks like,
31:24then the credit goes to PCP that they handled it well.
31:26They didn't take a popular step, they didn't raise slogans,
31:28they didn't break the table by giving speeches,
31:31but they have done their job. So well done.
31:33Shahid bhai, have you spoken to your friends in India?
31:36Obviously, I am not as connected as you are,
31:40but I was getting the impression,
31:42I heard this last thing till last night,
31:44last night around 9-10 pm,
31:46that brother, they won't give it in writing,
31:48forget it, you will get it in writing,
31:50that we are fine, India is also not there.
31:53In fact, in our program,
31:54I don't take names because they are not there yet,
31:56but the Indian journalist said in our program,
31:58that why should we give it in writing?
31:59And when it comes, we will see.
32:01When India's tournament comes, we will see
32:03whether Pakistan will come or not.
32:05We will see then. This was the tone.
32:07But this did not happen.
32:10No, on Friday, we gave this news on ARY,
32:13the Indian media was saying that everything is decided
32:15and it will not be written.
32:17On Friday, I said this,
32:18we gave it in our breaking news,
32:20that all the matters have been decided,
32:22but still the confusion remains that Pakistan
32:25needs written and legally binded documents
32:28and the ICC also gave a press release
32:30and a resolution has been passed,
32:32on which all the board members have signed.
32:34So now this has become a legally binded thing
32:36and today Mohsin Naqvi Sahib said
32:38that no one can object to this,
32:40if anyone objects, then we will handle it easily.
32:44So credit to Mohsin Naqvi,
32:46as Mushtaq Bhai said, it goes to the PCB.
32:48When you sit at the table to discuss anything,
32:51then you see what the other party is doing,
32:53then you look at your options.
32:55When it was decided that India will not come,
32:57we also gave the option that you stay in Amritsar,
32:59play the match, go back to Amritsar,
33:01play the match, go back to Amritsar.
33:03We gave them a lot of options.
33:05When we saw that they were not ready to agree in any way,
33:08then Pakistan said, let's come to the table,
33:10we accept the hybrid model,
33:12but we will not come to you.
33:14The ODI World Cup will be women's,
33:16although the Pakistani team, the women's team
33:18has not yet qualified for it.
33:20The T20 World Cup of 2026 will be in Sri Lanka,
33:23if the Pakistani team reaches the semi-final,
33:25that will also be in Colombo.
33:27The India-Pakistan match will also be in Colombo.
33:29So, look at all these conditions,
33:31and then when it is decided,
33:33it will be in Sri Lanka.
33:35What happened technically?
33:37Will the host be called Pakistan
33:39if some matches of the Champions Trophy
33:41are happening outside Pakistan?
33:43Absolutely, the host is Pakistani.
33:45Pakistan has the fees for hosting rights,
33:47which is a very good fee, $65 million,
33:49will be given to Pakistan.
33:51Pakistan will also earn money from its gate money.
33:53And now the India-Pakistan match is going on,
33:55whose date has come to me.
33:57It will be on 23rd February, God willing.
33:59On 23rd February, this match will be in Colombo
34:01or in Dubai.
34:03It is better in Dubai because there
34:05the Pakistani and Indian expats
34:07will come in a very large number,
34:09then it will be a full house.
34:11In Colombo, you may not get so much
34:13crowd of Pakistan-India.
34:15The Indians will reach,
34:17but maybe the Pakistanis will not be able
34:19to reach so much.
34:21If India wants to take another good step,
34:23then two people should fly to India on Monday.
34:25Jeff Allardyce should come,
34:27who is their chief executive.
34:29And Pir should come to Lahore
34:31and announce the schedule.
34:33Because whatever the ICC event is,
34:35the schedule will be announced in the host country.
34:37Let's see.
34:39Mr. Mushtaq,
34:41as a cricket fan,
34:43it is okay that everyone wants
34:45if a population of 1.5 billion is formed,
34:47then the biggest cricket match
34:49will be lost.
34:51But the PCB was not left
34:53with any other choice.
34:55It is not possible that all the sacrifices
34:57for the benefit of cricket,
34:59we will not give.
35:01Do you also think that
35:03now that it is written,
35:05it will not be so easy
35:07that when 2025 comes,
35:09when 2026 comes,
35:11India will take a reverse gear
35:13that we will not play at our neutral venue.
35:15Will it be difficult?
35:17I think the best thing
35:19that we should give credit to the PCB,
35:21that we always say that
35:23if you do business with your brother,
35:25then adopt a Sunni way.
35:27Do it in writing.
35:29By writing,
35:31a person becomes bound.
35:33Evidence comes to you.
35:35And this solid evidence is very good.
35:37That you do not give up
35:39with your words,
35:41do not back up.
35:43So I think this is a very good decision.
35:45The PCB has communicated
35:47with other cricket boards,
35:49with the ICC,
35:51without making any noise.
35:53The most important thing
35:55in all these scenarios,
35:57I think the focus was on writing.
35:59Which India was not accepting.
36:01But as I said,
36:03due to the pressure of other cricket boards,
36:05they must have said
36:07that enough is enough.
36:09I think we should actually sign those documents.
36:11And the documents that are signed,
36:13they are very important.
36:15Legally, you have a strong case now.
36:17And your impression
36:19from here is that
36:21it was never about the Indian cricket board,
36:23but the government.
36:25Is it?
36:27I personally think
36:29as much as I know the Indian players,
36:31as much as I know the Indians,
36:33they all want to come to Pakistan.
36:35Let me tell you one thing.
36:37This is a big reality.
36:39I think politically,
36:41politics should be kept away from sports.
36:43In this, the Pakistan government
36:45should be given some credit.
36:47In every circumstance,
36:49I have also done 2-3 tours in 1994.
36:51We had a life threat.
36:53Our Pakistan team was told
36:55that if they come,
36:57we will do this to them.
36:59Even when the pitch was dug in Delhi,
37:01we still went.
37:03We did the whole tour.
37:05We played the whole season.
37:07Although security was everywhere,
37:09people gave us a lot of love.
37:11When the Indian team comes here,
37:13as you know,
37:15our Pakistani people
37:17gave them a lot of love.
37:19People want, cricketers want,
37:21even Indian cricketers want.
37:23You see, Virat Kohli has never played in Pakistan.
37:25If he plays here,
37:27how many big cricket fans he has here.
37:29I think if this political situation
37:31is taken out and these decisions are made,
37:33and if they play the tournament match
37:35without their ego,
37:37then it wouldn't have mattered.
37:39You know, I know,
37:41there is no security issue.
37:43It's just a political issue.
37:45I am not a political man,
37:47but one thing for sure,
37:49if the ego and political situation
37:51is taken out,
37:53sports is a game that wins everyone's hearts.
37:55I think India does a little mystery
37:57sometimes in this.
37:59Towards the end, Shahid bhai,
38:01you were the first one who gave the news,
38:03but like you said,
38:05I also had this impression that
38:07there was a lot of confidence that
38:09you will never get it in writing.
38:11So now that it has happened,
38:13is there a little surprise
38:15in the sports journalists there?
38:17No, there shouldn't be.
38:19They see a little way out.
38:21Since the D20 World Cup
38:23is in Sri Lanka in 2026,
38:25it won't make much difference.
38:27There will be a match between
38:29Pakistan and India,
38:31it will make a difference.
38:33The Pakistan team has not qualified yet.
38:35Yes, in 2025, India has to
38:37also hold the Asia Cup,
38:39whose television rights were sold
38:41two weeks ago.
38:43So the broadcaster said that
38:45where will be the match between
38:47India and Pakistan?
38:49So the Asian Cricket Council
38:51did not have an answer.
38:53If Pakistan boycotts it too,
38:55then there will be a problem
38:57with its television rights.
38:59And now the Indian Cricket Board
39:01has decided that this matter should not come
39:03and its broadcast rights should be sold.
39:05But it was decided that Pakistan
39:07had taken a stand on this matter
39:09and that is why it was so late
39:11that Pakistan needed everything
39:13in writing.
39:15And in 2014, when we did the matter
39:17on Big Three,
39:19their Secretary Sanjay Dagdale
39:21signed on a piece of paper
39:23which had no legal status.
39:25Pakistan also went to the
39:27Dispute Resolution Committee
39:29Right. Thank you so much, sir.
39:31Thank you very much, Mr. Ahmed.
39:33Mr. Ahmed understands.
39:35Well done, Pakistan Cricket Board.
39:37This is what I think.
39:39Thank you very much to both the guests.
39:41I will quickly move on to my next story.
39:43Yesterday, Pakistan's local representative
39:45said that the United States
39:47has imposed another restriction
39:49on Pakistan's missile program.
39:51And they have also imposed restrictions
39:53on some private and government
39:55sources that support Pakistan's missile program.
39:57Although the impression was that
39:59this is a very unusual thing
40:01that has happened for the first time
40:03in recent history, which is not the case.
40:05This has happened in recent history as well.
40:07But why did they do this?
40:09Why did a Biden administration
40:11do this a few days before he left?
40:13What impact will it have on Pakistan?
40:15He was a former ambassador
40:17in the United States of America,
40:19so of course he is very relevant.
40:21Malia Lodhi is with us,
40:23so I am grateful.
40:25He has made such a big decision
40:27about Pakistan.
40:29These decisions have already been made,
40:31but why did he do this?
40:33What do you think?
40:35Look, in the past four years
40:37of Biden's administration,
40:39six or seven times,
40:41maybe this is the seventh or sixth time
40:43that he has imposed such restrictions
40:45and sanctions
40:47on Pakistan's missile program.
40:49But you know
40:51that this is a long history
40:53that since Pakistan
40:55started its nuclear program,
40:57the United States has tried
40:59through sanctions
41:01and embargoes
41:03to somehow stop Pakistan
41:05from developing a nuclear program.
41:07And then when Pakistan
41:09became a nuclear power,
41:11even after that,
41:13pressure came from the United States
41:15that you should not develop missiles.
41:17Sometimes they said not to do short range,
41:19now they say not to do long range.
41:21This is nothing new.
41:23And before leaving,
41:25they imposed another restriction
41:27which will have no effect on us.
41:29I say that it will have
41:31zero impact on Pakistan.
41:33But it is certain that
41:35this is a unique policy of the United States.
41:37Their double standards
41:39are evident from this.
41:41Because India also has a missile program.
41:43They also have a missile program.
41:45In fact, their missile program
41:47is very advanced.
41:49They have a system
41:51for defense.
41:53They have taken it from the United States
41:55and Israel.
41:57They have developed it themselves.
41:59They have never said anything about it.
42:01Very interesting.
42:03Madam, one more thing.
42:05We have seen that in the last 48-72 hours,
42:07there have been many tweets
42:09in the name of Imran Khan
42:11that he should be released.
42:13A while ago, Richard Grinnell
42:15retweeted an account of Imran Khan.
42:17Again, Imran Khan is saying it again and again.
42:19Do you think that after January 21,
42:21the attitude of the US administration
42:23will be different
42:25towards Pakistan?
42:27Will they use this rule of law
42:29for Imran Khan's release?
42:31I think it is time
42:33to say something.
42:35First of all, when President Trump
42:37becomes president again,
42:39Pakistan is not included in his priorities.
42:41China is included in his priorities.
42:43The war in Ukraine
42:45is included in his priorities.
42:47Gaza, Middle East,
42:49Saudi Arabia, India.
42:51I don't think that Pakistan
42:53will be included in his top priorities.
42:55I think we should wait
42:57and see
42:59what will happen
43:01before we comment on it.
43:03Okay.
43:05Fair enough.
43:07But explain to me
43:09that if this is the case,
43:11which many people think
43:13so many representatives
43:15including appointed people
43:17have so many tweets.
43:19What does this tell us?
43:21The tweet was an individual
43:23action.
43:25It was not from any administration.
43:27So, I would say
43:29to wait
43:31and see
43:33what the Trump administration's
43:35policy is regarding Pakistan.
43:37Then we will comment on it.
43:39Thank you very much, Madam.
43:41Zulfi Bukhari,
43:43the leader of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf,
43:45who lobbied for America
43:47and for Trump,
43:49also said in his tweet
43:51that this should not happen.
43:53I think this is a good statement.
43:55Moving towards the end,
43:57an important news is coming.
43:59You know that the government
44:01is negotiating with Maulana Fazlur Rehman
44:03regarding the Madaris Bill.
44:05Some time ago,
44:07the Prime Minister invited
44:09Maulana Fazlur Rehman
44:11for an official confirmation
44:13with Senior Hanuman Kamran Murtaza.
44:15Huzoor, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
44:17Wa-alaikum-as-salam.
44:19Sir, are you meeting Maulana Fazlur Rehman tomorrow?
44:21Is he going to the PM House
44:23for this meeting?
44:25Yes, Inshallah.
44:27I think we will meet tomorrow.
44:29Do you think
44:31this meeting
44:33will be a final decision?
44:35Look,
44:37when we meet at this level,
44:39we can expect
44:41better results.
44:43The Prime Minister
44:45and Maulana Fazlur Rehman
44:47are there.
44:49When we meet at this level,
44:51the results are not good.
44:53Tomorrow,
44:55like in the past,
44:57is the PM going to your house
44:59or Maulana Fazlur Rehman?
45:01Tomorrow, Maulana Fazlur Rehman
45:03is going to his house.
45:05Has this happened before?
45:07Sometimes,
45:09a backdoor meeting
45:11is decided
45:13and then there is a courtesy meeting.
45:15It is not a formal meeting.
45:17It is an announcement.
45:19Has this happened before?
45:21No, no.
45:23I was not there.
45:25Okay.
45:27So, you don't have
45:29any such experience.
45:31No, no.
45:33Has Maulana Fazlur Rehman
45:35discussed with Taqi Usmani
45:37and other Ulema before this meeting?
45:39Yes.
45:41As soon as the invitation came,
45:43he contacted Taqi Usmani
45:45because he is the head
45:47of the Madrasa.
45:49He gave instructions.
45:51I don't know exactly
45:53but I think he was told
45:55to go with him.
45:57But since he is in Karachi,
45:59I don't know if he will come or not.
46:01But he contacted Taqi Usmani
46:03to meet him.
46:05And do you think
46:07that as you said,
46:09the level of tension
46:11is increasing.
46:13You said that
46:15the level of tension
46:17is increasing.
46:19Do you have any reason
46:21to believe that
46:23the level of tension
46:25will decrease
46:27after tomorrow's meeting?
46:29I invited him
46:31but he couldn't meet me.
46:33He was in D.I. Khan.
46:35He was invited to dinner.
46:37I think Maulana
46:39apologized.
46:41If he invites me again
46:43in a week or ten days,
46:45I think it will be better.
46:47Right.
46:49And any hesitation?
46:51Now that the Prime Minister
46:53has called himself,
46:55is there any hesitation
46:57to meet him again?
46:59Some people
47:01think that
47:03they can be flexible
47:05after the meeting.
47:07But now,
47:09there is no hesitation.
47:11When people are meeting
47:13at the maximum level,
47:15then anything
47:17can happen.
47:19At my level,
47:21I don't think
47:23we will be flexible.
47:25I hope that
47:27Allah will make
47:29everything better
47:31for the country.
47:33And you hope that
47:35this problem will be solved
47:37in Aywan.
47:39Yes.
47:41Thank you very much
47:43Mr. Kamran Murtaza
47:45for talking to us.
47:47Tomorrow,
47:49Maulana Fakdur Rehman
47:51is going to meet
47:53the Prime Minister.
47:55Stay healthy.
47:57Until then, Allah Hafiz.