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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Muhammad Malick
Guests:
- Taimur Khan Jhagra PTI
- Bilal Azhar Kayani PMLN
- Qamar Zaman Kaira PPP
"Jab Tak Muamlat Durust Nahi Karengay tou Wo Din Dur Nahi Kay..." Taimur Jhagra's Statement
Judiciary's independence ended with one of the three senior judges as Chief Justice?
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Host:
- Muhammad Malick
Guests:
- Taimur Khan Jhagra PTI
- Bilal Azhar Kayani PMLN
- Qamar Zaman Kaira PPP
"Jab Tak Muamlat Durust Nahi Karengay tou Wo Din Dur Nahi Kay..." Taimur Jhagra's Statement
Judiciary's independence ended with one of the three senior judges as Chief Justice?
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya's Mohammad Malik.
00:18There is only one debate going on in the whole of Pakistan.
00:21The 27th amendment is coming or not.
00:24And when the 26th amendment is coming, the government's law ministers were saying that there is no amendment.
00:30Now there are such talks, everything is happening.
00:32Then the amendments came.
00:33Then a lot of things happened.
00:35At the same time, another parallel debate is going on.
00:38What was the deal with Bushra Bibi in PTI?
00:45The logic of the deal is out of my understanding.
00:47Because quite frankly, I think that if Mr. Imran Khan has any deal,
00:51then there will be only one ultimate of the deal that he should come out.
00:55If he comes out, then this government does not seem to work.
00:58So what kind of deal will it be?
01:00Are these temporary reliefs?
01:01Because Khawaja Asif is the defense minister.
01:03He has also tweeted today and given such an impression that his coming out is also part of a deal.
01:10Then Mr. Barista Saif of PTI himself gave a statement in which he said that
01:15Ali Ibn Ghindapur has told me that I have played a role in Bushra Bibi's coming out.
01:20Now, we thought that this whole matter has happened through the court.
01:24So, there is a strange ambiguity.
01:26Today, Mr. Khan's very harsh statement came again through the tweet on AXE, which we call now.
01:32And on that too, he had a very angry tweet.
01:35But on that too, he took out all the anger on the government.
01:39Surprisingly, there was no mention of any institution at that time.
01:42So, now everyone is joining on that too.
01:44In the meantime, Mr. Ali Ibn Ghindapur, as usual, has given a new threat.
01:49That if we get a complaint again, then we will close Pakistan again.
01:53This is another thing that a few days ago, when the nomination of the Chief Justice was not done,
01:59then he said that if Senior Most Judge does not become Mansoor Ali Shah, then Pakistan will be closed.
02:05And himself, he was probably the first VVIP who reached the oath-taking ceremony.
02:11Let's hear what he said today, because this is a very important statement.
02:16And after that, I will introduce you to my guest, because there are three parties.
02:21And what I want to know is that 26th is not being raised yet.
02:26There is so much debate on it. Why did the 27th start? What is the government in a hurry?
02:31But first, let's hear what Mr. Ghindapur said.
02:46Mr. Ghindapur said,
03:17Our next step is only one, and you will not even get a chance to run in a helicopter.
03:23Yes, let me introduce the guest. We have joined us in the studio, Mr. Bilal Kiani.
03:27He is the senior leader of MNA. He has a relationship with PMLN.
03:30Mr. Taimur Jhagra is the senior leader of PTI, former Finance and Health Minister KP.
03:35And Mr. Kamar Zaman Kaira is the senior leader of PPK, former advisor to PM on Kashmir Affairs.
03:40Mr. Taimur, I want to start with you.
03:43When will these threats stop?
03:47Every other day, Ali Amin Ghindapur sir threatens to shut down Pakistan.
03:51Then he goes left and right.
03:53Seriously, I mean, isn't this wolf story a little too much?
03:57Is there really something serious this time?
04:01I think when Pakistan normalizes, the threats will also stop, Mr. Malik.
04:07It's that simple.
04:09So, these are just threats. Do you have the capacity to carry them out?
04:15Look, I think Mr. Salman Raja's statement was very good today.
04:22Why are we, the government, forcing millions of people to take to the streets
04:31and not to be in anyone's control?
04:35And I think if we don't normalize things in the future,
04:41then that day will definitely come.
04:44You're talking about the 27th amendment, for example. Why?
04:48Because they know that the day the Supreme Court starts giving on merit justice,
04:54then the government is finished.
04:56Then the 27th will come, then the 28th will come, then the 39th will come.
05:00Then people will have to be kidnapped.
05:02Then a press release will have to be issued for everyone as to what that meant.
05:08This will not end.
05:10We have to take Pakistan back to the constitutional path.
05:14I think this is a place of shame for Pakistan.
05:17Bushra Bibi, who was in jail on charges,
05:21Aleema Khan and her sister, who were in jail on charges,
05:26that they had gunpowder, the whole world saw it.
05:29We have such a serious issue of terrorism,
05:32and terrorism charges are being placed on Iman Mazari.
05:35I think you can subdue some people for some time,
05:39but ultimately, all these people will come out,
05:42and not just the PTI.
05:44Let me come to this.
05:46Let me ask Mr. Khaira.
05:48There is news about the 27th amendment,
05:51and there is also news that the People's Party has said
05:54to take it a little slowly,
05:59but then,
06:01Bilawal Bhutto's visit to Lahore with a high-powered delegation,
06:05meeting the Prime Minister,
06:07these are not mundane things.
06:09So, clearly, this will happen.
06:11And today, a very good article has been written by Javed Jabbar,
06:14in which he has given a very interesting break-up.
06:17He said, look, the PTI independents,
06:21they took 18 million votes.
06:24The PMLN took 14 million votes.
06:27The People's Party took 8 million votes.
06:30Now, the registered voters are 12.9 crore,
06:34which is 129 million.
06:36The turnout was only 59 million,
06:38which means they were below 50 percent.
06:41So, if we look at the coalition,
06:43there are 17.8 percent registered voters,
06:47on whom you got the amendment passed.
06:50And if we look at the cast votes,
06:52there are 44 percent,
06:54which means that you didn't even have a simple majority.
06:57In any case, you got the constitutional amendments passed.
07:01You followed the judiciary,
07:04the executive.
07:06You kept the Chief Justice for three years,
07:10which means that every Prime Minister will get a chance
07:12to appoint another Chief Justice.
07:14So, those three most senior people
07:16will now be waiting,
07:19What is left after this?
07:21Only the military courts are left.
07:23The government has got everything.
07:25Why do you want to pass the 27th amendment?
07:28Thank you, Mr. Malik.
07:30The first request is that,
07:32this is an assumption,
07:34it is an assumption that
07:36an amendment is being passed.
07:38It can be passed,
07:40there is no harm in it.
07:42If it is necessary according to the law,
07:44then let it be passed.
07:46But it is not happening on behalf of the government.
07:48The Speaker has also denied it.
07:50Today, the Law Minister has also denied it.
07:52There was no such thing from our Jamaat.
07:55So, we are all discussing this assumption.
07:58I think that when the time comes
08:00when you get an amendment,
08:02and what amendment it is,
08:04according to that, let it be seen.
08:06We don't have any amendment.
08:08And we are only here because
08:10the 27th amendment is coming.
08:12Why is it coming?
08:14If there is an amendment,
08:16then we will see what the content is.
08:18Do we want to oppose the amendment
08:20or do we want to talk about its content?
08:22I think it is better
08:24that the government
08:26comes to the conclusion
08:28that yes, we are doing something.
08:30Then we will open it.
08:32Sir, the government is standing
08:34on your head.
08:36As far as the content is concerned,
08:38when the last amendment came,
08:40this content was not
08:42discussed by the civil society
08:44organizations.
08:46No one knew.
08:48The media did not know.
08:50The draft that we brought
08:52to consider,
08:54the government said,
08:56no, your draft is wrong.
08:58We are looking at something else.
09:00There was no public debate on it.
09:02There was no media debate on it.
09:04The bill was passed in the House.
09:06We did not talk about the content.
09:08In the 26th amendment,
09:10there was a parliamentary debate.
09:12Will it come in the 27th amendment?
09:14The parliament did not do it.
09:16Five people did it.
09:18Maulana did it.
09:20Bhutto did it.
09:22Zardari did it.
09:24The Prime Minister did it.
09:26No one knew.
09:28Will it come in the 27th amendment?
09:30Sir, it is not like that.
09:32I request you to give me
09:34some time.
09:36I have collected two questions.
09:38First, you said in the intro
09:40that our association has
09:4240%, 45%, 44% votes.
09:44The rest of the minds have taken more.
09:46These amendments will not
09:48happen by counting the number of votes.
09:50You have to count the number of
09:52seats of the vote.
09:54If you have amendments on
09:56assembly seats,
09:58the criteria you are giving
10:00is not our way.
10:02I don't think it's right
10:04to debate on it.
10:06You have to look at the seats
10:08and not the votes.
10:10Secondly,
10:12you said that
10:14you have appointed judges
10:16in the 26th amendment.
10:18What have you appointed?
10:20Will one of the three
10:22judges be appointed?
10:24Will one of the three judges
10:26be appointed?
10:28Will all the freedom of the
10:30court be over?
10:32Will all the judges
10:34be appointed?
10:36Will all the freedom of the
10:38court be over?
10:40Sir, you have appointed
10:42three senior judges.
10:44There is no guarantee
10:46who will be appointed.
10:48They want to stay in the
10:50good books of the government.
10:52Tell me,
10:54what happened
10:56to the total number of judges
10:58appointed in the 26th amendment
11:00after Qazi's departure?
11:02You are sitting there
11:04when you are counting
11:06the opposition of the government.
11:08All of them have joined us.
11:10They have become our followers.
11:12This is not right.
11:14Let me request you
11:16that yes,
11:18you are right.
11:20You just said that
11:22there was no open debate
11:24on this.
11:26The civil society did not
11:28come to us.
11:30Sir, in democracy,
11:32the constitutional amendments
11:34are debated all over the world.
11:36No, no, no.
11:38The debate starts from the parliament.
11:40After that, you can give
11:42your opinion.
11:44When was there a debate in the parliament?
11:46Sir, let me speak.
11:48I have to do fact checking.
11:50You tell me
11:52how many days has there been a debate in the parliament?
11:54No, sir.
11:56Let me speak.
11:58The request is
12:00that the competent forum
12:02is the parliament.
12:04It will open there.
12:06There will be a debate
12:08among the communities.
12:10After that, you will give your opinion
12:12and the civil society will give their opinion.
12:14When the 26th amendment was coming,
12:16there were 52 points.
12:18There were 56 points.
12:20You brought it and others brought it.
12:22People have to take many challenges.
12:24Different communities had different things.
12:26Those challenges were discussed
12:28between the communities for two months.
12:30After two months of discussion,
12:3226 out of 56
12:34came to 22 points.
12:36You are still saying
12:38that I don't know where they came from
12:40and suddenly they came and voted.
12:42They had to decide.
12:44Okay, sir.
12:46I will include Bilal as well.
12:48Then I will go back to Taimoor on this.
12:50Why do you think
12:52there were so many secret documents?
12:54I am asking because
12:56I remember when we reported in the media
12:58that the seniority principle of judges will be changed
13:00and it is being discussed in the panel,
13:02all the people of your government denied it.
13:04There is nothing like that on the cards.
13:06The law minister said
13:08that you are talking like this.
13:10Later, the same thing happened.
13:12Like Mr. Khaira said
13:14that we have been debating for three months.
13:16What is such a secret document?
13:18You are changing the constitution.
13:20What are you afraid of?
13:22Let people have their input.
13:28You have made an elected autocracy.
13:30Once we are elected,
13:32we don't have to answer anyone.
13:34We will make our own decisions.
13:36Thank you for having me on your show.
13:38Let's talk about fact checking.
13:40Like Mr. Khaira said,
13:46every party had their own
13:48different suggestions and drafts
13:50and the draft was constantly changing.
13:52Some of the media people
13:54were asking where is Musawwada?
13:56Musawwada is being made.
13:58The text changes every day.
14:00You may remember that
14:02four or six weeks before
14:04the passing of the last amendment,
14:06we came to your talk show
14:08and said that what are the salient features
14:10in this?
14:12We were talking about the composition
14:14of the judicial commission
14:16and the constitutional courts.
14:18You said that we have heard
14:20that this is happening.
14:22Listen to me.
14:24People used to come to my shows
14:26and I used to ask them
14:28that what you are saying is not true.
14:30In reality, work is being done.
14:32This is your problem.
14:34Proactively,
14:36someone shared the document
14:38and someone didn't.
14:40You have made a draft for me.
14:42You make agreements at home.
14:44What will you share with someone
14:46You have worked, I am sure,
14:48on many documents.
14:50Just until a document isn't ready
14:52between you and whatever team
14:54you are working with,
14:56how can you share it with someone?
14:58Here, the draft was changing
15:00on a daily basis.
15:02If a draft was shared with you
15:04on the 27th,
15:06you would say that
15:08your draft said this.
15:10Naturally, when the communities
15:12had to complete their work,
15:14constitutional courts were discussed.
15:16Judicial Commission of Pakistan
15:18was discussed.
15:20The appointment of Chief Judges
15:22was discussed.
15:24After that,
15:26Mr. Tarar shared
15:28a document in the Supreme Court Bar.
15:30Later, when you asked
15:32where the debate took place,
15:34the three main communities
15:36discussed it.
15:38The Special Parliamentary Committee
15:40which was chaired by Mr. Khursheed Shah
15:42also shared a draft.
15:44Not only that,
15:46Mr. Tarar also shared the input
15:48of the Pakistan Bar Council.
15:50How much discussion was there on the floor?
15:52All the communities agreed.
15:54It is practically not feasible
15:56that 200 people work on a draft.
15:58When the draft was finalized,
16:00within hours,
16:02you passed it.
16:04Absolutely.
16:06This is a wrong impression.
16:08Now I will do fact-checking.
16:10You are doing it deliberately.
16:12As if something was spent in the darkness of the night.
16:14For six weeks, you yourself
16:16covered that Maulana's house was occupied.
16:18Now the PTI people have come.
16:20Now Mr. Bilawal has left.
16:22Now Azam Tarar has left.
16:24Now Jati Umrah has been occupied.
16:26Now Bilawal House has been occupied.
16:28You were working on this draft.
16:30After that, how many meetings
16:32of the Special Parliamentary Committee
16:34were held?
16:36What was happening there?
16:38What did Mr. Bilawal tell you?
16:40What did he tell you?
16:42He said that the draft had reached the stage
16:44which was not finalized.
16:46So nobody knew what was going on.
16:48Parliament knew.
16:50What matters is that Parliament knows.
16:52If you did not get it, you may be sad.
16:54Political parties, leadership knew.
16:56Parliament did not know.
16:58No, no.
17:00Political leaderships knew.
17:02Their working teams knew.
17:04The communities trusted them.
17:06So you did not decide anything
17:08in Parliament.
17:10Listen to my question.
17:12You are lying.
17:14Parliament decided.
17:16Parliament passed.
17:18Parliament did not discuss.
17:20You told us.
17:22Our leaders did not discuss.
17:24So leaders discussed.
17:26So do not discuss any law
17:28in Parliament.
17:30You should sit in a room
17:32and decide.
17:34Why is there a parliamentary committee?
17:36What is the use of standing committees?
17:38Mr. Taimur,
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27:48Mr. Taimur,
27:50Mr. Taimur,
27:52Mr. Taimur.
27:54Sir you know this,
27:56me too, both of us know it.
27:58But, this is not a big deal
28:00But again you say was
28:02see if I shall pick a few things
28:04the first thing that you said
28:06was absolutely correct
28:08and why it is necessary
28:10that all politicians
28:12and all parties stand up
28:14for democracy
28:16because this, Bilal is
28:18I'll tell you two incidents.
28:22A few England fans wanted to sit in the Imran Khan enclosure in Pindi Test.
28:27They were told that it was full, when it was closed.
28:31That's the level of fear.
28:35I saw a clip on WhatsApp yesterday, whether you call it digital terrorism.
28:44Someone said, it's very bad that our coach, Gary Kirsten, was fired in this way.
28:53He didn't coach a single one-day.
28:56Someone else replied, our World Cup winning captain is also in jail,
29:01when no case was proved against him. His sentence is suspended.
29:06This is the true face of what you said, elected autocracy.
29:13I'll call it brute force democracy.
29:16Bilawal himself said, if we don't have numbers, we'll use brute force.
29:22And he did that.
29:25I'm saddened by the role of the People's Party,
29:29because they have a history, even in the Chequers,
29:33where they stood up for constitutionalism.
29:38Or at least people ascribe to it.
29:42But democracy is the best revenge, instead of brute force.
29:47Go and ask Akhtar Mengel.
29:49But democracy should not be a best revenge from the people.
29:53Mr. Khaira is very blunt, he always speaks openly.
29:56He said, there are some ground realities.
29:59Things have to be done, everything happens.
30:02I'm just saying, why do you hide everything from people?
30:08If you have no wrong argument, why do you hide it from the media?
30:14Mr. Malik, we've been doing a talk show with you for 2 months.
30:18For 2 months, we've been debating judicial commission,
30:20constitutional court vs. bunches.
30:23If we don't discuss the principles and salient features of this,
30:27then what are we doing?
30:29We were telling you that drafts are being shared.
30:31The drafts are dynamic.
30:32When the drafts are final, we'll share it with you.
30:34It was shared with the Bar Council.
30:36It was shared with the committees.
30:38It was shared with the communities.
30:40But there was only one issue, that's why it had to be shared.
30:42It will be like this in the final.
30:43No, no.
30:44It will be like this.
30:45I have to categorically deny this.
30:49I have to categorically deny this.
30:51Absolutely false assertion that something was done in secret.
30:55Vociferous, loud debate.
30:58Vibrant debate on talk shows.
31:00Vibrant debate in the parliamentary committees.
31:02Vibrant debate between the parties.
31:04All the salient features of the term were discussed on your talk shows.
31:07The composition of the judicial commission was discussed.
31:09The pieces of information that we kept finding and bringing.
31:12We heard one thing from you.
31:14We heard one thing from Mr. Ertagan.
31:15We heard one thing from Mr. Taimoor.
31:16Let's check the facts on this too.
31:17Let's check the facts on this too.
31:18After that, the drafts that we showed in the media,
31:20you started giving feedback on that.
31:22Sir, for God's sake.
31:23When did you finalize your drafts?
31:24Sir, the drafts were to be finalized then.
31:26But, I remember...
31:28Sir, you don't like this.
31:30Sir, you don't like this.
31:31Sir, you don't like this.
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