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Host:
- Muhammad Malick
Guests:
- Faisal Chaudhry (PTI Lawyer)
- Bilal Azhar Kayani PMLN
- Maulana Hafiz Hamdullah Saboor JUIF
- Taimur Khan Jhagra PTI
Fall of Dhaka and APS carnage - Mohammad Malick's Analysis
Shah Mehmood Qureshi Nay Imran Khan Say Kya Shikway Kiye? - Faisal Chaudhry Told
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Host:
- Muhammad Malick
Guests:
- Faisal Chaudhry (PTI Lawyer)
- Bilal Azhar Kayani PMLN
- Maulana Hafiz Hamdullah Saboor JUIF
- Taimur Khan Jhagra PTI
Fall of Dhaka and APS carnage - Mohammad Malick's Analysis
Shah Mehmood Qureshi Nay Imran Khan Say Kya Shikway Kiye? - Faisal Chaudhry Told
Mohammad Malick Breaks Big News Regarding Negotiation Between PTI and Govt
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya, I am Muhammad Malik.
00:17Today is a very historic day in the history of Pakistan.
00:2153 years ago, Pakistan was divided into two parts.
00:24Bangladesh was formed.
00:25Some blame the politicians, some blame the army.
00:29But the reality is that the biggest Muslim government by a country was broken.
00:35Unfortunately, yesterday and today, I asked 10-15 children,
00:41what happened on December 16, 1971.
00:44Believe me, no one knew.
00:47This is something that is far from our history.
00:51We don't even remember the history.
00:53Then in 2014, which was the second year of the Army Public School,
00:57about 144 people were martyred.
01:01133 children, their principals, teachers, everything was a very cruel act.
01:06And after that, the whole nation felt that a time had come.
01:09Then we heard big things.
01:11We heard that the National Action Plan was also made.
01:13Then we heard that the whole country had gathered.
01:15And now no one will get a place in this country.
01:19Today, we see in the same country that once again terrorism is raising its head a lot.
01:23KP is in a very bad state.
01:25Balochistan is in a very bad state.
01:27What have we learned from them?
01:29Forget the rest, their families are still asking for answers to questions.
01:35A person like Ehsanullah Ehsan, who was also a spokesman for the Taliban,
01:39he also conveniently disappeared from the custody.
01:42Later it was found that he was with his family in Turkey.
01:45I asked a former army chief,
01:47what did you do, such a big thing,
01:49the same Ehsanullah Ehsan who later gave congratulations
01:52and took the children to be martyred.
01:54He told me that the brigadier who was appointed to protect him,
01:59his employer's career was ruined.
02:02What does it mean to ruin a career?
02:04He didn't become a general, he didn't become anything.
02:06He should have been hanged.
02:08Then families are still asking for justice.
02:10Today, there are many questions.
02:11The Supreme Court took a big action on this.
02:16Then an Inquiry Commission was formed in 2018.
02:18There are only dates on dates and talks on talks.
02:21And I have heard that in the last investigation,
02:24there was no meeting after that in 2022.
02:27The pain of parents is still the same.
02:30What have we learned?
02:32After APS, did we see anything change in our policies?
02:37Did we learn anything after the silence of Dhaka?
02:40It seems we didn't learn anything.
02:41I will give you a small example.
02:43When the APS incident happened,
02:44the National Action Plan was made.
02:46A committee was formed on hate speech.
02:51Incidentally, I was also a member of it.
02:54I read in the newspaper one day that
02:55he has made a report of recommendations.
02:58I said, maybe I missed the meeting.
03:01I called 4-5 other members.
03:03I said, you went to this meeting.
03:05No one knew anything.
03:07When that meeting took place,
03:09there was no such meeting.
03:10And a paper was also made on it.
03:12And we are seeing the result today.
03:14I am one of those unfortunate people
03:17who reached Peshawar after a few hours.
03:20I have seen those corpses.
03:22I have seen the corpses of those children.
03:24Even today, I can smell the blood.
03:26And the smell of gunpowder there,
03:29the smell of blood, everything.
03:32And believe me, I couldn't sleep for many days.
03:35What have we learned from it?
03:38It seems that nothing.
03:40We have seen speeches today.
03:41Prime Minister's speech was also mentioned.
03:43Prime Minister's speech was also mentioned.
03:45President's speech was also mentioned.
03:46There are many other speeches.
03:48But on the ground, nothing is happening.
03:51We have become such an unfortunate nation.
03:52We have become a despicable nation.
03:54When the foundation breaks, we forget.
03:56Our children's corpses are lying in the rooms.
03:59So we forget them too.
04:01We didn't forget their parents.
04:03We didn't forget their family members.
04:04Nations are not formed like this.
04:06Nations are destroyed like this.
04:07They are not formed.
04:08Anyway, in 2014,
04:10I made a tribute for these children.
04:13I am starting today's program from there.
04:15And I want you to share this moment with me.
04:20And we hope that the people in power,
04:23whether they are in the civil or in the army,
04:26may God understand the pain of these children
04:29in front of their seats.
04:31And may God understand the pain of their parents.
04:33And may God understand the pain of this country.
04:35You can watch this first.
04:36Then we will start our program.
04:37We will talk about politics.
04:39We will talk about everything.
04:40But for a few minutes,
04:42I want us to remember our children.
04:45If they were alive today,
04:47they would have been young.
04:49But their parents,
04:50those children did not grow up.
04:52But their parents grew old very quickly.
05:07When your childhood begins to feel like a drop in your lap,
05:18when the life of a mother begins to fear coming out of her womb,
05:24understand that something is wrong.
05:27When the swords begin to attack the flowers,
05:31when fear begins to be seen in the innocent eyes,
05:35understand that something is wrong.
05:38When the drops of thirst do not settle on the palms,
05:42but on the tips of the palms,
05:45when the tiny drops pass through the fire,
05:49understand that something is wrong.
05:52When the crickets become silent,
05:55when the parrots become silent,
05:58understand that something is wrong.
06:00Nothing is wrong, but something is very wrong.
06:03Because it should have rained heavily all over the world.
06:08Tears should have fallen everywhere.
06:12God should have cried from the sky.
06:17Human civilization should have bowed down in shame.
06:24It is not mourning,
06:25it is time to think.
06:27It is not mourning,
06:28it is time to ask questions.
06:31If a person can still stand with his head held high,
06:37understand that something is wrong.
06:45A lot is wrong.
06:47This was yesterday's Pakistan.
06:50Let's come back to today's Pakistan.
06:52Let's talk about the power games.
06:55The issue with Imran Khan was still going on.
06:58His call should have been effective.
07:01Now it is being said that the call has been delayed.
07:05Before that, his Chief Minister, KPK,
07:08gave a lot of smokey speeches.
07:10Now he is talking about bringing weapons.
07:12But he also says that there is a lot of confusion.
07:14Today he was not even allowed to meet.
07:17All this is going on in its place.
07:19Now see where the matter will go further.
07:21Maulana's Madrasa Bill fight is going on.
07:24Earlier it was said that a joint session is taking place.
07:26A few hours ago, it was announced that
07:29a joint session has also been called.
07:31So clearly those things could not be decided.
07:33When we talk to them off the record,
07:35the government says that we have decided.
07:38We will give them what they are asking for
07:41to the extent of Islamabad.
07:43This is our domain.
07:44We cannot legislate for provinces.
07:47So that anger is in its place.
07:49Let's see what happens next.
07:51Today, Shah Mahmood met with Imran Khan.
07:55He had come for his case.
07:56I heard that he was very angry.
07:58He beat his party leaders very badly.
08:01He said that neither do they respect us
08:02nor do they come and meet us.
08:03And he said very harsh things about them.
08:06And now it is expected that tomorrow,
08:09Mr. Khan is expecting that
08:10it has been 500 days since they met.
08:12So he has made a very strong statement on it today as well.
08:15And he said that in D-Chowk,
08:16the present-day General Dyer
08:18shot unauthorized bullets at unarmed civilians
08:20while enslaving the nation.
08:23We will never forget this incident.
08:25We will bring justice to our workers.
08:27And he said, first of all,
08:29you don't have to worry.
08:30He said, I am ready to spend my entire life in jail.
08:33But I will never bow down in front of Waqf-e-Jadid.
08:36So his same temperament is going on.
08:39The same thing is going on.
08:40Things are going on.
08:41And after introducing the guest in the program,
08:44I will also share the news with you
08:46that the Supreme Leader of Pakistan
08:49has made a decision about Imran Khan.
08:51We are joined by Bilal Kiani,
08:53Senior Leader PMLN and MNA.
08:55Assistant Secretary General PMLN is also here.
08:57Thank you very much, Bilal.
08:59Hafiz Abdullah has joined us.
09:01He is the Senior Leader of JUF.
09:03Hamid Aimoor Jhagra has also joined us.
09:05He is the Senior Leader of PTI.
09:06He is the former Finance and Health Minister of KPK.
09:09But with your permission,
09:11I would like to take a quick two-minute beeper.
09:13We have met with Professor Chaudhary,
09:15who is the lawyer of Imran Khan.
09:18Assalam-o-Alaikum, Faisal.
09:20Yes, Assalam-o-Alaikum, Malik.
09:22You have told me two things.
09:23First, I have heard that
09:24Shah Mehmood has made a lot of noise there.
09:26He said that the leaders of PTI
09:28have appointed jokers.
09:30A friend of mine was telling me
09:32that you have appointed jokers.
09:36Neither do they meet nor do they know
09:38what to do and neither are they
09:40talking to us nor are they discussing.
09:42And secondly, we are also hearing
09:44that perhaps Imran Khan will announce
09:46tomorrow that the movement
09:48of civil disobedience has been postponed.
09:51We have met with Malik Shah Mehmood.
09:54We have met with Imran Khan in great detail.
09:57I cannot confirm that
09:59such words have been said or not.
10:01But obviously,
10:03you know that when Shah Mehmood
10:05first came to ATC,
10:07he also complained about this.
10:09He had also done this before.
10:11And I think that his complaint
10:13is about being a senior leader.
10:15He is a vice chairman of PTI.
10:17So, people should meet him.
10:19And the party leadership
10:21which is present at the moment,
10:23they should take out time
10:25from their busy schedule.
10:27And the incarcerated senior leaders
10:29their respect and courtesy
10:31is also demanded.
10:33That is my personal opinion.
10:35They should definitely go
10:37and take guidelines from them.
10:39Whether it is Shah Mehmood,
10:41Jagjit Jha, Yasmin Ashid,
10:43Umar Shafa Seema,
10:45or Mahmood Rasheed,
10:47if they meet them,
10:49it will be a better
10:51consultation.
10:53And people should benefit
10:55from their experiences.
10:57Sacrifices should be made for the party.
10:59Imran Khan
11:01has also been
11:03making sacrifices in jail for a long time.
11:05His family,
11:07his wife,
11:09his sisters,
11:11his wife has taken out
11:13very tough sentences.
11:15His sisters
11:17have also taken out
11:19very tough sentences.
11:21So, if this leadership
11:23goes there,
11:25I think it will increase the rank.
11:27So, one thing is that
11:29the conversation between
11:31Shah Mehmood Qureshi and Imran Khan
11:33will continue for a long time.
11:35And if they are political people,
11:37their political discussion will continue.
11:39As far as
11:41the second limb of your question
11:43is concerned,
11:45Mahmood Khan
11:47and other people's
11:49opinions were
11:51debated.
11:53They said that
11:55Mahmood Khan
11:57and other people's opinions
11:59are very important.
12:01They said that they will
12:03consider it and
12:05announce their actions tomorrow.
12:07They will also
12:09make it clear.
12:11Today, there is a lot of
12:13interaction with the media.
12:15They could not
12:17interact with the media.
12:19Have they
12:21categorically said that
12:23they will postpone it tomorrow?
12:25Or have they said that they will
12:27announce their actions tomorrow?
12:29No, they said
12:31that they will
12:33announce their actions tomorrow.
12:35You see,
12:37Imran Khan is in jail.
12:39Normally,
12:41our people ignore the fact that
12:43there is a limited flow of
12:45information.
12:47Normally, not many people
12:49meet him.
12:51His access to the non-political party
12:53has been stopped for three months.
12:55He could not meet his party friends.
12:57He was not even allowed to meet
12:59Ali Amin today.
13:01You will have to allow
13:03that he is not sitting
13:05in his drying room in Banigala.
13:07People expect that
13:09the freedom that I have
13:11to discuss with you
13:13is not available to them.
13:17So, you are saying that
13:19they will announce their actions tomorrow.
13:21Yes, they will
13:23announce it tomorrow.
13:25This chaos is a fear factor
13:27because the government
13:29is its beneficiary.
13:31They have an adipose sphere.
13:33That is why they do not allow it to decrease.
13:35The government
13:37immediately starts
13:39sabotaging.
13:41Mr. Gaddapur was
13:43talking about the dead bodies.
13:45You were saying that you will bring
13:47the issue and see who will stop it.
13:49Your chief minister, KP,
13:51will do the sabotage.
13:53Mr. Gaddapur,
13:55the dead bodies that have been
13:57taken from here to Punjab and
13:59Balochistan, they should also be
14:01mentioned.
14:03Thank you very much
14:05for your time.
14:34We will leave after tying the shroud.
14:36The meaning of the final call is
14:38to inform everyone at home.
14:40This is my message to my family.
14:42When I leave,
14:44if I don't come back,
14:46understand that I won't come back.
14:48We will leave for freedom.
14:50We will leave for this nation.
14:52No matter what happens,
14:54we will leave with the shroud on our heads.
14:56This will be the final call.
14:58Until we get this right,
15:00no one will come back.
15:02When will you come back?
15:04We will leave.
15:06We will leave for freedom.
15:08We won't come back without freedom.
15:10I, Ali Amin Khan,
15:12swear to God
15:14that the call that
15:16Imran Khan will give me
15:18in the month of November,
15:20it will be a final call.
15:22Even if I lose my life,
15:24even if I lose everything,
15:26until the time I
15:28get Imran Khan released,
15:30I won't come back.
15:32I won't come back to my home.
15:34Until I get my freedom,
15:36this war will continue.
15:38I swear that
15:40until I break the mountains of Kabul,
15:42even if I die,
15:44even if I die,
15:46get ready.
15:48Next time, I won't talk about peace.
15:50Imran Khan, for God's sake,
15:52stop talking about peace.
15:54I will leave.
15:56I will leave without talking about peace.
15:58To save the lives of our people,
16:00we have to stop them.
16:02Then we will leave with a weapon.
16:04Then we will show who is running.
16:06You won't be able to see
16:08how powerful this weapon is.
16:10I am giving you a clear message.
16:12You will have to answer
16:14why did you fire the bullet?
16:16Who fired the bullet?
16:18Why did you fire?
16:20On whose orders did you fire?
16:22You will have to answer.
16:24We will not leave you.
16:26They always give an excuse
16:28to the government
16:30not to negotiate.
16:32Earlier, they used to say that
16:34there will be funerals.
16:36Now they say that
16:38we will leave with a weapon
16:40and we will fire a bullet.
16:42They put the government on a plate
16:44and say that you are coming to attack.
16:46Why should we talk to you?
16:48Are they on the government's side?
16:50I don't see any benefit
16:52from their statements.
16:54Mr. Malik,
16:56let me give
16:58a serious answer.
17:00This is a very serious question.
17:02I am not saying it in jest.
17:04I mean it.
17:06You talk about negotiation.
17:08Your KP chief says
17:10that we will come with a weapon
17:12and fire a bullet.
17:14The government says that
17:16they are coming to attack.
17:18Why should we talk to them?
17:20First of all,
17:22we cannot agree with
17:24their statements.
17:26There is no doubt about it.
17:28As far as
17:30call to arms
17:32is concerned,
17:34they can come from any side.
17:36Secondly,
17:38you have used
17:40some statements
17:42of Ali Khan's CM.
17:44Unfortunately,
17:46they are part of
17:48our political rhetoric.
17:50They have been
17:52more sensible
17:54than me.
17:56As a matter of fact,
17:58they have been
18:00more sensible
18:02than me.
18:04They have been
18:06in contact
18:08with the government
18:10in Islamabad
18:12including
18:14my friend Bilal Kiani.
18:16He has often praised them
18:18for being sensible.
18:20Which is why I agree
18:22that such statements
18:24should not be given to anyone.
18:26Is this a story about
18:28Jekyll and Hyde?
18:30Is it a split personality?
18:32Is there a different personality
18:34in Islamabad and Peshawar?
18:36Please explain to us.
18:38Mr. Bilal Kiani is a smart man.
18:40He will not tell us half of the story.
18:42Please explain to us
18:44if it is a split personality
18:46in Islamabad and Peshawar.
18:48Unfortunately,
18:50they are part of
18:52our political rhetoric.
18:54They have been
18:56more sensible than me.
18:58On the record,
19:00PTI was
19:02a peaceful party.
19:04It will always be.
19:06This is too serious
19:08a matter.
19:10The people who
19:12were killed
19:14by PTI
19:16yesterday
19:18were sitting
19:20in a meeting
19:22and were not allowed
19:24to report on TV.
19:26When the government
19:28denies it
19:30and we focus on
19:32PTI's selected statements,
19:34we are
19:36doing injustice
19:38to the common Pakistani.
19:40You ran a great segment
19:42on the debacle of
19:44December 16 and
19:46the APS debacle.
19:48It shows us
19:50that we do not learn from history.
19:52Let me ask
19:54Mr. Bilal Kiani
19:56that he is saying
19:58that we do good things in Islamabad.
20:00Then why do you run away
20:02from discussions?
20:04Thank you for inviting me.
20:06First of all,
20:08you have
20:10run a very
20:12sad and
20:14sad package.
20:16It is the 10th
20:18anniversary of
20:20which 132 children
20:22were martyred.
20:24147 children died that day.
20:26We should remember
20:28this day every year.
20:30These were our own children.
20:32I am the father of a 7-year-old
20:34and a 10-year-old.
20:36I cannot even imagine
20:38the pain
20:40that these parents
20:42went through.
20:44I saw the bodies.
20:46You cannot get them out of your mind.
20:48I can only imagine.
20:50You are right.
20:52These children died young
20:54but their parents
20:56must have become old very soon.
20:58May Allah save everyone
21:00from this situation.
21:02There is no greater test in the world
21:04that you have to bury your children.
21:06May Allah protect us
21:08from this kind of situation.
21:10Unfortunately,
21:12terrorism has taken over again.
21:14Do you remember
21:16that within 7-8 days,
21:18Nawaz Sharif led the national action plan
21:20and invited all the parties.
21:22There were clear operations
21:24in Karachi.
21:26Terrorism was controlled
21:28to a large extent.
21:30It ended in 2018.
21:32It was different from
21:34what it was before.
21:36Unfortunately,
21:38I don't want to go into the details.
21:40After that,
21:42there were talks and negotiations
21:44with the terrorists.
21:46In my opinion,
21:48this is the reason
21:50that terrorism is taking over again.
21:52In the last few months,
21:54we have seen that other
21:56law enforcement agencies
21:58have bravely fought
22:00against terrorism
22:02in Karachi.
22:04Mr. Malik,
22:06I would like to appreciate
22:08what Mr. Jagda said
22:10in the beginning
22:12about the call to arms.
22:14He said that
22:16it is wrong to do anything.
22:18I would like to appreciate
22:20that he said that.
22:22Secondly,
22:24I have seen
22:26a meeting about smuggling
22:28in Apex.
22:30There were other meetings
22:32where Mr. Gandapur
22:34spoke as CMKP.
22:36The PM gave due respect
22:38to all the ministers.
22:40On a serious national issue,
22:42whether it was smuggling,
22:44electricity theft,
22:46terrorism,
22:48there should be a serious meeting.
22:50Unfortunately,
22:52Mr. Jagda's position is difficult.
22:54I understand that he has to justify this.
22:56How does one justify it?
22:58It is not right to say
23:00that this political rhetoric
23:02has become a part of our politics.
23:04No other PM is saying such things.
23:06No other person who is close
23:08to such a position
23:10can even think of saying such things.
23:12Even one such statement
23:14is unacceptable
23:16of a person who is the PM
23:18of any province.
23:20Unfortunately,
23:22it has become a routine.
23:24It is not just about
23:26smuggling.
23:28Mr. Gandapur
23:30has said that
23:32there is no clarity.
23:34Mr. Imran Khan
23:36has said that
23:38he does not know
23:40how to deal with
23:42civil disobedience.
23:44There is no clarity.
23:46I do not understand this.
23:48Please play it.
23:50Mr. Khan
23:52has announced that
23:54there is no clarity.
23:56We are waiting for clarity.
23:58We will play it when there is clarity.
24:00The date will be announced later.
24:02It was on 13th.
24:04Now it is 15th.
24:06Mr. Khan changed it
24:083-4 days ago.
24:10Obviously, it will be announced later.
24:12It is Mr. Khan's decision.
24:14It is Mr. Khan's decision
24:16to announce the date.
24:18It is Mr. Khan's decision
24:20to announce the date.
24:22We wanted to start
24:24the civil disobedience campaign.
24:26If the campaign did not start today,
24:28the main reason was that
24:30the MZKR committee was formed.
24:32We wanted the MZKR
24:34to start with the government.
24:36It did not start.
24:38The next announcement will be
24:40about how civil disobedience
24:42can start.
24:44I will come back to
24:46the confusion of PTI.
24:48He said that there was
24:50terrorism.
24:52You are a part of it.
24:54You did not see
24:56terrorism in person.
24:58Terrorism has increased
25:00again in AKP.
25:02Is there more blame
25:04on PTI's government?
25:06Why did it increase?
25:08They said that they called people
25:10and settled 5000 people.
25:12They said that they called people
25:14and settled 5000 people.
25:16We did not settle anyone.
25:18We did not settle anyone.
25:20A former army chief said that
25:22they did not bring people.
25:24A former army chief said that
25:26they did not bring people.
25:28Tell me, have they settled
25:30their families?
25:32How much part is there
25:34in PTI's terrorism?
25:36in PTI's terrorism?
25:38Thank you very much.
25:40It is my turn.
25:42It is my turn.
25:44It is my turn.
25:46Let us talk about guns,
25:48funerals and bullets.
25:50First I should put the attitude
25:52of Jamiatul Ulema of Allah
26:06In 1911,
26:08Jamiatul Ulema's base
26:10was at Jamiatul Ulema.
26:12Before this
26:14Before that, the Jamiat or the group that laid the foundation for the Jamaat,
26:18they kept doing political activism against the British.
26:21But they laid the foundation for the Jamiat-e-Ulema-e-Islam
26:24that after today we will fight in a democratic manner.
26:27This means that the Jamiat-e-Ulema-e-Islam is not a religiously-based Jamaat.
26:32The Jamiat-e-Ulema-e-Islam is not an ideology-based Jamaat.
26:35It is not a language-based Jamaat.
26:37In fact, what is the Jamiat-e-Ulema-e-Islam?
26:39Its motto is that it is a human-based Jamaat.
26:42Why is it a human-based Jamaat?
26:44I, you, Bilal bhai, all of us believe in the Prophet Muhammad, don't we?
26:48We do.
26:49He was not for a single nation.
26:51He was for all of humanity.
26:53Therefore, when I talk about Islam, I am talking about humanity.
26:57This is a human-based Jamaat, the Jamiat-e-Ulema-e-Islam.
26:59This is a Muslim-based Jamaat.
27:01This is a democracy-based Jamaat.
27:02This is a law-based Jamaat.
27:03This is a constitution-based Jamaat.
27:04This is a justice-based Jamaat.
27:05This is a unity-based Jamaat.
27:07And this is a Jamaat that talks about the power of evidence.
27:10Now, where did all the weapons, bullets and funerals come from?
27:13A democracy and a political Jamaat.
27:15This is why I say, and I comment on this, that there are four branches of Pakistan.
27:21The head of one of the branches says that he will come with bullets and weapons.
27:26What kind of politics is this?
27:28This politics is causing the biggest loss to his party.
27:32He says that when our people are killed, then our rights are at stake.
27:37Who said that the government has done the right thing by firing the bullets?
27:42When you talk about the politics of the bullets,
27:45then what is the difference between you and the government?
27:48According to you.
27:50This is why I say that the politics of Pakistan and the democracy of Pakistan cannot be included in this.
27:57You talked about the 71st Saniha.
27:59You talked about the APS.
28:01These young people do not know what the 71st Saniha is.
28:04They do not know this.
28:06Why is this?
28:07The reason is that we do not teach our young people about the past.
28:11What are the successes and failures in the past?
28:14What was the role of failure and what was the role of success?
28:18We do not make this clear.
28:20Therefore, we have kept it in the hearts of our young people.
28:23Forget history, we pray five times a day.
28:26Let me tell you one thing.
28:28We pray five times a day.
28:30I am saying something very good.
28:32We pray five times a day.
28:34This means that after every four hours, we are responsible for our prayers.
28:40You tell me.
28:42Pakistan has very big names.
28:44There are very big names in our cricket.
28:46If you ask them how many rak'ahs of Zuhr and Isha prayers are there,
28:51they do not know.
28:53So when they do not know this, how will they know the history of the 71st Saniha?
28:57If you ask me, what is this terrorism?
28:59Has it brought people and settled them?
29:01You come to this point.
29:03This is your question.
29:05This is the question of the whole nation.
29:07We did Radd-ul-Fasad.
29:09We did Zarb-e-Azab.
29:11We did a lot of operations.
29:13And in this entire war against terrorism,
29:16120-150 billion dollars were lost economically.
29:21More than 100,000 people,
29:23the forces, the people were all martyred.
29:27No community was safe from it.
29:29So why is this terrorism not ending?
29:31Why is this peace not improving?
29:33And then you said that terrorism has ended.
29:37A friend of the government came to Afghanistan.
29:39Who went from here?
29:41Two cups of tea are very famous there.
29:44A cup of Abinandan and a cup of General Faiz.
29:47Didn't Imran Khan himself say that
29:50we brought 45,000 students and settled the Taliban here?
29:54The family was so big.
29:56Now who is responsible for this?
29:58This is clear.
29:59Who is responsible for this?
30:01We will talk about this after the break.
30:03I will also share the news with you.
30:05At the highest level of power here,
30:07what has been decided on the talks?
30:10What will happen to Imran Khan?
30:12When will it happen?
30:13I will give you the news of Insight after the break.
30:15Stay with us.
30:20Welcome back to the show.
30:22I will share the news with you
30:24because it is very relevant to the discussion.
30:27At the highest level of power decisions,
30:31it has been decided that
30:33there will be no dialogue with Imran Khan
30:36until the decision is made
30:38on the case of Onkia in May 9.
30:43And this decision is yet to be made
30:46whether the case will be allowed in the civil court
30:49or in the military court.
30:51Either way, it has been decided
30:53that whether the PTI is right or wrong,
30:56no dialogue will be made
30:58until the decision is made
31:00on the case of Onkia in May 9.
31:03I am talking about Imran Khan.
31:05I am not talking about the second tier or the first tier.
31:08I am talking about Imran Khan's future.
31:10And after that, the decision will be made
31:12on the negotiations or not.
31:14This is why I am coming to you, Mr. Taimoor.
31:17If it has been decided that
31:19there will be no dialogue,
31:21and the government is giving excuses to its own people.
31:24You have also agreed,
31:25Bilal has also agreed,
31:26everyone has agreed,
31:27when you yourself say that
31:28you will bring the case,
31:29you will file a case,
31:30then they will get a solid justification
31:32as to how to talk to them.
31:33Like today, Irfan Siddiqui has also said
31:35that Imran Khan's case is a case of Shikila Fridi.
31:38That person is in prison.
31:40So now things have started to be linked to him.
31:43If it has been decided that
31:45there will be no dialogue,
31:47and there will be a dialogue later
31:49when the decisions on the 9th will be made,
31:51then what will the party do?
31:53We have seen a lot of confusion in the last few days.
31:55I just told you, I also told Mr. Gandapur
31:57that the civil disobedience campaign has been announced,
31:59but there is no clarity.
32:00If we meet, we will ask.
32:02Now we are getting the idea
32:04that maybe this will also be postponed.
32:07What options does PTI have now?
32:11Mr. Malik, what you are saying,
32:14if that decision has been made,
32:16then we really have not learned anything from history.
32:19Neither did we learn anything from the 1971 incidents,
32:22nor did we learn anything from the APS.
32:24And frankly, if this decision has been made,
32:30then I think that whoever is making the decision,
32:34they should be aware of the political dynamics of any country,
32:38certainly not of Pakistan.
32:41Because here these decisions remain
32:44until the next minute,
32:46until these decisions are changed.
32:49So we saw this in 1971 too.
32:53Before that,
32:55when these decisions were made against specific leaders,
32:58then see.
33:00The Agartala conspiracy case,
33:03that same Mujeeb-ur-Rehman,
33:05which was done by Ayub Khan,
33:07Ayub Khan withdrew it.
33:09The Hyderabad conspiracy case,
33:12which was done by Wali Khan and Mufti Mehmood,
33:15maybe they were there or not,
33:17maybe Hafiz Sahib knows better,
33:19but almost all the mainstream opposition leadership,
33:22was done by the state of Pakistan against it,
33:25and then it was postponed.
33:28The hijacking case,
33:31in which Nawaz Sharif was sentenced to life imprisonment or death,
33:35which I don't remember,
33:37that was done,
33:38and at that time,
33:39it didn't seem like a more serious and black and white decision.
33:42And it was withdrawn.
33:44And see,
33:45when the red carpet was laid for Nawaz Sharif,
33:49to come from London as a convict,
33:52that too was a decision of some court.
33:55But today,
33:56Sheikh Rishi Sahib also said something.
33:58I want you to listen to it.
33:59I will include all three of you in the comment section.
34:01Listen to what Sheikh Rishi Sahib said.
34:04Sheikh Rishi Sahib said,
34:19Do you agree with his assessment?
34:22No, I don't agree because
34:26we have put ourselves in a zero-sum position
34:31and we have made such a loose situation a reality.
34:38There is no need for this.
34:40I will come back to this,
34:43that if we want to learn,
34:46then if you look at the events in Bangladesh,
34:51it could have been a very unethical practice.
34:55Just because we didn't stick to our decision again and again,
35:00the difference here is that
35:02this country is geographically integrated.
35:06Everyone here knows for example,
35:09I think if someone wants to do a military trial of Imran Khan,
35:13the whole world knows that it is illegal.
35:16But it will not harm Imran Khan.
35:19Imran Khan is in jail.
35:22If the Supreme Court says it is legal,
35:24then it will be legal.
35:25It will be legal.
35:27But with the excuse of the Supreme Court,
35:31the status after the 26th amendment,
35:35it is the same thing that
35:37Bhutto Sahib's murder or his execution,
35:41if the Supreme Court had done it,
35:43then it would have been legal.
35:44But 50 years later, they made it legal.
35:47Okay, let's talk about this.
35:49I had to take an urgent break.
35:51Some technical issues are coming up.
35:53After that, let's talk further.
35:56If there are no negotiations,
35:58then what will happen?
35:59Let's take a break.
36:06Welcome back to the show.
36:07Sorry for the technical glitch.
36:09Have you been forbidden from
36:11having a dialogue with the Congress?
36:14Or is it your own decision that
36:16you have become so arrogant that
36:17we have won, we have broken the protest,
36:19we have imprisoned people,
36:20we have controlled the Supreme Court,
36:22we have done everything.
36:23Now you don't want to talk?
36:24Ultimately, we have to talk.
36:26The later it is, the worse it is.
36:28No, Mr. Malik, the thing is,
36:30do you remember what happened
36:32when the PTI and the PDM
36:34were sitting for the election date?
36:36You saw the PTI inviting us
36:38on a non-controversial issue
36:40like Palestine this year.
36:42What did they do with that invitation?
36:44A week or 10 days ago,
36:45the governor of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
36:47called an all-party conference
36:49of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
36:50on a law and order situation.
36:52The PTI didn't listen to it.
36:53No, Mr. Malik, they said that
36:54the provincial government
36:55has completely failed.
36:56Now I am calling an all-party conference.
36:57First, you called an all-party conference.
36:59No, but you…
37:00Let's go.
37:01Let's go.
37:02You say here,
37:03you tell us that
37:04you have gone to bed, etc.
37:06If you really are so democratic,
37:08the reality is that
37:09it has nothing to do with democracy.
37:11When we used to say this before,
37:13we used to say that
37:14if we talk,
37:15we will only talk to the establishment.
37:16Now it has happened that
37:17the only thing is that
37:18Imran Khan's conviction
37:19is visible in front of him.
37:21In the 9th May,
37:22in the case of £190 million,
37:24first he tried to hold his throat,
37:25now he is trying to stand on his feet.
37:27But, having said this,
37:28because we are a political democratic community,
37:31on many issues,
37:32in the last three decades,
37:33with the JUIF,
37:34sometimes with the opposition,
37:35sometimes with the People's Party…
37:37You are talking about the JUIF now.
37:39No, no, sir, allow me.
37:40No, no, allow me, allow me.
37:41Look, look, I am telling you…
37:42After showing the bill,
37:43after passing the 26th amendment,
37:44you have joined hands with them.
37:45No, sir, I am telling you,
37:46I want to tell you that
37:47even in the most difficult situations,
37:49the rest of the communities have the capability
37:51to sit down and talk
37:52and find a serious solution.
37:54The PTI has never shown this capability.
37:56So, the decision has been made
37:57not to talk to them.
37:58If you say that Imran Khan's conviction
38:00is going to be visible in front of him,
38:01let Imran Khan go,
38:02this is not possible.
38:03Yes, you have talked about terrorism,
38:04you have talked about economy,
38:05where there is a policy rate…
38:06So, basically,
38:07you don't want to talk about PTI issues.
38:08No, you make it clear
38:09what you want to talk about.
38:10You should approach the government.
38:11But, at the same time,
38:12if you say that
38:13we will come this time with weapons
38:14and Imran Khan sir
38:15will talk harshly inside,
38:17that yes,
38:18I didn't send him to talk
38:19when people are talking outside.
38:20So, it is proving that
38:21you are serious.
38:22Imran Khan sir,
38:23he is as true as he is saying.
38:24You have not been bitten by him yet.
38:26Look, the thing is that
38:27my brother, Bilal bhai,
38:29we have been together in PDM.
38:31Your brother, Yusuf,
38:32is also a very famous brother.
38:33Yes.
38:35The thing is that
38:36Mohammad Malik sir,
38:38has a team
38:39called Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
38:42And the government
38:43considers itself as a team.
38:44Whatever they say.
38:45I say that
38:47the government
38:48does not have the right
38:49to negotiate.
38:50It does not.
38:51It does not have the right.
38:52Absolutely.
38:53I say this directly.
38:54The government cannot say
38:55directly that
38:56I do not have the right
38:57to negotiate.
38:58This would be a very
38:59shameful thing.
39:00I can assure you,
39:01one hundred percent
39:02I can assure you
39:03that the government
39:04does not have the right
39:05to negotiate
39:06with Imran Khan
39:07and Imran Khan's party
39:08not even one percent
39:09of the power.
39:10So, the PTA people
39:11are right.
39:12We should talk to those
39:13who have the power.
39:14Look, when we were in PDM,
39:15Bilal Sahib,
39:16we were all in PDM.
39:17Why didn't we talk
39:18to Imran Khan?
39:20You did not have the power?
39:21No, Imran Khan
39:22did not have the power.
39:25Now, the power of PTA
39:26is with the person
39:27who is in jail.
39:29Look, now Gandapur
39:30is saying something.
39:32The leadership outside
39:33is saying something.
39:34The other one
39:35is saying something else.
39:36When they meet
39:37outside,
39:38they say one thing.
39:39The other one,
39:40when they meet
39:41the next day,
39:42they say something else.
39:43The topic is the same.
39:44Each one is different.
39:45Now, the question is
39:46where is the power?
39:48I can say here
39:49and there as well.
39:50You also know
39:51that the leadership
39:52of the PTA
39:53does not have the power.
39:54They have to ask
39:55Imran Khan for everything.
39:57I am saying
39:58that the government
39:59does not have the power
40:00to negotiate.
40:01This is the first time.
40:02Okay,
40:03the last two minutes
40:04I have to take
40:05an answer from them
40:06and from Taimoor as well.
40:07Tell us your problem.
40:08Is your problem
40:09being solved
40:10or are you just
40:11coming on the streets?
40:12Look, listen to me.
40:13Jamiat ulama Islam
40:14had announced
40:15that we will come.
40:16Murana Sahib
40:17had announced
40:18on 8th December
40:19in Peshawar
40:20that we will not
40:21come with weapons,
40:22nor will we come
40:23with bullets
40:24nor will we come
40:25with abuse.
40:26We will come
40:27in peace.
40:28Inshallah,
40:29Jamiat ulama Islam
40:30has so much power
40:31that the government
40:32will not be able
40:33to tolerate
40:34that power
40:35which is the
40:36democratic power
40:37and the democratic
40:38power
40:39being in PDM.
40:40Both parties
40:41know this.
40:42I heard
40:43that a friend
40:44said that
40:45he said
40:46that we will
40:47come with
40:48Jamiat ulama Islam
40:49and we will
40:50pass the bill
40:51that we have
40:52passed.
40:53The bill was
40:54like this.
40:55Yes,
40:56if there is
40:57a slight
40:58change
40:59in it.
41:00It is being
41:01solved.
41:02It will be
41:03solved
41:04according to
41:05my estimation.
41:06It will be
41:07solved.
41:08Taimoor
41:09Sahib,
41:10tell me
41:11what
41:12is
41:13your
41:14opinion
41:15on
41:16this?
41:17What
41:18is
41:19your
41:20opinion
41:21on
41:22this?
41:23What
41:24is your
41:25opinion
41:26on
41:27this?
41:28What
41:29is your
41:30opinion
41:31on
41:32this?
41:33What
41:34is your
41:35opinion
41:36on
41:37this?
41:38What
41:39is your
41:40opinion
41:41on
41:42this?
42:10What
42:11is
42:12your
42:13opinion
42:14on
42:15this?
42:25that she agrees with the government's statement, which runs on 40 TV channels at a time.
42:31Talking in their interest, let me tell you, a two-and-a-half-year-old crisis can be solved at any time.
42:38Sir, the issue is that we have run out of time.
42:41We have run out of time.
42:43In politics, I can only request you that for all those martyrs, especially for those children,
42:51recite the Fatiha, pray for their parents' patience,
42:55and pray that Allah does not show this day to anyone, not even to the enemy.
43:00In English, it is said that the smallest coffins are the heaviest to carry.
43:04And we all have children, we have everything.
43:07May Allah give guidance to these people.
43:10Learn something from this.
43:11Don't forget them.
43:13And don't let their sacrifices go to waste.
43:15Give me permission.
43:16Allah Hafiz.