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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum viewers, you are watching Kashif Abbasi with Tariq-e-Insaaf.
00:28Tariq-e-Insaaf is preparing for a last showdown.
00:30It will be a do or die as per Tariq-e-Insaaf.
00:34But before we see what will happen, whether their leadership is ready,
00:39whether this is more of a do or die,
00:42let's take a tour of London and Geneva.
00:45Let's take a look at the political situation of Mian Sahib in London.
00:51He also addressed a workers' convention.
00:54It seems that it is safer to address the workers' convention in London than in Pakistan.
01:00In Pakistan, Mian Sahib is silent on political issues.
01:04He is not seen.
01:05Maybe that's why.
01:07But now it seems that Pakistan is a safer place for Mian Sahib.
01:12A safer place.
01:13When we go to London or Geneva, a Pakistani takes out his phone,
01:18turns on the camera and starts saying something.
01:22We have seen the strictest choice of words in many places.
01:27But mostly we see that criticism is made in very harsh words.
01:33Voices are strained.
01:35Slogans are raised.
01:36People stand outside his house, outside Evanfield,
01:40and raise slogans like this with loudspeakers.
01:43But why?
01:44What is the reason?
01:46I think this decision has never been made by the Muslim League.
01:51I was listening to Mian Sahib yesterday and the day before yesterday.
01:54He said that the opposition has made this nation ill-mannered.
01:58The opposition has not taught any manners to its people.
02:01Maybe this is true.
02:02Imran Khan must be very ill-mannered.
02:04He must have used harsh language in front of his voters.
02:08But I was watching yesterday's footage.
02:10In which on one side, his opposition-trained voter or supporter is standing.
02:15He is also abusing Mian Sahib like your people are abusing him.
02:18This is an unimportant debate.
02:21After all, why is this happening?
02:24Mian Sahib, this is happening because you have not been able to convince the people of this country.
02:30You have not been able to convince them of many things.
02:33This is the job of a politician.
02:36This is the responsibility of a politician.
02:38This is the foundation of politics.
02:40That with transparency and transparency,
02:43you have to tell your voters that if they want to ask you a question,
02:48you have to be able to convince them in a transparent manner.
02:52With your answer.
02:54But here, if you look at the incidents after 2016,
02:59it seems that the voters have been told that this is my answer and you will have to accept it.
03:04And if you don't accept it, of course, there is a lot of anger from your side.
03:10Mian Sahib, till 2015, the most accepted Jamaat in Pakistan was the Muslim League.
03:16Maybe that's why Imran Khan had to make deals.
03:19Because to defeat you, all the deals were needed.
03:22Otherwise, you were the most accepted Jamaat in Pakistan.
03:26It was you who said that I will give the right to vote to Pakistanis abroad.
03:32And they should get the right to vote.
03:34Because you were the most accepted leader of Pakistanis abroad at that time.
03:38But a journey from there to here has been decided in the last few years.
03:42You will have to see that journey as well.
03:45How did you reach here?
03:47Panama.
03:49People didn't believe it.
03:51But after Panama, they didn't get any answer.
03:54I don't go into details, everyone knows the details.
03:57But do people still know who owns this apartment in Heavenfield?
04:02People still don't know.
04:04This means that you didn't give them an answer.
04:07You didn't satisfy them.
04:09You put the slogan of giving respect to votes.
04:11After Heavenfield and Panama, people still voted for you in the 2018 elections.
04:17And in the 2018 elections in Punjab, the Muslim League came out as the biggest party.
04:23Then what did you do?
04:25You made the same deals again, against which you kept preparing these people.
04:31In the 2024 election of 8th February, you took such a government.
04:36You became a part of such a parliament that you shouldn't have been a part of.
04:40You lost the election.
04:42This means, let's put aside the economic matters of Mr. Mian.
04:46Any principle, any morality on which leaders stand.
04:51And people believe in them.
04:53They want to follow them.
04:56This is the relationship of a leader with his voters.
05:01Unfortunately, you couldn't build this relationship with your voters.
05:05Or this relationship broke down after 2016.
05:11And the reason for that, as I said, instead of looking at yourself,
05:15that maybe you made a mistake.
05:17That you kept compromising.
05:20You made decisions in anger.
05:22You didn't find it appropriate to tell them.
05:24You kept making deals.
05:26Instead of looking this way, you started breaking the glass.
05:29You said, these people are bad.
05:31There is no problem.
05:32Even now, when you were addressing the workers' convention,
05:34Mr. Mian, they are the same people who were trapped in Pakistan before 2017.
05:38I was removed. I was removed from the ministry of economy.
05:41I was banned from the parliament.
05:44I was removed from the leadership of the party.
05:47But Mr. Mian, have you forgotten about Pakistan after 2022?
05:52You can't forget, but you don't want to.
05:55Because all those allegations that you are putting up till 2016-2017,
06:00you should become a part of those allegations against your opponents.
06:04Maybe this is the reason,
06:06what you see a lot, what we see,
06:10the people of Pakistan are also more angry because they see the state of the country.
06:14People can't pay the electricity bill today.
06:19Maybe because of the deteriorating state of this country,
06:22people are more angry.
06:24And where does that anger come from?
06:26Who do they think is responsible?
06:28You can see this on the streets of London and Geneva.
06:31Not only there, you can also see it in the ballot box in Pakistan.
06:35But now, on the other hand,
06:37Tariq-e-Insaf has announced a protest on November 24.
06:43A protest is the right of any political party.
06:46And it is the beauty of any democratic system
06:48that when the opponent disagrees with something,
06:51they come out to protest.
06:53And political parties do this all over the world.
06:55There are protests, big protests.
06:58People express their anger and dissatisfaction.
07:03But there is a luxury in Pakistan.
07:05If you get permission to protest in Pakistan, it's good.
07:09But the government does not allow its opponents to protest.
07:14And there are similar situations in Pakistan.
07:18Tariq-e-Insaf was allowed to protest in the last two years.
07:23Jalsas and Jaloos were allowed.
07:25But especially after 9th May,
07:27the ways of protest for Tariq-e-Insaf have been closed.
07:31Will Tariq-e-Insaf, which is doing do or die,
07:37be successful or will it be in trouble for the next 6 months?
07:44We will talk about this in today's program.
07:47We have Fawad Chaudhary with us.
07:49Let's see if Tariq-e-Insaf will do or die.
07:52What will Tariq-e-Insaf do?
07:54Fawad Sahab, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
07:56Assalam-o-Alaikum.
08:00Fawad Sahab, what do you think will happen?
08:02There is a call for Tariq-e-Insaf.
08:04You have been a big critic of Tariq-e-Insaf
08:06that Tariq-e-Insaf has not done anything special
08:08to get Imran Khan out.
08:10What do you think will happen on 24th November?
08:15The criticism will increase.
08:17And the call that has been given,
08:20it is obvious that Imran Khan has given it.
08:23There are 2-3 interesting things in it.
08:26For the first time,
08:28since Bushra Bibi has been released,
08:31the criticism towards the establishment
08:34seems to have reduced.
08:37And the target towards the political parties
08:40has increased.
08:42The demands that have come,
08:44these are political demands.
08:46There has been no criticism towards the army chief
08:49or any other establishment.
08:55On the other hand,
08:57after the 26th amendment,
08:59in the country,
09:01first Imran Khan had hopes
09:03that he will get relief from the Supreme Court
09:06and the courts or the law.
09:08Now he feels that this will not be possible.
09:11Therefore, he has given a call for the public.
09:14Politics.
09:16But how much is the American election
09:19important to this call?
09:21How important is the linkage?
09:23There is no linkage in your opinion.
09:25No, the linkage of the American election is there.
09:28It may not be from this call,
09:30but there is a linkage from Pakistan.
09:32Till now, the South Asian team,
09:34the president of the United States,
09:36has not come in front of us.
09:38But I think that the pace at which
09:40they are moving forward,
09:42that team will also come in front.
09:44And if people like Zalmay Khalilzad
09:46or the former NSA,
09:48or people like O'Brien,
09:50will come in front of Afghanistan,
09:53then it is obvious that
09:55it will have a big impact
09:57on Pakistan's politics.
09:59The team that has come so far,
10:01Zalmay Khalilzad's team,
10:03their main focus is on China.
10:05And the focus of the Chinese team
10:07has been seen so far.
10:09But we will see that the team
10:11that is being formed on South Asia,
10:13which people will be affected by it.
10:15And we will see that the team
10:17that is being formed on South Asia,
10:19which people will be affected by it.
10:22But tell me, do or die?
10:24Do you think it will be do or die, Mr. Fawad?
10:29I can't say if it will be do or die,
10:31but it is certain that
10:33Pakistan's politics is very fragile.
10:35Pakistan's politics is very fragile.
10:37Despite the fact that the 26th
10:39constitutional amendment has come,
10:41the 27th, the 28th,
10:43the 27th, the 28th,
10:45there is no order in Pakistan's politics.
10:47there is no order in Pakistan's politics.
10:49There is no order in Pakistan's politics.
10:51And even a small event can shake the government.
10:53And even a small event can shake the government.
10:55Now, here, Imran Khan's
10:57Now, here, Imran Khan's
10:59ideal situation was that
11:01he would have announced
11:03an alliance, this call of do or die.
11:05If Maulana Fazlur Rahman would have been included,
11:07if Maulana Fazlur Rahman would have been included,
11:09if the Islamic Jamaat would have been included,
11:11if the GDA would have been included,
11:13then it would have been a very difficult
11:15situation for the government.
11:17Now, this PTI is doing it alone.
11:19Now, this PTI is doing it alone.
11:21See, there is no take-all in parliamentary politics.
11:23See, there is no take-all in parliamentary politics.
11:25The problem of PTI is that
11:27when the movement should have been
11:29started on 9th February,
11:31see, the movement was not started on 9th February
11:33and it has caused a huge loss
11:35to the justice system.
11:37Now, the alliance that could not be formed,
11:39its loss,
11:41even though the Islamic Jamaat has a huge loss,
11:43even though the Islamic Jamaat has a huge loss,
11:45the Islamic Jamaat has done
11:47effective protests in Karachi,
11:49the Islamic Jamaat has done effective protests in Karachi,
11:51but when they came to Pindi alone
11:53but when they came to Pindi alone
11:55and protested on electricity,
11:57you know and I know
11:59how many appeals they made
12:01to end their protest.
12:03Similarly, JUI...
12:05Similarly, JUI...
12:07Similarly, JUI...
12:09Similarly, JUI...
12:11I am sure that no Jamaat can agree
12:13that the elections were stolen.
12:15Mr. Saulana's issue is there or not.
12:17He also says that
12:19he has to work with them.
12:21The Islamic Jamaat is also like that.
12:23But tell me,
12:25do you think it will be difficult for the government?
12:27There are two ways.
12:29If it is successful,
12:31then the government will go
12:33and get a mandate,
12:35the 26th amendment will be reversed,
12:37whatever their demands are.
12:39If the justice system fails,
12:41then the government will go.
12:43One second, I will tell you.
12:45See, Mr. Fazal Rehman
12:47or the Islamic Jamaat
12:49or Pir Pagada are not running an NGO.
12:51They are running political parties.
12:53They are doing politics.
12:55So, you have to make
12:57something according to their political demands.
12:59So, you have to make something according to their political demands.
13:01They will make something
13:03according to their political demands.
13:05As I said, there is no take-all
13:07in parliamentary democracy.
13:09There should have been an alliance.
13:11And the loss of not having an alliance
13:13is affecting the PTI itself.
13:15You are right.
13:17If Maulana's chief power was with them,
13:19then Tariq-e-Insaab would have been great.
13:21You are absolutely right.
13:23Then it would have been over.
13:25Now, you are saying that there will be a big loss.
13:27See, what is the loss for the opposition?
13:29Imran Khan is in jail,
13:31the PTI.
13:33What does it mean for Tariq-e-Insaab?
13:35What does it mean for Tariq-e-Insaab?
13:37What does it mean for Tariq-e-Insaab?
13:39There is no meaning.
13:41If Tariq-e-Insaab fails,
13:43the government will give another issue next month.
13:45The problem is that
13:47what is the loss for the PTI?
13:49Imran Khan is in jail.
13:51All the workers are in jail every day.
13:53How much more will it go down?
13:55Thousands of workers are in jail every day.
13:57How much more will it go down?
13:59We are suffering from anti-terrorism
14:01cases in the courts.
14:03Now, we have to shoot more than this.
14:05Now, we have to shoot more than this.
14:07Obviously, what is the loss for the PTI?
14:09This will definitely increase the instability
14:11in politics.
14:13If I am in the government,
14:15then my effort should be
14:17to see stability.
14:19The country should be seen as normal.
14:21Unfortunately, the government
14:23takes such steps every day
14:25that the political
14:27allowance in the country
14:29gets more heated.
14:31So, the job of the government is
14:33to make the government
14:35be more stable
14:37to bring in business
14:39and investment into the country.
14:41Such actions are put in place
14:43because of the interference
14:45of the government.
14:47Let's say,
14:49on the 24th,
14:51there are less people coming out.
14:53There is no problem
14:55because people will come out next time.
14:57People will come out
14:59next month.
15:01the level of terrorism will definitely rise, and it will rise in the next 1-2 days.
15:09You will start seeing it, the government will start arresting people.
15:13I was about to say that in the next 1-2 days, there will be crackdowns and arrests, we will see.
15:18But what you just said, that if it succeeds, if it fails.
15:23We have said this before, that if it succeeds, then it is great for justice.
15:28Then they will do whatever they want.
15:31But if it fails, you said nothing, it will happen next time.
15:35But failure means that people are not ready to come out on the streets,
15:42are not ready to get beaten up, or are not ready to struggle.
15:46They will come for the Jalsa, they will come to vote.
15:49In fact, they did a lot to vote on 8th February.
15:53But this means that the number that Tariq-e-Insaab wants for a struggle,
15:58which we keep hearing about Bangladesh, we will forget Bangladesh.
16:03If people don't write, does it mean that people don't come out, or Punjab doesn't come out on such an effort?
16:10Look, there are two things in that.
16:14One thing is that whether it is PTI, People's Party, or PMLN,
16:19their character of political struggle is not armed.
16:24There is no militancy in it.
16:26To be fair with PMLN, People's Party, and PTI,
16:30all these parties are Pakistan's assets because their voters are not armed.
16:39And their voters are there because of the power of votes.
16:45The problem for the establishment and the government is that
16:49when you remove such parties and such leadership,
16:55then you will have to replace it with opposition.
16:58Opposition will be armed.
17:00What we see in Balochistan, what we see in the areas of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
17:04when you end non-violent politics, then violent politics takes its place.
17:12And we are seeing the result of putting PTI against the wall.
17:16Now you see these criticisms that it has become difficult for PMLN people to come out in London.
17:22It has become difficult for them to come out in the world.
17:25I want to talk to you about London.
17:28Take my last question to Mr. Tehreek-e-Insaab, then we will come to London.
17:32On 1st December, will you see Mr. Imran Khan in jail or out of jail?
17:36Will the situation be better for him or worse for him?
17:42I don't think it can be said now.
17:45We will see till 20th or 22nd that how this movement will be formed.
17:51In the next 3-4 days, how the government will react to this.
17:55And then, as I am seeing today, the good thing that has happened,
18:00the strategy that PTI has changed,
18:02that now Aleema Khan and Bushra Bibi are themselves motivated to run this movement.
18:08So, the meeting that Bushra Bibi has done yesterday,
18:12and now she is going to meet a lot of people day after tomorrow.
18:16Which I think is a major change in PTI's strategy.
18:20If Imran Khan's family leads it and a movement is formed from it,
18:25it will not be easy for the government to deal with it.
18:28And we will come to know till 20th or 22nd that how this movement will be formed.
18:33And then you are saying that from 24th or 22nd, a point can start of a long movement,
18:38which can run for a month, two months, 15-20 days.
18:41This is not a matter of do or die.
18:46It may start now and continue for a few days and weeks.
18:51100% it is like this.
18:53Nothing happens in a day, but if it starts, then it will be difficult to stop.
18:57Especially when the government's capacity for movements is very limited.
19:02And there is such a big question mark on their legitimacy.
19:05The government has outposted Mr. Fawad.
19:07They say that someone else will see, someone else will think, someone else will understand.
19:11The government does not want to do anything.
19:13The government does not exist.
19:14I mean, I am talking about Mr. Fawad,
19:16except that they do photo opportunities, but they are not visible.
19:19Tell me Mr. Fawad, because you were talking about London.
19:22I was talking about this at the beginning of the program.
19:29London happens because you are not able to give closure to people,
19:34as a political party, as Mian Nawaz Sharif.
19:37Whether it is the cases against you, whether it is your politics,
19:40whether it is your U-turns, your deals or the election on 8th February.
19:44This anger is coming out because you are not giving closure.
19:48You are not able to satisfy them.
19:51This is how it is.
19:54This is how it is.
19:56And see, the problem is that as a result of the increased criticism,
20:00now see what is the solution to this.
20:03For example, you saw that when they protest,
20:08after that the solution is that you go to the houses of the people there.
20:15I was watching a video,
20:18that boy said that his sister was kidnapped and taken to the police station.
20:23His entire family was arrested and put in jail.
20:26After that, another woman, I think Sara Mir,
20:31her mother was kidnapped and her house was demolished.
20:35People's ID cards and passports were closed.
20:39Now see, how long can you do this?
20:42This will remain for 15 days, a month.
20:44The fear is against a person's psychology that he should remain in constant fear.
20:49A person has to come out of fear.
20:52Now when after a month these people will come out of this fear,
20:55then their reaction will be much more terrifying than what you have just seen.
20:59Instead of bringing the temperature down,
21:02you should address the people's current fears and things
21:07and bring the temperature down.
21:10You are increasing them with your actions.
21:14But Mr. Fawad, our old way in Pakistan is that instead of solving the problem,
21:19we try to suppress it.
21:21Instead of saying that we will fix the system,
21:24that there should be an election fair,
21:26that no one should be punished wrongly,
21:28we say that he has to be punished wrongly,
21:30he has to steal the election,
21:31and at the same time, he has to beat up the people behind him.
21:34Because of this, our system has come to this point.
21:39The other thing is that this beating up work is also done in countries,
21:44but mostly in those countries where there is less diversity and population.
21:50We are not Dubai, we are not Singapore,
21:53we are not Burma, we are not North Korea.
21:56This is a country of 25 crore people where there is diversity.
22:00People have different nationalities,
22:02people have different languages,
22:05people have different issues.
22:09So, we want to run it in a country where there is less diversity and population.
22:15And we have run it in Pakistan.
22:17So, in Pakistan, ultimately, all the points of view,
22:21like I said, there is no take-all in parliamentary democracy.
22:24The rulers here will also have to understand that there is no take-all.
22:29The opposition will also have to understand that there is no take-all.
22:32And that's how we can build a new system based on justice,
22:36and according to the principles of our constitution.
22:40This is a good point.
22:41Finally, Mr. Fawad, what do you think will be the success rate for PTI?
22:46They are protesting on 24th.
22:52What will they do?
22:53Will it only be towards Islamabad or will it be all over the country?
22:56And what do you think will be the success rate?
23:00In my opinion, the build-up should be successful before 24th.
23:08Because the government, as we have seen,
23:12the government starts the reaction very early.
23:15And if the government still starts the reaction in 2-3 days,
23:19and by 22nd, the whole of Pakistan is filled with containers,
23:24is under arrest, and there is a turmoil,
23:27and it seems that I don't know what has happened,
23:29a war-like environment is created, then this will be a very big success.
23:34And if this happens by 22nd, and then on 24th,
23:37not many people, I think 50-60 million people will come.
23:43There is talk that if lakhs of people come, then this will happen.
23:46There is no need for lakhs of people here.
23:48Even if a few thousand people, 50-60 thousand people come to Islamabad,
23:53then I think the government cannot compete with this pressure.
23:56However, I will say this again,
23:58that I wish the alliance would have paid attention to this.
24:02And if the alliance had called, then things would have been totally different.
24:07There was a lot of pressure. Thank you very much.
24:09Mr. Fawad Chaudhary, let's take a break. We will be back after the break.
24:18Now we will talk to Mr. Shahid Khan Abbasi.
24:21We will also talk about London.
24:23Mr. Mian is talking about what is happening in London.
24:26But more about Pakistan. What is happening in Pakistan?
24:28And where will politics go?
24:30Assalam-o-Alaikum, Mr. Shahid Khan Abbasi.
24:31Wa-alaikum-salam.
24:32Mr. Shahid, I have two questions.
24:34I have two issues that I would like to talk about.
24:36One is about Mr. Mian in London and Geneva.
24:38And the conversation that he was having.
24:40Out of curiosity, I would like to understand for myself,
24:44Mr. Mian criticizes so much,
24:48don't you think that Mr. Mian has the solution to the problem?
24:53He has not been able to convince the people,
24:57that the problem is because of him.
25:00If you look at the election of 2024,
25:02if you look at the compromises after that,
25:05if you look at the dealings,
25:07do you think that Mr. Mian is being strict?
25:10I am not saying that the people are responsible for this.
25:14Look, whatever the reality is,
25:18the reality of 2017 is in front of everyone.
25:21How the government was destroyed.
25:24But now it is 2024.
25:27Two elections have come in between.
25:30Everyone knows who the people of Pakistan voted for in 2018,
25:35and who came to power.
25:37Everyone knows who voted for whom in 2024,
25:40and who came to power.
25:42Now, Mr. Mian, because he is the president of a party,
25:47and the government is his government in Wafaaq and Punjab,
25:52now he has only one way,
25:54and that is the way of performance.
25:57But tell me one thing,
25:59you are right that Mr. Shahid was in the past,
26:02but people cannot move forward without the past.
26:05Look, we have not been telling people about the history of martial law in this country for the past 20 years.
26:09Martial laws have been imposed in this country,
26:11democracy has not been allowed to be strong,
26:13but it has been weakened.
26:15To move forward, you have to learn the lesson from the past.
26:18What lesson are we learning?
26:20Today, I was telling this before,
26:22that there is a column by Mr. Sohail Baraich,
26:24I will quote it for you as well,
26:26that the Muslim League Moon has been removed from Punjab and KP,
26:28and PTI is an acceptable party,
26:30and the Moon League and People's Party has been approved by IJI,
26:33by Mr. Baraich.
26:35Now, there is an increasing discussion,
26:37that the leader of politics is not Mr. Mian.
26:40The Muslim League Moon is not.
26:42Do you agree with this?
26:44No, I did not say this.
26:46By the way, I am asking you this question.
26:48Look, Mr. Mian's statement,
26:50give respect to the vote,
26:52was accepted by the people of Pakistan.
26:54They responded to it.
26:56And Mr. Mian, who had been the Prime Minister of the country three times,
26:59he did not get the position that he got after this statement.
27:03People accepted it,
27:05but when you moved away from that statement,
27:07people rejected it.
27:09This is a critical moment for the Muslim League Moon.
27:12If you explain this to Mr. Mian,
27:14if you say that in 2016,
27:16if it is said that Panama came,
27:18Mr. Mian was punished,
27:20but his statements were accepted.
27:22After accepting those statements,
27:24Punjab won in 2018,
27:26although Mr. Mian and Maryam Nawaz were both in jail.
27:29Then what would have happened,
27:30that Mr. Mian would have thought that compromise is the best thing.
27:32Let's deal.
27:33Look, even in Wafaaq,
27:35in 2018, the Muslim League Moon would have been the biggest party,
27:38if there was no interference in the elections.
27:40There is no doubt about this.
27:42Absolutely right.
27:43But after that, the Gujranwala Jalsa of 2021,
27:46it was the rise of Mr. Mian's politics.
27:49It was the rise of the politics of giving respect to the vote.
27:52The way it was stated in that Jalsa,
27:54when he took the name and said that he is responsible for corruption,
27:58the public responded to that,
28:00they accepted him,
28:03and the Jalsas that took place in Punjab,
28:06the big Jalsas,
28:07were won by election.
28:09But when you moved away from that narrative,
28:12then the whole issue arose from there,
28:15which reached its peak in 2018.
28:17Do you remember,
28:18when there was distrust against Tariq-e-Insaf,
28:20Maryam Nawaz said with great pride,
28:22that the Muslim League Moon's ticket has run.
28:24That is, the graph of acceptance had reached there again.
28:27So, instead of that,
28:29does anyone in the Muslim League Moon realize that
28:32the responsibility of those who have been unaccepted,
28:35is also on Mr. Mian and the party?
28:37I am not a member of the Muslim League Moon,
28:41but it is the duty of the Muslim League Moon
28:43to look at their situation,
28:44where they are standing and why they are standing.
28:46What happened,
28:47that where the Jamaat was in 1921,
28:50how did it reach this place after 24 and a half years?
28:54This question is for them.
28:56The thing is very simple,
28:59the public accepted giving respect to the vote,
29:02the public did not accept giving respect to the power.
29:05This is the challenge for the Muslim League Moon today,
29:08that how will it convince the public
29:10that what we have decided is to give respect to the power,
29:13at any cost,
29:14it is a better statement for the Jamaat and the country.
29:17People are not accepting it.
29:18Apart from this,
29:19proactive politics can be seen,
29:21that parties are being held,
29:23that the party is trying to revive itself,
29:26is doing something quickly,
29:28is carrying out an acceptable statement.
29:30Why are they not doing this,
29:32in your opinion?
29:34Look, the thing is that
29:36PTI or Ibn Khan do not need to do anything.
29:39The failure of the government goes to their account.
29:42The pain in the public goes to their account.
29:45The problems of the country,
29:46if they are not solved,
29:47they go to their account.
29:49So today,
29:50the Muslim League Moon has a government.
29:52They cannot make a new statement.
29:54They have left their statement of giving respect to the vote.
29:57They have come to power.
29:58Now after coming to power,
29:59what is that new statement,
30:00what will they put in front of the public?
30:02The public is not ready to accept this.
30:04Now you have to run your performance,
30:06run the government,
30:07solve the problems of the country,
30:09and tell the public that
30:11we can solve your problems.
30:13The mistakes of Imran Khan,
30:15people have forgotten.
30:17They have forgotten the failure of that government.
30:20Today, the first government of 16 months,
30:22and the 8th month of this government,
30:23it is a period of 2 years.
30:24The failure of the government in this,
30:26it has completely…
30:27And you people remember what happened in the last 2 years,
30:30but tell me one thing,
30:31let's look at politics now,
30:32from the point of view of Imran Khan and Tariq Khan.
30:35This call was made on 24th November.
30:37You also know that there will be a crackdown.
30:39Should the Jalsa be allowed,
30:41Jalusa, Jalusa, Ehtijad,
30:42or you think they will not allow it?
30:45No, the excuse is that they will not allow it.
30:48But I think,
30:49the place,
30:51it was already decided,
30:53where the Jalsas took place,
30:55the old parade ground,
30:57in that,
30:58you can do the Jalsa,
30:59go home,
31:00this is the way of politics.
31:01But,
31:02the attitude that PTI has adopted,
31:03that is also not right,
31:04that you are an attacker,
31:05on a national government,
31:08and the attitude of the government,
31:09is even worse than that.
31:11That you cut the roads,
31:13you shut down the internet,
31:15you make containers,
31:17you make a fence,
31:20to save your government.
31:22Look at the optics of this.
31:24So, in such circumstances,
31:26PTI does not need to do anything,
31:28their words are enough,
31:30the government itself gets agitated,
31:32defames itself.
31:33Imran Khan Sahib is in jail,
31:35should he be in jail,
31:36because he is a political prisoner,
31:37there are political punishments.
31:38Sir, look,
31:39political leaders have gone to jail before this,
31:41they have gone even today,
31:42that was wrong,
31:43this is also wrong,
31:44there is no doubt in this.
31:45We have made this a tradition,
31:47but that,
31:48the country,
31:49the country,
31:50But the way you are telling,
31:51for that,
31:52it is necessary to get out of jail,
31:53that if you,
31:54get him out of jail,
31:55and say,
31:56you sit down and make a agenda of Pakistan,
31:58you have to do politics,
31:59these parameters should be there,
32:00of doing politics,
32:01criticize each other,
32:02no one says this,
32:03but,
32:04it is not possible,
32:05to put one in jail,
32:06sometimes it is the turn of one,
32:07sometimes it is the turn of another.
32:08Sir,
32:09this happens,
32:10when,
32:11the interest of the country,
32:12is better than your own interest,
32:13you consider it better,
32:14consider it superior,
32:15the interest of the country,
32:16is dominant,
32:17over the personal interest.
32:18Today,
32:19everything here,
32:20is of personal interest.
32:21The government,
32:22which is in power,
32:24which is in power,
32:25needs chairs,
32:26Imran Khan,
32:27has to get out of jail,
32:28his party,
32:29has declared,
32:30that we have to get,
32:31Imran Khan,
32:32out of jail.
32:33So,
32:34in such circumstances,
32:35how can you,
32:36put the problems of the country,
32:37the problems of the country,
32:38are on one side,
32:39the problems of the people,
32:40are on one side,
32:41today,
32:42we are,
32:43looking for our own interest,
32:44so,
32:45in such circumstances,
32:46this reconciliation,
32:47this agreement,
32:48is not possible.
32:49So,
32:50we are,
32:51unfortunately,
32:52stuck,
32:53in this mess,
32:54and when,
32:55such circumstances,
32:56arise,
32:57neither the economy,
32:58nor the country,
32:59will progress.
33:00That's fine,
33:01but,
33:02do you see,
33:03Imran Khan sir,
33:04coming out?
33:05Sir,
33:06coming out,
33:07I'll tell you,
33:08the old story,
33:09I'll tell you later,
33:10the man,
33:11who had,
33:12put Asif Zardari,
33:13in jail,
33:14he,
33:15himself,
33:16got him out of jail,
33:17and,
33:18himself,
33:19killed him.
33:20That's fine,
33:21but,
33:22what can we say,
33:23tomorrow,
33:24Imran Khan sir,
33:25may be,
33:26will be taking the oath,
33:27of his passion.
33:28In our country,
33:29everything is possible.
33:30Yes,
33:31but,
33:32but,
33:33this is,
33:34this is the reason,
33:35Pakistan,
33:36has come to this place,
33:37people play games,
33:38someone has a wish,
33:39someone says,
33:40he should be the Prime Minister,
33:41he should be in jail,
33:42after a few weeks,
33:43those wishes change.
33:44Yes.
33:45For how long,
33:46will he keep playing games?
33:47Sir,
33:48now,
33:49there is no place,
33:50now,
33:51you will have to talk about the country,
33:52you will have to solve the problem,
33:53otherwise,
33:54the situation will get worse,
33:55and,
33:56I am afraid,
33:57that this lava,
33:58will explode one day.
33:59Shahid sir,
34:00what we see in London,
34:01in Geneva,
34:02why does this happen?
34:03Have you ever thought,
34:04about this,
34:05that why,
34:06because,
34:07I was telling you a while ago,
34:08that,
34:09Muslim League Noon,
34:10used to say,
34:11that we will give the right of vote,
34:12to Pakistanis,
34:13because,
34:14your Jamaat,
34:15was the most accepted,
34:16among Pakistanis.
34:17Now,
34:18here,
34:19there is a lot of criticism.
34:20Has Mian sir,
34:21failed to convince people,
34:22that,
34:23the decisions,
34:24that he has made,
34:25in the last 8 years,
34:2610 years,
34:27people,
34:28people think,
34:29that he has made wrong decisions.
34:30Is it only,
34:31to this extent,
34:32a problem,
34:33or,
34:34Imran Khan sir,
34:35has misbehaved with his people?
34:36Look,
34:37this is a problem,
34:38on both sides.
34:39On one side,
34:40this,
34:41which is happening,
34:42no one,
34:43can support this.
34:44These things,
34:45are not acceptable,
34:46in politics.
34:47This is not,
34:48personal enmity.
34:49You,
34:50to a person,
34:51whom you don't know,
34:52you,
34:53on the streets,
34:54abuse him,
34:55naked,
34:56then,
34:57no one,
34:58can accept this.
34:59So,
35:00we should,
35:01avoid these things.
35:02Today,
35:03this is a demand of leadership.
35:04If,
35:05PTI people are doing this,
35:06then,
35:07their leadership,
35:08should demand,
35:09that they,
35:10finish this work.
35:11If,
35:12there is injustice,
35:13happening,
35:14then,
35:15yes.
35:16But,
35:17if,
35:18there is,
35:19injustice,
35:20happening,
35:21then,
35:22yes.
35:23If,
35:24there is,
35:25injustice,
35:26happening,
35:27then,
35:28yes.
35:29If,
35:30there is,
35:31injustice,
35:32happening,
35:33then,
35:34yes.
35:35If,
35:36there is,
35:37injustice,
35:38happening,
35:39then,
35:40yes.
35:41If,
35:42there is,
35:43injustice,
35:44happening,
35:45then,
35:46yes.
35:47If,
35:48there is,
35:49injustice,
35:50happening,
35:51then,
35:52yes.
35:53If,
35:54there is,
35:55injustice,
35:56happening,
35:57then,
35:58yes.
35:59If,
36:00there is,
36:01injustice,
36:02happening,
36:03then,
36:04yes.
36:05If,
36:06there is,
36:07injustice,
36:08happening,
36:09then,
36:10yes.
36:11If,
36:12there is,
36:13injustice,
36:14happening,
36:15then,
36:16yes.
36:17If,
36:18there is,
36:19injustice,
36:20happening,
36:21then,
36:22yes.
36:23If,
36:24there is,
36:25injustice,
36:26happening,
36:27then,
36:28yes.
36:29If,
36:30there is,
36:31injustice,
36:32happening,
36:33then,
36:34yes.
36:35If,
36:36there is,
36:37injustice,
36:38happening,
36:39then,
36:40yes.
36:41If,
36:42there is,
36:43injustice,
36:44happening,
36:45then,
36:46yes.
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