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00:00Who's the most important 49er now?
00:04After the data we have from Monday night
00:07No Christian portions of Brandon who a good friend told me once upon a time
00:12Niners are not Super Bowl contenders without Brandon. I you
00:16You want to walk that one back at all? No, I mean, okay. I just want to ask of course
00:21I'm not leading you anywhere
00:23I don't think that they are Super Bowl
00:25Contenders without Brandon I you and so far you you beat a Jets team at home with Brandon. I uke ish
00:31Yeah with Brandon. I yeah, no uke
00:34I mean, it was like a half of him. There was no yak cuz you have to catch it to get yak
00:39It was no you it was not Brandon. I yeah, no yak. No
00:44Look at me and you you beat me by a nose
00:48Finish Rafi and Berkeley. Hi, you're on with Willard and dibs
00:55Willard and dibs. All right. Can I can I answer can I answer your question with a question? I
01:01Sure, I would imagine. Yes
01:03All right
01:09What was Jimmy Garoppolo's record in the playoffs of the 49er
01:14boy
01:16Garoppolo's playoff record as a 49er. Was that the question?
01:20Yeah, I'll give you the answer
01:23Okay, okay good
01:26Five and two five and two what is what is Brock's record in the playoffs of the 49er four and two?
01:35Now would you call Jimmy excellent
01:41What I call Jimmy excellent Jimmy with the 49ers was really good
01:46But I guess the only way I can answer. Yeah, like the only way me at four and two, by the way
01:51I don't I don't
01:53He's five and two for his career, but that counts the New England game where he didn't play
01:57He too had to kneel downs. Give me them to give me the playoff games for Jimmy with the Niners
02:02Obviously the Super Bowl loss in the Rams Minnesota over Green Bay
02:06I remember though he threw it eight times right and then there's the Super Bowl
02:09We're fond of game then you next two years later
02:12you beat Dallas on the road you beat Green Bay on the road and then you lost to the Rams because
02:18Kowalski-tart dropped an interception many people will say I just like to Rafi you have a point
02:24But I bet even you see sort of the circumstantial nature of it. You know what I mean like
02:32They beat Green Bay because of it they beat Green Bay without an offensive touchdown
02:36Now Brock Purdy beat Dallas with only I think 19 points if I'm remembering correctly
02:41So both of them kind of won a defensive struggle
02:44You you have a point if I was making this all about his playoff record
02:50Which I'd argue I'm not
02:52How's that for a fair answer? I?
02:55Think that's a very fair answer. I think there's I think the thing about football. There's always contingency if it was
03:01An interception that was dropped a not very offensive driven game in the snow. You know what I mean
03:06It's always going to be something
03:08I mean the difference is I just looked this up and and there's a 20 a
03:1220 point difference and in their TV are if you like those kinds of things in the playoffs
03:17Rocks is almost a hundred Jimmy's is closer to 75
03:21So it's kind of how they're doing essentially the same record that kind of makes the difference
03:27But to borrow a phrase from our good friend Ray Rado when he was talking about the Warriors
03:33I think the 49ers are an ensemble team an ensemble and
03:40It's the grouping together that makes them great and I think you start pulling pieces out and
03:46Actually, you know over a season because yeah, we just won without Christian and whatever whatever but over a season
03:52I think that's when things will start to fall apart actually without any of them
03:58So I think they're all important and important because I do think again, they're this ensemble and
04:06Ensemble it makes them great
04:10Very good. Rafi. Very good. Rafi John salad. Thank you
04:14Not not only some not only is that a very very faithful listener to the station
04:19Look Rafi's right, and I don't know that anybody would disagree with that
04:23What I would say about that though is what he's saying is hard in
04:282024 in sports media to sort of like accept and wrap our head around
04:33Because that's just not the way a lot of our brains work. We don't want to do that
04:37Well, they're just an amazing team and everyone's great. It's true. Yeah, it's true
04:42And I think I said off the top of the show
04:44No one would argue the 49ers become a lesser entity with the loss of any of these people
04:51Any of them, of course there they'd be way worse without Trent or Nick or Fred
04:58and Christian and Brock and
05:01We can keep going Debo and Brandon and George all of them
05:06So like yes, but that marriage that Rafi's talking about
05:11I think is what people have a hard time with like we don't do this to any of the other marriages in our life
05:17Do you have a couple down the street where you're like gosh
05:20They just look like they're getting along all the damn time and boy the kids are well-adjusted and everybody's doing well
05:25We have a neighbor. It's clearly a system marriage. Okay? Yeah, like do you look at that and go?
05:30It's clearly the mom
05:32Or do you go sure there are those you do? Oh for sure
05:37Look at it. You go. You know what that that mom or that dad. They're doing the heavy lifting
05:43There's the lesser of the two, but do they have a great marriage probably not okay?
05:47Well, then that's not what I'm talking about
05:48I'm talking about a great marriage where you look at it and people are financially making money and they're
05:56Traveling and they're happy and the kids are well-adjusted and people are doing things together
06:01And they're sharing the work and this person's successful and so is that person you don't look at that family and be like well
06:08It's Bob Bob does that well?
06:11People that I'm looking at don't get any credit for this in every marriage
06:15There's a Kyle and there's a Brock and in this analogy
06:19Okay, Kyle is the one with the better job and contributing more to the overall marriage than Brock Brock's great partner
06:25It's interesting that you said Kyle had a better job because I'll tell you which one's about doing a better job. Okay?
06:29It's not about who has a better job. It's who is doing more for the Union to use your analogy
06:36Why can't I say even if I'll grant you that the percentage tip is in Kyle's favor?
06:45But to whatever level you all think Kyle made Brock
06:49Why can't I respond to you and say?
06:53Brock also has made portions of Kyle if Kyle's output is now better if and these are the words of Brian Hoyer
07:01Jimmy Garoppolo used to drive
07:04Kyle
07:06crazy and then Trey Lance was drafted and it couldn't even function and
07:11Now you walk out there with the expectation of well 30 points and
07:17And Super Bowl and things are like they've lost ahead with Jimmy
07:22No, they didn't they got to the Super Bowl didn't average 30 points a game true
07:28And in the NFC Championship gave me through it eight times
07:30I'll give you a statistical comparison of those two that I just unearthed coming up in just a moment
07:36You know that no no stat you're gonna give me is gonna shake me from Brock is better than Jimmy
07:41Oh, no, this is actually to confirm
07:43Okay, your belief based on the fact that they've both played six playoff games underneath the same head coach
07:49Okay, and when our last caller whose name now escapes me that was Rafi breathtaking Rafi
07:55He said five and two. Well, he's really four and two. They're both four and two in the postseason
07:59Yes, and Jimmy's thrown for in those six games
08:04962 yards and Brock
08:061343 and I'd also argue one of the losses is not fair. And you know why he didn't play in it
08:10No, but just the yards, right? So even if he finished that game, he might have another 200 yards. You're exactly your point
08:16Jimmy Garoppolo
08:1960.6% completion Brock's at sixty two point six the big one though Jimmy G
08:2440 DS six picks Brock 60 DS one pick so it's clear that
08:31Jimmy G is not as good as Brock and Brock has elevated Kyle Shanahan. I'll give you that. Yeah, and
08:38like I love what Brian has talked about like one of the keys because I don't think when I say Brian Brian Hoyer who joined
08:44us earlier Axel
08:46also known as Axel aka and
08:48a former 49er quarterback under Kyle who we both believe is very smart on this
08:54has said one of the keys to this marriage is the fact that
08:59Kyle got Brock right away, right Trey is the only comp to that because Kyle got
09:06Jimmy and Jimmy had already been in the oven for a little while and then as an offensive coordinator
09:12It's different and I'd argue most of the QB's he got had already Matt Ryan been baked for a little while
09:18I don't know about Manziel and all that stuff
09:22But you get to this point and Kyle was able to get to Brock right away and have
09:28basically Kyle's brain and
09:30Brock's body just go into the oven together and bake from the outset and
09:36that is a big part of what you're seeing which is that Brock will literally go out there and
09:43Execute what Kyle is telling him to do which I think the world goes. Well, then that's Kyle's credit
09:48I'm like, no the execution is a big part of this, right?
09:52It's not just the brain like writing it on paper and then having it happen
09:57That's where Brock comes in and that's a big piece
10:00it is but it's also the
10:02Relationship between the two because Brock had never played pro football for anyone else and Kyle was able to mold him in his image
10:09Brock embraced the teaching and he's embraced the system
10:13The system is still preeminent and dominant and the fact that Brock is a hundred percent on board for me
10:20That's credit to both of them. Absolutely. And oh, by the way
10:23Don't forget that when you watch a football game
10:26Kyle Kyle's brain comes up with a play and you love Brock's execution and I'd argue at least
10:3230 or 40 percent of the time that play doesn't go the way it was drawn up and Brock does very very well with that
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11:02Financing at the dealer. We wanted to get to this to do. I think this is great. Have you heard this now everybody?
11:08Alex Smith going on with Pat McAfee and I and I wonder how we could add this to the conversation
11:14Listen to some of this. This is Alex Smith Pat McAfee show ESPN. What makes a great QB?
11:21Everybody has an opinion on what makes a good quarterback
11:23I went around and wanted to talk to everybody right like ask Aaron what what makes a good quarterback?
11:28You're GM who you draft him?
11:29What are you looking for and I think like we've just been off base on quarterbacks, right?
11:33Like it they aren't measurables. It's nothing you can you can actually gain from the combine, right?
11:39I just don't think that stuff matters playing quarterback in the NFL
11:42There's so many things that are not quantifiable and you have to be able to like sit down with somebody find how they're like wired
11:47How they're motivated, right? You got to turn on the film and see what kind of you know instincts they have
11:53I mean what I hear him saying is that this is way more
11:57abstract then we're even able to
12:01sort of
12:02Discuss or quantify the idea of what makes a good quarterback. I
12:08Get what he's saying. I slightly disagree. Oh you do
12:11Well, I agree in principle
12:13But I disagree with the fact that it's not quantifiable because we did a whole thing last year on s2 cognition
12:19Which are the tests that they now give some athletes to figure out how quickly you perceive I'm looking at it now
12:26visual learning
12:27distraction control tracking capacity
12:30These are all
12:32Quantifiable, they're not the old-school measurables of your three-cone drill in your 40 and your bench press
12:37This is the new next level and this is where Brock Purdy really shines
12:41Do you have those numbers for a lot of QBs around the league right now?
12:44I don't share them on proprietary information
12:47But I do know based on you know, what they measure and you can think about the way you're describing Brock Purdy you use the word
12:56improvisation and that's one of the things a
12:59Decision complexity is another thing that they measure, you know, how are you able to make these decisions?
13:05Complex decisions when you got you know, 21 other people running around and seven referees. How do you make that decision?
13:12distraction control
13:13Search efficiency how quickly can you scan the field all these categories if you thought about it in terms of Brock Purdy?
13:21He even Grandy would give him an A in these categories
13:24I don't know about that
13:25Like weren't there some test measurables and I don't know if it was s2 cognition
13:29but wasn't that there was some sort of data that that CJ Stroud did not do well with and
13:35CJ is fantastic. Yes. Yeah, like I just and I don't know if it was what you're talking about right here
13:41But I I still as a fan. I have a hard time buying into
13:47Whatever the testing says because I don't know if we found a magic bullet there
13:52Where it's like if they're good on this they're good on the field and if they're not good
13:55I do think it's a combination of the physical the mental and also the perceptual and I think Brock Purdy if you wanted to rank
14:04quarterbacks in quarterback tier based on their ability to do the
14:08Intangibles he would be among the top three now Patrick Mahomes is he lead at everything. He sees it. Sure. He's athletic
14:15He's got arm talent and the rest of it Brock Purdy's arm is good enough. It's probably not a great arm
14:21It's good enough. Yeah, it's good enough his
14:23Mentals in his game. That's where he has a real separation skill
14:28I think and you know, I'm not an s2 cognition expert or a football expert
14:32But we all talk about does he see it right does the quarterback?
14:36see it and that was a big knock on Jimmy Garoppolo is as
14:40Things got tense and the pocket started collapsing you see quarterbacks mark where they're there
14:45I start to drop and you're starting to look for the safe easy throw Brock doesn't do that
14:50No, and I also think like we forget this. Okay a play gets called you get the football you're scanning the field
14:56We forget that there are somewhere between four to six trained
15:01professionals
15:02chasing you
15:03Trying to disrupt whatever's happening and that's where I also one of the reasons
15:09I'm such a big Brock Purdy fan is what you see him do both within the pocket and
15:18Outside of it when it calls for him to go there
15:21Here's Alex Smith again Pat McAfee show his assessment of Brock in the pocket the bracket pocket
15:28I think he's got the most courage in the pocket than anybody in the NFL
15:33I mean this guy stands in there and take hits and he is just like unflinching right like his
15:39His focus downfield never waivers and it's a gift to his obviously he's accurate
15:44But like I think that poise and courage is something that again like how do you quantify it and we're so caught up in size
15:50And speed and arm strength and hand size and like that like again out of that stuff
15:54I really think matters this guy can play ball and he's been playing ball at a high level for a long time and yet
15:59Again, he falls to the last pick in the draft. Like how does that happen Alex Smith with a potty mouth?
16:04Well, and that got personal because I don't know if you remember you might have been in LA at the time
16:08Big buzz around here. I remember tiny. No, no hand size
16:13Yeah, I had those little biscuits and I don't know how big his hands are
16:17But I'm a man with small hands and I know that tough for me to grip a football
16:20But that was one of the early knocks on Alex Smith every time he'd fumble small hands small hands. There you go
16:26Yeah, that's why he swore said he's the most courageous to be in the pocket in the whole league pocket courage mark
16:32yeah, and that comes from the ability to
16:35Understand that this throw that I'm want to make in 0.18 seconds if I can hold it for 0.17 seconds
16:42It probably will be open
16:43So I do think it plays off of his mental ability to know that you know in the moment if I can just wait
16:50Another fraction then I can throw it and I can complete it
16:53And so that's why he's able to hold it, you know, this might be the best one of them all
16:58Smith well, there's one more Alex. Okay, and
17:00This I'm gonna use as
17:03one of my
17:05pieces of backing with the idea of the importance of Brock Purdy and how
17:12He deserves a lot of the credit for what you see in
17:1649er football games because you'll hear people while Brock's got everything around him. It's good stuff
17:24teammates
17:25offensive line coach
17:27Defense fan base my gosh perfect scenario. He's just like a pillow inside of a case
17:35Listen to what Alex Smith has to say about this and he's a baller man
17:39I don't know how you don't turn on the film the last couple years and see what he's doing week in and week out
17:43I know it's a good situation, but there's not a quarter. There's not a good quarterback in the NFL. It's not in a good situation
17:49So I'm a huge fan of Brock's man. I think he's a huge reason why they're so good and gonna continue to be good
17:55Okay, that line to me is one that I want to keep there is not a good quarterback in the league
18:02That's not in a good situation
18:05Give me an example of a quarterback y'all think is good like that's a good player a great player
18:11He's getting things done out there and doesn't have much around him. Does that exist? Who is that?
18:18Well, those quarterbacks are normally not thought of as pretty good anymore
18:22And I think about Trevor Lawrence as a guy great example, you know, is he a good quarterback in a good situation?
18:28Well doesn't feel like it doesn't seem like they have a lot of talent around him and Doug Peterson as a coach has regressed
18:36and so that is an interesting one and the other one that I think I'm I'm fascinated by this year is Justin Herbert in
18:44LA with the Chargers because that should be a good situation
18:47But is he gonna suddenly become a guy who throws it 22 times a game because that's what Harbaugh wants
18:53I I got to get to know the situation more totally got it. You got almost a whole new receiving core
18:58You've got new running backs. You've got new offensive linemen. You've got a new coach
19:02You've got so much new and you're want to know so that's nice. It wasn't anything special statistically, but that's okay
19:09Like I I don't know enough about that yet. I also look at Atlanta like, okay
19:17All of these I was told that Atlanta is a great situation that's a quarterback away
19:22That's all that was wrong there. You got good receivers. You got a good tight end. You got all these things
19:28You got Pijan Robinson, and now you're getting a new coaching staff
19:32You've got weapons and you bring in Kirk Cousins. Is he a shell of his former self coming off injury?
19:38Maybe I don't really know but I look at that and I go
19:43Okay, you're you're you're in a good situation
19:47You should have good output output if you don't
19:51Yeah, maybe maybe the injury is still playing a really big role on what's going on with you
19:55Yeah, and to Alex's point in his comment. It is totally that a good system and a good quarterback
20:01They have to go hand in hand because Kirk Cousins carved up the Niners last year
20:06He looked pretty good before the injury and now he's in a situation that should be better
20:10But so far so bad for Atlanta Xfinity mobile text line six five. Oh says CJ Stroud last year
20:15I'd argue that's not a bad situation. We just didn't know it was a good situation
20:20But D'Amico Ryan's is a really good coach and it turns out that Nico Collins and Tank Dell and all these pups
20:27We didn't know they can play. Yeah, that was a good situation even better now
20:32And he gets a lot of credit for that. Absolutely