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00:00Pakistan Tehreek-e-Ansar has announced that on 24th November, the final round, the funeral
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02:47See, this topic
02:49has been
02:51hot topic since afternoon.
02:53Yes.
02:55But if you analyze it,
02:57then two things come up.
02:59Yes.
03:01Number one is that
03:03if
03:05Bani PTI
03:07expresses
03:09consent on negotiations
03:11Yes.
03:13And they say that
03:15government should negotiate.
03:17Yes.
03:19So, at what level
03:21should the establishment negotiate?
03:23On one hand,
03:25they say that
03:27government
03:29and establishment
03:31say that
03:33all rights and
03:35actions are theirs.
03:37Yes.
03:39They say that
03:41they have nothing.
03:43At what level
03:45do they want to negotiate?
03:47And if
03:49they are
03:51ready to negotiate
03:53and want to
03:55cancel
03:57their program,
03:59then
04:01it is possible
04:03that
04:05they will be
04:07told that
04:09they will negotiate.
04:11As far as the government is concerned,
04:13they are already
04:15ready to negotiate
04:17when we are in opposition.
04:19They are ready to
04:21have political dialogue.
04:23And even now,
04:25four or five weeks ago,
04:27Prime Minister on the floor of the House
04:29has said that
04:31he is ready to have political dialogue
04:33with you and resolve
04:35all issues.
04:37But he did not respond.
04:39If
04:41this is the case,
04:43then
04:45there is no doubt
04:47or
04:49there is no doubt
04:51that
04:53they will
04:55cancel their program.
04:59Secondly,
05:01they say that
05:03our demands should be met
05:05and we should celebrate
05:07their demands.
05:09The 26th amendment
05:11should be withdrawn.
05:13All politicians
05:15including
05:17Mr. Khan
05:19and the people of his
05:21Jamaat, who are also
05:23accused on 9th May,
05:25should be released.
05:27Their mandate
05:29should be
05:31withdrawn.
05:33As a result,
05:35we should
05:37put them in government.
05:39And as a result,
05:41we should go to jail
05:43where Mr. Khan is.
05:45No, he did not say this.
05:47You are saying this.
05:49They do not want you to go to jail.
05:51And then,
05:53if they want to withdraw their mandate,
05:55should they go to government?
05:57You know that the next thing
05:59is to go to jail.
06:01Then you tell me
06:03that it is being discussed
06:05that we have reached
06:07a high level.
06:09We have reached
06:11a low level.
06:13Both these things
06:15are not
06:17going to happen.
06:19No, I don't understand.
06:21What you were saying
06:23earlier,
06:25I think,
06:27I don't know if you agree or not,
06:29they say that
06:31you are talking about
06:33the establishment.
06:35I am saying this as a proof.
06:37There is a tweet on their account
06:39that when they announced the protest,
06:41they said that they have formed a committee.
06:43We will talk to whoever
06:45the establishment
06:47puts forward.
06:49Now they think
06:51that you are talking
06:53on your own.
06:55There is no agreement
06:57of the establishment.
06:59Mr. Badami's statement
07:01is that
07:03without the establishment,
07:05we do not do anything
07:07according to Mr. Khan.
07:09So how did Mr. Khan
07:11think that we are making fun of him?
07:13We have not made the establishment
07:15angry.
07:17So you are saying in clear words
07:19that we have taken
07:21consent from the establishment
07:23so that Mr. Khan
07:25is also satisfied.
07:27Mr. Badami,
07:29the establishment is on record.
07:31On 8th May,
07:33DG ISPR
07:35is not a politician
07:37who will
07:39hold a press conference
07:41and
07:43will say
07:4510 things
07:47according to the flag
07:49and will do 4-5 things
07:51as per his wish.
07:53There,
07:55after that
07:57he has to represent
07:59an institution.
08:01He said that
08:03there is no mandate
08:05for our dialogue
08:07directly.
08:09Politicians
08:11and political parties
08:13should talk to each other.
08:15He gave his consent.
08:17But does he mean
08:19that if you
08:21and the PTI talk
08:23then whatever you decide,
08:25the establishment will never
08:27support you or oppose you?
08:29Do you have a mandate to decide whatever you want?
08:31Look,
08:33in the current situation,
08:35as a political worker,
08:37I believe
08:39that
08:41this issue,
08:43whatever is related to
08:45elections,
08:47constitutional amendments,
08:49there is no
08:51other way
08:53other than political dialogue.
08:55In a democratic
08:57constitutional
08:59country,
09:01as long as
09:03the opposition and treasury
09:05do not sit together,
09:07the issues
09:09will not be resolved.
09:11The issue is that
09:13if you sit down and talk,
09:15the establishment is a reality of this country.
09:17It will be taken on board.
09:19It should be taken on board.
09:21And are you sure
09:23that your political commitment
09:25will honour the establishment?
09:27Yes,
09:29absolutely.
09:31I am assuming
09:33that
09:35there is no chance
09:37that
09:39political parties
09:41like the People's Party,
09:43other small parties,
09:45PMLN,
09:47have formed a committee
09:49to create
09:51consensus between parties
09:53regarding the 26th
09:55constitutional amendment.
09:57If such a committee is formed,
09:59if there is a discussion,
10:01the results of that discussion
10:03will be discussed
10:05by the other stakeholders
10:07of this country.
10:09The establishment
10:11will also have to take
10:13on board.
10:15You have mentioned
10:17that we are not allowed
10:19to meet for 1.5-2 hours.
10:21Sometimes we are not even allowed
10:23to meet.
10:25Do you find anything unusual
10:27in this?
10:31I am not sure,
10:33but as a political
10:35worker,
10:37the PTI
10:39has more experience
10:41in social media
10:43than us.
10:45They have
10:47more experience
10:49in social media
10:51than us.
10:53They have
10:55more experience
10:57in social media
10:59than us.
11:01They have
11:03given a wrong call.
11:05They are not prepared.
11:07They do not
11:09run movements like this.
11:11No MNA
11:13can bring 10,000 people
11:15from his circle,
11:17nor can he bring 5,000 people.
11:19To bring 20,000 people
11:21from one circle,
11:23i.e. 5,000-5,000 MPA
11:25and 10,000 MNA,
11:27at least 500-600 buses
11:29are required
11:31to bring 20,000 people.
11:33At least 20 buses
11:35are required for 1,000 people.
11:37More than 50 people cannot
11:39be brought.
11:41Tell me,
11:43even if people are present,
11:45you cannot bring them.
11:47I agree.
11:49According to this calculation,
11:5160,000 people are required
11:53from three circles.
11:55Bring 40,000 people
11:57from the whole of Pakistan
11:59to a place in Islamabad
12:01near D-Chowk.
12:03There is a tension
12:05for the government.
12:07There is a tension
12:09for the government.
12:37There is a tension
12:39for the government.
12:41There is a tension
12:43for the government.
12:45There is a tension
12:47for the government.
12:49There is a tension
12:51for the government.
12:53There is a tension
12:55for the government.
12:57There is a tension
12:59for the government.
13:01There is a tension
13:03for the government.
13:05There is a tension
13:07for the government.
13:09There is a tension
13:11for the government.
13:13There is a tension
13:15for the government.
13:17because of the wrong steps, the PTI is favoured.
13:22There are more containers than necessary,
13:24there is more crackdown than necessary.
13:26Or do you think it was handled properly?
13:28The last PTI program, was it handled properly
13:30or was it a little mishandled by the government?
13:32In your opinion?
13:33No, there were some shortcomings.
13:37The first thing you said was that
13:40there were more containers than necessary.
13:43So, when an event like this happens,
13:48the policy and the basics are discussed in the Cabinet.
13:54The Prime Minister approves it,
13:57and the institutions implement it.
14:00So, I think this matter was handled very carefully.
14:08Did the Prime Minister approve it last time
14:10or was it handled by the Ministry of Internal Affairs?
14:15No, these things were discussed,
14:18but some things were accessed.
14:23The fact that they were allowed to come to D-Chowk,
14:28that was also inappropriate in our view.
14:32But when the administration,
14:34when a force is present on the ground,
14:39then some things are in its own discretion.
14:44That he said, let me go to D-Chowk,
14:49after that I will not sit there,
14:52I will leave from there and go to the KPK house,
14:55and from there I will go back to Peshawar.
14:58So, they came together and reached here.
15:03If they had come together,
15:05then why did the police and the rangers go to the KPK house?
15:08They were breaking glasses there,
15:09that we have to find Ali Amin.
15:10If they had gone from the setting,
15:12then why were they saying that we are going to the KPK house to find Ali Amin?
15:15Or was this also a part of the setting?
15:17This was all part of it.
15:21Okay, fine.
15:24By the way, today,
15:26Brother Mansar Abbasi has put out a news,
15:28a very lead story in the Rojnama war.
15:30Do you confirm it or deny it?
15:32It is said that there was a high-level contact between the government and the PTI.
15:35The initial contact was positive.
15:37And if the matter goes further,
15:39then the protest will also go ahead.
15:41Has there been any such contact initiated by the government?
15:43See, the government's contact,
15:46the government is also ready for political dialogue.
15:49The government's contact was also in the 26th amendment.
15:55The parliamentary committee was a very big and top-level source of contact.
16:04The speaker's office is also there at all times.
16:12We are also there.
16:14We keep talking to each other.
16:16But no one has any say in this matter.
16:25Do you know, Brother Mansar Abbasi,
16:29if there has been any high-level contact between the government and Imran Khan?
16:33They say it is at the highest level.
16:35The highest level in the PTI is Imran Khan.
16:37Who else is there?
16:40If there has been any contact with Imran Khan,
16:43then it must have been with Ali Ameen Ghandapur.
16:47And he went there this morning.
16:50But what I have analysed,
16:56that if it is just a promise,
16:59that there will be discussions with you,
17:01that you want to postpone it,
17:03then you should understand that they have to postpone it.
17:07It is just an excuse.
17:09And as far as their demands are concerned,
17:12that they should come to our place and we should go and sit there,
17:15then this is not possible.
17:17This will be a little difficult.
17:19But there are some other characters too,
17:22who are very unique in this whole system, Mr. Rana.
17:24Like Mr. Mohsin Naqvi,
17:26about whom you yourself have made a lot of noise,
17:29that thank God he did not say that I will become a minister,
17:31otherwise he would have been appointed to that position.
17:33In the same order, there is a man named Mr. Faisal Wawda.
17:37Nowadays, he is harassing the PTI,
17:39but he is not sparing you at all.
17:41Yesterday, he said in our program that Mr. Badami
17:43is the worst of the worst.
17:46And I say to this government,
17:48that for the sake of Allah, do one favour,
17:50do one thing, do nothing.
17:52Go home and sleep, we will handle it,
17:54let the PTI come, we will see what we have to do.
17:56Now, according to your own statements,
17:58we do not know, we are small people,
18:00according to your own statements,
18:02if you say so, then you are representing some other quarter.
18:05So, Mr. Wawda's constant harassment of the government,
18:07does this mean that you are being harassed by someone else,
18:09through Faisal Wawda?
18:11No, no.
18:13Look, Mr. Wawda has a lot of services,
18:16and he is by no means less than Mohsin Naqvi.
18:22So, the government,
18:24the government has not yet been able to make a positive decision about him.
18:30So, at least give them some authority,
18:32so that they can vent their frustration,
18:36if they don't even do this, then what will they do?
18:39So, you should listen to them,
18:41otherwise if someone says something to you,
18:43and then you listen to them, then what?
18:45Look, I am personally in favour of Faisal Wawda.
18:51Okay, thank Allah.
18:53But Mr. Wawda says,
18:55I will become a minister, Mr. Rana, please.
18:57Look at this too.
18:59No, no, he won't say that.
19:01Okay.
19:02So, do you want Mr. Mian's approval,
19:04to give Mr. Wawda a position, or what?
19:08I think we will have to think about this,
19:11otherwise Mr. Wawda is very angry right now.
19:16You will recommend Mr. Mian,
19:18that Mr. Mian, please,
19:20one more time, what happened?
19:22Yes, I recommended Mr. Wawda,
19:25when he was in PTI.
19:27Okay, fine.
19:29And Mr. Rana,
19:31Mr. Javed Lateef's statements,
19:33in your opinion,
19:35are they a problem for you?
19:37He is continuously saying one thing,
19:39you should watch his 12-month-long talk shows.
19:41He says,
19:43Imran Khan's facilitators are still present in the institution,
19:45and they are facilitating Mr. Khan.
19:47Mr. Javed Lateef is angry,
19:49because he was left out in the election.
19:51Give him a position,
19:53then what?
19:56The situation is still the same.
19:59Because,
20:01the institution,
20:03the institution he is talking about,
20:05has no place in the world,
20:09in its discipline.
20:11There, how it is possible,
20:13it is not possible,
20:15that there,
20:17the institution's policy,
20:20the position adopted by its chief,
20:24or the line and length of it,
20:26no one else has the courage,
20:28to look left and right.
20:30And,
20:32the concept of accountability,
20:34and accountability there,
20:36after General Faiz Hamid's
20:38nomination,
20:40now,
20:42does anyone have any doubt?
20:44So,
20:46when you are talking about Mr. Wawda,
20:48so, when you are talking about Mr. Wawda,
20:50so, if you feel,
20:52Mr. Javed Lateef,
20:54so that your issue is also on one side,
20:56if you have less other issues,
20:58then you can open this issue also.
21:00Is this suggestion acceptable?
21:02No, this suggestion is acceptable,
21:04the matter is also acceptable,
21:06but it should not be so,
21:08that it becomes a tradition,
21:10that we take care of these two,
21:12that we start taking out all these cars,
21:14that we should also be accommodated.
21:16If 10-20 more come,
21:18then it will be a problem.
21:20It should not be a problem,
21:22this is another issue.
21:24In this sequence, there is a third issue also,
21:26that is of People's Party.
21:28First, the news came from Zarae,
21:30and when we checked,
21:32we came to know that Bilawal himself
21:34has given this news somewhere,
21:36that yes, let's run the news,
21:38that news came from Zarae,
21:40Bilawal Bhutto is angry,
21:42then Bilawal Bhutto himself came to Manziram,
21:44then Nadeem Afzal Chand got angry,
21:46he even said,
21:48the tweet of Noon League,
21:50about Hassan Nawaz's Diwali,
21:52in that he said,
21:54this sequence started,
21:56when Bhutto started nationalizing,
21:58then Chand sir said,
22:00what was the need to bring Bhutto sir in this,
22:02and whatever you are doing here,
22:04it is the same in London also,
22:06have some shame.
22:08Today, the Governor of Punjab
22:10again told you that Noon League
22:12is firing you.
22:14No, no,
22:16he is angry.
22:18What does he want?
22:20There are some things in that,
22:22that,
22:24that anger,
22:26I think,
22:28we have also made some mistakes.
22:30Okay.
22:32So, with him,
22:34the program was made by the Prime Minister,
22:36Mr. Dar has been appointed,
22:38so,
22:40one or two of our colleagues
22:42are also with him,
22:44so we will sit with them,
22:46and will remove their anger.
22:48Their anger is such that,
22:50it will be removed.
22:52There is no such dangerous
22:54anger,
22:56but anyway,
22:58Whatever they want,
23:00it is in your control,
23:02there is no problem.
23:04Yes, yes.
23:06Mr. Rana, one or two last things,
23:08Mr. Fazlur Rehman,
23:10Sheikh Waqar,
23:12is the secretary of PTI,
23:14he is the official spokesperson,
23:16he insulted Mr. Rana in our program,
23:18two days ago,
23:20he said that we are the opposition party,
23:22and vote for the government on 26th,
23:24and he is afraid of going out on the streets,
23:26and his interests, his compulsion,
23:28and on the other hand,
23:30Mohsin Naqvi,
23:32today Mr. Rana reached Mr. Fazlur Rehman's house,
23:34he said that you played a great role on 26th,
23:36and now you are insulting Mr. Rana,
23:38on his role on 26th,
23:40and Mohsin Naqvi is praising him,
23:42that means, on 26th,
23:44Mr. Rana supported you.
23:48Both things are wrong,
23:50in my opinion,
23:52Mohsin Naqvi,
23:54doesn't need to be praised,
23:56his praises,
23:58are misinterpreted.
24:00Yes.
24:02And,
24:04as Mr. Waqas Akram said,
24:06it is completely wrong,
24:08it is baseless.
24:10Mr. Fazlur Rehman,
24:12regarding the 26th amendment,
24:14he said,
24:16you should believe that
24:18he gave the government a tough time,
24:20you should see our original constitution,
24:24and after that,
24:26the 26th amendment,
24:28you should see that constitution.
24:30All those efforts,
24:32all the consensus that was made,
24:34in that,
24:36the role of
24:38Maulana Fazlur Rehman,
24:40or he collaborated with him,
24:42Mr. Balawal Bhutto Zardari,
24:44he worked with him,
24:46in that.
24:48And this is the constitution,
24:50on which PTI,
24:52allied with him.
24:54This constitution,
24:56PTI and Maulana Fazlur Rehman's legal team,
24:58made it together.
25:00You are saying that PTI,
25:02does not have the moral right,
25:04to criticize Maulana Fazlur Rehman.
25:06No, they did not have the moral right,
25:08to not vote.
25:10When they,
25:12allied with him,
25:14and that alliance,
25:16Maulana Fazlur Rehman,
25:18talked to,
25:20Mr. Balawal Bhutto Zardari,
25:22there,
25:24there was a consensus,
25:26with 19-20 people,
25:28and then Mr. Balawal Bhutto Zardari,
25:30discussed it with the government,
25:32and there was an agreement on it.
25:34So, in that,
25:36PTI should have voted.
25:38PTI,
25:40did injustice to Maulana Fazlur Rehman.
25:42And now,
25:44we are criticizing them.
25:46This is completely wrong.
25:48Otherwise, if the original constitution,
25:50had been approved,
25:52Imran Khan's military trial,
25:54would have been easier.
25:56Look,
25:58in the original constitution,
26:00there were some things,
26:02that,
26:04you,
26:06and Imran Khan,
26:08you don't have to name names,
26:10but anyway,
26:12in the original constitution,
26:14there was a concept of a military course.
26:16Sir, one last thing, Mr. Rana,
26:18are you sure that on the 24th,
26:20if one or the other protest is cancelled,
26:22that is a different matter,
26:24that there will be some chaos,
26:26here a shell, there a container,
26:28and by the evening of the 25th,
26:30everything will be back to normal.
26:32Are you sure about it?
26:34Absolutely.
26:36In one or two days,
26:38there will be some chaos,
26:40and after that,
26:42this matter will be completely over.
26:44And then, they will keep finding excuses,
26:46that this didn't happen, that didn't happen,
26:48they did this, they did that.
26:50The government caught us,
26:52the government has to catch us,
26:54the government has to stop us,
26:56the government has to help us.
26:58So, this will be their flop program,
27:00and in this,
27:02basically,
27:04without any preparation,
27:06they gave such a call,
27:08and said, you bring 5000,
27:10you bring 10,000.
27:12Nothing will happen.
27:14Thank you very much, Rana Sanawallah.
27:16Bhai sir, the PM of Pakistan
27:18was talking to us in political and public affairs,
27:20and interestingly,
27:22in the last protest,
27:24Rana Sanawallah was saying,
27:26that Ali Amin and the administration
27:28had decided that I will come to D-Chowk,
27:30and then I will go to KPK,
27:32that's why the administration let me go.
27:34So I asked, did the police go to KPK?
27:36Did they go to catch Ali Amin?
27:38They said, that was also a set-up.
27:40But they shouldn't have let him come to D-Chowk.
27:42Let's see what happens.
27:44After a break,
27:46we will talk about Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
27:48He is the head of the policy think-tank.
27:50We will ask Rahu Fasan,
27:52Rana sir has already spoken,
27:54we will ask Rahu Fasan,
27:56has there been any contact
27:58between the government and the PTI?
28:00And is there a possibility
28:02that the call on the 24th gets cancelled?
28:04And a few more things, after a break.
28:06Welcome back,
28:08let's go back to the previous segment.
28:10We spoke to Mr. Javed Lateef,
28:12and we were discussing this in the previous segment,
28:14and he said that
28:16in this regard,
28:18he had the opportunity
28:20on several occasions
28:22to get a position.
28:24He said that
28:26in this regard,
28:28he had the opportunity
28:30on several occasions
28:32to get a position.
28:34A person gets nobody
28:36on one of these occasions.
28:38This was never done on any recommendation.
28:40This was never done on any recommendation.
28:42And their position is that
28:44by taking a position,
28:46more than once,
28:48there will be serious
28:54issues with the government.
28:56Now let's talk about
28:58the APEC committee that has
29:00been established on this platform.
29:02and many other relevant people are also present there.
29:05Now, the situation is such that the statement from the Army Chief is also very meaningful.
29:12In addition to various things, it also means that in terms of security,
29:17in terms of internal security, if anyone creates any obstacle, it will be properly eliminated.
29:23And by giving the martyrdoms of our youth, we have to remove the shortcomings of governance.
29:29This is what the Army Chief of Pakistan, General Asim Muneer, says.
29:37Now, obviously, today there was a situation in which Asim Muneer Sahib was also present
29:42and along with other colleagues, Ali Amin Ghandapur Sahib was also present.
29:46He had said, he had also given the impression that,
29:48Sir, I will talk about the situation that is facing us with the leadership of the Army.
29:55What did he say in today's meeting?
29:58Related minister, Mr. Defence Minister Khwaja Asif Sahib, what did he say in this regard?
30:02See this.
30:04He said lightly that our Pakistan is not being allowed.
30:10The permission of the Jalsa and my leader has been imprisoned for a year and a half.
30:14He said that he has no sin, he has no crime, he has been imprisoned.
30:19He said 99% things about terrorism in his province.
30:24I think he has just summarized both of these things.
30:29He says that this is not the only development.
30:32Now, we have to ask the PTI, what is happening in the PTI camps?
30:36Will there be a protest on 24th? Or is there a better chance of the protest moving forward?
30:39But in this, you see, the governor of Sindh, Mr. Kamran Tesori and Mr. Faisal Wawda,
30:44in what words are they expressing this opinion that perhaps there will be no program on 24th?
30:48This program will be cancelled, history will move forward.
30:51It will not be a matter of surprise that if this protest is postponed,
30:57in the next five days.
30:59Before 24th November, on 23rd November there will be a notice
31:04that this caravan that is being assembled, this big show that is being done,
31:09it will be cancelled from the jail for some reason.
31:14So, according to my information, they themselves are going to cancel this Jalsa.
31:19Anything can happen.
31:21According to Governor Sindh's information, the Jalsa is being cancelled on 23rd November.
31:26Let's see what happens.
31:27But on the other hand, what did Imran Khan's sister, Mr. Aleema Khan, say today?
31:32What did Mr. Khan say to his minister, Mr. Ali Amin Ghandapur,
31:37about talking to him before 24th November?
31:42Today, Ali Amin Ghandapur came to Barrister Gauhar.
31:45He asked for permission to start a protest.
31:50Imran Khan said, yes, political parties always keep their doors open.
31:54If Imran Khan gets bail tomorrow, Imran Khan himself will lead the protest on 24th November.
32:02The three-point agenda that he has been saying from the beginning is this.
32:05Rule of law.
32:06Secondly, the vote that has been stolen should be returned.
32:10Thirdly, the innocent people who are in prison should be released.
32:15He has given time till Friday night.
32:17He said that if the stolen mandate is returned during the protest,
32:22then it will be converted into a celebration on 24th November.
32:27And I am giving references to this newspaper again and again.
32:29Anzara Abbasi's news is that there has been a high-level contact between the government and Pakistan.
32:34And there is an attempt for a breakthrough.
32:36And if the protests are successful, then the protest will continue on 24th November.
32:39What is the situation of all this?
32:41What is being done in the PTI camps?
32:43Pakistan is the leader in this.
32:45He is also the head of the PTI's policy think tank.
32:47Mr. Rauf Hassan is with us.
32:50Mr. Rauf, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
32:53Assalam-o-Alaikum, my brother. How are you? Are you fine?
32:55Sir, I am absolutely fine, Alhamdulillah.
32:57How are you?
32:58May Allah bless you.
33:00Thank you very much for your time, sir.
33:02Sir, first of all, tell us, at a time when the preparations for 24th November were in full swing,
33:07this statement by Ms. Aleema Khan, in which she confirmed that Mr. Ghandapur and Mr. Gaurav,
33:12obviously, both are very high-profile people,
33:14they kind of asked Mr. Khan for permission to contact them.
33:18Mr. Khan said, yes, definitely.
33:20So, what can we say about this?
33:22Is there a policy shift?
33:24Or is there an attempt that if that situation does not arise, then it is better?
33:30How will you interpret this development today?
33:35Thank you, Basim, once again.
33:36Thank you very much.
33:37See, the problem is that as far as the call for 24th is concerned, that call is in place.
33:43There is no change in that.
33:46Now, with this establishment, you know that in the system of dialogue,
33:51Mr. Khan had said this a long time ago, in fact, he had also formed a team.
33:57You know, I have said this in some of your programs and in many other programs,
34:04that ultimately, the solution to all problems is dialogue.
34:07And who has to have a dialogue?
34:09Dialogue has to be with those who have the power.
34:12Because there is no point in having a dialogue with anyone else,
34:17because they cannot reciprocate.
34:20They are not capable of coming to any kind of agreement.
34:25Although, sir, I am cutting you off.
34:27I remember there was a statement from Adiala that now I am stopping talking to the establishment.
34:31Then you said in our program, you were running the secretary at that time,
34:34you said, ultimately, there has to be dialogue, ultimately.
34:36On which some of your party workers were also angry at that time on social media.
34:40But the same thing is happening today, which you rightly pointed out,
34:43that are you ready to talk today?
34:45See, I know Mr. Khan's mind.
34:48He is always in favor of a political party.
34:51And he has sometimes said, Mr. Basim,
34:54we are a political party and as a result of being a political party,
34:57we can never refuse dialogue.
34:59We can never refute dialogue.
35:02So, on this basis, I was based on my policy of dialogue.
35:07Yes, you are absolutely right that I had to face criticism.
35:11And some people had also asked questions to Mr. Khan in this system.
35:16So, that has passed.
35:18So, dialogue, see, every life, if you talk about fighting,
35:23then you know that the fight also ends at the end of the day,
35:26on the negotiating table, where there is truce, armistice,
35:30you know, there is agreement, whatever happens.
35:33So, I...
35:34But sir, practically speaking, do you think that this will not lead to a weakness?
35:39Because, practically speaking, it seems almost impossible, right?
35:43Or not?
35:44See, where I have always been convinced of dialogue,
35:47my think tank also works for peace, for peace,
35:51there I am also convinced of the fact that dialogue should never be used
35:56as an excuse to say that,
35:58you know, this is not right, this is not right,
36:01this is not right, this is not right,
36:03this is not right, this is not right,
36:05this is not right, this is not right,
36:07this is not right, this is not right,
36:09this is not right, this is not right,
36:11there I am also convinced of the fact that
36:13dialogue should never be considered a weakness.
36:16Dialogue, in fact, is a strength,
36:18is a strength, reflects confidence,
36:20that yes, we know that we are on the right path,
36:23our stance is right,
36:25the stand we have taken is right,
36:27but along with that,
36:29as a political party,
36:31it has to carry the other stakeholders along with it,
36:35and it should.
36:36So, in this context, I feel that no,
36:39Mr. Waseem, this is not a weakness,
36:41but I feel that this is a sign of maturity.
36:44But sir, how much chance do you have of being initiated and then successful?
36:50See, it should have been initiated a long time ago,
36:54I also said this in your program,
36:56that instead of being yesterday, do it today,
36:58instead of being today, it should have been yesterday,
37:01so even now, without wasting any time,
37:03it should be initiated.
37:05When it is initiated, then the results will come out,
37:08if you want me to speculate here that it will take two days, two weeks or two months,
37:12then I will not do that.
37:14For 27 years, the crisis in Ireland was going on,
37:17you know, terrorism was also going on there,
37:19and back-channel diplomacy, back-channel dialogue was also going on,
37:22for 27 years.
37:24So, I am not saying that we will take 27 years,
37:26the issues of this country, the situation at the moment,
37:29they believe in immediate, immediate,
37:32they ask for a solution immediately.
37:35Consequently, if dialogue starts,
37:37then I think that very quickly,
37:39and there is no confusion in this,
37:41what is the purpose of dialogue?
37:43Dialogue is only to be done in the sense that
37:45all the state institutions of Pakistan,
37:48they will have to operate within their own limits.
37:51When this happens,
37:52then I think that all the other issues
37:54will also move towards a solution.
37:56Sir, on this basis,
37:57Pakistan's big daily,
37:59its main headline,
38:01in Jalli Haroof,
38:03Ansar Abbasi writes, and I quote,
38:05Hukumat PTI Aala Satha, Aala Sathai Raapta,
38:08Mumkina Breakthrough Ki Koshish,
38:10Muzakarat Kamiyab Huye,
38:11Toh 24 November Ke Ittajat Multa Bhi Ho Sakta Hai,
38:14Dekin Muzakarat Mein Shamil Afraat Ke Naam Afsha Huye,
38:16Toh Establishment Aur PTI Mein Mufahamat Ki Koshish Bekar Ho Sakti Hai,
38:20Aap Isko Confirm,
38:22Ya Deny Karte Hain?
38:24When I read this in the morning,
38:26I get up and read in the newspaper,
38:28I read at least 5-6 newspapers in the morning,
38:30holding it in my hand,
38:31I am an old man,
38:32till I don't get a newspaper in my hand,
38:34I don't enjoy reading newspapers,
38:36So when I read it, I said,
38:37Here it goes,
38:38Again,
38:39Ansar Abbasi Saab Ki Ek Khas Reputation Hai,
38:41Ke Woh Aise Waqton Ke Woopar,
38:44Woh Ajeeb Apna Raag Alapte Hain,
38:47Yeh Sirf Aur Sirf,
38:49Subah Ke Waqt,
38:50Jab Main Yeh Padh Raha Tha,
38:52Toh Main Isko,
38:53Dialogue Ko,
38:55Humara Jo,
38:5724 Ka Protest Hai,
38:58Usko Sabotage Karne Ki Ek Koshish Jo Hai,
39:01Ho Jaana Tha,
39:02Aur Hai Bhi Wahi Hai,
39:03Kyun Ke Ansar Abbasi Saab Ki,
39:05Aaj Tak Ki Jitni Bhi Projections,
39:06Predictions Hai,
39:07Aur Badami Saab,
39:08Agar Aap Kehenge,
39:09Toh Main Khas Ek Program,
39:10Kar Lunga Aapke Saath,
39:11Is Basle Ke Woopar,
39:12Usmein Se,
39:13Aap Mujhe Ek Bhi Bata Dijiye,
39:14Jo Ke Theek Hui Hai,
39:15Jo Theek Sabit Hui Hai,
39:16Yeh Sarah,
39:17Agenda Items Hoti Hain,
39:18Jinko Yeh Project Karte Hain,
39:19Bilkul Nahin,
39:20Aisi Koi Baat Nahin Thi,
39:21Maujood,
39:22Aur,
39:23Ab,
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39:25Agar Dialogue Ki Tarah,
39:26Badenge,
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