En medio de la incertidumbre por los cambios en el PAMI, los beneficiarios expresan su preocupación por el empadronamiento y la inflación proyectada del 120%. La canasta de medicamentos ha aumentado un 250% desde enero, más del doble de la inflación proyectada. Se cuestiona la lógica detrás de las nuevas disposiciones y se destaca la necesidad urgente de resolver problemas como el consumo incorrecto de medicamentos y la automedicación.
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00:00Well, you're the one who's going to listen to people's voices, their worries, and their uncertainty about these changes.
00:09Yes, yes, yes. People are very worried, they ask questions, they're surprised.
00:15And, well, they're very worried about the issue of standardization, how they should do it, where.
00:20That's going to be very cumbersome, too, so that they can do it.
00:25Yesterday we were talking, Rolo, about the issue of medication, with Lucia Baldi, we were talking here.
00:30We still need to know the index of inflation for November and December, but projected it's going to be 120%, approximately.
00:38The medicine basket, especially the most used, is 250% from January to December,
00:45which is more than double the projected inflation.
00:50This is to take into account, all those who go to Mostrador lose part of the percentage of PAMI coverage,
00:55and they have to start paying from their own pocket, with 80% of retirees who receive the minimum.
01:02Because, let's see, that's the only data you have to cross, guys.
01:05That if you have a 10-year-old car, I don't know, 80% charges the minimum.
01:10Of 5,300,000 affiliates that PAMI has,
01:1580%, the vast majority, charge the minimum.
01:19And above all, people, also a psychological factor, people who are having a bad time,
01:24and it is necessary to generate more uncertainty.
01:28As much as the situation does not change, to re-standardize, to place them in a situation of suspicion,
01:33this is what Bombobi said, if he has two properties that he had from a period in which he was better,
01:38and well, they will start to consider you a powerful rich man.
01:42We were just saying, and we were talking about the measurement of the basket of retirees, how much is it?
01:47Clarita was telling me, close to a million pesos.
01:49And who makes that calculation is Eugenio Semino, and I have it on a screen.
01:53Dear Eugenio, how are you doing?
01:55I'm doing well, it's a pleasure to be able to greet you.
01:58Well, what do you see behind this announcement?
02:03Look, I think the issue is very complex, for what you pointed out.
02:08First, because the retirees cannot cover a third of their basket of basic needs,
02:15they cannot buy the medicine, even with an 80% discount when it comes to drugs for chronic pathologies,
02:24and the degree of excitement, of fear that arises when these measures appear,
02:36we see it in those of us who work on the other side of the counter.
02:40Yesterday was a cataract at the defense.
02:42That's what I was going to tell you, I imagine uncertainty and anger too, right?
02:48Yes, look, here is a central issue, Rolando.
02:53The PAMI is the main buyer of the drug in Argentina,
02:58there are 5,300,000 beneficiaries with a high and constant rate of use.
03:04The drug industry, today that there is talk of price compulsion and others,
03:09is a monopolistic activity, that is to say,
03:12Or at least cartelized.
03:14They set the prices and from that they also set the policy of health in Argentina or disease.
03:25It seems to me that appealing, even this old disposition,
03:31as you pointed out, is absolutely ridiculous.
03:35Assuming that the one who earns 390,000 cannot acquire it,
03:41but the one who earns 400 does.
03:44It makes no sense.
03:46If you have a car that is less than 10 years old, they had put 15 on top.
03:51These are anachronistic issues for the 21st century.
03:55I believe that, and it is true, that the start of drugs is taken
04:02and drags the rest of the PAMI games.
04:06Now, issues to be resolved now.
04:10First, when there is a lot of drug use, incorrect drug use,
04:16there is self-medication, polypharmacy, all this exists,
04:19it is because there is no primary attention to health.
04:23That is, we do not have the necessary and sufficient number of head doctors.
04:30In many cases, the doctor, due to that lack, becomes a hologram
04:35or has a pattern of 900 beneficiaries,
04:38so there is no prescription.
04:40In many cases, recipes are copied.
04:43There is a spending that makes no sense.
04:46It is not synoptic for health.
04:48What one puts into the body generates effects.
04:52Treatments are not fulfilled.
04:54The procedures, I asked the PAMI yesterday,
04:57very early at 8 in the morning.
04:59The issue of checking all this that is required
05:06is extremely cumbersome and takes a long time,
05:12because the subsidiary cannot do it.
05:14And in the midst of anguish, saying,
05:16well, this procedure goes wrong, what am I going to do?
05:18They are going to take away part of the subsidy.
05:20But a little bit of clarity, I want to ask you a question, Eugenio.
05:22I want to share with Eugenio and with you,
05:25something that the PAMI authorities also told me,
05:29because I communicated with the social work yesterday
05:32on several occasions.
05:34They talk about all the irregularities they detected
05:38and they asked me three questions that I, of course, agendized.
05:42They say that there was abuse in the request for drugs,
05:46fraud related to fake recipes
05:51and approximately 600,000 affiliates
05:55who withdrew free drugs while they were affiliated to prepayments.
05:59Do you think it has to do with this?
06:02Look at what is happening, on the other hand,
06:04with the outrageous complaints that Petovello made
06:08regarding the maneuvers in the dining rooms,
06:10the expired grass, the trucho beneficiaries of social plans,
06:14they fell one by one in federal justice
06:17and federal justice ordered the Minister of Human Capital
06:20to restore them.
06:21The grass was not expired,
06:23the food has to be delivered,
06:25the guys who were cut off from social plans
06:29have to be returned because they were false complaints.
06:32So be careful with those announcements
06:35that are announced on social networks
06:38and in press conferences of Adorni
06:40and then you find out
06:42that when they have to check their speed,
06:44they can't hold them.
06:46There can also be exceptions, right?
06:49There are a lot.
06:50Surely in such a large universe
06:52there will be exceptional and aberrant cases,
06:54but the problem is that they are going to put millions of people in the bag
06:57and they are going to generate the anger, the anguish
07:00that they are having a bad time,
07:02they have to go and show that they are not rich.
07:04Eugenio, your assessment regarding
07:07that you have first-hand information,
07:10you are in permanent contact with the social work,
07:13what do you think these re-adjustments are due to?
07:18Let me say something elementary.
07:20The distribution of medicines
07:22is taken to the lion's share of the PAMI budget
07:26and the rest of the distribution is exhausted.
07:29I say this now,
07:31and going to what you pointed out,
07:34the irregularities.
07:36If there are, and surely there will be,
07:40what has to be done is to denounce
07:42those who committed the irregularities,
07:45who are not the beneficiaries,
07:47the victim.
07:49The pensioner paid for this medicine in advance
07:52for 30 or 40 years
07:54that today he does not receive when he needs it.
07:57You have to cut the irregularities, not the benefits.
08:01First, yes,
08:03you have to generate tranquility,
08:05no more or less,
08:07and for that it is important
08:10that the authorities of the PAMI have it in mind.
08:14And it seems to me that we have to look for
08:17the bottom line solution.
08:19The bottom line solution
08:21is to look for adequate prices,
08:24to look for the necessary medical attention,
08:27that less doctor, more medicine.
08:30This is a rule in geriatrics.
08:33That is, to contemplate these issues.
08:36As for the procedures,
08:38I said it yesterday,
08:40they are very complicated.
08:42Even if the internet officials tell you,
08:45only 20-30% of my colleagues
08:48use the computer life,
08:51they do not have many aids to do it.
08:54Going to the agency to do it
08:57involves asking for a shift,
08:59that the social worker be there,
09:01that the social worker make the statement, etc.
09:05It seems to me that we have to look for something rational,
09:08to give tranquility.
09:10The requirements,
09:12the truth is that they lack meaning,
09:16as they are being demanded.
09:18We have to look for, among all,
09:21and I raise that to the authorities,
09:25I communicate only by official means about it,
09:29but it seems to me that it is a time of great fuss.
09:32We have to get out of that fuss,
09:34we have to maintain fundamentally
09:37that the treatments are not interrupted
09:41or do not start,
09:43as it is happening today,
09:45not only because of this measure,
09:47but that the retired, in many cases,
09:50looking for medication,
09:52generates the industry of unemployment,
09:55a number of things that are distortions
09:58and that do not...
10:00And that people, the truth, Eugenio,
10:02does not deserve at this age,
10:04and after everything he has been suffering.
10:06I send you a big hug.