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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya, I am Muhammad Malik.
00:04We have been hearing the same news for the past two days.
00:07Will there be a telephone call?
00:09Will the Trump administration intervene?
00:12And if it does, what will happen?
00:14And the party you are talking to, will you get an answer accordingly?
00:18But the question is, and it seems that the Republicans are not as happy as the PTI people are.
00:24Is this happiness a misplaced?
00:26But the last two days, there was talk that Imran Khan is not talking.
00:30And when Bushra Bibi was released, and then both his assistants were released,
00:35then we saw that a large number of people were bailed out in the May 9 cases.
00:4330 MPAs and other people were released on May 9.
00:46So the whole country is talking.
00:48Maybe there is a deal going on.
00:49Otherwise, what is all this?
00:51Then there was a statement by Ameen Gandapur Sahib,
00:54in which he gave the impression that he had a role in the release of Bushra Bibi.
00:58Later, he was retracted.
01:00But in the beginning, I got this impression.
01:02But the biggest thing was silence.
01:04Khan Sahib, it's been four days, it's been five days, you're not talking.
01:07So why is there silence?
01:09That silence has broken today.
01:11And today, when he spoke to the journalists there,
01:16I will repeat a few things for you to get an idea.
01:19From the beginning, I have always felt that no deal has been offered yet.
01:24But a lot was going on.
01:26But today, he spoke very openly.
01:29He said that there is complete censorship in the country's media.
01:32I have seen the newspaper, no one prints my statement.
01:35Then he said that the government has also taken over the Supreme Court.
01:39These are mild things.
01:40Now comes the real meat of the discussion.
01:42He said that the internal affairs of the army chief would have been extended
01:47if the army chief was neutral.
01:49The current army chief is providing security to this illegitimate government.
01:53The government extended the term of the army chief to provide security to the government.
02:00There should have been a legal debate on this in Parliament.
02:03This was a very important matter.
02:05And it was legislated without any legal debate.
02:09So this issue that the army chief has become very lenient on the establishment
02:14has been put to bear today.
02:16Then he said a few more things.
02:18He said that he is sending a message to the party, especially to the leadership,
02:23to prepare for a protest movement.
02:26And the leadership of the protest will do a joint leadership.
02:30And the ticket holder or official who will not participate in the protest,
02:35there is no place for him in the party and we will not give him a ticket in the next election.
02:40Then the Trump issue.
02:42When this Trump issue is being discussed,
02:44he said that Trump will at least be neutral and not like Biden,
02:48who used Hussain Akhani like Bajwa and lobbied against him.
02:54Then he said that my release will not be from America, but will be complete in Pakistan.
02:59The question is whether it will start from there or not.
03:02We will find the answer to that today.
03:04I accept my two mistakes.
03:06First, it was my biggest mistake to support General Bajwa.
03:10And instead of taking a united government, I should have been elected again.
03:15Second, I will not leave the country.
03:18No matter what, you can permanently put my name on the ECL.
03:23So today this thing is clear.
03:25Now two or three questions arise.
03:27Was something happening that ended?
03:31And now Mr. Imran Khan is going home.
03:33Or was he waiting for the results of the US President in November?
03:38And after that, a new strategy is coming.
03:40Because one thing is very clear,
03:42that the American government is also worried about this development.
03:47And the people of the government are also taking very hard statements on this.
03:52Yesterday in our program,
03:53in fact, Mr. Rana Sanalo used a lot of harsh language.
03:56Let's hear what he said yesterday.
04:00He is called Pakistan's Imran Khan or Imran Khan is called America's Trump.
04:06Both of them have a lot of habits.
04:10Lying, being stubborn, making fun of others.
04:14Going to the extent of adopting illegal handcuffs to get his point accepted.
04:20There was an attack on the White House.
04:22The way he had gathered there and made people riot.
04:27So there are some things in this.
04:31Mr. Rana, you are the advisor to the Prime Minister.
04:33You are saying that the next president of America is a liar.
04:37He does illegal work.
04:39He destroys all the laws.
04:42Are you realizing what you are talking about?
04:44What are the political consequences of this?
04:46Yes, I am realizing it.
04:48And he has been doing all this work.
04:50The attack on Capitol Hill is now a reality.
04:55If I say no, there will be no improvement.
04:59If I say no, that thing will not end.
05:01If he goes out of the country, then all his statements, his politics, his jail.
05:06Everything will be humiliated.
05:09And his party will also be destroyed.
05:12It takes 8-10 years to come back.
05:17Anyway, Mr. Mullah Nawazish had also left twice.
05:20Then he came back and got the government.
05:22Anyway, Mr. Nusrat Javed has joined me today.
05:24Thank you very much, Mr. Shah.
05:25Faisal Chaudhary has joined us.
05:27And Mazhar Abbas is with us.
05:29Faisal, let's start with you.
05:31You meet a lot with Mr. Khan.
05:34And I think he was so much interested in the election that whoever went to meet him,
05:41Before that, he used to ask what the election result was.
05:45If this Trump thing is so meaningless,
05:48And now there is a lot of excitement in your party.
05:51And I think there is a lot of hope that the leadership of your diaspora
05:57They will generate so much pressure through their congressmen and senators
06:01That they have some involvement.
06:04If this is such a non-event, then why was Mr. Khan so interested in the result?
06:08What is coming, what is not coming?
06:10You must have also asked.
06:12In fact, I was the first one.
06:15Look, the election of the American president is never a non-event.
06:19And especially for Pakistan and world politics.
06:22It is a very important event.
06:24And Mr. Khan has always been interested in the international world.
06:29And he asked about this election of Trump.
06:33I am talking purely in the context of him and PTI.
06:37Because for a long time, the different leaders here used to say
06:41That if Trump comes, there will be trouble.
06:44Because we will get a lot of support from there.
06:47Because there is a lot of friendship with Trump and Trump's style.
06:50So that's why I am talking in that context.
06:53This is basically yesterday's conversation.
06:56Yesterday, when the delegates asked this question, they said
07:00Look, the matter of my release is going to happen from here.
07:04So their emphasis was that they named the Biden administration as Janabajwa.
07:09They said that by lobbying Hussain Akhani,
07:12The Cypher case against me was an orchestrated move by Bajwa.
07:19And they got this case done.
07:22Now Trump's administration will be neutral.
07:28And I am telling you without exaggeration that
07:33If there is any acquaintance of Donald Trump in Pakistan, then it is Imran Khan.
07:39And they have a relationship with each other.
07:42You know, Mushaiq Sahib told this yesterday.
07:46And I recall that he was taken in the residential area of the White House.
07:51And he took selfies there.
07:54So one is his stardom and his old clout.
07:58He lived in London for 30 years.
08:00And you know, he used to sit in the class where he used to sit.
08:04So this was the interest of Imran Khan.
08:06So definitely there will be an election of Trump.
08:08So they will ask.
08:09And there are some other events.
08:11Khan Sahib is very keen.
08:13I want to clarify two or three things very quickly.
08:17It was said that there was silence. There was no silence.
08:20Khan Sahib was talking.
08:22There were two presentations.
08:24It was a 15-minute presentation.
08:26Even we did not realize it.
08:27And there is a controlled environment there.
08:29The journalists are not allowed to ask questions there.
08:31Even the journalists are picked and chosen.
08:33Many journalists are not allowed to go there.
08:36And God knows that from October 3 onwards,
08:40I have realized that there is an unannounced censorship.
08:44I have talked about it in my talks with the media.
08:48And I have sent a letter of request.
08:50I have also talked to the CPNI.
08:52See, Article 19A is the fundamental right of the populace of Pakistan
08:57to hear from the gentlemen who represent the largest segment.
09:02So their media censorship,
09:04you cannot run their news.
09:07So how will these things end tomorrow and today?
09:09No, these things are done with reporters.
09:12See, they started yesterday.
09:14They said that they have been getting newspapers for two days.
09:17Maybe in the morning we will find out
09:20whether they will get the newspaper they are asking for or not.
09:23They have started getting one newspaper.
09:25So they said that I have read it.
09:27So this is censorship.
09:28No statement of mine is published.
09:30Because I obviously abreast him that what is going on outside.
09:33That they are not publishing it.
09:35It is not like that.
09:36So the media talks that take place there,
09:39yesterday, I don't know, I came a little late.
09:41So when I left Adyana, there was no media outside.
09:44So the media talks are compulsory.
09:46No, but all the people who come together,
09:48they come out and talk to the media.
09:50They talk.
09:51Of course they do.
09:52If they used to talk before,
09:54on the army or on leadership or on someone else,
09:56then the rest of the leaders used to come and talk.
09:58That Mr. Khan said this, he said that.
10:00All of them were silent.
10:01Well, Mr. Khan's silence was over.
10:03It is understood that it is a controlled environment.
10:05The rest of the people who used to come and talk,
10:07they also started giving very sanitized statements.
10:10Because of which this impression was made.
10:12It was not made just for one reason.
10:14I am saying that this revival that has started again suddenly,
10:17what is it?
10:18Is it related to what people are saying now?
10:20Look, because Trump has come,
10:22they think that there will be intervention,
10:24so you give up the game.
10:26No, look, Mr. Khan has always kept his stance like this.
10:29Okay.
10:30The rest of the people who come to talk,
10:32look, there is a fear factor.
10:34While talking,
10:35there is something which is above my pay scale,
10:37as we call it.
10:38Okay.
10:39Some things, Mr. Khan can afford it.
10:42A lot of people from outside cannot afford it.
10:44Then how will we bring about a revolution?
10:46No, now the thing is…
10:47If you are losing your life while giving a statement,
10:49then how will you run an economic movement?
10:51Mr. Malik, the thing is that
10:52Hussain Panjotha was also made an example for Wakila,
10:55that if you don't speak…
10:56There was a lot of injustice.
10:57There was injustice with him.
10:58What happened?
10:59Everyone says that there was injustice.
11:01Even the Chief Justice said that there was a lot of injustice.
11:03What happened with the poor,
11:05some bar council, bar association,
11:07Mr. Shahji, a lot of senior people…
11:09By the way, it was a miracle.
11:10Mr. Shahji, the one from Panjotha…
11:12One day before, the Attorney General says
11:14that there will be good news in 48 hours.
11:16Then it will come in 24 hours.
11:18Then miraculously,
11:19the witnesses come.
11:21Mr. Panjotha becomes a Brahmin in Naka.
11:24Bullets are fired.
11:25Neither the car was shot,
11:26nor any person was shot.
11:28Even Awaqar was not caught in Naka.
11:30And miraculously, he was found.
11:32And I had said the other day
11:34that the raw dacoits also kill people.
11:37They also make videos.
11:38They also take money.
11:39It happens again.
11:40This is a strange dacoit, Awaqar,
11:43who left without taking money.
11:46There was a story of Mr. Gandapur,
11:49of 12 districts.
11:50It was a funny story.
11:51It was a very funny story.
11:53But let's come there first.
11:55What do you think?
11:57I have been listening to you for 2-3 days.
11:59You think that there will be no
12:01kind of intervention,
12:02but I want to keep it in context.
12:04There was an intervention about Mr. Nawaz Sharif
12:07through Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE.
12:10Mr. Trump himself,
12:12we know in his past dealing
12:14with Mohammad bin Salman,
12:17has a genuinely close relationship
12:19with the President of the UAE.
12:21He is with the Qataris.
12:22And when Bill Clinton put them in jail,
12:24they sent Mr. Mian out.
12:26So why not?
12:28The call will come from Washington.
12:30These people can also do it.
12:32Why would they do it?
12:33You tell me, what is Saudi Arabia
12:35doing with Mr. Khan right now?
12:38If they are requested by Washington.
12:40What?
12:41If they are requested by Washington.
12:43If they are requested.
12:45If they are requested.
12:46Why should Washington request it?
12:48I will tell you.
12:50What I said in the beginning.
12:52Listen to my question.
12:55I am looking at it domestically.
12:57You campaigned with the Congressmen.
12:59You campaigned with the Republicans.
13:01In the same vein,
13:02Biden received a letter from 60 people.
13:04Now there are promises of elections.
13:06America has no burden on us right now.
13:09They don't need to take care of us.
13:11They are just working on domestic politics.
13:14Did you ask me a question?
13:15For God's sake listen to me.
13:16Either make a decision
13:18that we will give people
13:20morphine injections and false hope.
13:23Tell me one thing, simply.
13:26When Trump was fighting in the last election.
13:30Didn't he promise repeatedly
13:32in this election?
13:35I will just make one phone call
13:37and they will deliver Shakil Afridi.
13:39Shakil Afridi has gone.
13:41Tell me strategically
13:44whether Shakil Afridi
13:46is more important for America
13:48or Imran Khan.
13:50Millions of dollars.
13:53Millions of dollars.
13:55The donors who had to invest
13:57have invested.
13:59We will need it after two years.
14:01The money that Dr. Malik has given
14:03and Dr. Nusrat Javed.
14:05Okay.
14:06It will happen after two years.
14:09Now the letter has been written.
14:11The resolution has also been passed.
14:13Please for God's sake.
14:15It is our duty.
14:17I think that on this matter
14:20the most brilliant,
14:22the most politically savvy woman
14:24who has come out.
14:25After all, a sister has the pain of a brother.
14:28She didn't say it straight away yesterday.
14:31Is he our father?
14:32And she is right.
14:34See.
14:35Mr. Wadhi, let's take out
14:36please remind the audience.
14:37For God's sake.
14:38And she is absolutely right.
14:40And I am surprised
14:41that she is a non-political woman.
14:44She is sitting there
14:46and what she is saying.
14:48Zulfi Bukhari is so excited.
14:50Zulfi Bukhari, come on.
14:51Listen to me.
14:52Do one thing.
14:53Tell the children.
14:54For God's sake.
14:55It is my and your responsibility
14:57to educate the children.
14:58Sir, when the last time.
14:59Sir, AFFI, NITY, Affinity Partners.
15:03This is a company.
15:05It runs Kushner.
15:07Miami, Florida based.
15:10There is an investment of 2.5 billion dollars
15:14from Saudi Arabia.
15:16Or on the direct orders of MBS.
15:19Tell me.
15:21With Kushner.
15:23Which business is Zulfi Bukhari
15:25collecting?
15:26Tell me.
15:27It is a matter of link up.
15:28It is a matter of relations.
15:29How are these relations?
15:31I will tell you.
15:32At that time, the people of the government
15:34used to say.
15:35When Mr. Khan's government was there.
15:36That all of Kushner's
15:38Tana Wana was there.
15:40That Zulfi Bukhari had joined.
15:42And then you remember a picture.
15:44Now we can't show.
15:45There are so many restrictions.
15:46Because we can't show Imran Khan's picture.
15:48His picture was with Ivana Trump.
15:51Who was his first wife.
15:53Whose son is Kushner.
15:54He is from his first wife.
15:55His son-in-law is now.
15:57That he knew that family too.
15:59He had that link up too.
16:00And all these things are mixed.
16:02In childhood.
16:03Either he used to play hide and seek.
16:05See, Abbas met.
16:06Netanyahu and Kushner.
16:08They are childhood friends.
16:10Either tell me.
16:12That there is a school.
16:14About which I don't know.
16:16Please educate me.
16:17That Zulfi Bukhari, Netanyahu.
16:19And Kushner.
16:20You say.
16:21That he will not be involved at all.
16:23My opinion sir.
16:25I am telling this.
16:27Yesterday.
16:29He had a conversation with all his international leaders.
16:31His longest conversation.
16:33With three people.
16:35One is with the Israeli Prime Minister.
16:37Another with Narendra Modi.
16:39And third is MBS.
16:41Yes.
16:42Now tell me this.
16:44Bani has addressed against whom today.
16:47He knows that he did not keep me.
16:49You have read it.
16:51Despite all the restrictions.
16:53You have the courage.
16:54I am not a born coward.
16:56Okay.
16:58Where was that gentleman sitting yesterday?
17:00Okay.
17:01No, no.
17:02Where were you sitting?
17:03This meeting was scheduled six weeks ago.
17:06But four weeks back.
17:08I am not doing.
17:10Pre-scheduled meeting.
17:12Now don't you think.
17:14That during that meeting.
17:16There is such a big event.
17:18That the result of the American presidential election has come.
17:20First of all.
17:22Do you seriously believe that both of them.
17:24They were taken by surprise.
17:26I don't think so.
17:28Because they are not journalists.
17:30You are saying that on 5th November.
17:32The date was set deliberately.
17:34No, no.
17:35I am not saying this.
17:37I am saying that coincidentally.
17:39It must have happened.
17:41What I am saying is.
17:43If you and I.
17:45Were doing a four hour transmission yesterday.
17:47Right.
17:48Is it possible.
17:50That between Army Chief and MBS.
17:52When there is a conversation.
17:54It is not mentioned.
17:56It must have happened.
17:58Then I will take Mazar.
18:00Mazar has been waiting patiently.
18:02Just one question.
18:04My question is.
18:06What Khan said yesterday.
18:08I am taking this from him.
18:10This is my inference.
18:12He said.
18:14The interest of the Biden administration.
18:16Against Imran Khan.
18:18What if that interest is taken out.
18:20And there is an independent.
18:22Or less push.
18:24Neutral means disinterested.
18:26That is against you.
18:28I am talking more.
18:30If there is a push against you.
18:32Your neutral definition.
18:34Keeps changing.
18:36There is a push.
18:38And that push is taken out.
18:40First the push back.
18:42That also has a meaning.
18:44There is no use of pull back here.
18:46You will have a proactive push in.
18:48Let's take Mazar.
18:50He is saying that it will not happen.
18:52I hope it happens.
18:54Let's take a third.
18:56Independent opinion.
18:58Mazar.
19:00You.
19:02Will you give strength to.
19:04Faisal's hopes.
19:06Or will you ruin his hopes.
19:08Like Shah is doing.
19:10Look.
19:12To say that.
19:14There is no American influence.
19:16In Pakistan's domestic politics.
19:18This will be wrong.
19:20We are saying.
19:22Look.
19:24In this matter.
19:26It can be at that stage.
19:28If Mr. Khan's trial.
19:30In the military court.
19:32There may be influence in that matter.
19:34If Mr. Khan.
19:36Is going towards an extreme punishment.
19:38In these matters.
19:40American influence.
19:42In what way.
19:44American UN.
19:46Human rights bodies.
19:48American human rights bodies.
19:50Why don't you try.
19:52You will try.
19:54Donald Trump.
19:56In some way.
19:58To convince Americans.
20:00Human rights.
20:02Human rights violations.
20:04They will try everything.
20:06Mr. Khan's statement today.
20:08In that.
20:10As you said.
20:12I think.
20:14This hope.
20:16That.
20:18Maybe Donald Trump.
20:20Things will be different.
20:22And that's why.
20:24Their tone.
20:26It looks more aggressive.
20:28In comparison to the past.
20:30Sometimes it comes in the beginning.
20:32But today's statement.
20:34In that context.
20:36I am also looking at it in the same context.
20:38It looks like.
20:40It is right or wrong.
20:42But it is giving strength.
20:44Yes.
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22:36Yes.
22:38I say that, first, everyone lobbied in the PTI in America.
22:43They got a letter from 60 congressmen written to the president.
22:47Biden put it on the side table.
22:50Will they not be able to put so much pressure on Trump to activate that same letter?
22:57And in that, the President of the time, Mr. Mangre,
22:59they put Trump in that.
23:01And Trump said to Quidpro, after all,
23:02donors matter a lot there, you know.
23:05As far as the message is concerned,
23:07The question is, when Clinton got Mr. Mian removed,
23:13he himself did not say it then.
23:14He told Saudi Arabia, UAE and Qatar,
23:18to talk to Musharraf and I want him out before January 20th.
23:22Before I leave.
23:23And then in December, Mr. Mian left.
23:26Look, sir, Trump is an unpredictable man.
23:31He is the President.
23:32He can say anything at any time.
23:34You can put any question regarding Pakistan, regarding Imran Khan.
23:40And in his answer, he can say anything.
23:43But that doesn't mean that he means it.
23:47This is also a way of...
23:48You don't remember the big announcements of foreign policy,
23:51you used to do it on Twitter.
23:53Yes, that's what I'm saying.
23:55So that's why I think the PTI has been overreacted on Trump's victory.
24:02From my point of view.
24:04He will be harmed ultimately.
24:06If Trump uses his influence at some stage,
24:10then it's a good thing.
24:12When he uses it, when you get relief,
24:15if you get something at that time,
24:18that's a different thing.
24:19Today, if you distribute sweets only because of his victory,
24:24that maybe Trump will get Imran Khan released.
24:28So in this way, I don't think it will happen.
24:32And Tariq-e-Insaf should not be harmed in this way.
24:34Why, Faisal?
24:35He should use his influence.
24:38Look, Mr. Malhotra, the thing is that
24:40Tariq-e-Insaf will not be harmed in this way.
24:45Look, if there is no domestic engagement,
24:49then at some point,
24:51PTI doesn't have more important trees than Imran Khan.
24:54He is the only man.
24:55Then what will happen to the world,
24:57that we are slaves?
24:58Why is America interfering?
25:00I am a practical man.
25:02Let me make my point.
25:05PM has also done the same thing.
25:06Give respect to the vote.
25:10The thing is that PTI will not try to engage
25:16such a power, such a personality,
25:19such a person,
25:23who can do something for Imran Khan.
25:25So if they try, then...
25:27You are saying means and justify means.
25:30We will reach there by any means.
25:32There is a line,
25:33we may not like Caesar,
25:34but we all love Rome more.
25:36The thing is,
25:37either there is domestic engagement,
25:39why should the army talk?
25:41You are saying,
25:42if there is no domestic engagement,
25:44then America is involved.
25:45I am saying,
25:46at some point,
25:47there will be a loss.
25:48After the break,
25:49let's have a quick talk.
25:50After the break.
25:51I have a suggestion.
25:53Okay.
25:54Let's take a quick break.
25:55Then we will come and talk.
25:58Do ends justify means?
26:00We will talk about this after the break.
26:02Welcome back to the show.
26:04We were discussing some breaking news,
26:06which we cannot share.
26:07Before the break...
26:08I would like to make a request to you.
26:10At this age,
26:12I have no interest in
26:14unsolicited advice.
26:16Sir, you are a young man.
26:18Faisal bhai is like our children.
26:20I am his elder.
26:22Of course, I am with him.
26:24The politics that we have understood,
26:27we have learnt from his elders.
26:29I am his elder.
26:33He is a lawyer.
26:35Make a litmus test.
26:39Faisal should think about it.
26:41He has wisdom.
26:42He is a legal human being.
26:44Get him to do a writ.
26:46Tell him,
26:47he is my friend,
26:48Donald Trump.
26:49Give me permission to call him
26:51in the jail.
26:53Get permission from the High Court.
26:55Let us know
26:57whether Trump is keen
26:59to receive his phone call.
27:01Before deciding the timing,
27:03we should get ready.
27:05Zulfi should say yes
27:07from there.
27:09No, no.
27:11You are moving the process.
27:13You are damaging the process.
27:15Let me answer your question.
27:17You are damaging the process.
27:19Sir, this is the age of Twitter.
27:21So, it has been done.
27:24I have said it.
27:26I am still adamant
27:28that
27:30I think
27:32what Mr. Khan has said today
27:34he realises
27:36that it is not what he said.
27:38Let me ask from another angle.
27:40Let me ask Mr. Mazhar.
27:42Mr. Mazhar,
27:44there was a big call today
27:46and everybody has to pitch in.
27:48Doesn't it seem
27:50that we are
27:52witnessing
27:54a revival
27:56on the South Asian map
27:58just like PTI?
28:00It is a big protest
28:02in Pakistan.
28:04Washington should note
28:06and with a sympathetic President
28:08that it will have a bigger impact
28:10if 2-4 lakh people had gathered
28:12during the Biden administration.
28:14Do you think
28:16this call
28:18is linked
28:21to the change in Washington?
28:23I think
28:25there has been
28:27a lot of criticism
28:29on Mr. Terry
28:31that he makes
28:33a call once a day
28:35and then disappears.
28:37He made a protest call
28:39and then disappeared.
28:41He made a protest call
28:43and then disappeared.
28:45It is possible
28:47that he will make a call
28:50after a week
28:52or after 3-4 days.
28:54But
28:56it will be a call
28:58to go to Islamabad.
29:00My next question is
29:02what is the capacity
29:04because Fawad Chaudhry
29:06points out
29:08that until Punjab is unlocked
29:10there will be no discussion
29:12and we have not seen
29:14PTI being unlocked in Punjab.
29:16Yes.
29:18Qaibar Pakhtunkhwa is specific.
29:2070%
29:22involvement
29:24is evident
29:26from the last 3 tenures
29:28of Qaibar Pakhtunkhwa.
29:30They have the strongest base
29:32in Qaibar Pakhtunkhwa.
29:34But there is no national movement.
29:36There is no national movement.
29:38Mr. Chaudhry knows
29:40better than me
29:42that there is no national movement
29:44and
29:47we have seen in the last 15-20 years
29:49that the date is only up to the elections.
29:51They have done a long march from here
29:53and have reached Islamabad.
29:55If they reach PITI
29:57then maybe there will be a compromise
29:59in this wish.
30:01I think this is decisive for them
30:03because Mr. Khan has spoken
30:05for the second time on 9th.
30:07Earlier Ali Ameen Gandapur
30:09met him and spoke
30:11but today Mr. Khan himself spoke.
30:13This means that
30:15they will give a call on 9th
30:17even if it is
30:194-5 days later.
30:21And
30:23in that call
30:25it will be the same or
30:27there will be some other things
30:29but definitely they will want
30:31pressure to be built.
30:33And if that pressure is not built
30:35and in such a large number
30:37the people who have not been able to get out
30:39have not been able to get out
30:41and in the same way the government
30:44had spoken in the programme
30:46that because I was in Islamabad
30:48and I had spoken
30:50that in the passport office
30:52of Pakistan
30:54which was done by Tehrik-e-Insaf
30:56in London
30:58Justice Adi Faiwiza
31:00has made a complete list
31:02of those people
31:04who have Pakistani passports
31:06who are those people
31:08who have British passports
31:10and how we can block their passports
31:13and they should be successful
31:15but the entire intention of the government
31:17is that some people
31:19should be brought here
31:21it won't be that easy
31:23but they are definitely going to block their passports
31:25that their Pakistani passports
31:27should be blocked
31:29those who have only Pakistani passports
31:31it was a list of 150 people
31:33So in your opinion,
31:35the decision is that
31:37the party is fractured
31:39believe it or not, everyone knows
31:41that there is a group
31:43Ali Amin Gadabur group
31:45there is a grouping in KP
31:47they are holding Atif Khan
31:49and putting corruption notices
31:51we all know
31:53how the seats were given in the National Assembly
31:55their people will be removed from the provincial
31:57so all those fights are happening
31:59if this is a demo
32:01to show someone
32:03that a million man march
32:05will become a headline
32:07in the Washington Post
32:09Do you think your party
32:11has the capacity to do all this?
32:13Look,
32:15it is clear
32:17that the worker
32:19responds to Imran Khan's call
32:21and Imran Khan's call
32:23was responded
32:25by so many people
32:27despite the state pressure
32:29now one question
32:31Voters have their place
32:33there are no consequences
32:35of voting
32:37In Punjab, when you go out
32:39in Liberty Chowk,
32:41the police beat you up
32:43I would like to add something
32:45Like you said
32:47about the letter
32:49that the president did it
32:51and if he had come,
32:5360 senators would have written a letter
32:55Tell me, was Biden admin
32:57totally immune
32:59to the human rights violations?
33:01Is this immunity
33:03seen from there
33:05If a series starts here
33:07will it continue
33:09or will there be a reaction?
33:11This is a big question
33:13If a new admin
33:15if I talk to someone
33:17and tell them
33:19that the Noon League
33:21are deleting their tweets
33:23the foreign office
33:25would be deleting their posts
33:27against Trump
33:29because when the change comes
33:31it comes everywhere
33:33Barker is asked to make sacrifices
33:35Your two big people
33:37Hammad Azhar
33:39is also missing
33:41Murad Saeed is also missing
33:43Will all of them come?
33:45Why are they missing?
33:47We know why they are missing
33:49but will they come?
33:51People do not know
33:53Hammad showed up
33:55Ali Ameen also
33:57came here
33:59I am not able to justify
34:01Ali Ameen
34:03Do not even try
34:05If you criticize Ali
34:07who was in D-Chowk
34:09the virtual people
34:11cannot criticize him
34:13There are thousands
34:15of people here
34:17The minister of the province
34:19who was hiding in the 12 districts
34:21should not use that logic
34:23This is the logic of waiting
34:25The debate will go somewhere else
34:27Mr. Gandapur
34:29Mr. Gandapur
34:31also insults our intelligence
34:33How was Punjab locked?
34:35By force
34:37If this force
34:39goes away
34:41How will it go away?
34:43I am asking how?
34:45Will Maryam Nawaz
34:47complain to you?
34:49The weather has changed
34:51It has changed in Washington
34:53There is a lot of hope
34:55One short comment
34:57You said
34:59that Imran Khan
35:01became soft
35:03Why did he give such a harsh statement?
35:05The 20 days you spent with him
35:07who kept him in solitary
35:09with the person
35:11with whom you treated
35:13you expect him to say such things
35:15You locked him for 10 days
35:17in a 6x8 room
35:19for 14 hours
35:21He is an athlete
35:23You did not let him exercise for 21 days
35:25Look at the jail
35:27We have spent our lives in jail
35:29In the first 3 months of jail
35:31either the jail eats you
35:33or you eat the jail
35:35Imran Khan has eaten the jail
35:37Imran Khan does not want to break
35:39physically
35:41But the person with whom you did this
35:43you expect him to
35:45talk sweetly
35:47Mr. Shah
35:49There is hope in everything
35:51There is hope in Punjab
35:53How will it be unlocked?
35:55I am saying
35:57For God's sake
35:59Let's get real for a change
36:01Respected Benazir Bhutto
36:03May God forgive
36:05He came on 10th April 1986
36:07I followed him
36:09throughout
36:113 months in Punjab
36:13I followed him
36:15When he came to Lahore
36:17he did not know anyone
36:19When she was from Multan
36:21She said you don't seem to be
36:23too enthusiastic about my return
36:25Can't you see
36:27I am having big rallies
36:29I said she has been allowed
36:31She said
36:33Ahmad Khan Junejo
36:35may have some understanding
36:37on your Sindhi grid
36:39She said you know what you think
36:41I said tell me one thing
36:43In the Philippines
36:45there was the issue of Korean
36:47I said wonderful
36:49You always put
36:51obnoxious questions
36:53This was off the record
36:55Sir tell me one thing
36:57Bukla Tehreek
36:59The lawyer is still there
37:01The 26th amendment was also passed
37:03The freedom of the judiciary
37:05was also destroyed
37:07Chief Justice is another person
37:09Is he not a lawyer?
37:11Is he not a lawyer?
37:13Is he not a lawyer?
37:15For him
37:17A person is arrested
37:19A person is arrested
37:21Ahmad Khan has brought the placard
37:23He has never come
37:25He will not come
37:27I have to beg the question
37:29Where is your General Ramos?
37:31Tell me
37:33Where is your General Ramos?
37:35Tell me
37:37This is the issue of Musharraf
37:39If you talk openly
37:41I remember
37:43Our General Ramos is in jail
37:45This is a historical fact
37:47It is important to share
37:49When the campaign against Musharraf
37:51started
37:53It started
37:55When Mr. Kiani
37:57played his game
37:59He put his hand behind
38:01After that the movement changed
38:03You are asking
38:05How did the movement change?
38:07Mother you should speak
38:09Mother you should speak
38:11In 1968
38:13When the celebration
38:15of 10 years of progress
38:17was being celebrated
38:19The movement we started
38:21Later we came to know that
38:23Yahya Khan was behind it
38:25Isn't there such a thing?
38:27Yes
38:29Tell me
38:31He is making
38:33an organization of anchors
38:35He will kill you all
38:37Tell the story of religion
38:43Mazar go ahead
38:45Sir
38:47In Punjabi we say
38:49He is Pandu Lal
38:51Let me tell you
38:53When Benazir came in 1986
38:55There was a huge crowd
38:57After that
38:59In 1986
39:01They tried to revive
39:03the movement of MRD
39:05But they couldn't
39:07Benazir Bhutto
39:09When he went to Lyari
39:11In Lyari
39:13He was in tears
39:15So the movements
39:17don't build up like this
39:19The movements are
39:21with time
39:23In my point of view
39:25The biggest political movement
39:27was of 1983
39:29The movement of MRD
39:31The bullets were fired from the helicopter
39:33You remember
39:35Sir in the movement of 1983
39:37The rest of Ayub Khan's
39:39The result of Ayub Khan's movement
39:41Mashallah
39:43The result of PNA's movement
39:45Mashallah
39:47The result of 83's movement
39:49Zia-ul-Haq had to do a referendum
39:51Zia-ul-Haq had to do an election
39:53This means that the political
39:55goal that was achieved
39:57That success was only
39:59due to the movement of MRD
40:01The biggest dilemma of Tehreek-e-Insaf
40:03is that Tehreek-e-Insaf is
40:05alone in running the movement
40:07No other Jamaat is ready
40:09to run Tehreek-e-Insaf
40:11Look at Achak Zahid
40:13Where did he go?
40:15Maulana Fazlur Rehman
40:17Maulana Fazlur Rehman
40:19is not ready to make an alliance
40:21with Tehreek-e-Insaf
40:23That's why I don't think
40:25any movement in Pakistan
40:27can succeed alone
40:29Ok, this is it
40:31I want to take a break
40:33I am leaving a question
40:35What if
40:37Directly or indirectly
40:39a message comes
40:41Can the people of Islamabad
40:43deny it?
40:45If a message comes
40:47that Imran Khan
40:49should at least
40:51leave the matter of fair trial
40:53or let him go to jail
40:55or Zaman Pak
40:57or whatever
40:59Will the visible concession
41:01of the people
41:03open the door of justice?
41:05If such a message comes
41:07directly or indirectly
41:09from Washington
41:11Can the government deny it?
41:13Let's talk about this after the break
41:15Shahji, if
41:17a message comes
41:19Can the government deny it?
41:21Message to whom?
41:23To the government
41:25No, to Shahbaz Sharif or
41:27to those against whom he spoke?
41:29Let's say anyone of the two
41:31If a message comes
41:33he will not resist
41:35He will not go and ask
41:37Shahbaz Sharif will not decide
41:39If Shahbaz Sharif is quiet
41:41then he is quiet
41:43My brother
41:45It is not that easy
41:47to talk on one telephone
41:49The background of Kargil
41:51is behind Nawaz Sharif
41:53It is not like that
41:55Didn't Nawaz Sharif
41:57meet Saudis
41:59from Clinton
42:01It was 4th July, the day of independence
42:03Didn't he say
42:05if I go back
42:07they will overturn my throne
42:09He said, I give you the guarantee
42:11I will protect you
42:13Look, when was the promise made?
42:15Has Mr. Trump made
42:17such a promise?
42:19And anyway, it is a party
42:21to go to Bukhar
42:23Even if Trump has made a promise
42:25he conveniently forgets
42:27He conveniently forgets
42:29That is the purpose
42:31I have 3-4 minutes
42:33You tell me
42:35The term of the government
42:37is not secure
42:39On the other hand, the term is secure
42:41If a phone call or message comes
42:43Is it possible that
42:45the sacrifice of Islamabad
42:47is considered justified?
42:49You think
42:51if such a phone call comes
42:53it will come to the Prime Minister?
42:55It is possible
42:57It is possible
42:59You can go and ask
43:01The problem is
43:03that the relations of the Republicans
43:05are
43:07If there is a conversation
43:09about this
43:11I don't know
43:13I don't think so
43:15But even if there is
43:17What does your government matter?
43:19It will be discussed
43:21where it has to be
43:23They also know
43:25where the problem of Imran Khan is
43:27They also know
43:29where the problem of Imran Khan is
43:31Very quickly
43:33Mazhar has said
43:35that if a military trial
43:37is held
43:39then perhaps
43:41in a larger context
43:43the opening of human rights
43:45What do you think
43:47is the possibility of a military trial?
43:49The government indicates
43:51I have never said anything
43:53reasonable
43:55If they do it
43:57there will be a blowback
43:59from the international world
44:01Do you know
44:03the information minister
44:05said that the party is being banned
44:07Where did it go?
44:09You must have spoken to him
44:11What does he think?
44:13If they want to do it
44:15then they can
44:17Does he think it will happen?
44:19If they want to do it
44:21then it will happen
44:23I will quickly talk about Shahji
44:25Shahji says it is a party to be banned
44:27Think of Trump as General Bajwana
44:29In America
44:31there is a saying
44:33He is a very successful businessman
44:35Don't do this
44:37Bajwa has brought 5 people
44:39Who has brought 5 women?
44:41Think of Trump as General Bajwana
44:43He is a maverick
44:45He is too strong
44:47He is a maverick
44:49He is too strong
44:51Thank you Shahji
44:53Thank you Faisal
44:55Thank you Mazhar
44:57It is very clear
44:59No matter what happens in Washington
45:01No matter what happens
45:03One thing is important
45:05In Pakistan, Tehreek-e-Insaf
45:07Is in a position to show
45:09or run a movement
45:11And that will only happen
45:13if their internal disputes are over
45:15If their internal disputes are over
45:17Here we see Punjab vs KP
45:19KP vs KP
45:21And Lidran
45:23Their only debate is
45:25Who is closer to Khan
45:27And they are cutting each other
45:29I think as long as it is like this
45:31Leave Trump
45:33If 5-6 more meet and call
45:35Then maybe it won't work
45:37As long as they set their house in order
45:39Let's see what happens
45:41Everything has a shelf life
45:43Opportunity also has a shelf life
45:45Let's see if PTI
45:47Wastes the opportunity
45:49Or capitalizes on it
45:51Allah Hafiz