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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya, I am Muhammad Malik.
00:15Today, there is a very famous play of William Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet.
00:19There is a very famous line of that play, you all must have heard it.
00:22What is in a name? That which you call a rose by any other name, smells as sweet.
00:53He said, make a bench.
00:55The rest of the people on the bench said, our problem cannot be solved.
00:58The bench will be made, the same judges will be there, so what should be done?
01:01According to my information, a fair-saving formula has been decided.
01:05And final touches are being given to it today, as we speak, in Lahore.
01:09There is a very big cut in Lahore at the moment.
01:12In that, President Zardari, Mian Nawaz Sharif, Maulana Afudzor Rahman,
01:16Prime Minister Shahbaz Sharif Sahib and Bilawal Zardari, all of them are there.
01:22Attorney General has also gone there from Islamabad.
01:25Law Minister and the rest of the people are there.
01:27What are the final touches?
01:29First, let me share the big news with you.
01:31What has been decided, after tomorrow, is a very interesting development.
01:36It has been decided that a bench will be made.
01:39And in the Supreme Court, but how will that bench be made?
01:43And the scene is such that the court will be made within the court.
01:47It has been decided that a bench will be made, which will have all the powers
01:52that were seen for a constitutional court at the time,
01:57and was being discussed with the People's Party and the rest.
02:00And the method will be that the Judicial Commission will appoint these judges.
02:06So, the existing judges sitting in the court,
02:09five or seven judges will be selected from these judges.
02:12Their bench will be made.
02:14And it will not be decided whether to select five or seven judges from the top.
02:18So, it will not be a seniority decision.
02:21The Judicial Commission will select five or seven judges,
02:24this number will be finalized today,
02:26and their bench will be made.
02:28And the head of that bench will also be appointed by the Judicial Commission.
02:33So, technically, while these judges in other cases,
02:37or in those cases, they are subservient,
02:39or they could have been appointed by the Judicial Commission.
02:43So, now the Chief Justice of Pakistan will not have a hand in making this bench,
02:48on his own.
02:49It will be of the Judicial Commission,
02:51it will be a part of it, but without the participation of others,
02:54he will not have the power.
02:56So, the bench will be made.
02:57Technically, it will be a bench.
02:59It will have all the powers of a constitutional court.
03:02The two questions that are going to be asked today,
03:04there are two things in that,
03:06that whether the decisions of this bench will be completely finalized,
03:09or whether it can be changed by sitting in the full court or not.
03:15One is that this decision will be made,
03:17a number of judges are yet to be decided, five or seven.
03:20But, this win-win situation has been brought out.
03:24On Maulana Sahib's request, the full court was not made.
03:27On the government's request, a bench was made,
03:30but it was of their choice,
03:32and it was completely independent.
03:34The question is, will the court be able to run within the court?
03:38What will be the response of the legal community on this?
03:41What will not happen?
03:42But a solution, this is a big, what will you say,
03:45a smart solution has been found.
03:47The PTI has also announced that on the 18th,
03:50it is in full and in their communique,
03:52that there will be a strong protest,
03:54at every district level, on constitutional amendments and all these things.
03:57Yesterday, you know that sessions have been called,
04:00of the Senate as well as the National Assembly.
04:03So, by tomorrow or day after tomorrow,
04:05this draft will also be tabled in it.
04:07These big decisions will be made today.
04:09But the court within court, which I am talking to you about,
04:12that decision has not yet been made,
04:14and final touches, as we speak, are being given in Lahore at the moment.
04:17What will happen in the coming days?
04:19We will talk about this.
04:20I have been joined in the studio by Mr. Anusar Javed.
04:22Thank you very much, Mr. Mohsin Baig, for joining us.
04:25But during the program, we will talk to Mr. Kamran Murtaza and Mr. Murtaza Wahab.
04:31Both of them are in the same meeting in Lahore right now.
04:33So, we will get the latest updates from them as well,
04:35if we can talk to them.
04:37Let's start here.
04:38Mr. Murtaza, you have heard the conversation.
04:40It was a very smart move.
04:43And I, a senior member of the ruling alliance,
04:47he said that this gun was not to be used.
04:50The first thing that happened was that when we sent Mr. Mohsin Naqvi
04:53and Mr. Azam Tarar,
04:55we sent so many juniors,
04:57in the eyes of politics, they are juniors,
05:00that Mr. Malana actually felt insulted.
05:02Who sent me?
05:04It's the same thing, if the army chief wants to talk to someone,
05:06and he sends the captain,
05:08then he will say, do I have so much weight?
05:10So, this start-off was wrong.
05:12And he thought that if some heavyweight would have gone,
05:14for example, Sunaullah would have gone, Khawaja Asif would have gone,
05:16Mr. Ishaq Dar would have been there,
05:18or Mr. Zardari or Mr. Mian would have talked,
05:21so he thought that the first brick would have been hit,
05:24after that.
05:26Then, when this started,
05:28then you saw,
05:30now this is a solution,
05:32they also got their court,
05:34in the name of the bench,
05:36they also got their bench,
05:38they got their court,
05:40everyone is happy, will it work?
05:42First of all,
05:44you have decided that
05:46whatever will be the final form,
05:51when it will be presented in the Senate and the National Assembly,
05:54then it will be easily accepted.
05:57First of all, you answer me,
06:00that why are you so confident,
06:03that the government has the complete numbers?
06:05No, no, these are their claims,
06:07I am confident about the formula,
06:09that this formula was decided yesterday,
06:11this has been decided till yesterday,
06:13now they will show the numbers,
06:15they will show the numbers,
06:17what do I have to do with it?
06:19Now you tell me one thing,
06:21if they have,
06:23suppose they don't have the numbers,
06:25then it ends later,
06:27but suppose for a while,
06:29just for fun,
06:31that there are numbers,
06:33and this formula is done,
06:35then what will happen?
06:37I think,
06:39last time my dear brother,
06:42we are not getting involved in any discussion,
06:45just a few days ago,
06:47you were called,
06:49it was decided,
06:51that there are numbers,
06:53and now we are doing it,
06:55and in the end,
06:57it could not be done,
06:59and the biggest expression of not being able to do it,
07:01was from whom,
07:03the one who is doing it today.
07:05Now, that person,
07:07No, but after that,
07:09he has done it,
07:11I don't know how many times he has done it.
07:13Now the question is,
07:15will he do it again?
07:17So the first thing is,
07:19that you are not getting involved
07:21in this discussion,
07:23which I am accusing you of,
07:25that you have assumed,
07:27that the government has the numbers,
07:29and it will get this formula
07:31approved.
07:33Please allow me to say this.
07:35Now,
07:37I think,
07:39that
07:41whether it is a
07:43legal bench,
07:45or the Supreme Court,
07:47if the Supreme Court
07:49has a Chief Justice,
07:51then that Chief Justice
07:53will be there.
07:55You can put as many
07:57as you want,
07:59if and buts.
08:01But if a constitutional amendment is made,
08:03then you have cut the legs from the bottom,
08:05in one area,
08:07and that is for constitutional matters.
08:09Are they taking off
08:11184 altogether?
08:13That it will not be in the constitution?
08:15The constitutional matters will be out.
08:17If 184 will be read out,
08:19then the constitutional matters will be out.
08:21No, this is clear.
08:23I want you to do this,
08:25Mohsin Bhai should also be included in this.
08:27First, you explain one thing to me.
08:29He is not involved in making the draft.
08:31I have heard that he has been seen in 2-3 places.
08:33Yes, I have met one person.
08:35I just want to know
08:37that
08:39which person has
08:41the final authority
08:43to decide
08:45that this matter is legal
08:47and this should be done
08:49in front of the usual court.
08:51Which bench? Constitutional bench.
08:53Who will head it?
08:55This will also be made by the Judicial Commission.
08:57Who will be the head among those judges?
08:59This will be decided by the Judicial Commission.
09:01Neither the Supreme Court's Chief Justice
09:03nor the Judicial Commission will decide.
09:05The Judicial Commission will designate a bench
09:07and appoint judges.
09:09The head will be appointed in that.
09:11That is why I am saying that this court
09:13is being made within the court.
09:15It is a bench.
09:17That is why I told you about Shakespeare.
09:19Call it by any other name,
09:21it smells as sweet.
09:23This is Rose, not Rose.
09:25The formula is coming out for both.
09:27Mr. Malik, you are saying
09:29that this matter
09:31should have been decided
09:33by two parties.
09:35One is Bilawal Bhutto Guzardari
09:37and the other is Maulana Fazlur Rehman.
09:39You are minusing
09:41the people who made the food today.
09:43No, no, no.
09:45They had an input with Bilawal.
09:47Now the final touches are being made.
09:49In any case,
09:51we have the state
09:53and the state has some concerns.
09:55The interest of the state
09:57Mr. Bilawal is also watching.
09:59Even Mr. Maulana is watching.
10:01I will give you a small example.
10:03A JUI has given an amendment.
10:05Mr. Mohsin, I will come to you later.
10:07They have given an amendment in Article 243
10:09under the name of Article 243.5
10:11to add the fifth point.
10:13There were four clauses in Article 243.
10:15They said that if there is an appointment,
10:17reappointment
10:19and removal of the chief
10:21then it will be in accordance with the laws
10:23of the armed forces.
10:25But once appointed
10:27or reappointed
10:31or extension in service
10:33then those terms cannot be changed
10:35until
10:37an equal representation committee
10:39is formed
10:41with their approval.
10:43Then it will not be just a discussion
10:45of the Prime Minister.
10:47You yourself said that
10:49the amendment that is being added
10:51is intended to tease Mr. Mian.
10:53No, it is not intended to tease.
10:55You have seen twice
10:57in your tenure
10:59that once you tried to
11:01appoint Mr. Jahangir Karama
11:03and the second time
11:05you tried to remove him.
11:07This means that two big stakeholders
11:09i.e. Bilawal Bhutto Zardari
11:11and Maulana Fazlur Rahman
11:13please don't mind
11:15they think that
11:17as long as Nawaz Sharif is there
11:19he can surprise us
11:21This is a logic
11:23which only belongs to one person
11:25and not to anyone else.
11:27Do you remember when
11:29Imran Khan was there
11:31there was an uproar
11:33that General Faiz Gambler
11:35is coming and he wants to remove
11:37General Bajwa.
11:39The Prime Minister
11:41asked his lawyer
11:43whether he can be removed
11:45before time.
11:47There was a lot of disturbance
11:49Do you remember
11:51that on 11th June 1991
11:53three months before the appointment
11:55of the new Army Chief
11:57there was a notification
11:59that on 17th August
12:01it was announced
12:03that six months before
12:05it was announced
12:07that six months before
12:09it was announced
12:11that six months before
12:13it was announced
12:15that six months before
12:17One is that
12:19all the power should not be with the Prime Minister
12:21If anyone needs it
12:23in the future
12:25they should talk to us
12:27and not to the Prime Minister
12:29and the second is that
12:31the Prime Minister should not
12:33put down anyone
12:35that he has all the power
12:37but one thing is clear
12:39that all the stakeholders
12:41are not fighting with the establishment
12:43they are fighting with each other
12:45and this has happened till yesterday
12:47Do you think this will work in the long term?
12:49Will this court within court
12:51be fought tomorrow?
12:53Mr. Malik,
12:55they have made a consensus
12:57and I think
12:59they have made a consensus
13:01and I think
13:03the numbers have been completed
13:05and the other thing is
13:07that the establishment
13:09Are other important people
13:11sharing your views?
13:13No, they have shared it with us
13:15we are not important
13:17No, they are more important than us
13:19I am talking about people
13:21who are more important than us
13:23Basically,
13:25the establishment
13:27had a lot of concerns
13:29and they have addressed it
13:31I think
13:33Mr. Farooq Naseem
13:35has a lot of things
13:37and a lot of input
13:39from him
13:41and a lot of input
13:43from him
13:45Now, let's see
13:47if the final amendment
13:49gets passed
13:51and everyone gets it
13:53then we will know
13:55what are the things
13:57in that amendment
13:59This is a draft
14:01everyone has their own draft
14:03it is not necessary
14:05to include
14:07the draft
14:09So, I think
14:11National party has also said
14:13that our seats should be
14:1566 to 101
14:17census is new
14:19earlier it was 65 lakhs
14:21now it is 1.5 crores
14:23it happens from time to time
14:25it is a genuine matter
14:27you can bring it anytime
14:29but this special amendment
14:31I will tell you
14:33there will be a jet table
14:35and a lot of things
14:37and basically
14:39it will not be within court
14:41it will be a separate court
14:43and as Mr. Naseem said
14:45you are saying that
14:47it will be a constitutional court
14:49if they say
14:51to make a bench
14:53once it is made
14:55it will not break
14:57it will remain a bench
14:59I am saying
15:01it will be a court within court
15:03it will be a separate court
15:05but the Chief Justice
15:07of the Supreme Court
15:09will not be able to control
15:11or administrate
15:13it will be like this
15:15the constitutional matters
15:17will be heard by a set of judges
15:19it does not mean that
15:21the judges will not listen to
15:23other matters
15:25but the constitutional matters
15:27will be heard by a set of judges
15:29and they will do their work
15:31I will tell you
15:33if you want to separate
15:35a bench or a court
15:37it will be defined
15:39that these cases will go to
15:41the Supreme Court of Pakistan
15:43and these cases
15:45will be made clear
15:47by the Supreme Judicial Council
15:49and the lawyers will know
15:51where to go
15:53there is a broad stroke
15:55that any issue
15:57where there is an issue
15:59of interpretation of the constitution
16:01it is very clear
16:03it will be defined
16:05for example, if tomorrow
16:07a case of the military court
16:09will be held
16:11it will be a criminal case
16:13but it will have a constitutional limitation
16:15it will be a challenge
16:17so whether it will work or not
16:19that part will go to the bench
16:21the appeal of the decision
16:23will be heard by the regular Supreme Court
16:25but first the decision
16:27whether it will work or not
16:29we can also ask you
16:31because you are giving the news
16:33the question is
16:35is there a consensus
16:37on this
16:39there is a consensus
16:41I am getting something from
16:43Mohsin Bhai in India
16:45and he is talking
16:47in a very cool way
16:49he is saying that
16:51it is possible that
16:53what is finally tabled in the Senate
16:55and the National Assembly
16:57whatever you just said
16:59or at least it is very different
17:01I don't know
17:03I can ask you
17:05and you can also
17:07ask Mohsin Bhai
17:09is there a consensus
17:11that the person sitting
17:13in the court
17:15has there been a consensus
17:17on the military trial
17:19or not
17:21No, it has not happened yet
17:23because the decision has not been made
17:25you will see in the next 15-20 days
17:27that Faiz Ameed's case
17:29will be concluded
17:31and in that decision
17:33only Mr. Khan's role will be decided
17:35definitely
17:37and what is left is
17:39his trial in the military court
17:41I think it will happen
17:43and the decision of the Supreme Court
17:45which has not come yet
17:47when it becomes a constitutional court
17:49it will tell
17:51which cases
17:53can be trialed or not
17:55it is a myth
17:57it will be a constitutional court
17:59it is a legal matter
18:01there is no doubt
18:03because the Supreme Court
18:05has created a myth
18:07that you can investigate
18:09you can trial
18:11but don't give a decision
18:13so people have been in jail
18:15for a long time
18:17so I think there should be
18:19an urgency
18:21I think it is unfair
18:23to keep people in jail
18:25whoever they are
18:27secondly
18:29Mr. Malik
18:31I think the consensus
18:33they have built
18:35all political parties
18:37including PTI
18:39it is not in their favor
18:41because they are not able to
18:43have a political discussion
18:45in any way
18:47so they have implemented it
18:49the basic reason is
18:51that you let us meet
18:53and we will proceed
18:55according to the guidelines
18:57if tomorrow Mr. Maulana
18:59sits with the people
19:01with whom he is having dinner
19:03then tomorrow the situation of PTI
19:05against Mr. Maulana
19:07you listen to it
19:09and then they will come back
19:11because they can't tolerate it
19:13and they have done a very easy thing
19:15they release the trolls
19:17so now
19:19when Gauhar took back the call
19:21what was the propaganda against him
19:23so I think
19:25in both cases
19:27this court or bench should be formed
19:29and the regular cases
19:31in the supreme court
19:33appeals of criminal law
19:35or civilian natures
19:37should be separated
19:39it has become a joke
19:41those petitions come forward
19:43which are political
19:45and people have been
19:47waiting for 10 years
19:49you said joke
19:51let me ask you a joke
19:53the reforms that are happening
19:55the judicial reforms
19:57is it really for reforms
19:59or is it for some other purpose
20:01to make yourself comfortable
20:03while governing
20:05both these parties
20:07feel it
20:09the mainstream
20:11and for a change
20:13I have to say
20:15after Mr. Iftihar Chaudhary
20:17the way it was conducted
20:19especially the way Mr. Chaudhary
20:21introduced the tradition
20:23Mr. Iftihar Chaudhary
20:25because of that
20:27anyway
20:29it became very difficult to govern
20:31now the problem is
20:33in our country
20:35whether you and I like it or not
20:37as you know
20:39you have been with us
20:41in all these issues
20:43that since 1950
20:45a thing has been decided
20:47that there is a role of an institution
20:49to make and destroy governments
20:51this is not a good thing
20:53this is not a good thing
20:55for a crazy person like me
20:57but it is a fact
20:59now it used to be
21:01that when 58-2 also went
21:03then a way came out
21:05that the prime minister who has to be released
21:07you use him in the court
21:09his extreme came
21:11in the form of Mr. Sagar Nisar
21:13Mr. Pochai released him
21:15after that
21:17every supreme court
21:19I apologize
21:21to the chief justice and his
21:23associates
21:25they think that he is trying to
21:27bring the head of a minister
21:29this impression has spread
21:31and this impression
21:33even those who consider him a hero
21:35they also
21:37you will remember
21:39when the court was opened at night
21:41and after that whatever happened
21:43with the respected judges
21:45they later considered them as their own
21:47so one thing is that
21:49now that power
21:51is also feeling
21:53that yes there is instability
21:55because now they have seen that
21:57politicians are not capable of anything
21:59now they have started interfering in their area
22:01so a good
22:03convenient alliance has been formed
22:05historically speaking
22:07so the purpose of this
22:09reform is not there
22:11the reform is that
22:13they want certainty of continuity
22:15those who are sitting
22:17sir it is that things
22:19should be upset at the same time
22:21when the real power wants
22:23all these things will not work
22:25until Imran Khan is inside
22:27if Imran Khan comes out
22:29because his other cases
22:31will go to the normal court
22:33those cases are not going to the constitutional court
22:35Tosha Khanna case
22:37190 million pound case
22:39those cases will go to the
22:41technical court
22:43which the government is afraid of
22:45and if they get relief
22:47and they come out
22:49then the whole country's political equation
22:51will change
22:53Shahji
22:55it depends on the situation
22:57when on 10th April 1986
22:59respected Benazir Bhutto
23:01came to Lahore
23:03so I was sitting with him
23:05on the truck
23:07till Minar-e-Pakistan
23:09because he recognized me
23:11and he was with Lahore
23:13but on 14th August 1986
23:15there was a meeting
23:17in Minar-e-Pakistan
23:19by Mohammad Khan Junejo
23:21and he gave a call
23:23in Mochi Darwaza
23:25so four people from that party
23:27died
23:29power itself
23:31is strange
23:33I think
23:35that
23:37Tehreek-e-Insaf
23:39those people
23:41who are giving calls
23:43they have
23:45made a worker fatigued
23:47look at the people
23:49who came here
23:51we also
23:53called them
23:55on 18th
23:57so I think
23:59that
24:01at this time
24:03the worker fatigue
24:05is so much
24:07that if they
24:09consolidate
24:11and economy
24:13starts to improve
24:15then it is possible
24:17but it is also possible
24:19that in order to complete the number
24:21if they overkill
24:23then
24:25they might not have to wait
24:27for their release
24:29I want to take a break
24:31after the break
24:33let's start
24:35my question is simple
24:37such a big high profile
24:39gathering in Lahore
24:41was it possible
24:43that all 90%
24:45things would have been decided
24:47now only final touches
24:49like icing on the cake
24:51otherwise such a high profile
24:53and now all the big ones
24:55have reached
24:57so it means that the bulk is decided
24:59what is decided
25:01after the break
25:03we will talk about
25:05the second amendment
25:13welcome back to the show
25:15Mr. Beg
25:17such a big high profile
25:19it doesn't mean that
25:21the bulk has been decided
25:23just a little
25:25there is attorney general
25:27law minister
25:29Kamran Murza
25:31I have already told you
25:33that things are set
25:35they will bring the terminal
25:37because if they have to do it
25:39through judicial commission
25:41then they need 2 days
25:43if they have to make decisions
25:45before 25th
25:47then they will have to pass
25:49then he will suggest the name
25:51that this judge should be
25:53so he also needs 2 days
25:55Mr. Malik that is why
25:57on 22nd
25:59there was a joint session
26:01that is why it was moved up
26:03although 17th is too early
26:05all people went today
26:07and announced in the morning
26:09there was no fatigue
26:11nothing has changed
26:13people didn't come
26:15but let me tell you
26:17I don't think
26:19that next time
26:21they will be upset
26:23they will pass
26:25if they get upset
26:27then they have to go home
26:29you don't have the right
26:31you have put the whole nation
26:33in suspense
26:35and the junior team
26:37was also upset
26:39then they tried
26:41junior team conveyed a message
26:43that we will get you
26:45Pindi
26:47on that also
26:49Mr. Mulana had some reservations
26:51that you should have talked first
26:53then I think
26:55I am not saying anything authentic
26:57I think Mr. Mulana
26:59has met there
27:01in which a lot of things have been pacified
27:03so Mr. Mulana
27:05suddenly
27:07he is not in anyone's interest
27:09why did this addition come
27:11on 243
27:13extension
27:15or re-employment
27:17then you can't touch it
27:19the recommendations of this committee
27:21and the recommendations of this committee
27:23will go to the president
27:25and he will act on it
27:27Prime Minister is free
27:29if someone has re-employment
27:31or extension then this committee
27:33will look at it
27:35and the recommendation will go to the president
27:37so this suddenly
27:39Mr. Malik in Gujranwala
27:41Mr. Bajwa's
27:43Faiz Ameed
27:45then Mr. Bajwa's extension
27:47so I said
27:49everyone's foot in the elephant's foot
27:51you will bring all these committees from India
27:53and make people's
27:55when the time comes
27:57you will see everyone will vote
27:59so leave that committee
28:01it is only to show
28:03equal
28:05I just want to understand
28:07the purpose of their amendment
28:09Is this
28:11power
28:13to the parliament
28:15to make the prime minister powerless
28:17is this provision or
28:19to secure the term
28:21if someone has extension
28:23or re-employment
28:25are they being strengthened or
28:27will it be done by the prime minister
28:29I don't think the prime minister
28:31will be able to take this power
28:33but if this is the amendment
28:35then it will be done
28:37you won't be able to see this
28:39in the final draft
28:41you won't be able to see this
28:43what do you think
28:45I think
28:47two things
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28:51see
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28:55the person who
28:57personally invested
28:59in this amendment
29:01Bilawal
29:03not Shahbaz Sharif
29:05you must have heard a speech on this
29:07Tarar used to say
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29:31it is his dream
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29:35two things
29:37Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto
29:39his grandfather
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29:43puts a comma
29:45Bilawal Bhutto Zardari's political career
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29:49two things
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29:53sometimes the politicians
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29:57and that is the time
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30:01has to extend
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30:05I agree
30:07he is not speaking on appointment
30:09his appointment
30:11should be done by the prime minister
30:13after that if it is done
30:15then no one should act like Nawaz Sharif
30:17hmm
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36:33Now at this time you...
36:35Mr. Mulana goes with them.
36:37Where does Mr. Mulana's politics stand?
36:39Mr. Mulana told people that he is a Jewish agent.
36:42Mr. Mulana told what Henry Kissinger had said.
36:45Mr. Mulana's talks about Mr. Mulana in his gatherings,
36:50Mr. Mulana has never talked about anyone else.
36:53Let's take a break.
36:54After the break, let's try to resolve this question.
36:57What will Mr. Mulana get in the end?
36:59These things have been decided.
37:01He says he wants respect.
37:03He is giving respect.
37:04Even Mr. Mian was giving respect to the vote.
37:06He was giving respect to the vote.
37:08He is asking for himself.
37:09Let's move ahead after the break.
37:17Welcome back to the show.
37:19News is going on about Mr. Akhtar Mengal's flat.
37:21There is also a press release in the assembly.
37:23No, no.
37:24He is saying that his senator, Naseema,
37:29although she was elected as an independent,
37:31she joined his party.
37:33Her tweet says that she has been locked up in her flat along with her kid.
37:44He is also alleging that my other senator also went to Islamabad.
37:51He is talking about Mr. Mengal's tweet.
37:53Yes, and that dialysis.
37:54He is also saying that she has been locked up in her flat along with her kids.
37:59There is a little time left.
38:01If there are judicial reforms, constitutional amendments,
38:05Why are you saying reform again and again?
38:07We use the word reforms.
38:09We are bringing reforms, judicial reforms.
38:11I can't call it a reform in any way.
38:14Will there be stability?
38:16Where?
38:17In the system.
38:18Not in the system.
38:20The government will definitely have the illusion that the judge will take us out.
38:27Of course, you don't need to.
38:30Now you have to look at both sides.
38:33After that, you have to look at one shoulder.
38:35Because if these changes don't happen,
38:38and a new judge and court comes in,
38:41they can't bring reforms.
38:42As Mr. Shah said, there are no people.
38:44Then the government will constantly look behind the shoulder.
38:47If a new chief justice comes without these reforms,
38:51then it will be a tough time for the government.
38:53Actually, the group and favoritism in the judges is very wrong for our judiciary and any judiciary.
39:01Everyone knows who this judge favors and who this judge favors.
39:07One thing is that if the current government continues to work with the new court for 2-3 years,
39:18and all these cases are calmed down,
39:22because the petitions are going every day,
39:24and new decisions are being made on new petitions,
39:26which are not in the constitution,
39:28the decisions that the courts are giving.
39:30So I understand that stability will come.
39:34Your economics will improve.
39:37And this should happen.
39:39Okay, there are 2-3 minutes left.
39:41I want to comment on one more issue.
39:43And you are more than free to give me your opinion.
39:47Ms. Maryam Nawaz conducted a very sensitive press conference in Lahore.
39:52You know, for the past 2-3 days,
39:54there has been a procession of students.
39:56Today, it happened in Gujarat,
39:58in Faisalabad and in Gujarat.
40:00Allegedly, a girl was raped.
40:04Police have done investigations.
40:06And they are saying that no such incident took place seriously.
40:09And the college administration is saying the same.
40:12Family members have come and said the same.
40:14And the Chief Minister of Punjab took a very strong stance on this.
40:18And I hope that if all these things are false,
40:22then this should be made a test case.
40:24All those people who have done V-logs on this,
40:27who have spread rumors on this,
40:29one of them is a YouTuber,
40:31who said that a girl has died in the hospital.
40:34And when the action started,
40:36the same person came and said,
40:38I have heard that this has not happened.
40:40So why do you spread such things?
40:42I think there should be absolute support for this.
40:44But I have a serious objection to what Ms. Maryam said today.
40:48The objection is that for the past 1-3 days,
40:50no one has taken the names of the girls on the media.
40:53And the Chief Minister himself took their names.
40:56And now I will play a clip for you.
40:58And at the end of the clip,
41:00I would like to give my comment.
41:02Just listen to what happened.
41:28I have a lot of objection to this last sentence.
41:30It shows how much gender sensitization is needed.
41:33She said that nothing happened to that girl.
41:35That girl is still pure and clean.
41:37If, God forbid, this incident had happened,
41:39and there are many rape incidents in this country,
41:42then if a girl is raped,
41:44does that make her impure?
41:46The impure one is the one who does this work.
41:48The impure one is the one who does this disgusting act.
41:51How is the impurity of the girl related to this?
41:55And I think it is very important to give this message.
41:57The Chief Minister herself is a woman.
41:59And I do not question her intention.
42:01I hope that she will make this a test case.
42:03But, God forbid,
42:05our leaders should be very careful in these matters.
42:08And our key positions,
42:10our constitutional positions,
42:12that this should not be a doubt.
42:14Victim blaming should not be there.
42:16If the girls who have been raped,
42:19they are still as pure as they were on the first day.
42:22Rape does not make anybody impure.
42:25These are the victims.
42:27The impure ones are the ones who do this impure act.
42:29Would you like to give a quick comment, Mr. Raksha?
42:31Absolutely. Absolutely.
42:33I think you have summed it up very well.
42:35You should be very careful in the choice of words.
42:38Your focus is to keep quiet.
42:41What you were saying,
42:43two or three days later,
42:45you and I were doing a show together,
42:47that this is how people's respect was taken away.
42:49And this is how she chased it.
42:51This is my opinion.
42:53Mr. Malik, I would like to say something for the public and the students.
42:57Until the victim himself comes,
43:00or comes to the front and says,
43:02and goes to the police for interrogation,
43:05Sir, the facts will be established, right?
43:07No. Then you should agitate.
43:10Otherwise, you have done so much on hearsay.
43:13We have run out of time.
43:15I will end on this point.
43:17We want that the Chief Minister of Punjab,
43:19who has spoken with sincerity,
43:21should not leave anyone who has played a bad role in this.
43:25And people's families have been defamed.
43:27But I will end there.
43:29The concepts should be clear.
43:31Victims are not impure.
43:34Those who do are impure.
43:36Allow me. Allah Hafiz.