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Host:
- Muhammad Malick
Guests:
- Sheikh Waqas Akram PTI
- Rana Sanaullah Khan PMLN
Mohammad Malick's analysis on Imran Khan's release
"Govt Ki Humari, Idaray Kay Sath Larwanay Ki Sazish Kamiyab Nahi Honay Dengay", Sheikh Waqas Akram
Kya Govt Aur PTI Kay Darmiyan Bat Cheet Ka Amal Shuru Hogaya?
"Faiz Hameed was directly involved in the May 9 Incident..." Rana Sanaullah's statement
"Jinko Mummy Daddy Kaha Jata Tha Unhonay...", Sheikh Waqas Akram
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- Rana Sanaullah Khan PMLN
Mohammad Malick's analysis on Imran Khan's release
"Govt Ki Humari, Idaray Kay Sath Larwanay Ki Sazish Kamiyab Nahi Honay Dengay", Sheikh Waqas Akram
Kya Govt Aur PTI Kay Darmiyan Bat Cheet Ka Amal Shuru Hogaya?
"Faiz Hameed was directly involved in the May 9 Incident..." Rana Sanaullah's statement
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya, I am Mahmood Malik.
00:16Yesterday, when the ISP announced the charge sheet of retired General Faiz Hamid, the politics
00:22of this case has increased.
00:24It has increased not because General Faiz Hamid's military court trial is about to begin,
00:30but because in the second part of the press release, the first mention of May 9th was
00:36made.
00:37Till today, the issue of May 9th was not being discussed with these cases.
00:41It was a separate statement.
00:43And it is written in it that their investigations are taking place on the issue of what was
00:49said and on whose request and on the request of which political vested interest.
00:54And this is a very big conspiracy against the country, against the state, everything.
00:59And these investigations are taking place.
01:01And it is said that apart from May 9th, there are other such incidents.
01:04And then in our show yesterday, Defence Minister Khawaja said that he sees a very clear possibility
01:10that both the trials will be held together.
01:13A few days ago, different PTI leaders and lawyers in our programs also said that they
01:21believe that Imran Khan will be punished in the case of £190 million.
01:27And Imran Khan himself also reportedly, when his meeting was last, in which Barrister
01:32Gaur was scolded for a few more things, he also said that when I am punished, then you
01:39will put a lot of pressure and will do a series in which all the leaders will come and talk
01:44about that matter.
01:45They themselves can see that it will happen.
01:47But like this, there was Tosha Khana before, there was Iddatwala in it, there were such
01:51cases, the votes also went.
01:53May 9th is different.
01:54May 9th is different because when the Defence Minister also says that there is a possibility,
01:58the rest of the people also say, and even the PTI people themselves believe that this
02:02matter is going there and the political interest that is being discussed is obviously PTI
02:07and it is the leadership of PTI.
02:09Why is this different?
02:11It is not different because whenever we have seen the Prime Minister's trial and someone
02:15was punished, someone was sent home, then there was definitely a civilian facade in it.
02:21Nawaz Sharif Sahib, the Supreme Court sent home.
02:24Gilani Sahib, again the Supreme Court put a contempt and fired like this.
02:28Similarly, different things do not work.
02:31Now, if Imran Khan's trial runs, then it will be in a military court.
02:36And if the military court is punished, then the burden of all this is directly on the
02:42institution.
02:43So, have these things and differences reached such an extent that the institution is ready
02:49to bear the full burden of criticism, punishment and its consequences.
02:55And if these circumstances have happened, then is Imran Khan's only way out, which
03:02PTI leaders talk to us off the record, is that Donald Trump will call or get it done
03:08through Saudi Arabia or somebody.
03:10On the other hand, we are also seeing that 5-6 meetings of the Prime Minister have also
03:14taken place in Saudi Arabia repeatedly.
03:16And the claim of the government's resources is that this is also being built up that
03:22if something happens tomorrow, then MBS, which is very important for Trump, for his Middle
03:27East plans and also for his own business interests.
03:30So, in that case, maybe the case will be fought through MBS in front of Trump.
03:35Circles and wheels within wheels are running.
03:39But after this thing of yesterday, a very clear line has been seen.
03:43What are the options of PTI?
03:45We do not understand the PTI leaders.
03:47Gauhar Ayub says that no one is being talked to.
03:50Yesterday, Rauf Hassan Sahib said in a program that our establishment is connected.
03:54We are talking to them.
03:56We are also talking to them.
03:58And Bani PTI, which is a negotiating committee, is in direct contact with the establishment.
04:03Gauhar Sahib also said that before November 24, we had very good relations.
04:08They are also running.
04:10Half of the people say no.
04:12Where is the PTI standing?
04:14And what will happen next?
04:16Now, in the second part of the program, you will hear.
04:19I was talking to Rana Sanawala.
04:21He said that if the PTI wants the attitude of the establishment to change from them,
04:25the army and its leaders,
04:27and all the talks about them and the poisonous propaganda,
04:30they should stop.
04:32Is that enough?
04:34Will the talk increase from here?
04:36Let's talk about this.
04:37I am with Sheikh Waqas Akram, Secretary Information PTI.
04:39Let's ask him.
04:40Assalamu Alaikum Sheikh Sahib.
04:42Waalaikum Assalam.
04:44Sir, first tell me that it is visible that this trial will now take place.
04:51Maybe a joint trial will also take place.
04:55The defence minister is also saying this.
04:57The rest of the people are also saying this.
04:59But first tell me that this establishment,
05:01and now you have formed a party,
05:03you have also formed a negotiation committee.
05:05The government is saying that no one has informed us formally.
05:08Neither has the Speaker made a formal request to talk about this.
05:11Nor has the Prime Minister done this.
05:13Rana Sahib also has to say this.
05:15So, these are just rumors.
05:17First tell me, what option do you see,
05:19apart from the fact that Donald Trump is involved,
05:22and other international forces are also involved.
05:26Domestically, it seems that the line has become very deep.
05:30Look, Donald Trump, we have already given clarity on this.
05:36No such thing has ever been said by the party.
05:39And it will never happen that Donald Trump will come and free Imran Khan.
05:44Or that Donald Trump will do something.
05:46The party has been very clear that we have two or three options.
05:50We will be pleading our case on the floor of the House.
05:53We will be pleading our cases in the court.
05:57And then, because almost all the ways have been closed on us,
06:02a law that gives us the right to protest,
06:04we will try to use that right,
06:07to force this corrupt government to kneel down,
06:12so that we can get the right and justice.
06:15Things are going on in the courts.
06:18In the courts, there are a lot of cases,
06:21as you know, there are almost 200 plus cases against Imran Khan.
06:25A lot of cases, including all legal cases.
06:28But the clash is not with the government, Sheikh Sahib.
06:30The clash is with your institution, which is a simple thing.
06:33You can call it whatever you want.
06:35You yourself say that there is no status or status of the government.
06:38Now the issue is with your institution and with you.
06:43And if this trial would have taken place,
06:45it would have taken place in the military court.
06:47The High Court and the Supreme Court will be involved later,
06:50when there will be an opportunity for an appeal.
06:52Between you and the institution,
06:55has the matter gone beyond the point of no return?
06:59Look, first of all, I would like to say on record that
07:02there is no clash with any institution in Pakistan
07:06and there is no fight.
07:08Imran Khan Sahib, a few days ago,
07:10has given a statement,
07:12while talking to the media in the jail,
07:14he made it very clear that there is no clash with any institution.
07:17And in that regard, he has also said that
07:21he wants us to clash with the institutions.
07:25But you can see that the Pakistan army,
07:28as an army,
07:30you can take the result of the cantonments
07:32and many areas and many places
07:34where the Pakistan army
07:36and the population of these institutions,
07:40the majority vote is given to Imran Khan Sahib.
07:43And in the army,
07:46the majority of their families
07:49are Imran Khan Sahib's voters,
07:51Imran Khan Sahib's supporters,
07:53and they own Imran Khan Sahib's philosophy.
07:55So this cannot happen.
07:56Ghana Sahib also has to say this.
07:58Ghana Sahib is saying that
07:59you talk about the institution in a different way.
08:02When you talk about its leadership,
08:04you talk about it in a very hateful way.
08:06Sometimes there is General Dyer,
08:09sometimes there is Yahya Khan II.
08:11So this is not a conflict.
08:14You know Imran Khan Sahib.
08:16You know Imran Khan Sahib personally.
08:18When a common man understands
08:20that he is suffering from a special individual,
08:22then he talks in that way.
08:24So people express their emotions in the same way.
08:28And a person who has been in jail for a long time
08:32and is in jail,
08:34what can you expect from him?
08:36It is human, it is natural.
08:38Now imagine that you will hurt me,
08:41Mr. Malik, and I am not a criminal.
08:44Or I am lying right under you
08:46and I am very scared of you.
08:48This can happen.
08:49But if there is no such reason,
08:51then I will at least say that
08:52Mr. Malik is being unjust to me.
08:54But you cannot take him to the institution.
08:56And the desire of the government
08:58to have a fight with the institution
09:00will never be successful.
09:02Now you see the press conference
09:04that Atta Tarar held yesterday
09:06and how they tried to drag the institution
09:09and the army in the middle.
09:12Our response was very clear
09:14that as an institution,
09:16you should not try to drag the army
09:18into all this politics.
09:20And the media should clarify their position
09:22that by taking your name,
09:24by taking the name of the army,
09:26they are talking about this kind of thing
09:28and by taking the name of Mr. Imran Khan,
09:30you should clarify why they are saying such things
09:32and why the government has the permission
09:34to drag the army like this
09:36and use it to promote their narrative.
09:40So what will be the way forward now?
09:43Because I spoke to two ministers today
09:46and I asked them,
09:47why don't you guys talk?
09:49Earlier you used to say that you don't talk.
09:51Now Umar Ayub has said
09:53that we will talk to any person,
09:55even an angel.
09:56He says that we have decided
09:58that we will not talk to anyone
10:00with preconditions.
10:02First you tell me,
10:04when our opposition leader is saying
10:06that we are ready to talk to an angel,
10:08then you are asking me
10:10to clash with Atta Tarar.
10:12He says that the government
10:14has to show its strength.
10:16They are telling us to talk.
10:18He says that we will not talk
10:20with preconditions.
10:22They have come formally
10:24to have a political dialogue.
10:26They have come with preconditions.
10:28Earlier they used to say that
10:30we will talk with preconditions.
10:32Now they are saying that
10:34we will not talk with preconditions.
10:36Why don't you guys generalize
10:38the preconditions?
10:40This is what the ministers of the government
10:42have told me.
10:44But Mr. Rana has also echoed
10:46this sentiment that
10:48they want to sit with preconditions
10:50and we will not talk like this.
10:52Do you remember the three rules
10:54that we had set?
10:56At that time,
10:58they were ready to sit with us
11:00with those three rules.
11:02They were ready and that is why
11:04the jail was being opened.
11:06Apart from this,
11:08the jail was not being opened.
11:10These are the two preconditions
11:12under which you have to
11:14have a dialogue.
11:16But when you sit,
11:18there are many ways
11:20to have a dialogue.
11:22We have not established
11:24any official contact with them.
11:26But unofficially,
11:28at some level,
11:30you know that
11:32Mr. Ayaz Sadiq has a
11:34Photography Studio.
11:36He is a custodian of the house.
11:38He is coming and going there.
11:40Unofficially,
11:42there will be a dialogue.
11:44But until now,
11:46official contact has not been
11:48established.
11:50I feel that
11:52that contact can be established
11:54very soon.
11:56Earlier,
11:58you used to say that
12:00we are not willing
12:02and we do not want it.
12:04Now, we are the ones
12:06who are going to make
12:08the executive committee.
12:10You used to say that
12:12you will not talk to anyone.
12:14See, time and circumstances
12:16want this turmoil
12:18to end.
12:20I think everybody should welcome it.
12:22Earlier, when we used to taunt you
12:24in your shows,
12:26they should be happy that
12:28we have come a step forward.
12:30But isn't it too little too late?
12:32Because the government
12:34has become very broad
12:36after 26.
12:38They have said that
12:40they have destroyed the protest.
12:42They came in October
12:44and ran away.
12:46Now, we have made them run away.
12:48There is no truth in this.
12:50They can only bring people from Peshawar
12:52and not from Punjab.
12:54Sir, leave me alone.
12:56No one ran away and nothing was destroyed.
12:58The thing is that people were
13:00mentally ready for tear gas,
13:02for stun grenades,
13:04for rubber bullets,
13:06but they were not ready for live ammunition.
13:08So, there is no need to be so broad.
13:10If they had a little chance
13:12to use live ammunition
13:14on their own people,
13:16then the situation would have been different.
13:18They would have understood that
13:20they are not so stupid
13:22that they will do this.
13:24But Jabal and Fastai did this.
13:26And these 12 martyrs,
13:28Shahbaz Sharif and his ministers,
13:30they will not leave them alone.
13:32They think that
13:34today the establishment
13:36is on their head,
13:38so they will be saved.
13:40Let's look at the situation today.
13:42The situation is that
13:44the PTI has factions
13:46whether they believe it or not.
13:48There are many factions.
13:50Bushra Bibi,
13:52Aleema Bibi,
13:54Hamad Azhar from Punjab,
13:56issues from Gandhapur,
13:58issues from Gandhapur,
14:00issues from Gandhapur,
14:02issues from Gandhapur,
14:04issues from Gandhapur,
14:06issues from Gandhapur,
14:08I was told that
14:10when I met Imran Khan
14:12when I met Imran Khan
14:14he scolded me a lot.
14:16He said that you people
14:18did not pressurize.
14:20He said many things.
14:22In fact, he was told
14:24that you have given a call
14:26for civil disobedience.
14:28Are there any differences on this?
14:30A committee is looking at this.
14:32He said that whoever has an objection
14:34should submit it to the committee and party.
14:36This is your situation.
14:38This is your situation.
14:40Let me add to this.
14:42The last two street movements
14:44were removed
14:46and people were killed
14:48but they could not
14:50shake the government.
14:52Supreme Court is with them.
14:54Election Commission is with them.
14:56Establishment is with them.
14:58They are doing well.
15:00You yourself feel that
15:02you will be punished for this.
15:04We can see it on the horizon.
15:06Whatever you are seeing
15:08it looks like a worst case scenario.
15:10The way forward
15:12and the government is also
15:14reluctant to talk to you.
15:16It will become a big committee.
15:18We will play committee.
15:20It seems that you are going
15:22tactic to tactic.
15:24There is no strategic game plan.
15:26Am I wrong?
15:28Sir, first of all,
15:30I disagree with you a little
15:32First of all, there is no big disagreement
15:34in the party.
15:36There is disagreement.
15:38If
15:40the 24th call
15:42that Khan has given
15:44if a person says
15:46that I have a disagreement
15:48with Ali Amin, then I am not going.
15:50Bushra Bibi is saying that
15:52I am standing and everyone ran away.
15:54Bushra Bibi's sister said in our show
15:56that she has been kept in Hafz-e-Beja
15:58in Gandapur.
16:00If there is no disagreement,
16:02then Mishal Yusuf will be fired
16:04by the advisor
16:06or special assistant.
16:08There are things, but they leave.
16:10I am talking overall.
16:12I said, leave me alone.
16:14There is such a big party
16:16that has to get crores of votes.
16:18There is disagreement when
16:20a person disagrees with Qaid
16:22and says that I don't do this.
16:24When Imran Khan gave a call,
16:26whether anyone understood it or not,
16:28everyone reached that call.
16:30Number one,
16:32I say again,
16:34there are small shocks in big parties.
16:36The party whose leader
16:38has been kept innocent for so long,
16:40whose entire leadership
16:42has been terrorized,
16:44whose people cannot go to their homes,
16:46cannot move to their provinces,
16:48whose people are being abducted,
16:50being tortured,
16:52about which the judges are writing letters,
16:54in this turmoil,
16:56in these situations,
16:58things often don't go as per strategy.
17:00You asked that we are going
17:02tact by tact, we are moving
17:04according to tactics,
17:06so in this turmoil,
17:08which has never happened
17:10with any party,
17:12things often don't go as per strategy.
17:14Strategies have to be changed,
17:16tactics have to be changed.
17:18At the end of the day,
17:20we are a political party.
17:22We are not militants, God forbid.
17:24We are not going to
17:26do this or that.
17:28The lives of people are very important
17:30for us.
17:32If there was a militant party,
17:34they would say,
17:36show mercy,
17:38people saved their lives,
17:40people came from there.
17:42I am asking about the party
17:44because tell me,
17:46who is the ultimate
17:48undisputed
17:50final word of the party
17:52Bushra Bibi,
17:54Gandapur Sahib,
17:56or Barisha Gauhar?
17:58Whose word is the most important
18:00for everyone?
18:02First of all,
18:04there are daily meetings,
18:06I am talking about the outside world.
18:08Khan is giving the call from inside,
18:10he is giving the time,
18:12he is giving the strategy,
18:14Khan is giving everything.
18:18For this reason,
18:20we were ready
18:22to go to Sangjani,
18:24but Bushra Bibi said,
18:26no, we will go to D-Chowk,
18:28so we had to go.
18:30Ultimately,
18:32who is the undisputed
18:34after Khan?
18:36After Khan gave a statement,
18:38this is what I directed,
18:40then the debate ends
18:42who was saying what,
18:44who was not saying what.
18:46When Khan said,
18:48we went to Vukla.
18:50Now,
18:52your people
18:54also think,
18:56your Vukla also said in the program,
18:58that the military trial
19:00decision of the civilians,
19:02they also see that
19:04it will go against,
19:06and any bench of the Supreme Court
19:08may not give the same decision
19:10that the original bench,
19:12the seven-member bench gave,
19:14that it cannot be.
19:16It has been a year and a half
19:18since Khan has been inside.
19:20There is a lot of turmoil.
19:22There are a lot of pressures
19:24inside the party.
19:26If it takes a few more months
19:28for Khan to come out,
19:30or if he does not come in the
19:32foreseeable future,
19:34will the party survive?
19:36Inshallah,
19:38our Khan will come back soon.
19:40I believe in my God.
19:42When all the roads are closed,
19:44sometimes God opens a door.
19:46The thing is,
19:48the party has survived
19:50in such a bad situation.
19:52Those who were called
19:54mom and dad,
19:56those who were told
19:58that they would not be able
20:00to tolerate a month,
20:02those who were told
20:04that they would not be
20:06able to tolerate
20:08a four-day jail.
20:10What do you say about
20:12the change in attitudes?
20:14I don't think
20:16there is any bad advice.
20:18But where there is bloodshed
20:20and where there are dead bodies,
20:22as a human,
20:24you understand
20:26what people's emotions are
20:28and where fascism has been
20:30ruling for the past two years.
20:32Attitudes change.
20:34Why don't they?
20:36When the opposition leader
20:38is telling you that
20:40what more do they want?
20:42Okay, I think
20:44let's end on this positive note.
20:46God willing, everyone's attitude
20:48will change so that
20:50the country improves.
20:52The conflict has
20:54greatly destabilized the country.
20:56Thank you very much.
20:58Let's take a break.
21:00Mr. Sinal Lah did a lot of other things
21:02and I also asked him
21:04what is the possibility
21:06that General Faiz Ameed
21:08will become a witness
21:10and what are the consequences
21:12for Mr. Khan
21:14and his political future after this break.
21:22Welcome back to the show.
21:24In this segment, we will talk to Mr. Nanas Salawla
21:26who is the advisor to the Prime Minister.
21:28Assalam-o-Alaikum, Mr. Nanas.
21:30Wa-alaikum-salam.
21:32Mr. Nanas, there has been a fire
21:34in the country since yesterday
21:36and the case of General Faiz Ameed
21:38has been charged.
21:40The trial will begin in a week or so.
21:42First of all,
21:44Khawaja Asif said
21:46the same thing
21:48in our program yesterday
21:50and today as well.
21:52He said that it is clear
21:54that General Faiz Ameed and
21:56General Imran Khan's trial
21:58will be held in May.
22:00General Faiz Ameed and
22:02General Imran Khan's
22:04trial will be held in May.
22:06I think this is a possibility.
22:08You cannot rule it out.
22:10It is a possibility
22:12and a very clear possibility.
22:14Mr. Faiz Ameed played
22:16a major role in
22:18bringing the PTI to power.
22:20This partnership was
22:22established before the 2018 elections.
22:24This partnership was planned
22:26on 9th May.
22:28This partnership has been going on
22:30since 9th May.
22:32Proofs and other evidences
22:34will be available.
22:36It will be proven.
22:38He said that it is a clear possibility.
22:40It is a clear possibility
22:42that it will happen.
22:44Proofs are available.
22:46But when the ISPR press release
22:48came out, it said that
22:50the issue of 9th May
22:52is being investigated separately.
22:54It has been more than
22:56a year and a half
22:58since 9th May.
23:00The army is investigating it.
23:02You are saying that
23:04it is a clear possibility.
23:06Do you know anything
23:08that the army does not know?
23:12First of all,
23:14I disagree with
23:16what you said
23:18that the entire country is on fire.
23:20There is no such position.
23:22I mean, in the news,
23:24on the screens,
23:26on social media,
23:28this is the main news.
23:30In the rest of the country,
23:32by the grace of Allah,
23:34the situation
23:36is much better.
23:38If you say that
23:40the economy is improving,
23:42it is progressing.
23:44You can see it in the form
23:46of a decrease in inflation.
23:48You can see it in the form
23:50of a decrease in inflation.
23:52You can see it in the form
23:54of a decrease in inflation.
23:56If you look at the index
23:58of the market,
24:00if you look at the index
24:02of the market,
24:04then the situation
24:06is really improving.
24:08then the situation
24:10is really improving.
24:12The stock exchange
24:14is unprecedented.
24:16It has gone up
24:18by 100,000.
24:20As far as Khawaja Asif
24:22is concerned,
24:24as a defense minister,
24:26as a defense minister,
24:28you cannot ignore
24:30his words.
24:32you cannot ignore
24:34his words.
24:36But he has used
24:38the word possibility.
24:40He did not say
24:42that it will happen
24:44or it will happen.
24:46He said that there is a possibility.
24:48The possibility is like this.
24:50It can happen or not.
24:52The press release
24:54by DG ISPR
24:56The press release by DG ISPR
24:58The press release by DG ISPR
25:00is correct.
25:02There is no such thing.
25:04But there is a point
25:06But there is a point
25:08that Faiz Hamid
25:10is involved in
25:129th of May
25:14is involved in
25:169th of May
25:189th of May
25:20and the events
25:22related to it
25:24and events related to it
25:26are mentioned on 25th of May
25:28are mentioned on 25th of May
25:30in November 2022
25:32when army chief was appointed
25:34and at that time
25:36how people in Ramalpindi
25:38and how people in Ramalpindi
25:40people in Ramalpindi
25:42people in Ramalpindi
25:44people in Ramalpindi
25:46people in Ramalpindi
25:48But until this is made clear, you can make your own assumptions.
26:01I am saying this on the basis of assumptions because I have no information.
26:12When they started the long march, it looked like it would reach Rawalpindi in the next 10 days.
26:26But it was stopped on the way.
26:29Then it started regaining.
26:31And then it reached here when the army chief was to be appointed.
26:39Now at that time it was being said, it was a rumor that Faiz Hamid is its architect.
26:47It is stopping on their opinion and moving forward.
26:54And why is Rawalpindi the place of Islamabad?
27:01If any information is given in this regard, then it comes to the official secret act.
27:13This is also mentioned in that press release.
27:16So if you fill in the blanks between the things that are there, then it comes close to what Khawaja Asif has done.
27:29But anyway, the possibility is a possibility.
27:32As soon as things come to light, the matter will be clear.
27:35What is the meaning of this rumor?
27:40Did the government have any intelligence reports?
27:44Was there any information?
27:46I want to understand this rumor.
27:50No, there are no reports in black and white from the rumor.
27:57Some things are also going on verbally.
28:00Now there is no file about this that Faiz Hamid was to be made army chief.
28:09And Mr. Imran Khan was involved in this.
28:13So if you say about this that there is no intelligence report or evidence, then maybe there is none.
28:20But this is such a thing that everyone believes that this was the case.
28:26So things are going on like this.
28:30Since yesterday, when this press release came, another discussion has started in Islamabad.
28:37They are saying that the first part is being discussed.
28:41You remember that when the first press release came, the ISP said that because it was the Supreme Court's order,
28:47then the Top City case was opened and an investigation was carried out.
28:51Now one theory is going on in Islamabad that there will be a punishment in Top City,
28:57but the punishment for that case is a little less, it is not big.
29:01In the second part, on May 9th, there is a lot of punishment.
29:07There is subversion, sedition, death penalty, life imprisonment, etc.
29:15So is this a possibility that Faiz Hamid will take a small punishment in a big case to save his life,
29:27and become a promise-maker in a big case?
29:33You must be aware that a promise-maker is made.
29:43No one can become a promise-maker of his own free will.
29:49Prosecution gives permission to someone to become a promise-maker.
29:57And according to the law, you will get what you want.
30:01If the prosecution says that you have all the evidence and we will prosecute you,
30:07then there is no need to make a promise-maker.
30:11Because a promise-maker means that the prosecution is a witness.
30:15A promise-maker is a witness of the prosecution.
30:19So if the prosecution wants to make a witness, then they will make one.
30:23A promise-maker cannot become a witness of his own free will.
30:27So I don't think that he will be made a promise-maker.
30:41Mr. Rana, please tell us one thing.
30:43If a promise-maker had to be made, then none of this would have come to light.
30:47The government has a persistent stance that a lot of evidence is available,
30:51there are videos, everything is there, and everyone knows about the involvement.
30:55When the army reacted, the same thing happens there too.
30:59First they came to apologize for May 9th, and then something will happen after that.
31:03So it seems that everyone knows what happened on May 9th.
31:07It is a settled matter, there is no doubt about it.
31:11But now there is a press release that an investigation is being carried out.
31:15It's been a year and a half.
31:17December is about to end.
31:21So it's been more than a year and a half.
31:23If the case is so open and shut, then why is the investigation still going on?
31:27And if the investigation is still going on, then what is the objection of the Judicial Commission?
31:33It would be better if the findings of the Judicial Commission also help the investigation.
31:39No, this is not the job of the Judicial Commission.
31:43How is this the job of the Judicial Commission?
31:45The investigation is to be carried out by the Judicial Commission.
31:49The matter is that the incident that took place on May 9th,
31:53that is in front of everyone.
31:55Everyone knows who is the accused.
31:59Who committed this crime?
32:05Who went to the scene?
32:07Who set the fire?
32:09Who took the people?
32:11That is also very clear.
32:13Who kept preparing people for this purpose?
32:17This is also very clear.
32:19So you are looking at it as if the Army is clear about what happened on May 9th.
32:27Only General Faiz's role is being investigated.
32:31This is the same thing.
32:35The one who said that if this is the case, then you have to do this.
32:39This is also clear.
32:41Now, apart from these clear things, there was something else behind this.
32:51There were some other purposes as well.
32:55The investigation on this must have taken place before this.
33:01If something new has come up, the investigation can still be carried out on them.
33:07Now, how will the Judicial Commission do this investigation?
33:11This is not the job of the Judicial Commission.
33:13And they say, make the Judicial Commission of the judges of the Supreme Court.
33:17When the trial court has to give a punishment,
33:19its appeal has to come to the Supreme Court.
33:21If the judges of the Supreme Court have already done the inquiry,
33:25and have given a punishment to someone,
33:29then that person has gone.
33:33He has gone from the trial court, the High Court, and the Supreme Court.
33:37So, there is no answer to this.
33:41So, you are sure that there will be a punishment,
33:43you are sure that there will be a punishment,
33:45and the appeals will go to the Supreme Court.
33:47If someone does not get a punishment, then they can go to the Prosecution Appeal.
33:53I am not saying that I have no knowledge of this matter.
34:01I am sure that in the case of the Judicial Commission,
34:07the matter is not as it is in civil.
34:11If you put allegations, then they look for evidence.
34:17There, things are first seen, and then they are investigated.
34:21And when things are proven with evidence,
34:25then someone is charged or prosecuted.
34:31So, because of this, I feel that there will be prosecution in this case.
34:39And there is a high possibility that there will be a punishment.
34:45Okay, Mr. Rana, one more thing,
34:47this is a very interesting angle,
34:49that all the Prime Ministers who have been punished so far,
34:53have been from the civilian courts.
34:55And there is always a fig leaf in front of them,
34:59of democracy, of elected governments.
35:03If Mr. Imran Khan's case goes to the military court,
35:07and he is punished there,
35:09then it will be the first time in today's era,
35:13that the entire burden is being carried by the military,
35:17that it is their case, it is their court, it is theirs.
35:21When such an establishment army will carry such a big burden,
35:27then doesn't the political weight of the political party
35:33become very less?
35:35In any case, the establishment or any institution,
35:39because the biggest burden will be carried by the institution,
35:41even if it punishes their court.
35:45No, Mr. Malik, it is like this,
35:49that if someone sets my house on fire,
35:51then it is said that your house has been set on fire,
35:55you have become the witness,
35:57you are giving the testimony,
35:59then this punishment will be very one-sided and one-sided.
36:07The matter is that in the last 70 years,
36:11which prime minister or which party has attacked the control units?
36:17Who has set the house of a corps commander on fire?
36:21Who is the one who broke the gate of the GHQ and set it on fire?
36:27Who has destroyed the building of Radio Pakistan in Peshawar,
36:33Charsadda and other places?
36:41It was a historical building.
36:47There was a market next to it,
36:49it was set on fire,
36:51all the animals there died in that fire.
36:55In the same way, they went to the Punjab Regiment.
37:01So you are saying that it is an unprecedented thing,
37:05so its consequences will also be unprecedented.
37:07There is such an example.
37:09No, the thing is that there is such an example.
37:13There is no such example that the army,
37:17the car of the soldiers is going,
37:19and the people caught it and surrounded it.
37:23This has to be decided by the court.
37:25Let's take a short break here.
37:27After the break, we will ask Mr. Rana that
37:29the difference between the establishment and the PTI leadership,
37:33can these distances be reduced?
37:35And if so, then how?
37:37After this break.
37:43Welcome back to the show.
37:45Mr. Rana, there is one very important thing.
37:47Earlier you used to say, talk,
37:49these people did not listen to you.
37:51Now they are saying that we want to talk,
37:53we are sitting in committees.
37:55Now the government is saying that
37:57we are not ready to talk.
37:59Isn't this also dangerous?
38:01If the political parties do not talk to each other,
38:03how will the issues be solved?
38:09Pakistan Muslim League as a political party
38:13and their leadership,
38:17Party President Mian Rashid Sahib,
38:21there are many records.
38:23On 21st October,
38:25a year ago, he came.
38:27What he said in front of the whole nation,
38:29neither you have forgotten it,
38:31nor I have forgotten it.
38:33Nor has anyone else forgotten it.
38:35He said that the country is in a situation
38:37where everyone is sitting together.
38:39Then we can get this country out of this crisis.
38:43It has not been a month yet.
38:45On the floor of the house,
38:47the Prime Minister
38:49met the entire opposition,
38:51shook hands,
38:53and then told them to come and sit.
38:55We are ready to talk to you.
38:57Whatever you want to do.
38:59From then on,
39:01Omar Ayub Sahib, the opposition leader,
39:03did not abuse,
39:05but the conversations
39:07were no less.
39:09Now that you have come,
39:11all the reasons have come to talk to you.
39:13No,
39:15not at all.
39:17About this,
39:19I do not know,
39:21but I
39:23can say with confidence
39:25that he did not
39:27talk to the Prime Minister
39:29on any letter or phone.
39:31Or
39:33there is a common office,
39:35the office of the Speaker.
39:37Whenever there is a conversation,
39:39he always
39:41uses
39:43that.
39:45So I don't think he
39:47talked to the Speaker.
39:49And if he talks,
39:51the party does not have to answer.
39:53No individual
39:55or individual
39:57has to answer.
39:59But as far as I
40:01understand my party,
40:03or know about
40:05leadership,
40:07I
40:09am absolutely
40:11sure that
40:13his answer will be positive.
40:15Okay, you have
40:17the knowledge of this.
40:19Rauf Hassan
40:21has said in a program that
40:23he has a contact with the establishment.
40:25The conversation is ongoing.
40:27I hope the conversation will move forward.
40:29Then he said that in response to a question,
40:31Bani PTI's Muzakirati Committee
40:33is in contact with the establishment.
40:35Then Gaur Sahib said that
40:37earlier there were very good contacts.
40:39Do you know about these contacts?
40:41Who is he talking to?
40:43No, Malik
40:45these contacts are not
40:47political dialogue.
40:49These are not even discussions.
40:51If you talk about contacts,
40:53then our contacts
40:55are also with
40:57many respected
40:59people.
41:01We meet them.
41:03The Speaker's office is a common place.
41:05We were sitting there today.
41:07We have met
41:09many people today.
41:11Some friends came to
41:13mourn the
41:15death of the Speaker's
41:17wife.
41:19When politicians
41:21meet, then it is about
41:23politics.
41:25What else can it be?
41:27You cannot call it a discussion.
41:29You can call it a contact,
41:31but you cannot call it a discussion.
41:33Do you think that
41:35in the near future,
41:37the distance between
41:39the PTI and the establishment
41:41can be reduced?
41:47The distance
41:49can be reduced.
41:51It can be reduced in such a way
41:53that the PTI people
41:55who are propagandizing
41:57all over the world
41:59and especially
42:01the PTI people
42:03who talk about the
42:05establishment in one way
42:07and the head of the
42:09establishment in another way
42:11and then try to
42:13make a difference,
42:15if they get rid of
42:17these things and
42:19do not get involved in
42:21these things,
42:23then I think
42:25there can be a difference
42:27in these things.
42:29These things are
42:31going on.
42:33It is very difficult
42:35for anyone to tolerate.
42:37But if they want to talk,
42:39they should talk
42:41to the government.
42:43Political parties
42:45should talk to each other.
42:47The DGISPR
42:49said this very clearly
42:51at the press conference
42:53on 8th February.
42:55They said that it is not
42:57necessary to
42:59talk to the government.
43:01Political parties
43:03should sit together
43:05and talk to each other.
43:07They should also be
43:09taken on board.
43:11If you want to change
43:13the attitude,
43:15then first change your
43:17attitude.
43:19Thank you very much.
43:21I think that is a
43:23food for thought.
43:25I think this advice
43:27is for everyone.
43:29The government and
43:31the PTA should also change
43:33their attitude when
43:35they talk to the government.
43:37If there is a dialogue,
43:39then the situation will change.
43:41Otherwise,
43:43things will only get worse.
43:45I take your leave.